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March 20, 2015 at 2:54 am in reply to: OL in free agency … Barksdale, Blalock, Wisniewski, etc. #21095
znModeratorfrom off the net
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Rampage2K-
clayton on Wisniewski
Said he was looking for $5 mil per year and no one is offering him that…. Rams should offer him a 5 yr $20 mil and hope he takes it….
znModeratorSaguaro
2012 Rookie game 7 vs Washington
14:53 of the 1st, 0-0, at the Eagle 24
1st and 10: Pitch left to McCoy for 7
2nd and 3: Foles dumpoff right to McCoy for 5
1st and 10: McCoy open left flat but pass was tipped at the line, incomplete
2nd and 10: Bryce Brown run left for 9
3rd and 1: Brown stuffed at the line
4th and 1: Play fake and a good completion upfield to the TE for 15. Made it look easy.
1st and 10: McCoy run loses 2
2nd and 12: Pressure, Foles moves right, cuts left sees a relief valve, but throws too low.
3rd and 12: Pressure from both edges, Foles steps up into the pocket, hit a receiver 1 yard short
4th and 1: QB sneak is initially stuffed, Foles does a slow 360 roll around the right side
of the pile and get 3. Impressive strength, no style points whatsoever.
1st and 10: First Foles counts WA offsides, then drops in a clean pocket and releases
a beauty to Jeremy Maclin in the right corner of the endzone. Right in stride, right on time.
Philly TD.4:38 of the 1st, Ph 7-0, at the Eagle 35.
1st and 10: Foles dump over the middle to McCoy for 6.
2nd and 4: McCoy for 4
1st and 10: Foles out to the right, too high.
2nd and 10: McCoy run for 8
3rd and 2: Brown run right for 6
1st and 10: Foles rollout right hits Celek for 17. It’s great for him to have Shady and Celek
back from injury.
1st and 10: McCoy run for 3
2nd and 7: Foles drops, middle pressure gets to him, he’s slung around in a circle
then down hard.
3rd and 15: Foles drops back, gets harassed by Kerrigan, eludes him, starts to drift
right and forward, but Kerrigan persists and catches Foles from behind, forcing a fumble
recovered by WA.11:17 of the 2nd, Ph 7-3, at the Eagle 16
1st and 10: McCoy stretch right loses 1
2nd and 11: Foles rolls right, throws downfield between Maclin and Cooper, who are pointing
at defenders, no penalty.
3rd and 11: Screen is not open, Foles keeps and tries to find room to run, nothing so he slides
Punt7:31 of the 2nd, Ph 7-6, at the Eagle 22
1st and 10: Play fake, then Foles pumps once, pulls it back down and is swarmed under for a sack.
2nd and 13: McCoy run left for 1
3rd and 12: Foles drops, sees something good and lets fly hard and flat. Pass is tipped at
the line and turns into a wobbling duck picked off by none other than London Fletcher.3:30 of the 2nd, Wa 13-7, at the Eagle 20
1st and 10: Foles throws right sideline, and an unusual drop by Maclin
2nd and 10: A sideline pass left to Avant for 16.
1st and 10: Swing pass right to Shady for another 16. Led him well, and good blocking.
1st and 10: Quick screen right to Johnson for another 14.
1st and 10: Foles drops, pressure comes from both edges, but he steps up into the
pocket and finds Maclin open underneath for another 12.
1st and 10: Pass to Avant in the flat for 6. Foles and co. on a roll.
2nd and 4: Celek false starts.
2nd and 9: Maclin screen right for 4.
3rd and 5: Hits Avant open at the marker on a quick move across the middle.
1st and 10: Foles drops, waits, sees nothing, shambles in the pocket for a moment,
then starts an awkward run. No matter, holding penalty on the oline.
1st and 20: The Eagles run this play again where Foles fakes a pass one way,
then whirls and throws the other way. It isn’t successful enough often enough
to be worth it. This time Cofield is all over him as he makes his turn and he
barely gets it off to the running back, who gains all of two.
2nd and 18: Gets pressure and throws it deliberately at the outlet receiver’s feet.
It looked like he gave up just a little early on that play, but he’s trying not to
take a loss out of FG range.
3rd and 18: Deep throw to the right corner of the endzone to Cooper, caught but only one
foot in bounds. The throw was high and outside, but with two defenders there it had to
be that way.
FgHalf
2nd half start, the Eagle defense is soft as butter, and allows and easy TD drive.
12:33 of the 3rd, Wa 20-10, at the Eagle 20.
1st and 10: Foles starts to throw a swing pass right to McCoy, sees that the defense
is ready and has it covered so he pulls it down, steps out of the pocket right,
then stops and stabs it out to Maclin for 27. Excellent recovery and vision on that play!
1st and 10: Foles hits Cooper on a crossing route for another 16.
1st and 10: Maclin open for the pass on a little sitdown for 5.
2nd and 5: They remembered the run! McCoy right for 5.
1st and 10: Foles drops, then has to run up the middle for 1.
2nd and 9: Untouched blitzer is on Foles before he can blink, sack.
3rd and 16: Again with the fake 180 pass, it’s getting dangerous because Wa is all
over it by the time it develops. Foles is being tackled as he turns, but uses his
height and arm length to get it off to Celek. The timing is disrupted and Celek gets
nowhere near the 1st down marker.
FG6:02 of the 3rd, Wa 20-13, at the Eagle 45.
1st and 10: Draw to McCoy is swallowed up in the backfield, loss of 4.
2nd and 14: Low, hard pass to a covered Avant is incomplete.
3rd and 14: Foles hits Avant over the middle for 12
4th and 2: Foles drops, receiver not open, tries to escape up the middle,
and goes down on a shoestring sack.1:23 of the 3rd, Wa 27-13, at the Eagle 21. Starting to slip away.
1st and 10: McCoy run for 6.
2nd and 4: McCoy for another 6.
1st and 10: Impromptu shovel pass to McCoy with Kerrigan draped on Foles. Gain of 3.
2nd and 7: Roll right and throw 20 yards down the sideline to Cooper, just out of bounds.
3rd and 7: Foles under pressure misfires to the checkdown, incomplete.
Punt11:27 of the 4th, Wa 27-13, at the Eagle 39.
1st and 10: Washington is having some success with a delayed blitz. Forces incomplete pass.
2nd and 10: Brown run for 2.
3rd and 8: Foles drops, has a free rusher right in his face, throws a strike as he’s hit
to Johnson for 15. Courage. Skins have too many guys coming at him unblocked.
1st and 10: Now the underneath stuff is being given by Washington to eat clock.
Foles to an open Avant for 10.
1st and 10: Dumpoff to McCoy for 20.
1st and 10: Lewis on a draw for 20 and a TD.4:15 of the 4th, Wa 27-20, at the Eagle 15. Clutch time.
1st and 10: Quick screen to Johnson for 3.
2nd and 7: Foles under pressure but shows nifty lateral movement, buys a ton of time
moving first right, then left, always looking downfield, and then finds Maclin for about 20.
1st and 10: Pass left flat to Avant for 5.
2nd and 5: Draw to McCoy for 4
3rd and 1: McCoy should have been dropped for a loss, but uses quickness and moves to get 7.
1st and 10: Foles quick pass over the middle for 6.
2nd and 4: Short wheel route to McCoy for about 8 and a 1st down.
1st and 10: Pump fake deep, then a 2 yard pass to McCoy.
2nd and 8: Slant right to Avant for 4.
3rd and 6: Foles pump fakes, sees a little grass to his right, runs across the marker and slides.
1st and 10: Underneath pass to McCoy for 8, but time is running out, 28 secs.
2nd and 2: Foles rockets the pass high and deliberate out of the endzone.
3rd and 2: Maclin was wide open in the endzone. Foles underthrows him by 5 yards. Ouch.
4th and 2: Underneath to McCoy again and he runs it out of bounds at the Wa 5. 11 seconds.
1st and G: Slant hard and low to Celek but catchable, he drops it at the goal line.
2nd and G, 8 secs: Pressure, but Foles spends too much time scrambling before throwing it
under duress, incomplete. Uh, oh, the ball didn’t get back to the LOS, intentional grounding,
10 second runoff, game over.32/48 345 1 TD 1 Int
Not a particularly inspiring game despite the near comeback at the end. Eagles may have been
playing out the string a little at this point, or at least their defense was. They also
abandoned the run way too early, then went back to it late. Foles was under a lot of pressure,
but ran hot and cold with his accuracy and decision-making.
This was his last rookie game, his hand was broken in the 2nd Q of this game.
Tough kid and may have affected his throws thereafter.Foles showed enough as a rookie to be very intriguing. Next I’ll start looking at his
amazing string of games in 2013. I’m eager to see if it was talent, team, or luck.
Or some combination.
znModeratorWell, I get why JT is pissed, and I think it was an unwise thing of Fisher to do, but I also don’t think JT is ENTITLED to know everything. Nice guy, or not. He’s a reporter, an outsider.
I see. So. What you’re saying is…time for a board war.
Okay.
Like they say in Young Frankenstein–a board war is an ugly thing, but I think it’s just about time we had one.

znModeratori would also look into trading down and drafting todd gurley. i think he’d be a nice combo with tre mason. i like melvin gordon too. need a dominating running game.
Yeah. RB. I think so too.
znModeratorI got one, but… I… do you mean it?
Do you really think I’m pretty?Well I had to lie. I’m trading you.
Yeah, JT already told me.
RamsWrath and a 2nd.
Good luck with that.He posted well in 2013.
PS did you get your cake?
znModerators wv mentions above, Fisher may think that JT broke confidence sometime in the past
Yeah it could be something more personal like that.
Will we ever know the truth?
Well…there’s a reporter involved.
So…no.

znModeratorI got one, but… I… do you mean it?
Do you really think I’m pretty?Well I had to lie. I’m trading you.
Yeah, JT already told me.
RamsWrath and a 2nd.
Good luck with that.He posted well in 2013.
znModeratorExcept your message still shows as unread, and my response isn’t there in my box. So did you get my response?
Yes I got it.
And no I don’t want to pay for vegetables you grew yourself and are ready to ship cross country. Thanks though.
Anyway there’s a delay in PMs…fwiw.
znModeratorI got one, but… I… do you mean it?
Do you really think I’m pretty?Well I had to lie. I’m trading you.
znModeratorMaybe Philadelphia wanted to keep it quiet, too. The last thing GMs want is the media and fans all going berserk with their trade scenarios.
Then, like many times in the past, you ask JT to keep it quiet for the time being. Like he does on a different front in the chat above.
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Jim has anyone tried to get a comment from Chip or Lucia about the move? They always supported St. Louis? What are they thinking?
JT: I did talk to Chip on this a couple of weeks ago. But he didn’t want to talk on the record _ i.e., for a story _ so I’ll leave it at that.
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That aside I have been trying to contact you: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/zooey/
March 19, 2015 at 7:16 pm in reply to: Wisenhunt wants Rivers? SD wants Mariota? & other trade rumors #21056
znModeratorThere will be trades: 5 teams poised to draft Marcus Mariota at No. 2
By Jason LaCanfora
March 19, 2015
As teams transition from free-agency mode and begin focusing more organizational means on the upcoming NFL Draft. That’s because the veterans have been picked through and weeded out, and by and large, most teams will wait until June to sign guys to prove-it contracts that don’t count against the league’s equation for compensatory picks.
And the more the draft comes into play and the more quarterback-needy teams study the available talent, the more I become convinced that Marcus Mariota is going second overall. I remain in the camp that says this isn’t a Tampa smokescreen – the Bucs brass is increasingly sold on Jameis Winston with the first-overall pick – and while Mariota’s Pro Day was far from convincing and several teams still harbor doubts about how pro-ready he is, the old rules of supply and demand will apply.
It’s a two quarterback draft and a good quarter of the league is at least uncertain about its present and/or future at this position. Mariota has more than enough supporters among NFL coaches and decisions makers to end up going with the second pick, whether to the Titans, who the pick, or another team via trade.
Some who know Tennessee coach Ken Whisenhunt well figure in the end, barring him being blown out of the water with a trade offer, he goes ahead and drafts the kid. “If there are three or four teams trying to trade up for him, then there’s going to be a lot of pressure on Ken to take him if they keep the pick,” as one source put it.
Even if Mariota has some questions in terms of meshing with the Titans offense and even if he’s not the prototypical fit for Whisenhunt’s scheme, fear of passing on a possible quarterback may force the team’s hand. This even after the organization swung and missed big time on Jake Locker (albeit before Whisenhunt’s arrival), which is why there are several NFL execs who believe this plays out like the 2012 draft, with quarterbacks going first and second overall.
Consider me a bit of skeptic, not that Winston and Mariota go first and second, but that Mariota goes to the Titans. That is the worst roster in the NFL in my estimation, there are holes all over the place, and Whisenhunt is sufficiently intrigued that he has a diamond in the rough in Zach Mettenberger. So in the end, the trade interest just might be enough to sway the Titans to trade out of the pick and load up on a bunch of assets, and maybe even land a veteran quarterback who can help them in the present in the process.
Winston, Mariota will likely go in the first two picks of the draft. Winston, Mariota will likely go in the first two picks of the draft. (USATSI)
Mariota is already on the NFL circuit, working out for teams, going to dinners with owners, being grilled by coaches. And he will shine in these circumstances. He is a tremendous kid with impeccable character and he is immediately impressive simply by being himself. He’s not a phony and there is no Eddie Haskell going on here. He’s a quarterback who seems almost too good to be true in terms of all the intangibles you could ever desire. His stock will only continue to rise in the highest reaches of organizations, even if concerns about his start-a-bility from Day 1 linger.
Teams that like him will continue to find reasons to like him as the draft approaches. And with none other than Chip Kelly – offensive genius, quarterback-guru, roster-building iconoclast – his former coach at Oregon, showering the kid in compliments and exultations (which he will continue to do before the national media at the NFL owner’s meetings next week I’m sure), and several teams at least intrigued by the prospect of trading up for him, I can definitely see someone going all-in to land him. Perhaps even sooner rather than later.
So, who would make sense to at least mull over trading a few commodities to cash in on Mariota at second overall, a player of fixed costs the next five years – only $5 million a year –and who won’t embarrass the franchise or find the big stage un-manageable? Well, plenty of teams besides just the Titans sitting at second overall.
Washington would have to consider him at fifth overall, and the Jets, from what I’m hearing, would far prefer to trade out of the sixth pick rather than take a quarterback there, but the reality is someone else will have likely already taken both passers off the board well before they pick. So they aren’t moving up as best I can tell. And the Bears at seventh could make a case for it as well, but being locked into Jay Cutler for another $32 million, man, you risk him going totally off the ledge if you draft his replacement now. But others just might dive in so let’s take a look.
5 teams that could be in on Mariota
St. Louis Rams: Picking 10th overall would require them making a move, but they should keep an open mind. Would Nick Foles do anything for Whisenhunt? Getting out from Sam Bradford’s contract was huge, in an of itself, but Foles and Mariota would give them insurance and an interesting coupling to perhaps take to Los Angeles in 2016. This team is a stable quarterback away from making a power move, they have pulled off huge draft-day trades before (RGIII deal with Washington; moving up for Tavon Austin) and they thought long and hard above moving into the back end of the first round for Johnny Manziel a year ago.
Cleveland Browns: They are picking No. 12 and clearly needy for a quarterback and a stable citizen at the helm. Josh McCown is a great caretaker but he’s not the future. And Johnny Manziel had about as much of a lost rookie season as one could imagine. His future is already in doubt. The Browns have been peddling their 19th overall pick for Bradford – in both St. Louis and now Philadelphia – and owner Jimmy Haslam has been very intrigued by Mariota for quite some time. And make no mistake, his fingerprints were all over the Manziel selection. You can’t rule the Browns out by any stretch here, with the draft picks and willingness to do it. Haslam likes splash moves.
New Orleans Saints: Picking 13th overall, and 31st overall, and with Drew Brees in what could be his last season in New Orleans and with Sean Payton remaking the team on the fly and making some shocking moves already (the Jimmy Graham trade, for one), getting a quarterback who looks like a tremendous scheme fit at a cheap price might be just want he needs.
Payton has accumulated a bunch of picks already this offseason – he has two third-round picks as well, for instance – and even dealing a few to move up for Mariota would leave him with a decent haul to address other positions. Throw in the fact he’s shown a willingness to shop pretty much anyone on his roster, and the fact that maybe, gulp, someone out there wants to get their hands on Brees, you have to look at New Orleans as a team positioned to continue making bold moves ahead of the draft and during it.
San Diego Chargers: Picking 17th overall, and with franchise quarterback Philip Rivers not interested in a contract extension this offseason (his deal expires after the 2015 season) and the team perhaps willing to move him in the right deal, Mariota would make a lot of sense. It could be they don’t even have to add a pick along with Rivers, and maybe they get something back even. Who knows? Whisenhunt knows Rivers well and worked with him in the past and loves him. Rivers, a Southern boy still at heart, might find raising his brood in Nashville right up his alley if LA isn’t his thing. The Chargers could be moving to LA as well, and having a bright young quarterback who played college ball in the Pac-12 makes sense to say nothing of the cap and cash savings they would gain by moving Rivers. Hard to think of Rivers not under center in San Diego, but crazier things have happened already this offseason.
Philadelphia Eagles: Picking 20th overall would require a significant move, but perhaps Bradford interests the Titans, or someone else. Kelly could always convert Bradford into another first-round pick that could then help sweeten the pot to go get Mariota. Despite his statements about not mortgaging the future to get Mariota, Kelly will do whatever he feels he has to do, whenever he wants to do it, and consequences and public opinion be damned. He believes strongly in Mariota and if there is a trade he believes makes sense I don’t see anything stopping him from doing it (certainly not his own home-spun rhetoric from a press conference).
Of course, having potentially all of this competition in the trade market won’t help, and his own high opinion of Kelly might work against him, but I don’t buy for a second he wouldn’t consider flipping Bradford, coming off successive ACL tears, in a deal to get Mariota. Hell, I’m kind of pumped for the prospects of a rare-three team deal in which Kelly ends up with yet another Duck.
Final thoughts
Seems to me there’s at least ample potential for something to get done. And with all of that swirling around the next six weeks, I have a hard time seeing Mariota doing something that results in him not going in the top two. Maybe he has weak workouts for teams, I suppose. But even then I’ve spoken to enough veteran evaluators who like the kid and could see a quarterback-needy team moving up even it is possibly over-drafting him not to consider it a highly viable option.
It could even be that it comes together well before the draft. The Rams and Redskins pulled off the RGIII deal on March 9, and with all 32 teams having their contingents in Arizona this weekend through Wednesday for the annual NFL spring meeting, there will be no shortage of interaction and communication between parties. If the desire for moving up for Mariota is as robust as I expect, it might be wise for someone to secure that pick sooner rather than later. In what has already become the Year of the Trade in the NFL, there just might be a blockbuster or two still to come, and not just with Adrian Peterson in mind.
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znModeratorI know. You guys all know this.
No I (for one) like to hear it articulated. I mean we know you watched games on review, and you have an eye for line play. Hearing about it is a lot of fun. I’m sure it’s not just me either.
March 19, 2015 at 4:16 pm in reply to: Peter King, Don Banks — on the downsides of free agency #21044
znModeratorAs bust rate rises, NFL free agency carries more risk than ever
by Don Banks
This can’t be the way the NFL envisioned it back in 1994, when the league first began awarding teams compensatory draft picks in relation to their free-agent losses from the year before. The Bengals are slated to receive either a third- or fourth-round pick this year for losing pass-rusher Michael Johnson to Tampa Bay during 2014 free agency, and yet they’ve already re-signed Johnson after his disappointing one-year tenure with the Bucs, who cut him this month.
You could make the case that Cincinnati inadvertently gamed the system, in essence loaning Johnson to Tampa Bay for one underwhelming season and then getting the player back with an extra draft pick for its trouble. That’s earning a pretty sweet interest rate on your money if you’re the Bengals, who last season proved they can make the playoffs and lose in the first round with or without Johnson. It raises the interesting question of whether the league should give a team the extra draft choice in the first place if it manages to reacquire the player before it gets to spend the pick.
Cute coincidence or not, Johnson’s boomerang trajectory highlights something of a recent trend in NFL: the propensity of early flameouts in free agency, with so many teams willing to cut their losses and move on from players who were hailed as major acquisitions not long before.
Roughly 10 days into this year’s free agency shopping season, winner labels have been affixed to the Jets, Bills, Dolphins, Eagles, Colts and a few select other clubs. And yet as Tampa Bay showed this spring in cutting loose three of the main cogs of what was once considered a strong 2014 free agency class—Johnson, offensive tackle Anthony Collins (another ex-Bengal) and quarterback Josh McCown—the picture can change dramatically almost overnight, and the notion of success in free agency is fleeting. The Bucs lured those three free agents with deals that reportedly totaled $83.75 million, with Johnson alone collecting $16 million from the Bucs for his one injury-plagued season.
Not only did the Bucs not get better after their spending spree of last spring, they bottomed out in spectacular fashion, going 2-14 to earn the first overall pick in the draft for the first time since 1987.
But the Bucs aren’t the only team swallowing hard and admitting their recent mistakes, feeding into free agency’s flameout factor. How about the interesting little cautionary tale that Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings represent? Both accomplished veterans hit the jackpot with sizable deals befitting No. 1 receivers two years ago in free agency, with Wallace jumping from Pittsburgh to Miami and Jennings from Green Bay to Minnesota, where they were supposed to use their successful postseason experience to help elevate the Dolphins and Vikings to perennial playoff contention.
Not so much. Neither man played on a winning team once, and saviors they were not. Jennings struck the wrong tone from the start of his Vikings tenure with pettiness and bad blood toward his former quarterback in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers. His lack of a difference-making connection with any of the four starting quarterbacks the Vikings used the past two years limited his effectiveness to 127 catches for 1,546 yards and 10 touchdowns.
Jennings signed a five-year, $45 million deal with Minnesota in 2013, shortly after Wallace spurned a larger Vikings offer to sign a five-year, $60 million contract with the Dolphins. In many ways, Wallace’s time in Miami was even worse than Jennings’s stay in Minnesota, even though he had decent production with 140 receptions for 1,792 yards and 15 touchdowns as a Dolphin.
Wallace never seemed entirely on the same page with young Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill, and late last season he argued with Miami coach Joe Philbin, ultimately either quitting on his team or being benched for his poor attitude in the second half of the season finale. The Dolphins put him on the trading block this offseason and could only get a fifth-round pick in return for the receiver who was supposed to be a game-changer for the Dolphins.
Wallace landed, of course, in Minnesota, the team that coveted him when he was on the market in 2013. And less than 24 hours after the Vikings acquired him, they released Jennings, in effect replacing him with a receiver three years younger who hopefully learned something from his tumultuous tenure in Miami.
Cashing in during free agency used to buy you some time with a new club, because patience was thought to be necessary in order to get a sufficient return on what was usually a sizable investment. But many NFL general managers and decision-makers today seem much more willing to make quicker, bolder moves to cut ties with a player who has not produced, big-ticket free-agent investment or not. Get it done early, or get lost.
This year, Jacksonville released defensive lineman Red Bryant a year into the four-year, $19 million deal it gave him, having already addressed their defensive line needs by signing ex-Dolphins defensive lineman Jared Odrick and re-signing end Tyson Alualu early in free agency.
The Lions parted ways with running back Reggie Bush on the heels of his injury-shortened 2014 campaign, a disappointing follow-up to his strong first season in Detroit. Bush was only halfway through a four-year, $16 million contract he signed in 2013, but the Lions didn’t think he was worth a $5.27 million cap hit in 2015 after rushing for only 550 yards last year.
And the quick exits aren’t just free agent busts. The 49ers traded a conditional fourth-round pick in the 2015 draft for Bills receiver Stevie Johnson last May, then saw him post an underwhelming season for his hometown team (35 catches for 435 yards and three touchdowns). Rather than ride it out, San Francisco cut Johnson this month in a salary cap move, shortly after signing ex-Ravens receiver Torrey Smith in free agency.
Two teams gave up on dangerous receiver-return man Percy Harvin in the span of about five months. Seattle acknowledged he was a bad fit and shipped him to the Jets in a surprise trade last October, and New York released him this month, just days after acquiring receiver Brandon Marshall through a trade with the Bears. Harvin ultimately signed with the Bills, his fourth NFL team since March 2013. Marshall is himself now on his fourth NFL team, continuing a vagabond-like career that has seen him spend three years in Chicago, two in Miami and four in Denver.
By comparison, clubs and free agents who struck one-year deals last season fared far better and got instant production, with headline names like Darrelle Revis (the second year of his contract with New England was never realistically going to be honored), Brandon Browner, Antonio Cromartie and Owen Daniels all paying off handsomely as short-term answers. All four of those players have re-located again this offseason, improving upon their 2014 salaries in the process.
But the latest lesson of free agency is if you think you’ve arrived, you’re probably already on your way out. With the big deal and big dollars comes the temptation to rest on one’s laurels. But beware: The journey from being seen as part of the answer to part of the problem is a short one in today’s NFL.[
March 19, 2015 at 4:05 pm in reply to: OL in free agency … Barksdale, Blalock, Wisniewski, etc. #21043
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March 19, 2015 at 4:00 pm in reply to: Report: Titans agree to two-year deal with tackle Byron Stingily #21041
znModeratorMaybe they have given up on Barksdale. On the other hand, where is his new wife from? Does she have relatives in any other NFL city. 😉
RamBill echoes yer sentiments there…from off the net
The Titans were a team that was reportedly interested in Barksdale. This signing might mean they are no longer interested. They might still be going after Barksdale because he’s a better player than Stingily, but the article suggests they may now look to the draft for another OT. Good news for the Rams if they are out of the running for Barksdale.
znModeratorThey did NOT want the story to leak. They considered a leak of that story to be an unacceptable risk. Of what, we don’t know.
Also, maybe they just don’t care because at this time next year, JT will be covering high school football.
Yet, the story had already leaked. From the Bradford camp, we know that they were hearing about trade talk during the combine. We do know that Kelly talked to Bradford’s OU coaches…chances are very likley that got back to him. In fact one reason Bradford refused a paycut, according to his side, is because they thought it was just a way to make him more tradeable. Regardless of that detail, if the agent is hearing that kind of thing, chances are, he conveys it to Thomas.
So the trade wasn’t a secret. In fact–there was no reason to keep it secret.
Nevertheless, it goes like this. Thomas hears things from Bradford’s agent, and possibly other sources. So he directly asks Fisher one on one.
Fisher has any number of options there short of direct revelation. He could say, please keep this to yourself for the time being, but, we’re keeping our options open.
But instead, on the strength of Fisher’s denial, Thomas goes public hours before the trade and says “I was told directly by the best source that there’s nothing to this.” Then, wham, the trade happens, and the result of going public is, some people are laughing at JT and calling him a dupe and saying he’s not credible.
Meanwhile, JT says, no coach ever lied to me under those conditions before. And we have seen JT say yeah I talked to them, but I have to keep it to myself. If no coach ever lied to him, given his reaction to this, that includes Fisher–otherwise, JT would have said long before this “no one ever lied to me before except Fisher.” Yet what are the odds JT never asked a question like this before?
That means there’s a protocol they have that has been in place for a long time. JT asks, they don’t lie, though we also know from the past that JT DOES sometimes say in effect “I am not at liberty to discuss it.”
Fisher must know that JT had heard things about the trade. JT was basically saying, I will put this story to rest on the basis of your word. Fisher would also know that coming out with an official denial would make JT look bad after the trade.
I usually don’t take the PD’s side against the team. For example, I thought the entire “equipment manager scandal” thing was absurd.
But I cannot help but think Fisher comes across as a prick on this one.
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znModerator<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Cool, tx RM</span>
Does it work with blue font?
No.
Okay cool, then I use alternative approaches.
Cool, tx RM
znModeratorAnonymous wrote:
RamsMaineiac wrote:
I just updated the bbpress plugin… did it fix the issue you were trying to address here?Yes. Looks like it.

March 19, 2015 at 12:06 am in reply to: Jed York: 49ers got away from “core strengths” under Harbaugh #20976
znModeratorAnd they should get to know their teammates. And, of course, get to know the locker room.
Because that is what it’s about.

I think it’s important for me to be who I am. I think I’m sarcastic, and that’s okay. I’ve been getting away from that, from my core beliefs. I’ve been trying to do too much, I think. And I really believe that if I can just be the best me I can be, that’s what it’s all about. That just makes me a better poster. So I think it’s good that I’m starting over fresh at being me.
Oh I am not criticizing you know…more like playing along/celebrating.
Said zn, earnestly.

znModerator19 million over how many years? Or are you saying per year?
Yeah as people pointed out, I was saying per year.
I break it down this way.
First, this is not just “a qb contract” we’re discussing, it’s what starters get in their 2nd contracts. The distinction is important. That eliminates a lot of guys right away–the rookies and anyone past their 2nd contract.
I also look at recent contracts. Because that tells you where the average is going. It goes up. Rivers for example signed his 2nd contract earlier…he got less.
So far, the 2nd contracts of interest begin with guys drafted in 2008. That’s Ryan, Flacco, Kaepernick, Stafford, Dalton. All 5 totaled = appx 93.4, divided by 5 = appx. 18.7. I figure Wilson will raise the avg. to 19 M or more so close enough. Some get more (Flacco), some get less (Dalton) but it will be around the market avg.
The people JUST below that signed earlier than the 2008 class did, or it’s a vet like Brady (whose avg. is deceptive cause every penny of his contract is guaranteed. That’s essentially trading real money for the appearance of more.)
The next tier down, subtracting the rookies, it’s guys like Hoyer, Schaub, and Cassel.
Objections to breaking it down that way & a response:max
Flacco and Kaepernick get less without their SBs. It’s wrong to include them in your averages if you’re trying to determine what Foles will fetch if he has a solid year but the Rams don’t make the playoffs.
Well, I deliberately keep saying more or less, or around, or give or take, and so on, so I didn’t say it was a direct, straight-up 19 M per player.
As for CK, his is a very incentive laden deal that is not built on complete faith in him…it has elements of a prove-it deal. It’s not really the same as Flacco’s.
Ryan meanwhile got 20+. Ryan has more than Flacco. Dalton was in the playoffs and got less than Ryan too.
So there are situational variations but I thought I was accounting for that. I think it’s safe to say a 19 AVG. — stress on average.
Though Wilson is about to raise the avg. IMO.
So a starting qb up for contract 2 ought to be getting avg. 19 M, give or take…if you want to be specific, anywhere from 17-21 M, depending.
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znModerator19 million over how many years? Or are you saying per year?
Yeah as people pointed out, I was saying per year.
I break it down this way.
First, this is not just “a qb contract” we’re discussing, it’s what starters get in their 2nd contracts. The distinction is important. That eliminates a lot of guys right away–the rookies and anyone past their 2nd contract.
I also look at recent contracts. Because that tells you where the average is going. It goes up. Rivers for example signed his 2nd contract earlier…he got less.
So far, the 2nd contracts of interest begin with guys drafted in 2008. That’s Ryan, Flacco, Kaepernick, Stafford, Dalton. All 5 totaled = appx 93.4, divided by 5 = appx. 18.7. I figure Wilson will raise the avg. to 19 M or more so close enough. Some get more (Flacco), some get less (Dalton) but it will be around the market avg.
The people JUST below that signed earlier than the 2008 class did, or it’s a vet like Brady (whose avg. is deceptive cause every penny of his contract is guaranteed. That’s essentially trading real money for the appearance of more.)
The next tier down, subtracting the rookies, it’s guys like Hoyer, Schaub, and Cassel.
March 18, 2015 at 11:49 pm in reply to: reporters on the trade (Wagoner, Thomas, Clayton, King, & many more) #20957
znModeratorRams Made Right Decision with Bradford, Even if He Succeeds with Eagles
By Anthony Stalter
Hop into the DeLorean… we’re taking a trip into the future.
It’s January, 2016 and the regular season in the NFL has just concluded. The playoffs are about to start and there’s Sam Bradford, preparing to lead the Eagles to their second wild card appearance in the past three years. The Rams, meanwhile, missed the postseason after Nick Foles helped engineer a .500 season.
It would be a nightmare scenario for Rams fans to finally watch Bradford put together a winning season and lead his team to the playoffs, yet in a completely different city. And while some hate to admit it, that scenario is entirely possible. Chip Kelly’s system is as quarterback-friendly as they come, and plays to Bradford’s strengths as a signal-caller. Just like at Oklahoma, he’ll have the ability to make quick reads and get the ball out of his hand quickly, or turn around and hand off to a talented running back in DeMarco Murray.
But even if that nightmare were to become a reality, the Rams still made the right decision in trading Bradford. First and foremost, none of us have the benefit of hindsight when it comes to making difficult decisions. If we did, the definition of “risk” would be useless. In that snapshot in time, the Rams made a decision to unburden themselves of Bradford’s contract and injury history, all while acquiring a capable starter in Foles and a second-round pick in 2016. It was the right decision at the time, just as it will be the right decision a year from now even if Bradford soars (sorry for the pun) and Foles fails (sorry for the alliteration).
Even if Bradford does soar (last time, I promise), there was no guarantee that he was going to post similar production in this city, with this Rams team, under this coaching staff. In order to have success, he may have needed a different environment under a completely different coaching staff. His 2015 season in Philadelphia and his hypothetical 2015 season in St. Louis aren’t mutually exclusive. Just because he’s able to stay healthy and productive with the Eagles doesn’t mean he would have done so in St. Louis.
And what if Bradford does have success in Philadelphia: what do the Eagles do then? If he leads the Eagles to the playoffs it might be an easy decision to sign him to a contract extension. But those two blown ACLs aren’t erased from his medical history. Handing an injury-prone quarterback another fat contract based on one good year doesn’t seem like a shrewd business decision.
This is why I used the term “unburden”. The Rams have completely unburdened themselves from the Bradford situation. The free agent options at quarterback were brutal and this year’s draft class is shallow at the position. They were stuck. Bradford was the best option and even with that being the case, the Rams would have had to hold their breath that he would stay healthy for an entire season. His contract also would have prevented them from eventually addressing needs along the offensive line and/or adding quality depth like Nick Fairly.
But now Bradford is Kelly’s problem (at least until he swings another trade that nobody sees coming). I don’t mean to be flippant: I felt bad for Bradford when he tore his ACL again after working his a** off to get ready for training camp last year. It wasn’t fair. In fact, his entire career in St. Louis wasn’t fair. It was as if the football gods used him as their go-to whenever they were in need of a cruel laugh.
I hope Bradford does succeed in Philadelphia.
But even if he does, the Rams made the right decision. Foles is still largely an unknown. His 2013 season was a thing of beauty, but turnovers and accuracy woes doomed his 2014 campaign long before the broken collarbone did. From a skill set standpoint, Bradford is a better passer than Foles if we’re comparing apples to apples.
But we’re not comparing apples to apples because one of those apples has browned in several places. The fact that Bradford has only played seven games the last two years, coupled with the reality that Foles won’t be running Bill Walsh’s West Coast Offense (which is to say the Rams’ offense is not complex), it was a no-brainer trade for the Rams.
I’ll say the same thing next year regardless of what transpires this fall.
March 18, 2015 at 11:38 pm in reply to: Jed York: 49ers got away from “core strengths” under Harbaugh #20955
znModeratorJed York: 49ers got away from “core strengths” under Jim Harbaugh
Michael David Smith
San Francisco 49ers owner Jed York thinks replacing Jim Harbaugh with Jim Tomsula is a step toward winning a Super Bowl.
York told Bloomberg Television that he doesn’t think the 49ers were playing up to the standards of the franchise last year, and change was needed.
“We’re trying to win a Super Bowl,” York said, via the San Francisco Chronicle. “We haven’t been able to do that. And I think what we’re trying to do is build a team that focuses on our core strengths. I think we got away from that a little bit. I think we tried to do too much and be something that we weren’t. …”
I agree with that totally. You know, the 49ers just need to be themselves, who they are.
And they should get to know their teammates. And, of course, get to know the locker room.
Because that is what it’s about.
Test 1.
Test 2.
The witch is dead.
March 18, 2015 at 11:37 pm in reply to: Jed York: 49ers got away from “core strengths” under Harbaugh #20954
znModeratorJed York: 49ers got away from “core strengths” under Jim Harbaugh
Michael David Smith
San Francisco 49ers owner Jed York thinks replacing Jim Harbaugh with Jim Tomsula is a step toward winning a Super Bowl.
York told Bloomberg Television that he doesn’t think the 49ers were playing up to the standards of the franchise last year, and change was needed.
“We’re trying to win a Super Bowl,” York said, via the San Francisco Chronicle. “We haven’t been able to do that. And I think what we’re trying to do is build a team that focuses on our core strengths. I think we got away from that a little bit. I think we tried to do too much and be something that we weren’t. …”
I agree with that totally. You know, the 49ers just need to be themselves, who they are.
And they should get to know their teammates. And, of course, get to know the locker room.
Because that is what it’s about.
Test 1.
znModeratorI just updated the bbpress plugin… did it fix the issue you were trying to address here?
Yes. Looks like it.
March 18, 2015 at 11:15 pm in reply to: Jed York: 49ers got away from “core strengths” under Harbaugh #20950
znModeratorAnd they should get to know their teammates. And, of course, get to know the locker room.
Because that is what it’s about.

znModeratorSt. Louis Rams Sign OL Garrett Reynolds
by Patrick Karraker
http://archauthority.com/2015/03/18/st-louis-rams-sign-ol-garrett-reynolds/
The St. Louis Rams finally made some sort of move to address their offensive line, which has been stripped bare by free agency and cap-conserving cuts, signing veteran offensive lineman Garrett Reynolds to a two-year contract worth $2.2 million. The 27-year-old Reynolds will become the seventh lineman who the Rams officially have in the fold for the 2015 season.
On a team that does not have many experienced depth options at the moment, Reynolds is a nice, versatile player to have around. After playing primarily right tackle during his college career at North Carolina, Reynolds played exclusively guard for the Atlanta Falcons from 2009 to 2013, starting in 23 games while appearing in 42 overall. After being released by the Falcons in February of last year, Reynolds signed with the Detroit Lions as training camp opened. He went on to start four games for them at right tackle while appearing in two more on a rotational basis.
Reynolds fits the profile of a typical long and lean Jeff Fisher offensive tackle, as he’s listed at 6-foot-7 but at times has been listed as tall as 6-foot-8, and he most recently weighed in at a svelte 310 pounds. In an ideal scenario, Reynolds probably serves as an experienced swing backup for starting tackles Greg Robinson and Joe Barksdale (who is still on the free agent market at the moment). The Rams didn’t have that type of player last year, as Robinson and Rodger Saffold, the team’s starting guards, were the primary backup tackles, with inexperienced Mike Person serving as the emergency option. (In addition, the Rams obviously made a misstep in allowing practice squad tackle Mike Remmers to escape to the Carolina Panthers midway through the season; Remmers went on to start the last five games of the regular season plus two playoff contests for Carolina.)
The reality is that Reynolds may also end up competing for the Rams’ other vacant guard position if no more established free agent options are brought into the fold. The team is expected to address the guard position in the middle rounds of the draft, but with an unproven rookie experiencing the grind of the NFL for the first time, guys like Reynolds and long-term project Brandon Washington will likely end up pushing for a starting spot.
znModeratorWow it’s September all ready? Lol just kidding.
Thanks for spotting the typo. I fixed it. And also added this post. Cause otherwise…you would look purrtee crazy.

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