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znModeratorRely on 3 rooks and you’d better have hit on all 3!
there might very well be worse
things than having 3 young, strong, healthy, stud
rookie OLinemen. Definitely not ‘ideal’
but there might be worse things.I doubt they start 3 rookies, even if they don’t sign anyone.
Remember we didn’t see Barksdale coming. Yet he played pretty well.
In 2013, they fielded a line that PFF (fwiw) ranked 13th. It was (until injured) Long Williams Wells Saffold Barksdale.
Williams was a clear weak link, but, they managed to get by with that, even with Clemens at qb.
Which gets me to my point. We don’t know who among the crop they currently have will be a Barksdale. IE good enough. Or, which veteran they already have who they can just get by with as an individual while playing good unit football.
Barnes? Jones? Rhaney? Bond? Washington? Baker?
My bet is at least one of those guys starts instead of a rookie. Whoever it is, we don’t know yet how he will perform–he could be anything from a Williams to a Barksdale. Either way, they have 6 guys who have already learned the system, gone through NFL weight training and film watching, and aren’t in the process of trying to learn how NOT to be a rookie both on and off the field while also trying to learn the Rams offensive system.
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znModeratorI liked all those recipes.
Except, I would leave out the toast.
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April 7, 2015 at 7:13 pm in reply to: Linemen in the 2015 draft … including 2 good Cosell podcasts #22298znModeratorTen for No. 10: Brandon Scherff
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17574/ten-for-no-10-brandon-scherff
EARTH CITY, Mo. — With a tip of the cap to Oakland Raiders reporter Bill Williamson for the idea and the fact that I’ll be heading out for a little vacation this week, today we kick off our series of 10 for No. 10, a look at 10 players who could be in the mix for the St. Louis Rams with the 10th overall selection in the upcoming NFL draft.
For the purposes of this exercise, it’s a little more difficult to peg who will be available and who won’t, but out of the 10 we evaluate here, there’s a good chance that some will be on the board when the Rams pick. Based on early returns, we’re going to eliminate Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston, USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams and Florida defensive end Dante Fowler Jr. from the conversation. Those three, above all else, seem all but certain to be gone when the Rams pick.
Brandon Scherff, OL, Iowa
Why the Rams should consider him: The Rams have obvious needs on the offensive line and Scherff is generally regarded as the best player in the draft at the position. He played tackle for the Hawkeyes but many think he’s got Pro Bowl potential as a guard. The Rams need help at both spots, so Scherff would offer the versatility that they often seek in offensive linemen. From a scheme standpoint, Scherff also makes plenty of sense. The Rams want to be a power running team, and Scherff is an excellent run blocker with the ability to open holes on a consistent basis. His ability to play through injury and toughness also figure to be appealing from a personality standpoint to the Rams’ coaching staff.
Why they shouldn’t: There’s an emerging school of thought that Scherff is not only better suited at guard but probably not anything more than an average tackle in the NFL. That means drafting Scherff at No. 10 would mean selecting a guard in the top 10 when there could be better players at positions of less pressing need available. Teams have taken guards in the top 10 in recent seasons, but those picks haven’t panned out so far with the likes of Arizona’s Jonathan Cooper offering a recent (injury-prone) example. Scherff needs polish in pass protection and though the Rams wouldn’t lean on him to shut down top pass-rushers right away, they might not be able to afford to have another guy who would need help in protection on the line immediately. Scherff has proved tough by playing through injury, but he’s also had a knack for those injuries. He had knee, leg and ankle injuries at Iowa.
Chances he’s available at No. 10? There seem to be plenty of options available on the offensive line in this draft but maybe not one prospect that’s definitely worthy of being a top-10 pick. Still, the need for offensive linemen around the league remains great. Most teams in front of the Rams have greater needs than the offensive line but the New York Giants at No. 9, among others, could pull the trigger on Scherff before the Rams come on the clock.
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CH stands for character ACA=academic
bold players= known rams interesttop 300+
1. Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 6’4 210 4.5 speed ok arm 27 fumbles CH+++
2. Williams DE/DT USC CH+++ LOTT semi-finalist 6’5 298
3. Kevin White WR 6’4 215 .4.35 West Virginia JC guy a natural..huge hands fluid
4. Dante Fowler DE/LB 6’1 260 Florida junior elite burst
5.Danny Shelton NT/DT 6’2 332 CH+++ LOTT semi-finalistWashington massive0/1 tech works his butt off with great vision production
6.Amarai Cooper WR Alabama elite speed, very strong. Lacks some quickness out of his breaks drops catch able balls breaks CH+++
7.Vic Beasley LB Clemson 6’2 245 33 career sacks not as good as Von Miller but close
8. Todd Gurley RB 6’1 226 Georgia elite rb speed power/hands might miss some time coming of ACL
9. Randy Gregory DE/LB 6’4 235 CH++ LOTT semi-finalist Nebraska fluid/smooth
10. Brandon Scherff OT/G 6’5 310 CH+++ Iowa very strong lacks quickness to be LOT 7.02 3 cone WOW!
11. Shane Ray 6’3 245 DE/LB elite burst
12 DeVante Parker WR Louisville spider arms
13 Landon Collins SS CH+++ LOTT semi-finalist Alabama great kid
14.Melvin Gordon RB Wisconsin 6’1 207 scary burst/speed quick feet /zero yards after contact hard worker/team player
15 PJ Williams CB Florida st 6’0 200 runs like a deer hits like a truck just likes football
16 Dorial Green Beckham WR Oklahoma 6’5 225 CH– fast…similar to Green
17 Andrus Peat OT Stanford LT/RT 6’7 320 long arms noticeable difference power in run vs. pass very good RT prospect might play LT
18 Shaq Thompson LB ‘6’2 230 athletic freak
19. Marcus Peters CB Washington 6’0 198 CH— suspended in 2014 11 career int 35 pd drag down, indifferent tackler but fast talented shutdown cb
20 CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State 6’1 185 fast good instincts good not great hips tackler
21 Jameis Winston 6’4 230 pro style qb with major red flags
22 Malcolm Brown DT Texas 6’4 320 productive junior season bull rush only players very strong big bear good vision finds the ball
23 Lael Collins G/OT LSU 6’3 309 lacks bend at guard. loses power in punch immature?
24. Breshad Perriman WR UCF 6’3 214 CH+++ junior 20+ ypc dad played 10 years in nfl raw drops easy balls but serious talent/upside 4.3 –
25 Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE UCLA CH+++ 13-13 41 20 61 11.5 6.0 sacks 5 pd junior 1st year starter bull rush, smart lde type of player underrated
26. Jake Fisher OT Oregon 6’6 300 RT really nice player..combative light feet
27 Alvin Dupree DE Kentucky 6’4 270 lde lacks elite burst smart good athlete hard worker similar to mizzou de 40 vertical jump broad jump at 10-foot-7
28 Ereck Flowers OT Miami 6’6 325 powerful with enough quickness to play LT
29 Donovan Smith OT 6’6 340 Penn St junior dominated senior bowl
30.Eric Kendricks OLB UCLA 6’0 230 CH+++ LOTT semi-finalist wil only type but mega instincts/productions
31 TJ Clemmings OT Pittsburgh 6’5 310 RT/LT physical and fast plays rt but could easily play left very raw shades of Jason Smith 13 wonderlic
32 . Jalen Collins CB LSU junior 6’2 190 avg production 1junior season int 9 pd..but rangy press cb with speed/quickness great sparq/covered Beckham in college
33 Benardrick McKinney MLB 6’4 249
34. . Bryon Jones CB/FS U CONN 6’1 196 CH+++ ACA/Leadership captain econ major injured 2014 7gms played cb in 2013/2104 fs in 2012 good athlete strong hands good tackler
35. Jordan Phillips dt Oklahoma 6’5 334 NT/1 tech junior athletic NT 39 tackles 7 tfl
36 Sammie Coates WR Auburn very strong. Runs through arm tackles good speed below avg hands /routes 4.37 speed junior???
37.Eddie Goldman DT/NT Florida St 35tackles 8 tfl 4 sacks massive strong at poa bull rush only type of DT conditioning issues
38.Nate Orchard DE Utah 6’4 255 CH+++ econ major … 24 career sacks 37.5 career tfl … seven career ff9 career pass breakups hard worker good motor speed lacks some strength 17.5 sacks 20 tfl as a senior
39 Cameron Erving C/G/OT Florida 6’6 300 5 games in career at center?
40 Kevin Johnson CB 6’ 175 Wake Forest better in off but can press good eyes forward burst, fast hips skinny struggles to tackle 35 pd 7 career int 2nd ACC similar to Janoris Jenkins
41.Jaelen Strong WR Arizona at 6’3 220 75 1062 14.2 10
Similar to Floyd lacks elite separation but huge hands/strong body
42. Preston Smith DE Mississippi St 6’4 ½ 270 strong at poa slightly above avg quickness 48 tackles 15 tfl 9 sacks senior
43.Grayson Colorado St QB 6’2 220 great pocket awareness/mobile acg arm/size
44. Maxx Williams TE Minnesota 6’4 250 16.4 good athlete elite blocker soft hands good speed classic Y tad short
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45. Michael Bennett DT Ohio St 6’2 290 quick feet hard worker productive best as 3 tech but can anchor
46..Nelson Agholor USC WR/PR 6’1 190 junior elite slot wr..very productive 8 career td on pr t. The junior had 104 receptions for 1,313 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2014
47 Eli Harold 6’4 250 DE/LB 36.5 career tfl 17.5 sacks long strider athletic lacks power stiff hips but very good combine
48. Denzal Perryman 5’11 238 MLB Miami CH++ 5’11 240 squat mlber takes on blocks instinctive smart, productive 2 down lber
49. DJ Humphries OT Florida 6’5 307 LT junior athletic needs to get MUCH stronger ..narrow hips/ small waist but quick feet injury history high bust potential
50 Eric Rowe cb/fs 6’1 210 looks like a SS 4.4 speed 33 career pd zone cb..elite combine
51. Ali Marpet OT/G Hobart 6’4 310 D3 kid senior bowl nice athlete hard punch senior
52 .Arik Armstead Oregon 6’7 305 DE junior 5 tech 3-4 DE 37 tackles 5.5 tfl for loss as junior passes the eyeball test but where’s the anger/passion?
53.. Kevin Fuchness TE/WR Michigan 6’5 230 lacks quickness /speed more a te similar to Cook but better hands less speed
54 AJ Cann G/C Auburn l CH++ 6’2 ½ 3 310 lacks elite power/quickness passes the eyeball test 5.53 40
55.Ronald Darby cb Florida St 5’11 195 CH+++ LOTT semi-finalist looks smaller very fast not instinctive Tye Hill clone
56..Carl Davis dt Iowa 6’5 325 2nd team Big 10 good senior bowl bad production struggles with blocks/finding the ball
57 Ameer Abdullah RB Nebraska 5’9 195 CH+++ fast outside runner type huge fumble rate .
58 . Paul Dawson LB TCU CH— almost undraftable based on combine workout/character but elite 1 year production JC guy strong vs. pass and run..
59 Quentin Rollins CB Miami of Ohio 6’0 203 1 year starter former point guard elite production
60. Damarious Randall FS Arizona St 83-18-101 tackles cb burst elite tackler former JC kid senior bowl 3 int 11 pd as a senior
61. Stephone Anthony MLB/OLB Clemson 6’1 240 CH+++ avg athlete but elite football layer
62.. Cody Prewitt FS Mississippi 6’2 217 CH+++ aca rangy, instinctive fs with sideline speed career 12 int 25 pd
63 .Rashad Greene WR 6’0 184 Florida st occasional alligator arms very fluid Isaac Bruce clone..just gets open
64. David Johnson RB CH+++ Northern Iowa elite receiver out of the backfield good runner Matt Forte clone
65 Devin Smith WR Ohio St 6’1 190 4.38 speed a burner senior bowl
66 Tevin Coleman RB Indiana 6’0 210 straight up runner lacks quickness very good straight away speed /blocker
67 Justin Hardy WR Eastern Carolina slot wr
68 David Cobb RB Minnesota 5’11 230 2800+ yards in last 2 years quick feet sub 4.81 combine elite instincts
69.Marcus Golden DE/LB Mizzou 6’2 255 4.6 avg combine but a player
70. Cedric Ogbuehi OT Texas A&M 6’5 300 LT lacks power/weak hands athletic quick drop in pass pro recent ACL injury maybe ready by training camp
71 Ty Sambrailo Colorado St T/G 6’5 315 LT elite athlete lacks upper body strength great job of sliding picking up blitzers/2nd crazy fast 7.24 short shuttle
72. Laken Tomlinson G Duke CH+++ long arms very good in pass pro solid vs. run but not a road grader and avg in 2nd level
73.. Duke Johnson RB 5’9 206 junior very good 3rd down back skinny legs fast
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74. Hundley QB UCLA Brain/talent zero instincts.Hundley QB UCLA Brain/talent zero instincts
75 Clive Walford TE Miami 6’4 260 junior 121career rec 14 td senior bowl
76 Ty Montgomery WR/KR /PR Stanford 6’2 215 poor mans Cordarrelle Patterson.. very good after the catch..avg before
77. Jeff Heuerman TE Ohio St 6’5 260 4.68 CH+++ good not great hands solid blocker..long strider extrovert senior bowl
78. Hroniss Grasu C Oregon Ch+++ played at 285…
79. Chris Conley WR 6’2 215 CH+++ of the charts character off the charts combine
80.Trey Flowers DE Arkansas 6’3 265 CH+++ looks lazy at times little anger..decent numbers elite athlete 2nd SEC 34 34 68 15.5 6.0 LDE type
81.125 Tyler Lockett WR/PR Kansas St 5’10 180 CH+++ 4.4 mega production brainy/quick almost unstoppable
82. Arie Kouandjio G Alabama 6’5 320 CH++ ACA econ major powerful player does a solid job in pass pro lacks some flexibility knee injuries a concern
83. James Sample SS Louisville junior 6’1 190 JC kid Washington transfer great junior season 90 tackles 74 solo 12 pd 4 int complete safety covers/tackls well
84. Senquez Golson CB 5’9 176 Mississippi 16 career int 10 senior season All American small nickle back only good not great speed
85 Bryce Petty QB Baylor 6’3 220 CH+++ smart spread decent arm
weight lifter productive
86 Mike Davis RB South Carolina 5’9 223 tough downhill runner
87. Danielle Hunter DE LSU 6’6 240 junior 8 tfl 3 sacks very lanky struggles to run a small arc..lacks strong hands/ upper body strength good at knocking passes down and straight line speed
88. Charles Gaines CB Louisville 5’10 5 180 junior graduated super fast/fluid great hips trash talker avg tackler 4.34
89 . Christian Covington dt Rice 6’3 300 CH++ very bright articulate junior 1st team Conf USA as a soph injured junior season 59 tackles 4 sacks `14 tfl and 3 pd as a soph
90. Mario Edwards Jr.DE Florida St 6’3 294
91. Lorenzo Mauldin DE/LB Louisville 6’4 250 CH+++ 25 tfl 16 sacks last 2 years fluid fast good player
92. Tre’ Jackson G 6’3 325 lacks quickness strong vs. run
weight lifter productive great senior bowl
93 Ramik Wilson MLB Georgia. 6’2 240 CH+++ Hits like a tank 140 tackles 22 tfl last 2 years
94. Anthony Harris FS/SS Virginia 6’1 190 19 career pd 11 int 270+ tackles
95. Jacoby Glenn CB soph UCF 6’1 180 26 pd 11 int in 1st 2 years Lanky quick playmaker
96. Kwon Alexander OLB LSU 6’2 227 junior 90 40-50 tackles 1st SEC very fast, hustles brains?
97 Ifo Ekpre-OlomuCB Oregon heady productive cb without elite measurable
98. Henry Anderson DE/DT Stanford CH+++ ACA #X All Academic 1st Pac 12 3-4 DE 6’6 287 good senior bowl 15 tfl 8.5 sacks as a senior
99. . Daryl Williams OT CH+++ leadership Oklahoma 6’6 320 RT not as bulky but similar to Loadholt
100.. Grady Jarrett dt 6’1 295 Clemson active 3 tech disruptive vs. run avg pass rush
101. Sean Mannion QB Oregon St 6’5 220 CH+++ accurate pocket passer battles/lacks mobility
102. Gerod Holliman FS Louisville CH— 6’0 200 15 int 17 pd elite instincts indifferent tackler poor combine
103 Phillip Dorsett WR Miami 5’10 200 a blur senior bowl only 121rec in 4 years but 17 td..
104 Jordan Hicks LB Texas CH+++ 6th year senior very good player
105 Lorenzo Doss CB Tulane 5’10 182 junior 15 career int 35 career pd All American
Elite cover2/zone type cb
……………………………………………………………………………………………………..4th rd106 Josue Matias G Florida St 6’3 320 very solid vs. run/pass brutal combine
107 Andy Gallik C Boston College 6’2 300 bulldog type of player good quickness
108 Tre McBride WR William & Mary 6’1 205 CH+++ 1st CAA team good shrine tough catches in traffic battles for 50/50 balls 4.4 speed
109. JaCorey Shepherd cb 5’11 190 CH+++ ACA 31 pd in 2 years former wr 4.6
110 Jarvis Harrison G Texas A&M 6’4 344 CH+++ “most athletic linemen on team” wouldn’t accept scholarship till he knew his SAT scores played lt very powerful weight issues 344 at nflpa game lazy tag
111.Corey Robinson OT/G South Carolina 6’7 330 CH+++ ACA played LT but RT type might kick inside bullish strength/long arms struggles to redirect 5.21 40 31 vertical112. TJ Yeldon RB Alabama 4.5 pro day
113 Hauoli Kikaha LB/DE 6’3 246 CH+++ LOTT semi-finalist x judo/wrestler champion 33 career sacks 51 tfl elite burst crazy upper body strength injury history
114 Reese Dismukes C 6’2 295 mister smooth. Does everything well day 1 starter but below avg sparg
115 Kurtis Drummond SS/FS solid but not great at anything
116. Vince Mayle 6’2 224 elite possession wr huge muscular body
117.Frank Clark DE Michigan 6’4 277 CH– kicked off team domestic violence 13.5 tfl as a senior lde strong at poa some burst stealing in 2012
118 Za’Darius Smith DE Louisville 6’5 270 .469 pro day former JC guy explosive burst star at shrine
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119 Dez Lewis WR Central Arkansas very flexible great senior bowl. A player! singled out for praise at senior bowl by director
120. Alex Carter CB Stanford CH +++ 6’0 200 junior good size slightly stiff 10 pd junior 1nt dad played in nfl good combine
121.Xavier Cooper DE/DT 6’4 298 junior Washington played lde in 4-3 appeared in 36 games, starting final 34… 121 total tackles 31.5 career tfl 13 sacks, 3 FF
122 Jaquiski Tartt SS 6’2 220 Samford 4.53 very good combine similar to Deone Buchanon
123. Chris Hackett FS TCU junior 6’2 195 1st Big 12 7 int as a junior very good tackler and coverage safety 7 int 13 pd as a senior high solo tackles
124 Derron Smith FS Fresno St 5’11 197 CH+++ leadership brainy/productive
125.Jay Ajayi RB Bose St 6’0 216 nice burst good hands not a lot yards after contact
126. Tyrus Thompson OT Oklahoma lt 6’5 330
127 Randy Chickillo DE Miami 6’4 275 played 3-4 in college natural 4-3 lde nice burst great shrine game
128 Steve Nelson CB Oregon 5’9 199 great senior bowl week./practice battles quick with speed
129 Jeremy Langford RB 6’0 211 Michigan St does every well nothing elite solid #2 back
130. Gabe Wright 6’3 299 DT Auburn underachiever good senior bowl practice
131 Geneo Grissom LB/DE Oklahoma 6’4 264
132 Josh Shaw 6’1 200 CB/FS USCC 4.44 played in 3 gms senior CH—/+++ team captain domestic violence suspended can run & tackle articulate/smart
133 Rannell Hall WR UCF CH+++ ACA elite kr 4.45 speed 6’1 200 injured senior season fearless over the middle strong hands nice body control
134 Terrance McGee RB LSU 5’9 220 CH+++ leadership lacks elite talent downhill runner
135 D’Joun Smith CB 5’10 190 C+++ Captain Florida International 9 career int 41 career pd senior bowl…elite vision/hands good not great athlete smart player gets it!
136 Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT Southern Miss CH+++6’2 305 58 tackles 14.5 tfl junior very athletic
137 Robert Myers OG/OT Tennessee St 6’5 310 Senior bowl invite
138 Rob Havenstein OT Wisconsin 6’7 330 CH+++ captain massive rt with quick feet will knock you down
139. Max Garcia C/G/OT Florida 6’4 300 CH+++ senior bowl 2nd team SEC at center as a senior very light feet/long arms functional strength to hold poa
140 Hayes Pullard OLB/MLB USC 6’1 235 CH+++ good in coverage/vs. run
141.Titus Davis 6’1 195 WR Central Michigan fluid/quick out of breaks lacks elite speed 33 career td .
142.Mike Hull ILB/OLB Penn St 6’0 231 CH+++ACA/Captain 4x all academic 134 tackles as a senior elite combine
143. Mitch Morse OT/C Mizzou 6’5 305 CH++++ All SEC Academic 32 ½ arms played lt as a senior anchors vs. power short arms but good feet…
144 Tayo Fabuluje OT/G TCU 6’6 353 great combine/sparq massive LT with quickness
145.Antwan Goodley WR Baylor 5’10 225 a fast tank 4.39 good hands senior bowl physical blocker
146 John Miller G Louisville 6’3 315 great shrine week/game falls off blocks/slightly stiff but a player
…………………………………………………………………………………5th rd147 Tony Lippett WR/CB Michigan St 6’3 190 CH++ very good college wr lacks strength/ 2nd gear best position might be cb
148 Jordan Richards SS/FS Stanford CH+++ ACA leadership 5’11 208 very bright avg to good athlete very productive
149 Stefon DiggsWR Maryland 6’0 190 a bigger, slower Tavon Austin clone
150.. Tull Davis OLB 6’2 246 SLB CH+++ ACA Chattanooga killed the combine slb
151 Doran Grant CB Ohio St 5’11 195 strong good burst hips great straight line speed
152 Antoine Everett C/G McNeese St 6’2 ½ 320 all American powerful run blocker played LT in college big butt/thighs 4.63 40?
153 Corey Crawford DE Clemson 6’5 283
154. Jamil Douglas G Arizona St 6’4 300 CH+++ ACA leadership 1st team Pac 10 at LT…athletic plays angry Douglas is a long-time reliable starter, a ridiculous physical specimen who can power clean 385 pounds, squat 565, run a sub-5 second forty, and has a body fat measurement in the teens
155 Ben Koyack, TE Notre Dame 6’5 250 4.68 solid inline te
156.Jesse James TE Penn St junior 6’7 264 enormous target with soft hands runs through arm tackles lacks burst
157. Nick O’Leary TE Florida St 6’3 247 very smooth rt runner with solid hands
158. Ben Heeney OLB/ILB Kansas CH+++ ACA/leadership 1st big 12 35 career tfl great vision/instincts reads plays and shoots jab. Looked good at shrine at olber
159 Sean Hickey OT/C/G Syracuse 6’6 310 lacks strength short arms tough maybe C sleeper 35 lifts
160. Justin Coleman CB Memphis 5’11 189 good shrine 4 int 9 pd avg production elite combine/sparq
161. Deon Long WR Maryland, West Virginia, New Mexico, North Iowa 6’1 189 very fast good shrine avg hands JC all American
162 Jeremiah Poutasi OT/G Utah 6’6 340 junior CH +++ ACA 2nd Pac 10 LT in college very stiff, lacks flexibility guard only type BUT might be a future all pro with good coaching
163.Karlos Williams RB Florida St CH— 6’1 225 downhill runner with burst/long speed soft hands some shake and bake a LeGarrette Blount clone
164. Cedric Reed DE Texas 3-4 or 4-3 lde very stout at poa hard worker some burst..good player
165. Tyler Kroft TE Rutgers junior 6’5 ½ 240 lanky te with very good speed/body control tries to block high spaarq
166 .Martell Spaight MLB Arkansas senior bowl 6’ 232 looks solid/lacks instincts?
167 Taiwan Jones MLB Michigan St 6’3 252 looks sluggish slow to change directions in shrine playing 4-3 likely a 3-4 ilb only
168 Cam Thomas CB Western Kentucky 6’1 190 CH+++ Captain strong but stiff hips 35 pd 11 int
169.Latterius Walton DT Central Michigan 6’5 319
170.. Miles Dieffenbach G Penn St 6’4 305 injured 2014 smart, funny extrovert great eyes good athlete lacks some power but underrated solid player
171. Nick Boyle TE Delaware 6’5 270 Y good senior mean athletic good sleeper
172.. Dres Anderson WR Utah 6’2 190 injured 2014 son of Flipper explosive speed 4.4 needs more strength
173.. MyCole Pruitt TE S SIU 6’2 251 elite production/great combine 4.51 40
174. Kenny Bell WR Nebraska 6’1 185 CH+++ dad played wr in NFL great blocker. Good sparq but doesn’t play that fast
175. Tyler Varga FB/RB Yale
176 Max Valles DE/LB Virginia 6’5 240 soph..soft at poa some quickness
177 Tye Smith CB Towson 6’1 190 CH+++ 180 tackles last 2 years ? Shrine game good sparq
178 Ibraheim Campbell SS Northwestern 6’0 210 box safety very good production good senior bowl
179. Zach Zenner RB CH+++ ACA South Dakota St white guy great feet good speed
180 Kyshoen Jarrett SS/CB Virginia Tech 5’11 190 3X all conference big hitter small ss but packs a wallop with fluid hips…underrated
181 Mark Glowinski G West Virginia former JUCO 1st team 1st Big 12 shrine game very athletic on 2nd level can run powerful good player
182. . Jake Ryan OLB/ILB Michigan 6’3 238 CH+++ Captain hustle effort guy coming acl junior year 67-45 112 tackles as a senior
183 Austin Shepherd OT/G 6’5 320 Alabama ch+++ ACA senior bowl RT 2nd SEC very solid in pass pro and enough functional speed/coordination to be solid on 2nd level
184 DeAndre Smelter WR Georgia Tech 6’3 220 torn ACL great blocker, runs through arm tackles lacks elite speed/ former baseball player raw but great sleeper pick
185 Jamon Brown OT/G Louisville 6’4 330 1st ACC singer/good kid CH++++ good shrine……………………………………………………………………………………6th rd
186. Kaleb Eulls ST Mississippi St 6’3 307
187 Shane Carden QB Eastern Carolina 6’2 220 senior bowl spread qb
188. Cameron Artis-Payne RB auburn 5’10 21-0 lacks elite burst/quickness backup type
189. Adrian Amos FS/CB CH+++ productive/solid fs prospect good in coverage played mainly at cb at Penn St Allowed just 3.9 yards per target in 2014
190. Cole Manhart G/OT Nebraska-Kearney 6’4 305 CH+++ aca all American OT good athlete flexible
191 Tyeler Davison. DT/NT Fresno St played NT 6’2 315 top athlete 3x all conference 56 tackles as a senior
192. Clayton Geathers SS Central Florida 6’2 218
193. Tony Washington lb Oregon 6’3 250 CH+++ 23 tfl 13 sacks and 8 forced fumbles last 2 years hard hitter..3-4 teams will love him
194. Xavier Williams DT Northern Iowa 6’2 325 elite production great shrine
93 total tackles 14 tfl 8 sacks, 3pd two blocked kicks.
195.. Jamison Crowder WR 5’8 178 Duke CH+++ very bright, very quick very small wr lacking elite straight line speed196 Craig Mager CB texas St 6’0 191 47 career pd 8 int big body some quickness good tackler 211 career tackles great sparq
197.. Darius Kilgo NT Maryland 6’2 320 o/1 tech very strong at poa jars players with b power/bull rush decent backup
198 Malcolm Bunch OT/G UCLA 6’6 310 transferred from Miami starter at lt and guard..workout warrior played in 2014 working on his masters sounds intelligent nice thick trunk fluid in his drops good pro day
199. Dillon Day C Mississippi St 6’4 296 tough kid flexible underrated
200. Derrick Lott 6’4 299 DT Georgia transfer (rarely played) shrine 6 sacks 13.5 tfl 6th year
201. Darren Waller WR 6’6 238 Georgia Tech good combine/bad hands instincts
202.Christian Lombard G/T Notre Dame 6’5 311 rt/g swing player fluid lacks power
203. Al-Hajj Shabazz CB 6’2 185 West Chester 15 pd as a senior career33 pd 11 int excellent tackler special teams player
204 Kevin White CB TCU 5’9 180 smallish nickle excellent quickness
205. Joey Mbu DT Houston CH+++ powerful hard working 1/0 tec bad combine
206. Imoan Claiborne CB Northwestern LA 5’10 190 All American senior bowl tough kid strong upper body blows up blockers 40 vertical
207. Laurence Gibson OT Virginia Tech 6’6 305 elite pro day 4.56 3 cone 1 year starter strong good feet
208. Adam Shead G Oklahoma 6’4 330 LG 3X starter power but tends to play high lunges loses power
209. Obum Gwacham DE Oregon St 6’5 238 CH++++ ACA Nigeria elite athlete moved to de his senior season flashed
210. Terrence Plummer ILB/OLB UCF 5’11 240 great production/instinctive avg athlete
211. Bryce Hager ILB Baylor 6’1 230 dad played in NFL solid production
212. De’Ante Saunders CB 5’9 185 Tennessee State Florida transfer(9 starts as a true freshman) 1st team 5 int 11 pd as a senior 51 tackles
213 Josh Robinson RB Mississippi St 5’10 210 human bowling ball never quits avg speed
214. Deshazor Everett CB/FS Texas A&M 5’11 188 4.49 38 vertical 143 tackles last 2 years
215. Shaquille Riddick DE West Virginia 6’ 5 1/2 245 elite sparq raw but fast 11 tfl 7 sacks as a senior
216 Justin Cox FS/CB 6’1 195 4.36 Mississippi suspended 2014 assualt/theft elite combine
217 Quandre Diggs CB 5’10 204 Texas CH+++ senior bowl 2 brothers played in nfl 241 career tackles 17 tfl 5.5 sacks 11 int 48 pd…49 career starts might lack elite speed but a bulldog very poor combine short arms
218 Zac Hodges lb Harvard.
219 Quinton Spain G West Virginia G 6’4 340 4.91 very good short short shuttle/3 cone played LT as a soph plays stiff/lacks flexibility
220. Bryce Callahan, CB, Rice 4.32 40, 43.5 vertical 11 feet in the broad jump.
221. Nick Marshall CB/S/QB Auburn 6’3 210
222 Xzavier Dickson ILB/OLB Alabama 6’3 255 big thumper huge legs 4.6 pro day
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223. Gary Peters CB Clemson 6’0 191 31 ½ arms 15 pd as a senior elite 3cone/short shuttle plays with quickness confidence 4.6 speed
224 Sam Carter SS TCU CH+++ 6’1 215 covers slot and a hard hitter good shrine week
225 Dean Marlowe James Madison S.
226 Ricky Collins WR Texas A&M Commerce 6’0 200 snatches ball/fluid fast & strong
227 Deontay Greenberry WR Houston junior 6’3 198 strong ankles solid possession wr..similar to Strong lot of drops
228 Thomas Teal DT North Carolina St 6’1 300 square body quick 3 tech solid production
229. Lynden Trail SLB 6’7 260 sideline speed great at poa bad change of direction
230 Jean Sifrin TE U mass 6 7 250 junior 27 years old very raw..fast/fluid soft hands looks skinny but blocks
231 Alani Fua LB BYU 6’5 235 avg production good combine
232.Bo Wallace QB JC CH— Mississippi 6’4 220 athlete/Favre clone played last 3 gms with a high ankle sprain was 5th in the nation in completion %
233 Edmond Robinson LB Newberry 6’3 245 Shrine game 4.61 2X 1st team 10 pd last 2 years
234. Donald Celiscar CB/FS Western Michigan 5’11 183 led nation in pd 21 55 career 10 career int good nflpa game..great vision instincts very poor combine 4.6 pro day
……………………………………………………………………………………7th rd235 Kyle Emanuel OLB/DE South Dakota St 6’3 250 CH+++ ACA Buch Buchanon winner best d2 player in country crazy stats 50 47 97 32.5 tfl 4 pd 3 ff as a de fluid gets small/skinny fast ..quick great motor 35.5 career sacks good combine
236 Jeff Luc MLB Cincinnati 6’1 263 134 tackles 6 forced fumbles as a senior 2 down thumper
237. Ellis McCarthy NT/DT UCLA 6’5 335
238. Tray Walker CB 6’3 205 33 ½ arms Texas Southern 1st team
239 Zach Virgil OLB/ILB Utah ST Mountain West D player of the year 6’2 238 154 tackles 19.5 tfl
240. Deon Barnes DE Penn St 6’4 260
241 Donatella Luckett WR Harding 6’1 215 senior bowl invite killer blocker 26’1 avg senior over 20 as a junior CH+++
242 Deon Simon NT Northwestern St 6’3 332 won’t be moved smart kid graduated criminal justice major
243 John Crockett RB North Dakota St 6’0 217 elite combine
244 Aaron Ripkowski, FB, Oklahoma
245 Terry Poole LT/G San Diego St CH+++ ACA Captain JC played LT as a senior big butt/thighs quick feet very good program
246 Ladarius Gunter CB Miami 6’1 200 JC guy bad combine physical p9 pd 3 int as a senior wonderlic
247 Zach Wagenmann DE/LB Montana 6’3 247 17 sacks as a senior 1st team nice nlfpa game nice burst/bends hips
248 Chris Harper WR 6’0 176 California junior
249 Durell Eskridge FS/SS 6’3 2207 Syracuse junior 3rd ACC 68 tackles 1 int
250 Keith Mumphrey WR Michigan St 6’0 215 good shrine
251 Chaz Green OT Florida 6’5 300 LT/RT backup type quick feet better as a lt really weak/lacks a powerful base good lt combine
252 Javorius Allen RB USC junior 6’1 220 downhill runner lacks breakaway speed good pass pro
253. Shaq Mason C/G 6’ 1 ½ 2 300 Georgia Tech good senior bowl practice 3X starter at RG 1st ACC fast, athletic flexible short arms?
254 JJ Edwards WR UB 5’11 166 4.29 speed career 20yards per catch good short shuttle/3 cone
255. David Andrews C Georgia very good player
256. Blake Bell, TE/QB , Oklahoma shrine
257. Cody Fajardo QB 6 1 ½ 223 Nevada strong runner/decent passer
258. Malcolm Agnew RB Southern Illinois 5’9 208
259 Austin Hill WR Arizona St 6’2 210 very solid wr injured 2013 ACL poor 2014 no combine invite
260. Ben Beckwith G/C Mississippi St 6’4 317 2nd SEC CH+++
261 Jake Rodgers OT/G 6’6 310 Eastern Washington Washington ST transfer mean stiff RT/G type
262. Rob Crisp OT North Carolina St 6’7 310 CH+++ LT didn’t a;l;low sack as a soph
Andrew Donnal OT Iowa 6’6 330 only started senior year ar rt.. HON mention Big
263..Marcus Hardison DT Arizona St 6’3 300 very quick 3 tech
264. Aundrey Walker G/T USC 6’5 315 good soph season injured all of 2014 maybe character issues but good athlete..flexible
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265 Terrell Watson RB 6’1 239 Azusa Pacific1700+ yards as a senior MVP NFLPA
Martz coached him at game said “He belongs in the NFL,” Martz said. “I don’t think there’s any question in my mind after seeing him all week he belongs. Somebody in the league is going to get a terrific player.”
266 Jake Waters QB Kansas St ch+++ very smart qb a winner with below avg arm
267.Brandon Vitabile C Northwestern 6’3 ½ 304 CH+++leadership/ACA 37 career starts good player runs ok has some power..but limited
268 Jon Feliciano G Miami 6’4 335 shrine game lacks athleticism mean battler
269 Ryan Delaire DE Towson 6’4 257 CH— U-Mass transfer 11 sacks 14.5 tfl all american 4.75
270. Conner Holliday QB 6’3 198 Washington St broke ankle senior…very small hands
271.Blaine Clausell OT Mississippi St 3X starter at lt 6’6 310 late addition to senior bowl good LT in college but rt/g prospect
272. Tevin McDonald Eastern Washington S
273. Doniel Gambrell G/OT Notre Dame college played RT in college 6’5 307 33 5/8 arms CH+++ good sleeper
274. . Dylan Thompson QB South Carolina CH+++ ACA/leadership 6’3 218 nice body/arm 1 year starter with solid senior production bad shrine
275.Deandre Carter WR 5’8 ½ 194 Sacramento St All American 17td as a senior 1300+ yards short strong slot wr with speed good nflpa game
276 Travis Lee CB Miles cb 6’1 185 very hard tackler 4.36 looks fast in games press aggressive cb 6 int senior 36 vertical
277. Brandon Bridge QB 6’4 229 South Alabama can throw the ball a mile but has zero touch
278.Henry Coley LB Virginia 6’1 240 2nd ACC CH+++ 8 sacks 12.5 tfl senior
279 Junior Sylvestre OLB Toledo 6’1 236 4.58 1st team MAC very productive
280. Bryan Bennett QB transfer fro Oregon smart nfl arm size avg college production
281.Ryan Mueller MLB Kansas CH++ 6’1 240
282 Mario Alford WR/KR West Virginia 5’8 ½ 180 4.28 Tavon Austin clone
283 Nick Easton C Harvard 6’2 307 draftable strong/quick
284 Trey DePriest ILB Alabama 6’2 250 2 down mlb sluggish but will hit
285 Jamiel Sowers QB 6’3 220 looked good at nf;pa game looks like a nfl qb solid body/decision making
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286 Gary Nova QB Rutgers 6’2 220 fast delivery avg arm good athlete nice sleeper
287 Bobby Hart G Florida St 6’5 336
288. Conner Hempel QB Harvard 6’2 210 66%career passer good runner/feels pressure
289 Jerry Lovelocke QB Prairie View A&M 6’4 244
290. Nick Richardson LB Abilene Christian 6’1 240 played de career leader in sacks/tfl very articulate
291.Julian Wilson CB Oklahoma 6’1 200 CH+++ ACA 3x all academic very fast poor stats 2nd Big 12
292 Ryan Russell DE Purdue 6’4 270 below avg production good combine
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294 Qushaun Lee LB Arkansas St 6’0 230 300+ tackles last 3 years
295 Collin Rahig C/G 6’3 290 CH+++ leadership fast/athletic shrine needs strength
296 Greg Manz C Toledo 6’4 300 CH+++ very good in pas pro/2nd level lacks power
297 298 Damien Wilson MLB Minnesota 6’0 240
299 David Mayo ILB Texas St 6-1, 235) 40 4.7 seconds. 34 1/2 vertical jump he 20-yard short shuttle in 4.33 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.15 seconds. He also performed 24 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press 150+ tackles as a senior led nation
300 Neiron Ball olb Florida 6’2 231
301 Andrew Manley QB 6’3 225 New Mexico St/Eastern Illinois
302. Al Bond G Memphis 6’3 300 played OT/G at Memphis CH+++ ACA/leadership
303 Keshawn Hill RB Sam Houston ST CH++++ACA 5’10 210 1200yards 19 td as a senior
304 Terrence Jones G/RT Troy 6’3 330 1st team CH+++ACA squats 810 lbs
305 Yannik Cudjoe-Virgil Maryland 6’2 250 CH+++ leadership Seton Hall transfer rarely started 4.55
306. Qumain Black CB 6’0 190 East Central University
307. LeBrandon Richardson lb 6’0 241 Bethune Cookman elite sparq
308. Kenny Cook WR 6’ ½ 208Gardner Webb 4.54 t 64 receptions 758 yards 5td
309 Matt Lactosse TE Illinois 6’5 ½ 260 4.64 good pro day
310.Jermauria Rasco DE LSU 6’3 ½ 247 71 tackles 7.5 tfl as a senior
311 Chris Bonner QB 6’7 220 Colorado-Peublo CH++ jc guy nfl arm struggles setting his feet accuracy
312 Etauj Allen PR 5’9 190 Ouachita Babtist D2 special teams player of the year 18.5 pr avg
313 BJ Dubose DE/OLB Louisville 1 year starter 13 22 19 41 7.5 tfl 4. Sacks
314 Travis Manning CB NE Missouri St 4.44 11.3 broad jump second team All-MIAA 21 pd last 2 years 10 career int ran track 1st 2 years at college
315 Tyler Slavin WR New Mexico Highlands 6’2 215 4.52 107 1200+ yds as a senior Taylor Belsterling, WR Huntingdon D3 6’4 204 4.5 great short times
316 Taylor Heineke QB Old Dominion weaka arm but great production/instincts
317 Brett Boyko OT UNLV 6’7 310 LT in college CH+++ACA 3x all academic Canadian Shrine game
318 Jacob Hagen Liberty S
319 Lorenzo Waters FS Rutgers 6’1 195 4.5 CH+++ 3X all academic masters
320 Chad Hamilton G Coastal Carolina 6’2 305 1st 4.87 pro day Big South CH+++ ACA all American
321 Cameron Lynch LB Syracuse CH+++ACA econ major 5’11 230 4.7 s squat 620 pounds, clean 374 pounds and bench press 435 pounds. 36 reps bench press at 225 pounds. He also can do a standing back flip, and his vertical jump has been measured at 36 inches. Explosive small lber 12 69 28 97 12.tfl 3pd 1 int
322 Anthony “Ace” Clark Western Carolina SS 6’2 210 240+ tackles very few pd
323 Aaron Davis olb Colorado St 6’0 220 317 career tackles
324 Pete Thomas qb 6’5 227 Louisiana Monroe/NC St Colorado st 500passes in 2014 7 int ncaa leader in comebacks started at 3 colleges
325. Brian Blechen SS Utah ch 3X all academic solid production decent box safety
326. FS Jermaine Whitehead, Auburn
327. Tyson Chandler OT NC state 6-7 1/4, 330 36 1/2 inches arms wingspan 88 inches.
328. EJ Bibbs TE Iowa st 4.8 40ty 31.5 vertical jump, 9-7 in the broad jump and completed 22 reps on the bench, . His short shuttle timed 4.25 and 3-cone 7.22
329. Vernon Johnson WR Texas A&M Commerce 6’0194 4.53 Texas-Commerce
330 Dexter McDonald CB 6’0 200 Kansas 25 pd last 2 years 4.35 40 40 vertical
331 Brock Hekking LB 6’3 250 Nevada played de in college 50 tfl 17 career sacks
332.Marcus Murphy kr/pr/rb Mizzou 5’8 195 elite st player
333. De’Vante Bausby CB Pittsburgh St 6’2 190 great pro day 20 pd last 2 season wow! Burst/quicknessznModeratorWell, there was no story there.
I kept waiting for a twist,
an anecdote, a dramatic surprise.
Wild Tapirs. Christian-Science Plots.
Robots. Somethin.w
vI liked the part where Bates found an infinity gem in his locker, but just forgot about any personal gain and passed it on to the Xanderians for safekeeping.
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April 6, 2015 at 11:07 pm in reply to: How do people feel about Foles right now, before anything else happens? #22275znModeratorI mean average in the strictest sense of the term…statistically speaking.
Hmm. Well I think an avg. qb—one right in the middle of the pack—
QB rating in the low 90s
Completion percentage around 63%
Around 240 yards a game
INT% around 2.2-2.4%
YPA around 7.2Let me see who I just described. ……….. (I am actually just now looking to see……) That is, who in 2014 does this describe?
Okay.
Joe Flacco
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April 6, 2015 at 8:57 pm in reply to: Linemen in the 2015 draft … including 2 good Cosell podcasts #22274znModeratorDeciding where college tackles fit on NFL offensive lines is no simple task
by Doug Farrar
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/04/03/nfl-draft-podcast-offensive-tackles-brandon-scherff-lael-collins
The two best rookie guards of 2014 were tackles on their college teams. Cowboys right guard Zack Martin was Notre Dame’s starting left tackle for three seasons, but his relatively limited athleticism projected him better as a guard. At the Senior Bowl, Martin lined up at guard and impressed the league enough for the Cowboys to take him with the 16th overall pick in the draft, marking the third time in four years that Dallas took an offensive lineman in the first round (Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick in 2011 and 2013, respectively). Martin was plugged in at right guard and immediately became the power pointman of an offensive line that re-defined the Cowboys’ running game, paving the way for DeMarco Murray to lead the league with 392 carries, 1,845 yards and 13 touchdowns.
The Browns face discouraging early returns on their two first-round draft picks in 2014—quarterback Johnny Manziel and cornerback Justin Gilbert are works-in-progress, at best—but they got it right in the second round when they selected Nevada tackle Joel Bitonio with the 35th pick. Like Martin, Bitonio had started his career taking snaps at guard but became the Wolf Pack’s starting left tackle in 2011 and never relinquished that job. Bitonio had the athleticism to play left tackle in the NFL, but his relatively short arms presented an issue, and the Browns saw him as their left guard of the future, lining up between two Pro Bowl-level players in left tackle Joe Thomas and center Alex Mack. As it turned out, the future was now for Bitonio; he excelled in his new role from the start, and there are some who believe he was even more effective than Martin was.
It’s a question personnel people have to ask themselves every draft season: Are the best tackle prospects better staying put or moving inside? It’s fairly common to take tackles with shorter arms, thicker midsections and less impressive movement skills and kick them in to the guard position, but the successful transitions are about more than taking a pudgy guy and changing his roster designation.
As Greg Cosell of NFL Films and ESPN’s NFL Matchup said in our most recent draft podcast, the evaluation process for NFL tackles is far from a uniform template, which complicates matters in studying the draft’s top offensive tackle prospects.
“It’s a great question, but it’s multi-faceted,” Cosell said. “If you think about the NFL—and that’s what we’re doing, we’re projecting these players to the NFL—there are a number of tackles in the NFL, even left tackles, if you were evaluating them now … you might say, ‘They’re not really NFL left tackles, but they’re playing left tackle in the NFL.’ You could argue that Andrew Whitworth, who is a very good NFL left tackle, fits that category. There are others who aren’t dancing bears. And I think when people think of left tackles, they like to think of really good athletes with really light, quick feet. But there just aren’t that many Walter Joneses and Orlando Paces out there.”
Whitworth, who has alternated between guard and tackle throughout his nine seasons with the Bengals, gave up the fewest total pressures of any starting left tackle in 2014, per Pro Football Focus: no sacks, one quarterback hit and eight quarterback hurries. Whitworth was able to do this without excellent speed or an optimal kick-step in pass protection because he’s an adept technician and an intense competitor who understands leverage and angles.
Whitworth is proof positive that not every successful NFL left tackle looks like a successful NFL left tackle. Iowa’s Brandon Scherff, who stands 6’5″ and weighs 319 pounds, could go either way. He may not be agile enough for teams that feature a quick-passing offense with fewer in-line tight end and multiple protections, but a balanced team like the Bengals—who found different kinds of value in Whitworth—might see him as the perfect edge protector. Like those before him, Scherff benefited from instruction at Iowa that is rich in fundamentals. It makes him more pro-ready, but he’s also been hit with the low ceiling label.
“You have to think when you watch a guy play … let’s take Brandon Scherff,” Cosell said. “He’s typical of this Iowa line of left tackles over the years. Bryan Bulaga came out of Iowa, he’s playing right tackle for Green Bay. Riley Reiff came out of Iowa, he’s playing left tackle for Detroit. When I look at Brandon Scherff, I would not say that he’s a dancing bear. If you’re looking for that ideal left tackle series of traits, I don’t think he’s that guy. But that doesn’t mean that he can’t play left tackle in the NFL, depending on what team takes him, and how that team runs an offense.”
Most agree that the top two tackles in the 2015 draft are Scherff and LSU’s La’el Collins. Collins is a different player—at 6’4″ and 305 pounds, he plays with tremendous in-line power and strength. But he’ll lunge at targets in space, he tends to let defenders roll off him because he has difficulty sustaining blocks and he may not be quick enough to adjust to inside counters and certain speed moves.
“I made the point in my notes that he was a badass as a run blocker,” Cosell said. “And that’s kind of what he is. But I think overall, he does have a desirable combination of natural power and athleticism. He took defensive linemen to the ground. He stayed on them. He was explosive off the ball. Now, you could also make the point that there were times when he fell off blocks. He’s clearly comfortable and powerful and explosive as a run-blocker. That’s the strength of his game. But he also has natural athleticism where he could work as a left or right tackle. If you’re delineating between positions, you’d probably look at him as a right tackle or left guard.”
In the end, it’s the scheme fit that will make the decisions for Scherff, Collins and every other potential hybrid lineman in this draft class. These are special players, but the teams that draft them will have to do their homework to understand and implement the best strategies for their individual talents.
April 6, 2015 at 12:50 pm in reply to: How do people feel about Foles right now, before anything else happens? #22250znModeratorFoles is somewhere between just below average at QB to the “tough, smart gamer” that wv mentions above. I think that’s his ceiling, and it’s quite a bit below Bradford’s ceiling.
Foles is kinda like the Rams Kaepernick. But, better.
And. Not as fast.
Since we have some time. What would you say is considered average at quarterback in the NFL. Ratings and statistically speaking.
You mean what is an average qb? Cause an “average” designation for a qb is NOT good. As in,”enh, he’s just average.” (Not talking about Foles, just in general.)
Cause with qbs you have good levels and then bad levels.
Or do you mean what’s average for a GOOD qb? A starting caliber qb you want to keep?
BTW it might be a few hours before I respond. That eerie entity out there they call “the real world” is demanding my presence.
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znModeratorKeeping tabs on Rams’ pre-draft visits
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17543/keeping-tabs-on-rams-pre-draft-visits
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The 30 pre-draft visits that each NFL team can have with incoming prospects have begun all over the league. Each team takes a different approach to the process.
For example, in Detroit, the Lions willingly share which prospects are visiting on which days and put that information out there for the public via their in-house reporter. As you’d expect with what St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher would call a “competitive” thing, the Rams are more secretive.
But in this day and age of social media and various other means, names tend to leak out, whether it’s before, during or after a visit. Some players announce it on their Twitter or Instagram accounts. Some agents confirm visits and many offer a list at their respective pro days.
Although we don’t know for sure exactly when the Rams started hosting prospects at Rams Park, some names have been put out there in the past week or so.
With that in mind, here’s a look at the players believed to have visited. Some have been confirmed, some have not — but it’s safe to say that this team is hunting offensive linemen. Fisher essentially said as much as the owners meetings when he acknowledged the team’s needs on the line and said this draft class was rich in offensive line prospects.
Alabama WR Amari Cooper (completed)
Stanford OT Andrus Peat (completed)
Duke OG Laken Tomlinson (completed)
Louisville OT Jamon Brown (completed)
Pittsburgh OT T.J. Clemmings (reported/expected)
Miami OT Ereck Flowers (reported/expected)
Baylor QB Bryce Petty (reported/expected)That’s just a sample of the players expected to visit or those that already have. Keep in mind, these 30 visits don’t mean a lot in the grand scheme. It certainly can be an indicator of interest, but taking it much beyond that is probably going too far. For example, the Rams have six picks in this draft. Of the names listed above, with the exception of Brown, it’s entirely possible the Rams might have a chance to draft only one of those players.
The pre-draft visits also can be a chance for teams to clean up any leftover work they didn’t get done at the Senior Bowl, scouting combine or during the season. They can get questions answered, have medical staff meet with prospects and can conduct just about anything else short of a workout.
Also, teams are entitled to visit with local prospects who played or are from within a certain radius of the team’s facility. Safety Maurice Alexander, who played at Utah State but is from the area, took such a visit last year before the Rams drafted him in the fourth round.
April 6, 2015 at 2:16 am in reply to: Linemen in the 2015 draft … including 2 good Cosell podcasts #22243znModeratorNew big merged thread all about this year’s OL crop.
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znModeratorHey ag. What do you think about me putting all the OL draft posts in the same thread?
Sounds good.
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znModeratorMock draft: Rams to select Iowa OL Scherff
13 hours ago • By Jim ThomasHey ag. What do you think about me putting all the OL draft posts in the same thread?
April 5, 2015 at 11:34 pm in reply to: OL in free agency … Barksdale, Blalock, Wisniewski, etc. #22192znModeratorI would like to sign Barksdale. I believe that I liked him more than most. But, when you look long range, past this year, it is probable that they can find a better player is this draft to take his position
I agree that it is better to sign him, that it’s not a long range plan, and that he should sign for value.
But.
First, I keep thinking about the fact that it is just not any kind of advantage to have a rookie ROT teamed up with a still developing GR at LOT. I don’t relish that thought.
Most rookie tackles struggle. So for example here are the PFF grades on the OTs taken in the 1st round in the last 2 drafts (PFF grades are not be all and end all but they are useful for discussion…I don’t find them to be wildly wrong):
Out of 84 graded:
Robinson …78th
Matthews…84th
Lewan…30th
James…80thFisher…72nd
Joeckel…67th
Johnson…13th
Fluker…56th
Pugh…40thOnly 1 above 30. Most are in the bottom 33% (6 of 9 to be exact). 2 are in the middle 33%. The only one in the top 33%, Johnson, was 48th out of 76 the year he was drafted, which would have been the low end of the middle 33%.
2nd, one wise way to approach drafting OL is to play tackles at guard. Not only can tackles play guard, but if you genuinely believe in versatility, that means tackles at guard are possible injury replacements at tackle. Not even necessarily during the season, but from one season to another. So let’s say GR doesn’t want to sign with the Rams when he’s up as a free agent, or Barksdale signs a short-term deal and so leaves sooner rather than later. During the off-season, you take your tackle converted to a guard and convert him back to tackle. It just multiplies your options. Allows you to meet situations with more flexibility.
znModeratorthe process can take up to two years to complete.
This is a pretty grizzly story.
April 5, 2015 at 5:02 pm in reply to: minor side-issue: no one will ever "win" the Schott debates #22181znModeratorI liked shotty, mostly in the Red Zone. But, I was not always a fan of some of his play designs. Too often, they seemed to rely on fooling the opposition, is the best way I can put it.
It’s true that he relied a lot on misdirection and deception. That to me was part of the whole “he’s predictable” thing too, paradoxically. He would run plays to the strength of the formation—meaning, if it was 3 TEs he would run, if it was 3 WRs he would throw–because he was trying to set up simple physical mismatches. But then just when you thought he was going to run another one up the middle, wham, they would throw a long pass to a blocking TE. That kind of thing. Run plays to the strength of the formation but do that as a way to set up big plays. That’s a very Schott thing. When it worked it worked.
But then here I am STILL engaging in the debate I said that can’t be resolved now…………
I know! Let’s start a “what would happen if both Bradford and Schott stayed and they brought back a healthy Jake Long” discussion!
Kidding.
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April 5, 2015 at 3:48 pm in reply to: minor side-issue: no one will ever "win" the Schott debates #22177znModeratori suspect Shotty could have made things easier
for TavonThat points to the one universal criticism of Schott I have seen that appears to hold up. His offense is too complicated. It builds variations into plays, relies on heavy sight adjustments, and the plays as called have a lot of verbiage and moving parts. They said that in New York; Fisher sort of said it himself when he talked about “simplifying.” My bet is that, yeah, something like that could contribute to Tavon’s slow emergence as a receiver. But I also think…he said, re-living the war that he himself just stated was not meaningful…that Tavon himself needs to refine his techniques and awareness as a route runner.
April 5, 2015 at 3:39 pm in reply to: OL in free agency … Barksdale, Blalock, Wisniewski, etc. #22176znModeratorThe Rams signed Joseph on May 28th last year. The draft ended May 10th. The Rams will probably move faster on Barksdale … cause they have more to do this year. imo
Barksdale has played just fine for a right OT when he wasn’t the only decent healthy vet lineman playing. The advantage of signing him, along with him knowing the system and the coaches knowing him, is that they won;t have to start a rookie or inexperienced tackle while also starting a still green, still learning 2nd tackle. Or, if it all falls the wrong way and becomes the worst case scenario, starting 3 rookies (G, C, T).
Here are Barksdale’s PFF grades. PFF isn’t everything, but this is pretty clear. The big difference you see here comes from after the Chiefs game in 2014, when the line got 3 guys injured in one day and therefore had to move GR to LOT and play Wells and Saffold hurt.
The Chiefs game is game 8, 2014. It’s the 1st of the 3 consecutive red grade in the middle.
2013:
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znModeratorThe fifth year option salary for Brockers will be based on the top 3rd through 25th DL salaries from 2014. If, last year, Suh was one of the top two then his salary will not be figured into that average. Nor will any contracts for the 2015 season.
Because there was an increase in salaries from 2013 to 2014 due to the large increase in the cap, I would guess that the fifth year option for Brockers will be close to $7.7M or even more. That would represent a 10% rise.
Sounds about right.
Just as a reminder (I know you know this TD)—the 5th year option has to be exercised by May 3 this year.
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znModeratorI think the issue is that Foles wasn’t as good throwing deep in 2014 as in 2013.
That’s not to disagree with your basic point that throwing long has value above and beyond completions.
I haven’t done some the huge amounts of homework that many poster have. It seems to me the Foles does not possess Bradford’s “center-of-target” accuracy. Foles does better on touch passes and has almost zero passes knocked down. That is pretty limited, but it is what I think.
I think Bradford, with that strong arm and quick release and pretty good long accuracy, was just a pretty as chocolate cake long thrower. Foles isn’t that. But you are right IMO about the 2 Foles’s advantages you list there.
To me a big thing is whether a qb is clutch. Bradford wasn’t in his first 2 years and then became that. Foles was that last year (without having as many comeback situations the year before). That counts a lot in my book.
April 5, 2015 at 4:16 am in reply to: Linemen in the 2015 draft … including 2 good Cosell podcasts #22153znModeratorfrom off the net …. To me this post does not mean you shouldn’t draft linemen high. In fact this is a good year to do it (if there’s value of course). To me, this post is just a reminder that OLs also have guys who are not traditional high picks as part of the mix.
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here are the top 10 olines for 2015 according to a couple of sources that put together this type of info… the table shows the guy who started the most games at the given position for his team, the round he was drafted, and whether or not he was acquired from another team (red font). excluding left tackles, who are typically high picks, the rest of the field is made up of 15 guys taken in rounds 1 & 2 vs 25 guys taken in rounds 3 through udfa. in fact over 25% of the rest of the field were taken in rounds 5 or later. then there’s the dolphins’ offensive line, who folks rated as the league’s worst in 2015, which was made up of 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders.
znModeratorI wish they would also include any defensive penalties called, although then it wouldn’t even be included in the attempts column in this data. I would also like to know what down the attempts were made. I give some credit for passes that could be viewed a punting the ball. Hail Mary’s too. The deep pass brings more into the equation than just completions. imo
I think the issue is that Foles wasn’t as good throwing deep in 2014 as in 2013.
That’s not to disagree with your basic point that throwing long has value above and beyond completions.
znModeratorI think he gets traded on draft day to the Browns…the Browns then try to trade with us for the 10th pick, Amari Cooper. Alas poor Cleveland, Fisher says we isn’t going to be Blackmon mad again. 😉
Or, the Rams give the Browns Cooper, and take the Browns #1 pick plus Bradford.
znModerator.
I am not arguing Sanchez is better than Foles, cause, ugh what an idea, but this bit just has some info about Foles in 2014. From this article: Mark Sanchez has been more effective than Nick Foles
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/Mark-Sanchez-has-been-more-effective.html
ESPN hypothesizes that Sanchez’s success may be the result of a quicker release. From ESPN:
“Sanchez’s passes have been thrown an average of 2.45 seconds after the snap this season, quicker than Foles’ 2.73-second average. The difference might seem minimal, but of the 39 quarterbacks with 100 passes this season, Sanchez’s time from snap to release ranks as the 11th-quickest. Foles’ ranks 33rd.”
Less looks downfield may also play a part in Sanchez’s statistical superiority over Foles. Again from ESPN:
“One of Foles’ biggest faults this season was his deep passing. Foles threw the ball at least 30 yards past the line of scrimmage 22 times this season. He hasn’t played since Week 9, and that’s still within three of the league lead. Foles completed four of those passes (18.2 percent), and although three of those were touchdowns, he also had four interceptions deep. Sanchez has done a better job of picking his spots, going 3-of-6 on passes thrown at least 330 yards downfield with no interceptions.”
znModeratorI’m a little skeptical that he held the ball 4.8 seconds
that many times. Thats an eternity.Turns out it’s real. The number is right here.
https://pff-pffanalysisltd12.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Greater-Than-3.6-Seconds.png
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rwillinnable
I have the NFL package and watch most every game. I focused on Robinson often. Last season I saw an outrageously talented and strong kid who if he got his hands on someone, he just dominated them. By outrageously, I mean physically he is a freak. His strength and athleticism are cartoonish at times. If he uses proper technique, he can’t be beat. But too many times his technique is poor and I saw him on more than one occasion get confused about who he was supposed to block.
I recognize that he should’ve been a junior at Auburn last year and he had zero experience in a pro style offense, but I’m really hoping we see some technical and awareness improvement this season because physically, the sky is the limit.
znModeratorWhat is important is not the actual dollar amount, but the relative positions of each team. The Rams are in the top 10 for the coming years. We are in good shape to keep who we want. imo
Good stuff. Thnx
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gqscholar
In 2013, most of his sacks came from him holding the ball longer then 3.6 seconds (avg 4.8 seconds). 21 of Nick 28 sacks happened when he held the ball longer on avg of 4.8 seconds. No line can protect all day. When you hold the ball on avg of 4.8 seconds over 60 attempts you will get sacked.
When Nick got the ball out before 3.6 seconds he was only sacked twice over 44 attempts. When he got the ball out under 2.5 seconds, which he did 83 times, he only got sacked once.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/16/qbs-in-focus-time-to-throw/
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A.J. Hicks
I’ve gone back and watched almost every Nick Foles throw from the Eagles (I’m getting close and still working at it). There are a lot of things I like and a lot of things to gripe about. . .
I’m really pretty optimistic that Foles will fit well with our team.
PROS:
Will Throw Deep
Play Action (Not Bradford but can be dangerous)
Shows strong in comeback situations
Strong in the Pocket – Like Ben and has shown ability to move around
Seems to fit a Run First Team
Knows when to throw it awayCONS:
Doesn’t always set feet (Innaccuracy)
Poor out of Pistol Play Action
Not good against NFC West
System guy?
Key–SET FEET (I think this could change his career)April 4, 2015 at 5:15 pm in reply to: How do people feel about Foles right now, before anything else happens? #22121znModeratorfrom off the net
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merlin
I believe that Weinke as QB coach was a fantastic hire. I like that Cigs has said his QB coach will have room to do his job because when coupled with the quality of the hire I think Foles’ problem areas from last season (degradation of fundamentals that were solid in 2013) are going to be heavily addressed throughout camp as they make their offensive adjustments and there is a good chance they get him back on track.
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