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znModeratorIfedi sounds iffy.
As someone recently pointed out, last year, more UDFAs made the team than low-round picks did.
znModeratorSt. Louis Rams: 5 Undrafted Rookies with Best Chances to Make the Roster
by Patrick Karraker
This doesn;t say anything.
Sometimes I don’t read em till I post em.
if Williams can push himself ahead of at least five of those players, he’ll have a decent shot at ending up with a practice squad position.
he could create a roster spot for himself much like Roberson, an undrafted player who was once seen as a potential first-rounder, did a year ago.
But if he shows enough ability as a blocker to open holes for the Rams’ runners, he could become a useful weapon in the Rams’ offense
Yes and what is it about these particular players that makes them worthy of all this if/could speculation as opposed to the other UDFAs?
If player X does well, he could make it.
Why player X? As opposed to player Y? Well because if Player X does well, he could get some serious consideration. That’s why.

znModeratorSt. Louis Rams: 5 Undrafted Rookies with Best Chances to Make the Roster
by Patrick Karraker
Since Jeff Fisher and Les Snead took over the management of the St. Louis Rams’ personnel in 2012, the organization has given plenty of chances to undrafted free agents. Fisher, a former seventh-rounder himself, seems to identify with the players who come into camp as underdogs and put it all on the line to earn a roster spot. Over the three years that Fisher and Snead have been in charge, the Rams have had a total of 13 undrafted rookies make their opening 53-man roster out of training camp, and several of them, including starting safety Rodney McLeod, core special-teamer Daren Bates, and quarterback Austin Davis, who started for much of 2014, have ended up playing key roles down the road.
Now that the Rams have accumulated a rather significant group of players that the Fisher/Snead administration has drafted, it might be a bit tougher for undrafted rookies to force themselves onto the roster. (Then again, we would have thought the same thing last summer after the Rams drafted 11 players, but four undrafted rookies ended up making the team while the last five draft picks didn’t.)
Here are five undrafted rookies who might have an edge when it comes to making the roster this season.
5. Darrell Williams, OT
Seeing as the Rams drafted four offensive linemen this April, you’d think that there would be nary a spot for an undrafted lineman on the 53-man roster (and you’d most likely be right). With that said, the Rams’ offensive line group is going to be very open to competition this summer, and if the 6-foot-5, 307-pound Williams creates enough of an impression, he’d definitely have a chance at earning a spot in some form or fashion.
When it comes down to it, the Rams will need to have at least 10 offensive linemen between the active roster and practice squad to conduct regular season practices. The Rams currently have 15 linemen on the 90-man roster, so if Williams can push himself ahead of at least five of those players, he’ll have a decent shot at ending up with a practice squad position.
4. Imoan Claiborne, CB
Claiborne, a 5-foot-11, 187-pounder out of Northwestern State, was projected by many to be a third or fourth-rounder in this year’s draft. For some reason, he ultimately ended up going undrafted, but he’ll have a chance to prove all the teams that passed on him wrong this summer. Claiborne’s likely going to face a serious roster crunch, as the Rams have five corners who could compete for playing time from scrimmage (Janoris Jenkins, E.J. Gaines, Trumaine Johnson, Lamarcus Joyner, and Marcus Roberson) and will also be taking one last look at 2013 fifth-rounder Brandon McGee.
With that said, Claiborne will compete during OTAs and training camp to try to earn a depth spot on the roster or practice squad. As a highly-regarded undrafted free agent acquisition, he could create a roster spot for himself much like Roberson, an undrafted player who was once seen as a potential first-rounder, did a year ago.
3. Malcolm Brown, RB
Brown’s going to have an uphill battle to make the Rams’ roster, as the team already has first-rounder Todd Gurley and five other running backs with previous NFL experience: Tre Mason, Benny Cunningham, Trey Watts, Chase Reynolds, and Isaiah Pead. With that said, Brown was considered by many to be a draftable talent in the late rounds, and he could push someone like Watts or Reynolds for a roster spot if he shows strong skills on special teams.
The 5-foot-11, 224-pounder showed some solid skills as a collegiate player at Texas, particularly as a junior, when he ran for 904 yards and nine touchdowns on 214 attempts. He also showed strong skills as a receiver out of the backfield. Brown will have a challenge ahead of him because he has to prove himself as both a talented runner and special-teamer, but as one of the Rams’ more esteemed college free agents, he should have at least a solid chance to end up on the practice squad.
2. Zach Laskey, FB
There’s been talk about the Rams trying to find a “traditional fullback”—the gritty, hard-nosed, linebacker-like blocking specimen of yesteryear—as they attempt to go all-in on a ground-and-pound running attack. Cory Harkey has done a decent job of filling the de facto fullback role over the past couple years, but if the Rams could find another player to fill at least some of those responsibilities, it would allow Harkey to provide depth at his natural position of tight end.
That’s where undrafted free agent Zach Laskey comes into the picture. Laskey seems to profile less as a legitimate fullback and more like a running back who occasionally lead blocks, as he accumulated 171 carries for 851 yards and nine touchdowns as a senior in Georgia Tech’s option offense. But if he shows enough ability as a blocker to open holes for the Rams’ runners, he could become a useful weapon in the Rams’ offense similar to former Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson, a converted tailback who could block capably but was most useful as an additional running and receiving threat.
1. Louis Trinca-Pasat, DT
It seems as if Trinca-Pasat, a Senior Bowl participant who many projected as a mid-round pick, may have a spot to lose on the Rams’ 53-man roster. The team has carried four defensive tackles in Jeff Fisher’s first three years as head coach, and there’s little reason to believe that they won’t do the same this year while facing the ground-and-pound offensive attacks of the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco 49ers twice each.
The Rams only have three obvious candidates to fill the defensive tackle spots in Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers, and Nick Fairley, so there will be a job for the taking. Doug Worthington, who has seen brief action for the Washington Redskins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, could take that spot, but he hasn’t really shown anything to prove that he’s an NFL-caliber talent over his first five years in the league. Ethan Westbrooks, a hybrid end/tackle, could theoretically fill the role, but he might not be big enough to hold up as a run defender on the interior.
The 6-foot-1, 290-pound Trinca-Pasat would be a solid fit as the fourth defensive tackle, since he has enough pass-rushing ability to back up Donald and Fairley, having collected 6.5 sacks during his senior year at Iowa, and he’s also sturdy enough to fill Brockers’ nose tackle role in a pinch if needed. With Donald, Brockers, and Fairley all considered starting-caliber players, it could be possible for the Rams to survive with just three defensive tackles this year, but if they keep four again, Trinca-Pasat is probably the favorite for the final spot.
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I think Williams was our 3nd to last udfa signed…just a camp body
Tyler Slavin and Imoan Claiborne are great st players..they could easily make the team. ditto Cameron Lynch as a lber.
Rams paid Trinca-Pasat buku bucks so he has a great chance and Malcolm Brown should beat out Pead..he needs to go.
Hammer does some good stuff, but he isn’t one of the guys that I automatically give credibility too. I don’t really agree with much he has in that post. I like Malone and Hagan better than any player he mentioned.
Imoan Claiborne, CB, 5-10, 193 Northwestern State (La) — Played well enough in college to earn an invitation to the Senior Bowl after posting three interceptions and four fumble recoveries in 2014. Said he had a “large number” of teams calling for his services as the draft came to an end.
Tyler Slavin, WR, 6-1, 201 New Mexico Highlands — Finished with 119 catches for 1,418 yards and 17 touchdowns in 2014. Started his career at Arizona before transferring.
Cameron Lynch, LB, 6-0, 229 Syracuse –A team captain, Lynch finished with 97 tackles and seven sacks in 2014. There’s room to fight for a roster spot at linebacker but special teams will play a key role in that.
Louis Trinca-Pasat, DT, 6-1, 290 Iowa — From a Romanian family in which he’s the only one of five kids born in the United States, Trinca-Pasat went to the Senior Bowl and Scouting Combine but went undrafted. He finished with 69 tackles and 6.5 sacks last season.
Keshaun Malone, LB, 6-2, 260 Bacone — For the second year in a row, the Rams added a defensive player from tiny Bacone after working with defensive tackle Deantre Harlan last year. Earned his conference’s defensive player of the year award in 2014 when he had 135 tackles and five interceptions
Jacob Hagen, S, 6-2, 205 Liberty — Earned a reputation as something of a ballhawk in 2014, finishing with eight interceptions, four forced fumbles and 108 tackles.
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znModeratorIs that new?
Or have we got all that information from posters in the past?
I think i remember reading some griping
about it from reporters last year.The great thing about the net is, for every question, there is a search.
http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,358701,358701
May 15, 2013
Reporters may not tweet from practice, and media members may not at any point report details on personnel groups, formations, specific plays, or any information that would compromise the team’s strategic efforts. The Rams have a zero tolerance policy regarding the dissemination of strategic information gathered from practice.
znModeratorIs that new?
Or have we got all that information from posters in the past?
Off the top of my head? That’s not new. That’s from vague memory.
znModeratorDoes Wagoner still work for the Rams?
No, he works for espn now.
May 26, 2015 at 4:28 pm in reply to: take an early guess…what will the offensive approach be? #25307
znModeratorI hope ta GOD that the Rams Offense
can finally, master the medium-passing-game.Lord, do i miss that.
Yeah. 15 yards and a cloud of nitrous oxide fumes.
The old days.
znModeratorWhy Sam Bradford Can Excel in Chip Kelly’s Offense
By Cian Fahey ,
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2392065-why-sam-bradford-can-excel-in-chip-kellys-offense
Quarterback-for-quarterback trades in the NFL are very rare. Trades that involve starting quarterbacks are even less common. Unsurprisingly, Chip Kelly isn’t scared of blazing a trail.
Now with personnel control of the Philadelphia Eagles, Kelly acquired former first overall draft pick Sam Bradford from the St. Louis Rams for Nick Foles, per ESPN’s Adam Schefter. Foles entered the 2014 season as the Eagles’ starting quarterback, but the offer of Bradford and a “swap of picks,” per NFL.com’s Albert Breer, proved to be too much.
A huge amount of speculation has surrounded Kelly and his quarterback position this offseason. Most of that has been focused on Marcus Mariota, the Oregon prospect who is expected to go in the top 10 of the upcoming draft.
It’s still possible that Kelly is chasing after his former college quarterback. Bradford and the second-round pick reported by ESPN.com’s Phil Sheridan could simply be added to the team’s arsenal of assets for a potential trade up into the top five with the Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Oakland Raiders or Washington.
While that’s still a possibility, Bradford could also be the quarterback whom Kelly intends to start in 2015.
As this article discusses in depth, Bradford’s situation in St. Louis has dramatically hurt his statistical production. The 27-year-old missed a lot of time on the field through injury, including two torn ACLs over the past two seasons, but when he was on the field, he didn’t have a consistent running game or pass protection while his receivers struggled to get open and catch the ball.
Furthermore, Bradford was playing in Brian Schottenheimer’s offense. Schottenheimer is widely disdained for his lack of creativity and overall ability as a coordinator.
It’s blatantly obvious that Bradford will get better support if he stays in Philadelphia. Even though the Eagles lost Frank Gore, as the Colts announced his acquisition Tuesday, traded LeSean McCoy and couldn’t re-sign Jeremy Maclin, they still have Kelly’s scheme and enough talent to be more than just an average unit with good quarterback play.
Good quarterback play is what Bradford can give the Eagles offense. In a vacuum, Bradford has always been a good NFL quarterback. It’s not widely accepted because to come to this conclusion, you need to be able to isolate his performances from the offense in which he has played.
Bradford’s greatest strength is his accuracy.

The above chart tracks Bradford’s accurate and inaccurate passes from the 2013 season. He missed all of the 2014 season after tearing his ACL during the preseason, so this was the last time that he was on the field during the regular season.
It’s clear that Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer when throwing the ball fewer than 10 yards downfield. His deep accuracy looks worse because the ratio of accurate-to-inaccurate throws broadens, but that is to be expected when throwing the ball farther downfield.
To get an idea of how impressive Bradford’s accuracy is overall, we must compare his chart to that of other quarterbacks. For an Eagles perspective, the best quarterback to compare him to is Foles.

As this chart highlights, a vast number of Foles’ targets during the 2013 season were behind the line of scrimmage. That year was Foles’ best with Philadelphia. Foles’ accuracy on these throws was mostly effective, but that should be expected of quarterbacks at this level.
His flaws became more apparent when he was asked to push the ball deeper downfield.
Foles was at his best throwing to intermediate routes directed toward the sideline. He was able to consistently give his receivers opportunities to catch the ball in those areas. However, his shorter accuracy often strained receivers unnecessarily, and his deep accuracy was simply bad.
In Kelly’s offense, Foles was regularly throwing deep passes into sizable windows. This helped his raw accuracy statistics, as he was able to simply float the ball downfield for his open receivers to run underneath.
Bradford didn’t have that advantage in St. Louis. Instead, he had the opposite.
Therefore, Bradford’s ability to throw the deep ball should be considered much more advanced than that of Foles. More specifically, Bradford’s ability to throw the deep ball should go a long way toward helping Kelly maximize the potential of his offense as a whole.
On this play against the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2013, Bradford shows off his impressive arm talent:

As they have so often done under Gus Bradley, the Jaguars come out showing a Cover 3 look before the snap. Bradford is under center with an offset fullback and one receiver outside of the numbers to each side of the field.
The receiver to his right, Austin Pettis, is whom Bradford is going to throw the ball to.

Pettis was initially lined up to the wide side of the field. His positioning against the Cover 3 that the defense was hinting at and his route that would take him down the sideline meant that he was always going to be Bradford’s best option on this play.
After carrying out the play fake and holding the deep safety to the near side of the field with his eyes, Bradford begins his throwing motion.
At this point, Pettis has created no separation against the defensive back. He is not even level with the defender as he accelerates into his route. Pettis is primarily a possession receiver who lacks size and doesn’t have long speed to be an adequate deep threat in this situation.
Therefore, Bradford must throw him open.

With exceptional arm strength and the perfect trajectory and placement, Bradford is able to lead Pettis to space behind the defensive back. Bradford puts the ball outside, away from the defensive back in a spot where only his wide receiver can catch the ball.
Covering that much ground through the air could lead you to think that he was simply lucky with the positioning of the ball, but that doesn’t jibe with the rest of Bradford’s tape.
He was consistently able to throw his receivers open in St. Louis, but those receivers weren’t consistently able to take advantage of the opportunities he provided. That kind of accuracy is what Kelly’s offense has been lacking with Michael Vick, Foles and Mark Sanchez in recent years.
With the accuracy in place, Bradford also needs to demonstrate his intelligence in terms of reading defenses consistently and making the types of plays that Kelly asks his quarterback to make.
During his time with the Rams, Bradford defaulted to caution. He typically appeared to be too cautious on the broadcast game tape, but the All-22 often revealed that he was being cautious because he had no options downfield. Being cautious was usually the smarter alternative.
He is a pocket passer with decent athleticism. That athleticism may be diminished now after two ACL tears, but it’s not the foundation of his success.

Back in Week 1 of the 2013 season, Rams tight end Jared Cook and rookie Arizona Cardinals safety Tyrann Mathieu combined for one of the more memorable plays of the year. Mathieu caught Cook from behind to punch the ball away as he was running into the end zone.
That was notable because of what Mathieu and Cook did, but Bradford made it happen by executing a very Kelly-like play.

From the shotgun, Bradford carries out a play fake with the running back who initially lined up to his right. This wasn’t the full extent of the play fake, though, as the Rams also pulled the right guard across the formation to sell the run as much as possible.
On the back end, the coverage has been left with man assignments underneath and one deep safety to the left of the offense.

Because the play fake was so effective, the Cardinals had two linebackers caught in no-man’s land underneath. As they attempted to recover their positions, Bradford was sitting deep in a completely clean pocket, watching the deep safety down the seam.
Bradford has to hold on to the ball to allow his routes to develop before making his decision based on what the deep safety does.

At the perfect time, Bradford decides to throw the ball to his closer seam route, which Cook is running. Cook squeezes in behind the defender covering him, but he hasn’t created significant separation downfield.
Bradford could attempt to float the ball down the field for him to run underneath, but there are defenders in position to come across and disrupt his tight end at the catch point if he does. Instead, he is able to alter the trajectory of his pass to fit it around the cornerback and hit Cook in stride.
Cook doesn’t have to slow down at any point, and the cornerback never has a chance to prevent the completion. This was a perfect play from the quarterback.
In recent times, Kelly has used similar principles to these in order to attack the defense deep down the field. The design and overall quality of his offense has often led to wide-open receivers, though, so even this play is more difficult than the average one Bradford would need to make in the Eagles offense.
The Rams didn’t trade Bradford to the Eagles because he doesn’t have the potential to be a very good player. They traded him because of his injury history and salary.
Bradford is a significantly better player than Foles despite the Rams’ willingness to jettison him.
znModeratorfrom off the net
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thehammerI think Williams was our 3nd to last udfa signed…just a camp body
Tyler Slavin and Imoan Claiborne are great st players..they could easily make the team. ditto Cameron Lynch as a lber.
Rams paid Trinca-Pasat buku bucks so he has a great chance and Malcolm Brown should beat out Pead..he needs to go.
May 26, 2015 at 9:40 am in reply to: Nick Foles of the St. Louis Rams talks about the upcoming NFL season #25289
znModeratorSt. Louis Rams quarterback Nick Foles talks to Palmer Alexander III of The St. Louis American about the upcoming NFL season. Foles talks about what it will take to build a winner and his first impressions of St. Louis.
RamBill
Foles: “I have to play consistently, play smart, and at times, pull the trigger and get the ball down field.” (1:57)May 26, 2015 at 9:34 am in reply to: Daniel Rodriguez was the only player at Rams Park with a Purple Heart #25287
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znModeratorfrom The NFL Statistical Crystal Ball: What 2014’s Numbers Can Tell Us About 2015
Defensive Touchdowns Allowed
Let’s run one more stat out there. There’s no year-to-year relationship when examining the number of points a team allows on safeties and fumble and interception returns. Even teams that throw a lot of picks or fumble away a lot of footballs manage to stumble into a tackle or have defenders fall over to even things out.
Take last year’s leader in points allowed, the Bears, who started Jay Cutler for 15 games and lived to tell the tale. Even as the combination of Cutler and Josh McCown enjoyed a dynamite season in 2013, Marc Trestman’s bunch allowed a staggering 44 points directly on turnovers. The Bears actually turned the ball over more frequently in 2014 (29 giveaways to 23), but even with Cutler sacrificing footballs to the opposition on a team that had given up on its coach by December, Chicago only allowed two defensive scores for a total of 12 points in 2014.
Yes, 44 points is a lot, but somehow, there’s one team that managed to go even higher in 2014. Who propped fantasy football defenses up last year?

Oh my. That’s eight defensive touchdowns allowed by the Rams, which doesn’t even include the 99-yard kick return they allowed to Knile Davis. Want to give your team a frustrating, unfair stat with no possible route to improvement besides variance, Jeff Fisher? The Rams were 0-8 in the games where they gave up a return touchdown last year (including that Chiefs game) and 6-2 in the ones where they didn’t cough up a TD. That stat isn’t super meaningful — any record is going to look worse when you put a team down by at least one touchdown as part of the split — but it’s instructive in thinking about just how self-destructive St. Louis was last season.
Elsewhere, three teams managed to make it through the entire season without allowing any points on offense!2 Nary a single team managed to do that in 2013. The Chiefs win the consistency award, with their hyper-conservative offense having allowed only a single safety to opposing defenses in both 2013 and 2014. They technically allowed a fumble return for a touchdown during the 2013 playoffs, but of course, that was by Andrew Luck.
znModeratorMorning Ram-blings: Carson gaining steam?
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/18712/morning-ram-blings-carson-gaining-steam
EARTH CITY, Mo. — At last week’s springs owners meetings in San Francisco, there was plenty of discussion about which project had the advantage in the NFL’s race to return to Los Angeles.
In this week’s mailbag, ESPN senior NFL writer John Clayton leads the weekly piece with some whispers that perhaps the Carson project backed by the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders has caught up to or even passed Stan Kroenke’s Inglewood stadium.
Clayton writes that the Chargers/Raiders project in Carson “gained plenty of momentum” during the owners meetings and he wasn’t the only one to leave with that impression. Over at CBSSports.com, Jason La Canfora posited that the Carson project is in the lead but Inglewood will battle until the very end.
Of course, there are plenty of others who believe the Inglewood stadium is out in front and might not be caught. NFL.com’s Albert Breer offered one such take and he’s not alone in that feeling.
The reality is that nobody really knows how this is going to play out and there are plenty of twists and turns that still await. I still tend to believe that Kroenke’s deep pockets and better proposal will win out but if St. Louis continues to progress toward a stadium on the north riverfront and Carson proves viable, it stands to reason the league could side with Carson.
Just like with everything else involved in this discussion, the wait and see approach remains the way to go.
May 26, 2015 at 8:28 am in reply to: take an early guess…what will the offensive approach be? #25280
znModeratorMy view on things like this is that there are different kinds of offense and they can all work if you have the players and make it work. So I don’t pre-judge offenses and insist there’s only one kind. And to me, anyway, a coordinator is good if he uses what he has to advantage, not if he chases some idea of “good offense” in spite of what he has (see McDaniels in 2011).
So how will Cigs call plays? What’s the offensive approach?
Well, it LOOKS LIKE, in terms of pure appearances, that they will be (I think) a balanced offense, with a combination of power running, ball control, and play action passing. What we don’t know is if Cigs has the Schottenheimer knack for setting up big plays of all kinds.
Just to articulate things in the clear, and name the obvious, the advantages of power running/ball control passing/play action are: minimizing turnovers, controlling the clock, keeping the defense off the field, being physical first and wearing the opposing defense down. It’s a time-honored approach and works when it has the players. And of course play action takes advantage of all that.
I think right now it’s fairly safe to say that approach fits the offensive personnel.
Even last year when the OL was all busted up they could run the ball (4.1 an attempt which given what they had with a multiply injured OL, was not bad at all…it ranked 17th, which frankly is better than we should have expected.)
They have a group of receivers who can fight for the ball in space and make catches on off-target throws (Britt, Quick, Bailey).
They have a TE who can run block, pass block, and catch from any position in the formation, which means that if he is on the field he doesn’t tip what you’re doing (I mean of course Kendricks).
They have a young OL which as we all know is just probably going to be better at run blocking than pass protection.
And they have a qb whose long ball accuracy has been up and down, but who is at his best when he gets rid of the ball quickly.
They have a stable of RBs which, if Gurley comes back as expected, might be the best unit as a whole in the league. And all 3 of their major backs can catch, too.
So it seems to me that given what we know now, so far, using that bunch to play a tough ball control/play action game is ideal. Plus this off-season they stripped the offense down a bit to focus on execution. IMO that means (I think) that they reduced the variations and sight adjustments etc. built into plays and are going to focus instead on
Is this the consensus? Seems like it is.
I didn’t mention Cook and Tavon. But you can work guys like that in, depending on their development level. You can use them to stress the defense in different ways.
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znModeratorIn the case of LA the new valuation of the team will be a windfall for Kroenke before any work is done on a stadium. He didn’t earn that. The NFL earned that.
That’s the part I noticed the most in what you wrote.
Here’s more on that:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/05/l-a-transfer-fees-could-be-up-to-500-million/
The league’s relocation policy expressly states that a relocating team “will ordinarily be expected to pay a transfer fee to the League,” aimed at compensating other teams for the loss of the opportunity to move to the new market themselves and/or accounting for the enhanced value of the franchise arising from the move.
znModeratorIn the case of LA the new valuation of the team will be a windfall for Kroenke before any work is done on a stadium. He didn’t earn that. The NFL earned that.
That’s the part I noticed the most in what you wrote.
Here’s more on that:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/05/l-a-transfer-fees-could-be-up-to-500-million/
The league’s relocation policy expressly states that a relocating team “will ordinarily be expected to pay a transfer fee to the League,” aimed at compensating other teams for the loss of the opportunity to move to the new market themselves and/or accounting for the enhanced value of the franchise arising from the move.
znModeratorI’m getting ‘more’ mentally lazy in my old age. Actually, the doubling rule of thumb thing would have it at 30 X 2 = 60 X 2 = 120 X 2 = 240 so 240 Million is approximate answer and then add to it whatever the LA market glamour factor. If one doesn’t think it’s worth much, let the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim owner know that too.
I’m not even sure I understand the principle
behind the “relocation fee.” Why, exactly
does one owner have to pay the other owners money
in order to move a team? Whats the logic there?w
vI don’t have a direct answer to that, but it’s from not knowing all the info, not because there might not be one. There might be a good answer. I will say this. NFL teams aren’t “owned” in the traditional sense…they are franchises, and and owners are bound by league regs and rules, which they agree to. In fact the league can fail to approve a sale to a particular prospective owner.
znModeratorfrom PRO FOOTBALL; Rams Given Green Light for St. Louis Move
April 13, 1995
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/13/sports/pro-football-rams-given-green-light-for-st-louis-move.html
The Rams must pay a franchise relocation fee of $29 million. Tagliabue said that money would probably go to N.F.L. Charities.
May 25, 2015 at 8:55 am in reply to: Joe Barksdale agrees to terms on one-year deal with San Diego – INTERESTING. #25246
znModerator@nwagoner: I don’t think it’s all that complicated. Barksdale’s side overestimated his value. The Rams had interest in bringing him back as far back as last year but only at a certain price (think something in the range of $2.5 million to $3 million annually). Barksdale bet on himself and believed the market would come his way. He didn’t get any offers in that range and the Rams and other teams began looking at their options. Again, the
Rams liked him but they didn’t love him, and even as far back as the 2014 offseason, they viewed right tackle as a position they could upgrade. So as the offseason goes on and nothing materializes, the Rams might still have interest in him, but you have to remember that many times in these scenarios, egos can get in the way. A player might get his feelings hurt if he doesn’t get what he expected to get and it can be hard to go back to the same locker room after that happens. So it became pretty clear, even before the draft, that the two sides were headed for a breakup. The Rams drafting four offensive linemen only sealed the deal, but this was a long time coming. And while some might argue that the Rams could have signed him for a little more than the Chargers did, it’s almost certain that wouldn’t happen because he wasn’t going to come back at such a low price to compete for a job he believed should have been his for a much higher price in the first place.Jim Thomas
Barksdale contract
The now former Rams right tackle, Joe Barksdale, signed a one-year, $1.1 million free-agent contract with the San Diego Chargers last week. It has a $350,000 signing bonus and a $745,000 base salary. Barksdale’s base salary is the minimum for a player with four to six years NFL experience.
Incentives tied to playing time can add $1 million more to Barksdale’s total, putting the overall value at $2.1 million. Even so, that’s less than the Rams were offering at the start of free agency, according to team sources.
It’s clear that Barksdale overestimated his market value.
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Undrafted bonuses
Among the 16 rookie free agents signed by the Rams after the draft, Iowa defensive tackle Louis Trinca-Pasat received the largest signing bonus — $15,000. A total of $25,000 overall is guaranteed in his deal.
All of these undrafted rookie deals are three-year contracts with minimum base salaries each year. So depending on the size of the signing bonuses, they range in potential value from $1.575 million to $1.590 million. Assuming, of course, the players make the team.
With the exception of former Afghanistan war hero Daniel Rodriguez, the Clemson wide receiver who didn’t sign until after a successful tryout at the Rams’ rookie orientation, every undrafted rookie received a little something extra from the team.
The signing bonuses ranged from $1,000 to Trinca-Pasat’s $15,000. It’s not much money in the grand scheme of things, but signing rookie free agents is very competitive in the initial hours after the draft, and every little bit helps.
Each team is allowed a maximum of $86,000 in signing bonus money for undrafted rookies. There were times in previous regimes when the Rams didn’t spend a penny of bonus money on rookie free agents — and as a result missed out on some of the better ones. But the team spent $64,500 this year — they held out some of the $86,000 at the time in hope of landing a couple of other prospects who ended up going elsewhere.
Besides Trinca-Pasat, the other top signing bonuses for undrafted Rams rookies went to Texas running back Malcolm Brown ($8,500); South Florida offensive tackle Darrell Williams ($7,500); Texas Tech wide receiver Bradley Marquez ($6,500); and Northwestern (La.) State cornerback Imoan Claiborne ($5,000).
znModeratorNFL begins work on setting relocation fee
By Jim Thomas
In another indication of the growing momentum to have an NFL team in Los Angeles, the league has begun the process of establishing a relocation fee for the team — or teams — that might move to LA for the 2016 season.
“We’ve engaged an outside firm to help us look at various ways to analyze it,” NFL executive Eric Grubman said at least week’s owners meetings in San Francisco. “Which is not to say our finance staff is not capable of doing any of the analysis. But sometimes it’s good to have an independent mind take a look at it.”
The fee, Grubman said, could vary from market to market. The Rams in St. Louis, the Chargers in San Diego, and the Raiders in Oakland are all eyeing a possible move to LA after the 2015 season. When all is said and done, there could be a formula developed to set the fee. Or there simply could just be a flat fee determined.
“We’re not very far along in that,” Grubman said. “It’s sort of designing the analysis, and we’re debating the different ways that it could be looked at and the different time frames that could be looked at.”
The relocation fee is designed to compensate club owners for allowing another team to move into a new, lucrative market and basically gets split up among the other teams. It has been estimated that the relocation fee for a Rams move back to LA could be in excess of $500 million for team owner Stan Kroenke.
Grubman said any relocation fee probably wouldn’t be determined until very near the end of the entire relocation process.
“Anybody’s who’s getting into it or asking for a vote would be understanding of what it is,” Grubman said.
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znModeratorI enjoyed that.
I usually don’t enjoy these self-made kinda things.
But I liked this one.
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znModeratorThere wasn’t any eloquence in his quote. It was over the top. A drama king.
They loved that stuff. In the 20th century, we invented the idea that if you draw attention to the artificiality of your language, you’re insincere and a show off. Before the 20th century, it was like top hit radio music. They ate it up. Sounding “artificial” meant displaying much-loved skills.
But…we just see it different. N thatz kewl. In fact…not sure why I got off on this. Century or no century in the end it’s a matter of taste.

znModeratorHe should have used brevity too.
That was the 19th century.
The invention of “be brief, concise, and laconic” hadn’t happened yet.
That’s like saying he should have microwaved his coffee when reheating it.
Don’t have to be laconic. Impassioned is fine. Droning on and on to hear ones own voice is bad form in any century.
That’s not what he was doing though. That’s 20th century standards you;re using there. The 19th century prized eloquence. In fact, the great american Frederick Douglass, an escaped slave, made a name for himself because he was such a great orator—without any training, just spontaneously.
For example what’s the difference between
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
and
87 years ago the United States became an independent democracy founded on ideas of equality.The difference is just the difference between the 19th and 20th centuries.
Naturally people from the 20th century prefer their own way and can’t hear the virtues of the other way.
znModeratorNFL owners maintain strength by sticking together
John Clayton
also … —>
@BrianMejiaNFL: John Clayton says the Rooney’s, jerry Richardson, and John Mara all favor the Carson site. He also says it look like they have the momentum.
znModeratorNFL owners maintain strength by sticking together
John Clayton
Last week’s NFL owners meetings provided a reminder of the power of ownership in this sport.
New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft came to San Francisco steaming about the penalties imposed on his team for Deflategate. He considered suing the league. He had his lawyers create a website to challenge every item in the Wells report, which the NFL used as a basis for the punishment meted out to the Patriots and quarterback Tom Brady. But being around the owners changed Kraft’s tone.
He probably realized the owners he would be fighting in court were the ones who voted him into the league as an owner when he bought the Patriots 21 years ago. He probably spent a few minutes talking to Jerry Jones, whose Dallas Cowboys lost a total of $10 million of valuable cap room in 2012 and ’13 for somehow violating the salary cap in an uncapped year.
Kraft decided not to appeal the Patriots’ penalty of a $1 million fine and the loss of two draft picks.
The race for getting two NFL franchises into Los Angeles is starting to look like another example of how NFL owners operate. Most reporters came to San Francisco thinking Stan Kroenke held all the cards in building a stadium in Inglewood and then moving the Rams out of St. Louis.
One image adjusted that notion. On Monday night, reporters spotted Chargers owner Alex Spanos and Raiders owner Mark Davis having dinner with several owners who are on the relocation committee. High-level NFL execs were also at the table.
That informal meeting could set the stage for the Chargers and Raiders to move to a proposed stadium in Carson. As Kraft likely reminded himself, often the league sets itself above the individual desires of an owner or a franchise. If the Carson plan has strong support from NFL owners, it will happen.
It’s too early to handicap how the Los Angeles project will unfold. Spanos made it clear he wants to exhaust every effort for the city of San Diego to present a stadium proposal his family can accept. Unfortunately, the offer made by the city last week most likely falls short. While San Diego officials were making their pitch, Carson was closing on a land purchase for a two-team stadium.
There won’t be three teams in Los Angeles next year, because the NFL is going to give partial funding only for two teams in one stadium.
A Raiders/Chargers move to Carson gained plenty of momentum last week. Power-broking owners like the idea of helping Spanos and Davis if they can’t get stadium deals to stay where they are. While they aren’t totally against Kroenke, they recognize he is operating more on his own than with the league, although they also realize his work has put the league in a position to get pro football back in Los Angeles.
If the Carson deal makes the most sense financially, I can see owners approving a move to Los Angeles by the Chargers and Raiders and saying no to Kroenke. If that happens, though, the league would have to make things right for the Rams. First, it would have to make sure the St. Louis offer to keep the Rams is a great deal for Kroenke.
There may be some other things the owners could do to assist Kroenke. Kroenke owns sports franchises in Denver — the NBA’s Nuggets and the NHL’s Avalanche. If the Broncos ever wind up for sale — which could become a possibility with owner Pat Bowlen battling Alzheimer’s disease — the league could broker a deal that makes Kroenke the next Broncos owner.
On the football side, the league would need to fix the divisional alignments if the Raiders and Chargers move into one stadium. For network television purposes, the league can’t have to two AFC West teams in the same stadium. The Chargers or Raiders would have to move into the NFC West, and one NFC West team — the Rams or Arizona Cardinals — would have to switch to the AFC.
The next six months should be a study in how this fraternity of owners operates.
znModeratorRams presumably got worse. They went from 7.2% BTs on defensive plays in 2013 to 7.3% in 2014. But, the article said they (ie. Football Outsiders) changed their methodology and that as a result, we should expect a 25% increase for 2014. That’s only because they changed how they charted plays—not because missed tackles increased overall. And, it’s impossible to say what that means in this case. It probably means the Rams got better but that the Football Outsiders numbers don’t show it.
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