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znModeratorpay the man! we got the cap room don’t we?
He will want more than 5.5 M but then the Rams could structure it so the big hit comes in year 2 of the contract not year 1. They’ve done that.
Not sure, though, that either he or the Rams are interested.
znModeratorAnyway, to return to the original subject, I think that big play concessions are closely related to general system unsoundness. That’s why I tried to push the discussion past that factor.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true at all. In every instance where we saw a huge bonehead TD, the error in coverage came from miscommunication, when they weren’t just from Jenkins being individually stupid. From what I saw they could clear THAT up without changing anything else. I think those kinds of issues are in addition to anything else, not because of anything else.
And if they didn’t intend to blitz, they would not have signed Ayers or traded for Barron. So I don’t think they will be scaling that back. I happen to think that any viable NFL system can be executed well. So I am not big on choosing among systems. In many different discussions over the years, what often appear to some to be inherent and fatal system flaws will then, on the field, work fine…I’ve seen that happen over the years. Though I would be silly to promise that because I would have to see it myself before I thought that had happened.
Having said that, it is common for people to resist Wms. because he appears to be too risky. My own feeling is that they have to work on execution more than anything. I felt the same way about the offense.
It’s just a dime a dozen minor disagreement.
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znModeratorn other words, he doesn’t really match Williams’ system. Williams apparently wants to play off and contain to facilitate his blitzes. That requires disciplined CBs. JJ is a poor fit for that role.
Unless he learns.
This time last year I was avowing with complete conviction that Quick would never learn…that if he had not done it yet it was not going to happen.
So I don’t promise it but I don’t rule it out.
June 12, 2015 at 8:27 am in reply to: If Pead and Givins were Rookies, would they make this team? #26151
znModeratorThanks, that’s a better vid than the one I found. So much so I went back via edit and dumped the one I found, which was genuinely hard to watch it was so murky.
znModeratorThe 49ers had the next biggest variance, and then the Colts.
As a moderator, I am forced to reprimand you for faulty chart reading.
The next biggest was the Bengals. Then SF, then the Colts.
Where did you get your football metric chart reading skills, a cracker jack box?
BTW here’s how many top 10 defenses the Rams played in 2014: Seattle, Seattle, SF, SF, Denver, Phil. They won half those games.
Well in general would you agree that GW runs a very ‘risky’ defense? High risk high reward — that kind of system?
People have said that for a long time about GW defenses. But then he has orchestrated a few top 5 defenses. One thing I liked about last year is that minus the coverage mistakes that led to Big Boneheaded Passing TDS (BBPTD) the safety play was good as anything we have seen in years.
June 12, 2015 at 1:12 am in reply to: If Pead and Givins were Rookies, would they make this team? #26144
znModeratorThey you expect an udfa to make the team in their place or that they just won’t step up?
I can’t honestly say. But the UDFAs do sound good.
I hear things around about Slavin. For one thing, he’s a special teams gunner.
Tyler Slavin, WR, 6-1, 201 New Mexico Highlands — Finished with 119 catches for 1,418 yards and 17 touchdowns in 2014. Started his career at Arizona before transferring.
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http://www.abqjournal.com/581823/sports/nm-highlands-duo-get-nfls-attention.html
or Slavin in 2014, he earned First Team All-American honors from Daktronics while being named Second Team All-American by D2Football.com. The RMAC named him the Conference Offensive Player of the Year after ending the season with 119 receptions for 1,418 yards (second in NCAA Division II) and 17 touchdowns. His 128.91 receptions yards per game was second in the nation while his 10.8 catches per game led NCAA Division II. He finished the season with five games with 100+ reception yards and was just a yard short in two other games.
In the middle of the 2014 campaign, Slavin tallied six-straight games of double-digit receptions and had four-straight games with triple digit receiving yards. Against rival Western New Mexico, he caught 17 passes for 425 yards and a season-best four scores. Against nationally-ranked Colorado School of Mines, Slavin caught 14 passes for 278 yards and two scores.
“The scouts for the Rams have been on Tyler from the word go,” Pavlic said. “We could not be more excited for him as he continues his career on the gridiron. He went home to train every day, but he has been taking online classes and is on pace to graduate in the fall of 2015.
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Tyler Slavin, New Mexico Highlands
http://rotoviz.com/2015/03/sleeper-wide-receivers-2015-rookies/
Tyler Slavin might have been the best DII WR of the 2014 season. Respectively first, second, and third in receptions, yards, and TDs receiving in the DII ranks, the redshirt senior receiver totally dominated the competition in the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference.
Of course, on a market share basis Slavin wasn’t quite as good in his final season as his raw statistics would suggest, reminiscent of Terrance Williams‘ final season at Baylor.
By no means were Slavin’s 2014 and Williams’ 2012 campaigns disappointments—but with his raw production neither player actually dominated the receptions on his team the way that some would think, and with his Rec MS neither player was especially efficient at turning his touches into market share of total production. Under normal circumstances, Slavin’s “merely” solid final-season production wouldn’t be cause for alarm, but Slavin really had production only in his final season (again, somewhat like Williams, except that Williams actually was much more productive in his earlier seasons).
At the University of Arizona for the first three years of college, Slavin redshirted in 2010, served only as a special teams player and reserve WR in 2011 (with no receptions), and then in 2012 played as the No. 4 receiver during Austin Hill’s breakout season, patching together a 22-224-1 campaign the highlight of which was catching the game-winning TD pass in the New Mexico Bowl with only 19 seconds remaining—Slavin’s final reception and final game for Arizona. In the summer of 2013 Slavin left the Arizona football team and transferred to NM Highlands for the 2013 season, in which he underwhelmed with an 18-290-1 campaign in eight games. So, really, 2014 was Slavin’s only productive year.
What helps Slavin’s cause is that he appears to have NFL athleticism. At his March 5 pro day at the University of New Mexico, Slavin, according to Tony Pauline, “if nothing else, secured an invitation to camp this summer.”
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The star of the pro day in New Mexico was Tyler Slavin, a receiver from New Mexico Highlands, who totaled 106 receptions for 1,234 yards and 15 touchdowns last year.
Slavin measured 6-2, 215 pounds, then ran 4.52/4.54 in the 40, touched 34 inches in the vertical jump and 9-7 in the broad. Slavin also caught the ball very well and if nothing else, secured an invitation to camp this summer.
The St Louis Rams, Arizona Cardinals, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders were on hand.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/proday.php#5V0RIZaEvW7X7Vry.99only 4 teams bothered to attend New Mexico’s pro day and one was the rams..I think they were there to watch one specific player..don’t be surprised if we sign Slavin to an udfa contract…rams pro day visits and udfa contracts have historically gone hand in hand
rams were one of a few teams to watch Middle Tenn St pro day a couple of years ago. I talked to the local beat writer covering the team and asked who they liked and she said they were talking to Bennie Cunningham…ditto last year with Tre Watts/Tulsa pro day
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June 12, 2015 at 12:28 am in reply to: If Pead and Givins were Rookies, would they make this team? #26141
znModeratorThey could help the Rams this year, even though they haven’t been big contributors in the past.
I dunno ag. Maybe Givens steps up, but it’s a long step IMO.
znModerator… Undrafted rookie receivers Daniel Rodriguez and Tyler Slavin spent some extra time running routes with offensive assistant Jeff Garcia after practice.
There you go. Garcia teaching receivers by throwing to them. It will be interesting to see if this pays off.
In terms of replacing Givens or adding a 6th receiver, I am getting the impression that Rodreiguez and Slavin are the favorites.
Take it for what it’s worth but Thursday was the best open to the media practice I’ve seen from receiver Tavon Austin. Austin made a couple of tough catches in traffic in early team drills, one on a slant and another on a deep corner route. He followed with a tough catch for a touchdown in traffic during red zone drills. I’ll have more on it next week but Austin said after this is a big year for him and he’s tired of hearing the “bust” label thrown around with his name.
Well let’s hope this continues!
I belong to the camp that believes Austin needs to step up as a receiver, ie. that the issue is him, not anything around him or outside of him. I have no trouble with him as a runner or returner, but it would be nice if he started to draw more targets as a receiver.
znModeratorEven after strong rookie season, Rams’ Gaines still sports a chip on his shoulder
Elisabeth Meinecke
FOX Sports MidwestST. LOUIS — This session of organized team activities, admittedly, looks a little different for Rams cornerback E.J. Gaines.
After a breakout rookie season following his sixth-round selection by the Rams in 2014, Gaines is entering this year’s OTAs with less of a learning curve, but still with something to prove. Despite his impressive 2014 campaign, he’ll likely be battling Trumaine Johnson for a starting spot at corner.
Gaines isn’t bothered by it.
“I feel like competition is for the better, for the whole team — not just the defense,” he says. “Coming out and competing every day will help this team, and help us all get better as a unit.”
Besides, regardless of position battles and a stellar rookie season, playing with a chip on his shoulder fits Gaines’ style.
“I feel like everybody should play like they have something to prove,” he says. “That’s just my type of game, so I’m just definitely coming out with a chip on my shoulder and just trying to get better.”
Those words likely won’t come as comfort to some of the offenses Gaines may end up facing this fall — not after a rookie season in which he made 70 tackles over 15 games. But he knows his ceiling is higher.
“I feel I played OK, played at a pretty high level,” he says. “I just feel like I have so much more to prove and a lot more room to grow.”
Still, the past year hasn’t been all work and no play. Gaines says on the advice of several veterans, he took a “big break” between the end of the regular season and starting his offseason program.
“A lot of the vets told me to do that, take a month off just to myself, because coming as a rookie out of college, you really don’t have a break for a good two years,” he says.
So he took a few trips with Rams teammates, relaxed at home and now is back on the field — playing like he has something to prove.
znModeratorRams getting a closer look at cornerback competition
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — There’s not a whole lot of wiggle room when it comes to competition on defense since the Rams return all of their 2014 starters. We’ve already discussed the battle between Jo-Lonn Dunbar and Akeem Ayers for a starting linebacker job and that is the one spot that seems to be truly up for grabs. But there could also be some things brewing at cornerback that are worth watching.
At the March owners meetings in Phoenix, coach Jeff Fisher indicated that E.J. Gaines and Trumaine Johnson would compete for the starting job opposite Janoris Jenkins (who has been especially sharp in these OTAs). Gaines looks like the early favorite to win that job, with the Rams then figuring out what happens when they go into the nickel. On Thursday, Gaines worked with the first team at outside cornerback in the first half or so of practice before giving way to Johnson for the second half. In both settings, it’s been Lamarcus Joyner who has worked with the first unit in the nickel.
Although the team isn’t in pads, Gaines looks to be as solid as ever in his spot and it would surprise if he didn’t eventually win the job. Johnson has had some strong moments but also dropped an easy interception on Thursday. For his part, Joyner says the coaches tell him he’s “light years” ahead of where he was last year on the mental side. That’s a good thing for him as he attempts to lock down the slot corner job.
Some other thoughts and observations from the St. Louis Rams’ organized team activity Thursday afternoon:
— As always, the “this is an OTA and the team isn’t wearing pads” caveat goes here. Take it for what it’s worth but Thursday was the best open to the media practice I’ve seen from receiver Tavon Austin. Austin made a couple of tough catches in traffic in early team drills, one on a slant and another on a deep corner route. He followed with a tough catch for a touchdown in traffic during red zone drills. I’ll have more on it next week but Austin said after this is a big year for him and he’s tired of hearing the “bust” label thrown around with his name.
— In what amounts to not a big deal but certainly not a bad thing either, rookie running back Todd Gurley actually took a few snaps with the rookies after practice Thursday. No, not full speed, live team reps but a couple of handoffs with other players on the field, nonetheless. Per Fisher’s custom, he likes to keep rookies on the field for a few extra reps after the veterans are done for the day. They don’t have helmet or pads on and it’s basically a walkthrough speed but it’s the first time I’ve noticed Gurley doing it in these OTAs.
— Add Dunbar, end Eugene Sims, defensive tackle Nick Fairley and receiver Kenny Britt to the list of those not participating in Thursday’s practice. That quartet joins a group that includes receiver Damian Williams, safety T.J. McDonald, safety Mark Barron, Gurley, cornerback Brandon McGee, tackle Steven Baker, guard Cody Wichmann and tight end Alex Bayer. With McDonald and Barron sitting, Maurice Alexander again got repetitions with the first-team defense.
— Austin wasn’t the only former West Virginia receiver making tough touchdown catches in traffic during red zone work as Stedman Bailey added one of his own. … Quarterback Austin Davis threw a perfect deep ball for a touchdown to receiver Bradley Marquez. It was the second practice in a row in which Marquez has made a nice catch on a deep throw. … Thursday was Demetrius Rhaney’s turn to take the first-team reps at center. … Undrafted rookie receivers Daniel Rodriguez and Tyler Slavin spent some extra time running routes with offensive assistant Jeff Garcia after practice.
znModeratorI totally agree the defense needs to be more ‘systemically sound.’
I think the reason that doesnt get hashed out a lot on the board is simply
because most of us dont know enough about the X’s and O’s to say much
about ‘how’ that should happen.I see it differently. It did get hashed out a lot. It doesn’t get hashed more than it did because we’re a smaller community in a down time for posting generally (net-wide). There’s only so much attention any topic gets these days, though it will pick up (I am not complaining.)
Plus of course there’s plenty of time for it to come back up. More voices will jump in. So far though I am pretty clear on what’s consensus and what our differences are on that particular topic…and differences don’t bother me, I expect them on issues as multi-faceted as this.
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znModeratorOK, I guess I am confused here.
I see a thread discussing 1 factor. Only 1.
I had an earlier version of this which I deleted cause it got too wordy and off topic. It even bored me to re-read it.
I was saying that the GENERAL topic of the 2014 defense has come up and people have come up with their own takes (so far). We all agree that the defense was inconsistent, and lacked discipline at times…though not everyone agreed on why that was, or the extent of it, or what caused it.
In this thread, I post something I really do believe—cut out the bonehead coverage errors and they win more games. That is part of it for me, and it came up in a thread about eliminating bonehead errors.
To me the differences about the causes etc. don’t matter because it’s conversation among old friends about something that is just going to inherently attract different views. I don’t think referencing one aspect of their problems here—one that particularly irked me—means anything. The fact that we didn’t always agree on the causes for the defensive inconsistency didn’t mean much to me either…I thought it was good conversation. The topic of the defense in general, and what was wrong with it and what was right, and the reasons for it, will no doubt come up again. Events on the field will bring it up again, if something else doesn’t before that.
znModeratorI dunno. They cut him cause he wanted more than 5.5 M.
So looks costly.

znModeratorThe Rams’ Young Offensive Line Has Much to Prove
Posted by: DMarco Farr
http://www.101sports.com/2015/06/11/the-rams-young-offensive-line-has-much-to-prove/
Young and athletic. You’ll hear those adjectives used ad nauseam leading up to the Rams’ 2015 season, but in the case of the offensive line, they’re fitting descriptions.
I’d be shocked if Tim Barnes and second-round pick Rob Havenstein (6-7, 321) are not week one starters at center and right tackle, respectively.
Remember when Kyle Turley was just a right tackle and liked playing football in in St. Louis? Get ready for for a rebirth of that scene on game day. Havenstein is a few scary tats and a couple of fist fights away from Mr Turley’s neighborhood.
Tim Barnes is another story.
Is Barnes better than the beat up version of Scott Wells in 2014? There are doubters, but let’s let the Rams’ center answer that question when he stumps for a starting role in training camp. He’s going to have to convince the decision makers with his pads.
Side eye to third-round pick Jamon Brown. Lets hope the team gives this 6’4″ 323-pounder out of Louisville the opportunity stake a claim for a starting nod at guard. Of course, this depends on how Brown plays against air before taking on actual bodies.
Every NFL team whose plans go awry will state the obvious coming into training camp. “We’ve been impressed with the young players’ athleticism.”
What else is there to say in mid-June? There’s no other way to judge this early.
In other words, if a team surrendered more than 40 sacks in 2014 and poor pass protection contributed to adverse quarterback play, “young” and “athletic” are mainstays in your sports vernacular for the summer months.
Also, running the football will be the primary objective of every NFL head coach going into training camp.
For Jeff Fisher and company, though, the directive doesn’t change once the regular season begins.
Its good time to be big and strong in St. Louis.
znModeratorBattle for Rams’ center job likely to last into training camp
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Depending on the day, the St. Louis Rams have a different starting center at every organized team activity.
One day it’s Tim Barnes, another it’s Barrett Jones and the next it’s Demetrius Rhaney. It’s a three-person competition that figures to continue deep into training camp and perhaps all the way through the preseason.
“We’re not going to make a decision real early,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “We’ll let them all play. We’re rotating them. They’re all getting opportunities to work with Nick (Foles), so he’s familiar not only with the exchanges but also the communication. We’ll make that decision when somebody shows us he’s earned the job.”
In other words, don’t expect that decision to come any time soon.
When the Rams released veteran Scott Wells before the start of free agency in March, they parted ways with the only center on the roster with substantial starting experience. Wells had struggled in recent seasons, but he at least started all 16 games in 2014 and 19 more for the Rams in the previous two seasons.
Upon re-signing Barnes and choosing not to pursue outside options in free agency or the draft, the Rams committed to finding Wells’ replacement in house. Each of the options brings something different to the table, but none really offers much playing experience. In fact, Barnes’ four starts account for all of the starting experience among the three contenders for the job.
Because of those four games, Barnes got first dibs on working with the top offense at the team’s first OTA. Jones came second and then Rhaney, and the Rams have continued to mix it up through the first two weeks.
For Barnes, the time is now to prove he belongs. He’s been on the Rams’ active roster since 2012, appearing in 45 games along the way, but most of that work has been limited to special teams. He filled in for an injured Wells in 2013, stepping in for those four starts and playing a career-high 257 offensive snaps in the process.
This offseason, the Rams declined to tender Barnes as a restricted free agent, allowing him to explore his options. He visited Kansas City, but ultimately the chance to compete for the starting job with the Rams brought him back.
“That was the main factor was, it was kind of like being a free agent out of college again as far as you want to find a place you are going to be able to compete for the job,” Barnes said. “I have been a backup for a few years now, and I know I’m getting older and it’s time. It could be do or die, you never know. So this was a great opportunity, and that was our goal to find a place to give me an opportunity to start and play.”
While Barnes’ playing experience is limited, he’s a seasoned veteran compared to Jones and Rhaney.
Jones came to the Rams in the 2013 NFL draft out of Alabama as one of the most decorated college linemen of all time. But a litany of injuries, including a 2014 back surgery, has kept Jones on the sideline. In two seasons he’s played in 10 games, but only against Kansas City last year did he appear on offense — and that was for just 22 snaps. That’s the extent of his experience aside from special teams.
The Rams view Jones as one of their most intelligent players, and from that standpoint he might be the most prepared to take over the job. The key for him is proving his body is ready to hold up for the grind of a 16-game season. To that end, he took advantage of his first healthy offseason by adding muscle and showing up leaner for OTAs. He says this is as healthy as he’s felt since he arrived in the NFL.
“I definitely wanted to be 100 percent,” Jones said. “When I had back surgery last year, I wasn’t able to work out for a long time, so I wanted to put a lot more muscle on. I feel really good about where my body is, make-up-wise, and getting to work out a whole offseason healthy.”
Rhaney represents the wild card in the mix. Although he’s even more unproven than Barnes and Jones, the second-year center has his share of supporters in the organization. After a knee injury cost the 2014 seventh-round draft choice his rookie season, Rhaney said he’s added about five pounds of muscle in the offseason.
It should help Rhaney’s cause that the Rams offense has a few tweaks coming that seem to play into his skill set. Rhaney said he played in a zone-heavy scheme at Tennessee State and that new Rams offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti is adding wrinkles to the scheme that fit his style of play.
“The stuff we are running now is similar to what I ran in college, so that’s probably why I’m so happy about it,” Rhaney said. “Once I get the plays completely all the way down, I’ll feel real good. It’s exactly what I did in college. My quickness and stuff, that’s what made me stand out more.”
With three candidates to sort through, it’s safe to expect the Rams to take their time to figure out who gives them the best chance.
“We are all working hard and we have three good candidates,” Jones said. “It’s pretty open. You have got to make the most of your opportunities, for sure, and obviously it’s one of the interesting things about the NFL. It’s two of your good buddies on the team and you are competing for spots and jobs, and it’s just what you’ve got to do. You’ve got to go out there and work hard and compete.”
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Prometheus Faulk
Battle for Rams Center job likely to last into Training Camp. Step right up and place your bets!
Door #1: The Pedigree. A 4th rounder from one of college football’s true powerhouses, a key ingredient in their National Championship run, a smart dude who has played multiple positions, but has battled a variety of health ailments that have held him back from seeing any action professionally.
Door #2: The Experience. An undrafted free agent who was tossed into the fire on several occasions into a line in complete disrray, often missing the veteran left tackle and several other key pieces, would go into places like Seattle and help guide the remaining youngsters to the best of his ability with presnap calls.
Door #3: The Strength. Last year’s seventh round pick, from a small school but has one key element to his game you love about any offensive lineman – he can outmuscle dudes and push them away from the play.
znModeratorIt’s good to hear acknowledgements of the problems beyond big plays.
But, no one goes around not acknowledging those other issues. It’s much more the case that we intepret them and their significance differently.
znModeratorI am much more “have to seem em first before I can say.”
Though in principle, I have nothing against young, healthy, big, heavy maulers on the OL.
Not so much for dentists.
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You know I’m a dentist right? Everyone hates us
I don’t hate dentists. In fact, I think my own dentist is great. My joke was, I don’t mind big heavy maulers on the OL, just not as dentists. You too I would imagine. I doubt you would want your dentist to be a big mauler.

Though a dentist who liked Mahler? That’s a different issue.
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znModeratorUm, the failures of the defensive unit last year were NOT just about big plays. They just weren’t.
Yeah…we know.
But even with the other issues, subtract the bonehead big plays and they still win more games.
June 11, 2015 at 11:56 am in reply to: Thursday on NFL network is GSOT night — a LOT of stuff #26106
znModeratorThis is a public service bumping
znModeratorI wonder if it’s possible that Rhaney or Barnes end up starting at C and Jones ends up starting at one of the G spots? To answer my own question, sure I guess it’s possible, lots of things are possible. I guess it’s more of a “what are the chances?” type of question. Jones doesn’t have the size of Brown, so he might not have the physical upside as a run blocker, but in the short term I wonder if he ends up getting a chance at guard?
I really think Reynolds is the other guard, and IMO probably ahead of Brown.
znModeratorDonald Working to Improve in Year 2
Myles Simmons
Defensive tackle Aaron Donald made plenty of waves last year when he burst on the scene as a rookie. The Pitt product looked poised to have a special season from his first game when he took down Vikings running back Adrian Peterson for a 6-yard loss, and that potential was realized as he finished 2014 leading all first-year players with 9.0 sacks in addition to his 17.0 tackles for loss.
That’s an excellent season for any defensive tackle — let alone a rookie who moved into the starting lineup Week 6 against the 49ers. And the national media recognized Donald’s prowess by bestowing him both the Pro Football Writers of America and Associated Press Defensive Rookie of the Year awards.
“He was kind of a ready-made star,” said fellow defensive lineman Chris Long.
Despite the numerous accolades the defensive tackle has racked up going back to his college days as a Panther, Donald remains relentless in his desire to improve. He said in an interview with stlouisrams.com on Tuesday that in addition to his work in the weight room, he spent a lot of time in the offseason studying both his good and bad film from his DROY season.
“I learned a lot about myself from what I did last year,” Donald said, adding that he wants to get better at his overall game, from pass rushing to stopping the run.
Donald’s teammates and coaches have long extolled his on-field performance, with defensive coordinator Gregg Williams saying last season that one of his goals as a coach was to not disturb the DTs already stellar instincts. That’s a sentiment Long echoed on Tuesday, saying that Donald really has no need to grow.
“For my dollar, he’s the best D-tackle in football as far as rushing the passer and being disruptive. He was like that Day 1 when he got here,” Long said. “He just needs to stay at the same level and keep honing his skills.”
If Donald is to improve as he expects to, one factor will be working with Williams as his coordinator for a second season. The defensive tackle said the continuity aids in knowing expectations for both the coach and players.
“At the same time you learn what he wants, he learns how you play and can go off that,” Donald said. “So you want to build a relationship and have that chemistry with a coach.”
“You get a lot more comfortable,” Donald continued, “and I think you play a little bit faster because there’s a lot of stuff we’ve got, in terms of different schemes and the playbook.”
The continuity extends through Donald’s defensive teammates, as all 11 of the Rams’ regular starters — and many of the team’s rotation players — from 2014 remain with the club.
“I think we had a solid year last year, but we’re expecting bigger things from us this year,” Donald said. “We have a better feel for how each other plays out there, so I’m just excited about this upcoming year.”
And so as the Rams continue OTAs through next week, the reigning Defensive Rookie of the Year is looking forward to a significantly improved 2015. Look out, NFL.
“Last year was just the beginning,” Donald said. “It’s the start of something to build off of.”[
znModeratorI am totally ok with starting a couple
young, healthy, big, heavy, maulers
on the OLine.Just keep it simple,
and play the Lombardi way
and execute.w
vI am much more “have to seem em first before I can say.”
Though in principle, I have nothing against young, healthy, big, heavy maulers on the OL.
Not so much for dentists.
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znModeratorProbably the biggest reason I’m optimistic about
the rams making the Playoffs is this:
There is no F’ing way they are gonna give up
as many killer-back-breaking, idiotic TD returns
as last year.Thats just not happening.
The offense will be simpler
and the players are GONNA be on the same page.
I just think its purty clear, Fisher
understands they need to all be on the same
page this year — he knows the talent
is there now. They just need to play
sound, smart football on offense.w
vSame with the defense. Giving up “wtf are they doing” killer big plays.
In other words, subtract the handful of most stupid mistakes from either unit and they win more games regardless of any other differences.
However, your approach seems to be okay with the OL. You okay with the OL?
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znModeratorJones one of three competing for Rams’ center job
By Howard Balzer
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams selected four offensive linemen in this year’s draft, and it’s possible two will be starters on the right side when the season opens.
Second-round pick Rob Havenstein has been working with the first unit at right tackle in OTAs, and third-round pick Jamon Brown has been doing the same at right guard.
It’s possible free-agent addition Garrett Reynolds could end up starting at guard, but either way the right side will feature newcomers after right tackle Joe Barksdale signed with San Diego and right guard Davin Joseph wasn’t re-signed.
There will also be a new starter at center after the March release of Scott Wells, and while none of the current candidates is a rookie, there isn’t much game experience either. That’s why line coach Paul Boudreau has been rotating all three players — Barrett Jones, Tim Barnes and Demetrius Rhaney — during OTAs on a daily basis among the first, second and third units.
A fourth-round pick in 2013, Jones arrived in St. Louis with a Lisfranc injury to his foot suffered in the SEC Championship Game that required surgery. He played just three games as a rookie, and then played only seven last season after undergoing back surgery.
Barnes has been with the Rams since 2011 and played 45 games, mostly on special teams. He did get his feet wet as a starter for four games in 2013 when Wells was injured. Rhaney was a seventh-round pick last year and missed the entire season after suffering a knee injury in training camp.
Obviously, whoever starts on Sept. 13 against Seattle won’t have a lot of games under his belt.
Said Jones, “We have three good candidates from what I see, and I think it’s pretty open. You’ve got to make the most of your opportunities for sure. We’re all working hard, and grinding. On different days we get work with different groups.”
During the Rams’ first full week of three OTAs, each had a practice working with the first unit, and each also worked with the twos and threes.
“As far as I know it will continue that way until somebody says otherwise,” Jones concluded.
Head coach Jeff Fisher said, “We’re not going to make a decision real early. We’ll let them all play. We’re rotating them. They’re all getting opportunities to work with (quarterback) Nick (Foles), so he’s familiar, not only with the exchanges, but also the communication. We’ll make that decision when somebody shows us he’s earned the job.”
Barnes entered the offseason as a free agent after the Rams elected not to tender him as a restricted free agent. He talked to a few teams, but ended up back with the Rams on a one-year deal worth just over $710,000, significantly less than what the restricted tender of $1.542 million would have been.
He has described taking “a do or die” approach to this offseason and training camp, knowing that it’s possible he could be the starter, backup, or off the roster.
Rhaney is the wild card in the competition. He worked to add at least five pounds of muscle in the offseason, and is comfortable with some of the zone blocking philosophy that has been added to the offense because it’s what he experienced at Tennessee State.
Jones said the new concepts on offense are working well because the coaches “have done a great job of making things simple for us. Everyone’s on the same page. There was a learning curve, but that’s why we have this time together now. We’re right on schedule and we’re learning a lot every day.”
He also hopes what he learned from Wells will help in his quest to win the starting job.
Said Jones, “He embodied the word veteran. I learned a lot from him on how to approach the game week by week. How to break down film and learn the things that make you a pro; that separates you in this league. I’m very grateful for that. After he left, I texted him to say how much I appreciated all the time he took and taught me some of the tricks of the trade.”
The mental side of being the center and making the calls are also important aspects of playing the position.
As Fisher noted, “It’s really important. Scott did a really good job with it. Scott was really smart. There’s no indications at this point that there’s going to be limitations from the mental standpoint with the guys that are competing. They all understand.”
NOTES, QUOTES
–With the Rams in their second week of OTAs, six other NFL teams will be holding their three-day minicamps. Next week, when the Rams wrap up their OTAs, 25 other teams will have minicamps.
It has become head coach Jeff Fisher’s philosophy to not have a minicamp. This year, the Rams entered the offseason with a new offensive coordinator (Frank Cignetti), a new quarterback (Nick Foles) and with the certainty of having three new starters on the offensive line, two of whom could be rookies.
A minicamp would result in three additional practices, but Fisher said he never reconsidered his stance on conducting one.
“No, I didn’t think it was necessary,” Fisher insisted. “I think when you look actually at the veteran minicamp, it’s really no different than an OTA. You’re allowed to go on the field once. You get to have a walk-through. You get to keep them in the building for 12 hours rather than six. I personally think that’s too much and too long during the offseason. There’s a distinct difference between what we can do with the rookies and what we can do with the veterans. There’s a six-hour time limit window on OTA day and two hours on the field. There’s no restrictions with the rookies.
“We’re getting a lot of extra time with the rookies in the afternoon. We’re getting caught up. I’ve just always been one of those that has been opposed to the mandatory minicamp, especially back in the days when you’ve got to go on the field twice a day. It just made no sense to me that you’re taking professional athletes and making them practice twice a day in the middle of the offseason. It didn’t make sense, probably because I hated it (when I was a player).”
znModeratorRams Tuesday Practice
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/6/9/8751739/2015-st-louis-rams-otas-news-updates
Today wraps up the first half of the Rams’ 10 allotted Organized Team Activities.
While many teams actually wrap their 10 up this week, most of the NFL (25 of 32 teams) will hold their minicamp next week. Of course, Jeff Fisher doesn’t do minicamp, so the Rams will be holding the rest of the OTAs.
In any case, yesterday was a closed session, so not much came out. Today’s a catch up day for these last two practices.
The Offensive Line
Current status (left tackle to right tackle): Greg Robinson, Rodger Saffold, Barrett Jones, Jamon Brown, Rob Havenstein
Previous status: Brandon Washington, Garrett Reynolds, Barrett Jones, Jamon Brown, Rob Havenstein
Previous previous status: Greg Robinson, Rodger Saffold, Tim Barnes, Jamon Brown, Rob Havenstein
Injuries
Lest we forget, here’s where we were on Friday:
The caveat of course is that’s a “did not practice” and necessarily an injury list as it pertains to Williams, McDonald and Bayer. We can also rejoice at every nugget of recovery from Rodger Saffold, Brian Quick and Gurley as we are wont to do.
The Rookies
This is where I really miss Tony Softli. Uncle Tony was good for some relevant scouting info and for calling Steven Jackson a “war daddy.” Come back, Uncle Tony.
OTA Offseason Workouts: June 2, June 4-5, June 8-9, June 11, June 15-16, June 18-19
znModeratorRams’ Foles Taking Charge, Earning Praise
Shane Gray
It has not yet been three months since quarterback Nick Foles was traded from the Philadelphia Eagles to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for Sam Bradford, but in his short time in the Show-Me State, the 26 year old signal caller has exhibited plenty of in-demand qualities — both on and off the field.
On the field, Head Coach Jeff Fisher says the 2013 Pro Bowl honoree almost instantly begin taking charge and building a rapport with his teammates after arriving in St. Louis.
“That’s what he’s done since he got here,” Fisher said during last week’s OTA’s. “He walked in the door and he went out of his way to meet everybody. They did some individual things together. He took charge. In the phase one where the coaches can’t be present, he took the players out — the skill players and offensive players — and threw and did those things. Since then, he’s been doing great. Everything that we heard is true, and I’m sure we’re going to be surprised as we move ahead with him because we’ve been really pleased.”
Off the field, Foles has made a concerted effort to build camaraderie with the men he will battle alongside this season.
“The way we’re going to be successful on Sunday, or whatever day we end up playing on, is the relationships,” Foles asserted last week. “Come the fourth quarter, we have to know each other. We have to care about each other. That’s where you stick together through adversity. Just getting to know the guys in the workouts, in the film room, in the training room… whatever we do is a key part of it. I’ve really enjoyed it. Like I said, we have a great group of guys here that love to work hard and love to have a good time.”
Foles, for his part, does not find the task of relationship-building to be a difficult one.
“I really don’t think it’s a challenge,” Foles said in regard to building chemistry and cohesion, particularly with his pass targets. “It’s just fun. It’s a day-to-day thing. It’s getting to know them. It’s getting to know who they are as people. It started in the weight room — lifting together, working out together, pushing each other on the run. Then, when you’re going out here, it’s just communicating. It’s all about communication. What they see on the routes, how they’re going to run their routes (and) what they see in the defenders. When I see my receivers run routes I can tell who’s good at what, so then you get an idea where to throw the ball to different guys. They’ve been awesome. The receivers have been awesome. They’re buying in. They’re working hard and they’re going to make some plays.”
Speaking of Foles’ receivers, they have apparently been as impressed with him as he has been with them.
“We love him,” wide receiver Kenny Britt told R.B. Fallstrom of the Associated Press last week. “Great deep ball (and) he puts it on the money every time. He can throw every pass in the book.”
“I’m so glad he’s here. I love that he’s here,” tight end Jared Cook said Friday. “I love what he brings to us, and I love the fact that he’s just an up-tempo, positive guy.”
Although Foles is still very new to the Rams, one would be remiss not to note that his persona and approach has been a little different than that of Bradford.
Whereas Bradford always seemed somewhat reluctant to take on the role of a prototypical vocal leader — even after being nudged in that direction by coaches — Foles seems to naturally be a take-charge type of guy.
“Nick’s been great, not only in the team stuff but in the individual days with the receivers and everybody,” Fisher said. “He’s taken charge.”
According to this feature from Myles Simmons and the Rams official website, Foles’ natural leadership qualities have made an early impression upon the likes of the aforementioned Britt and Cook
“A couple of days ago, I was down on myself, not feeling well,” Britt said, “and he was the first one to come to me and say, ‘Hey Kenny, I see it in your face. Let’s go… we can’t have it right now.’”
Furthermore, Foles’ confident demeanor has clearly made a positive impression on the likes of Cook.
“That’s what you like to see,” Cook said of Foles’ personality. “Just having a little swag, a chip on your shoulder — that separates you from the rest. He’s cool as a fan, man. He’s everything that you want in a quarterback — everything that you’ve always wanted. It just feels like he belongs here, and it feels like he’s been here for a while, which is a good piece. It’s what we need.”
“And just think, once he gets this offense down, and once we all get this offense down — it’s going to be cake, man,” Cook added. “It’s going to be cake. And that’s how it’s supposed to be.”
Without question, Foles has made a strong early impression upon both his teammates and the coaching staff. That, of course, is a major plus.
If Foles can revert to something close to his 2013 Pro Bowl form, the Rams should have a great shot at making their first postseason appearance in over a decade.
The defense should be strong. A deep running game should be rugged. The kicking game and special teams play should be sound.
If St. Louis can get some consistency from the quarterback position, then this could be — and perhaps should be — the franchise’s finest season since the close of the Greatest Show era.
Foles will not necessarily need to be fabulous to win, considering the fact that he should be surrounded by a potentially dominant defense and a very good run game, but he will need to thrive off of play action, consistently make the plays that are there and thrive in crunch time.
As Foles said during OTAs, the extra time he is putting in now with his teammates — both on and off the field — should help the offense succeed in the fourth quarter once September rolls around.
And if they can do that, the defense and ground game should put Foles in position to win a lot of games this fall.
znModeratorRams need big things from Saffold, Robinson on O-line this season
By Jim Thomas
If the Rams are going to get it done on the offensive line this season, the left side tandem of guard Rodger Saffold and tackle Greg Robinson must lead the way.
Just four days removed from his 27th birthday, Saffold suddenly finds himself the most experienced Rams offensive lineman with 60 NFL starts. He’s also the second-oldest member of the unit. (Free-agent pickup Garrett Reynolds, who turns 28 on July 1, has Saffold by 11 months.)
“Yeah, I’m doing my best with that,” Saffold said. “It’s kinda different. Especially with this team, being with this team the longest.”
Saffold is the longest-tenured member of the Rams’ offense, entering his sixth season in St. Louis after being picked in the second round of the 2010 draft out of Indiana University. Only defensive end Chris Long (2008) and linebacker James Laurinaitis (2009) have been with team longer overall.
“It’s a big role, but I like those things,” Saffold said. “I like changes because that way it keeps you more engaged. Things start getting a little less boring.”
Things figure to be anything but boring on the offensive line this season. The Rams could very well be starting rookies at both right guard and right tackle, as well as a center who’s never started an NFL regular-season game.
Strangely, Robinson has gone from a raw rookie attempting to learn the game in 2014 to one of the team’s most experienced blockers in a year’s time. Robinson’s 12 starts are more than any offensive lineman other than Saffold’s 60 and Reynolds’ 27.
“It’s kinda shocking just to see that because there’s a lot of young guys that were in my position last year,” Robinson said.
Last year, Robinson’s head was spinning as he went from a simple run-oriented offense at Auburn to a pro-style offense brimming with formations and complex pass protection schemes. This year, Robinson finds himself getting questions from the Rams’ six rookie offensive linemen trying to figure out who to block.
“And surprisingly, I can talk to them about it,” Robinson said, laughing. “Last year, I was the one asking questions.”
This year, Saffold and Robinson must help answer questions on a unit that is the team’s biggest question mark.
“I have to step up — along with Rodger,” Robinson said. “Me and him were here the whole offseason, so it should pay off.”
They were around so much because they have been recovering from early offseason operations and working frequently with the Rams athletic training staff on their rehab. Saffold underwent shoulder surgery (specifically a torn labrum), while Robinson had a turf toe injury repaired.
They have rehabbed together, worked out together and watched film together long before the formal start of the offseason conditioning program April 20. Both have been limited on the practice field since the OTA sessions started last week.
The Rams are hoping Saffold can take a step forward career-wise after being bothered by shoulder issues the past couple of years.
“Well, it’s fixed,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “We have every reason to expect that thing’s not going to pop out every three weeks like it did. There’s so much ahead for him, right now, from an upper-body strength (standpoint). We’re just trying to be smart with him right now.”
Saffold had the surgery done as soon as the season ended, and it was a clean surgery. In other words, there was damage only to the labrum — and nothing else.
“I haven’t had much pain or problems,” Saffold said. “It’s been pretty much smooth sailing. Right now I’m ahead of the curve.”
The Rams are taking it slow with Saffold, and Robinson as well. No need to rush things in early June.
Robinson suffered his turf toe at the end of last season, and similar to Saffold, had surgery right after the season.
“It wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be,” Robinson said. “But the first part, just staying off it, was real tough. But as I got to moving a little more, I became a lot more comfortable. So it was really just staying focused and getting stronger, keeping my conditioning up.”
Robinson said he’s making progress on a daily basis and expects to be full-go by the start of training camp. The conditioning work and weight training have paid off. He has dropped 20 pounds, to 319, and the baby fat is gone.
“He feels good,” Fisher said. “His strength has increased, so if there’s a little bit of weight loss and an increase in strength, that’s a good thing.”
Besides all the conditioning work, Robinson said he started eating healthier in the offseason. Not that he’s become a health freak and is subsisting on tree bark and trail mix.
“I still cheat here and there but it’s a lot more limited than usual,” he said.
So he didn’t give up a favorite food, such as doughnuts?
“No, I didn’t,” he told a reporter. “You want to go out for some doughnuts?”
At the lighter weight, Robinson hopes to increase his quickness — the better to handle all those speed rushers at left tackle.
At this point, Robinson can’t really gauge if he has indeed gotten quicker, because he isn’t practicing full-go yet. But it feels that way.
“I feel like I’m moving a lot better,” Robinson said. “Hopefully, it goes through as planned. I really can’t sense the future, but now my main focus is just making progress each day.”
znModeratorEagles QB Sam Bradford confident in his recovery from injury
TAKING COMMAND of a group that hasn’t seen you lead it through a game – or even a practice – can be tricky, Sam Bradford acknowledged.
“It is a little bit difficult,” the Eagles quarterback said yesterday, after again throwing in seven-on-seven sessions during OTAs. Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley and Tim Tebow quarterbacked for all the full-team reps. “Yeah, I wish I were out there taking every rep. I think it’d make it a little easier to take on that leadership role and develop some of those relationships.
“But there’s other ways to do that – pulling guys aside after practice, in the weight room. You’ve got to look for different ways to do it, when you can’t do it on the field.”
Bradford said he has been working on building relationships with teammates who might know him only as the guy who tore his left ACL two straight seasons in St. Louis.
“I think that’s what it’s about,” Bradford said. “I think the stronger the relationships you have on the team, the closer the team is, the more you want to fight for each other on Sundays.”
Bradford’s new teammates have seen him throw the ball well in drills.
“Let me tell you, the accuracy I’ve seen out of him so far, it’s looking good,” said outside linebacker Brandon Graham, whose early Eagles career was derailed by a serious knee injury. “That knee stuff is serious, but [it can be] all in your head, too. When it’s finally healed, it’s all about where your mentality is. I think he’ll be all right.”
Running back DeMarco Murray played with Bradford at Oklahoma and was attracted to the Eagles in free agency this spring partly because Bradford was here. Murray seemed reluctant to assess Bradford’s status yesterday, to compare this version with the guy who was taken first overall in the 2010 NFL draft.
“Smart player,” Murray said. “He’s getting better, but I don’t know what he’s doing and where he’s at, or whatnot . . . He’s definitely a great quarterback . . . What he’s been able to do out here since he got here has been pretty good, so we’ll see how it goes.”
At least two important pieces of information came from Bradford’s chat with reporters yesterday, only his second media session since he took the field with the Eagles.
First, though Bradford said he didn’t want to make any proclamations that could come back to bite him, he acknowledged that he’s hoping to be full-go when training camp starts Aug. 2.
“That’s a great question,” Bradford said, after being asked when he thinks he’ll be 100 percent. “If I knew, I’d tell you guys. I really don’t know.”
Later, when a reporter noted that when Bradford was introduced in March, he said he hoped to be ready for the start of training camp, Bradford said: “I hope so . . . If I knew I was going to be ready, 100 percent, I would tell you guys, but I’m excited about that date. I think if everything continues the way it has, I’ll be ready for that . . . In this process, it’s tough. You don’t want to set concrete dates. You set a concrete date and then you don’t make it, you feel like it’s a setback or a disappointment. We’ve continued to take it day by day.”
Not declaring the first day of training camp as his goal might be a sign of justified wariness over media reaction; Bradford seems mindful that, for the first time in his football life, he is not in the Midwest.
“It’s East Coast, it’s big city,” Bradford said, speaking to a crowd of a few dozen reporters and camera operators. “I think there’s more media here than we’ve ever had [at Oklahoma or in St. Louis] at training camp or after a game. So, I’m getting used to that.”
Second, Bradford said he did not suffer cartilage damage in either ACL tear. As Dr. Art Bartolozzi, the former Eagles and Flyers team orthopedic surgeon, told the Daily News last week, the extent of cartilage damage often is the key element in determining how a knee holds up after ligament repair. Without the cushioning cartilage, there often is swelling and pain. Bradford said he has had no swelling after his OTA throwing sessions.
Cartilage “is an important factor,” Bradford said. “If there were more damage, you’d be looking at even a longer recovery time.”
Another point Bartolozzi made was that because of the back-to-back tears, Bradford hasn’t spent much of the last two years in top shape, working full speed. This is something Bradford certainly seems to understand: There is more to being ready to play than having a successfully repaired knee.
“Obviously, when you don’t play football for a year, I think the mind slows down a little bit,” said Bradford, who reinjured his knee in last year’s third preseason game. He suffered his initial injury in the seventh game of 2013. “You can watch as much tape as you want, you can try to simulate as many things as you want, but to get out there and actually make those decisions in a split second – I’ve noticed that each day I’ve gotten out here, it’s gotten a little bit better, it feels closer to normal.
“Last week, I was a little rusty; I felt like everything was going about a hundred miles an hour. But I feel like each day, it comes back.”
Eagles coach Chip Kelly said last week that the way Bradford works, he won’t be hindered by missing these reps as he tries to learn a new offense. Quarterbacks coach Ryan Day said Bradford was a strong presence in meetings and in the film room.
Bradford noted yesterday that this is “my fourth or fifth offense in six years,” given the turnover in St. Louis.
“I’ve seen a lot of different plays, a lot of different offenses,” Bradford said. “I’ve run variations of all the plays that we’re running now. I think it’s just a matter of getting out there and developing the chemistry with the guys who are out there with me.”
znModeratorThe 49ers’ Turmoil Could Open the Rams’ Path to the NFC West
Anthony Stalter
http://www.101sports.com/2015/06/09/the-49ers-turmoil-could-open-the-rams-path-to-the-nfc-west/
Is that the sound of a door opening?
With drastic changes on every front for the San Francisco 49ers, the path to the NFC West crown is looking just a bit easier to travel.
Rams look poised to surpass 49ers in NFC West
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The mass exodus that has taken place in San Francisco this offseason has many wondering just how far the 49ers are going to fall off in 2015.
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49ers’ Eric Reid has considered retiring because of concussions
Michael David Smith
The 49ers have lost 24-year-old Chris Borland and 25-year-old Anthony Davis to surprise retirements this season, with both players citing concussions as one of the reasons for walking away. And now an even younger 49ers player is saying he has considered walking away as well.
Eric Reid, the 49ers’ 23-year-old safety, told the San Francisco Chronicle that although he does plan to play this year, he has given thought to retiring because he has already suffered three concussions in his first two NFL seasons.
“I will continue to evaluate my own situation. If I have another concussion and I don’t feel like I can play any more, then I won’t. If I [have another concussion], and if I feel that I still can play, then I will. It’s just a case-by-case basis,” Reid said. “I know it’s a huge deal right now in the NFL and everything is being put under a microscope, but that’s how every injury is. It could be a dislocated shoulder. You evaluate your situation and see if you’re healthy enough to still play.”
Reid missed the final game of last season because of a concussion. He says he now feels fully recovered, but he is also seeking more medical opinions.
“There is a doctor that I’m looking further into and I may end up going to see,” Reid said. “Like I said, right now I’ve evaluated my situation and I feel comfortable playing.”
The 49ers, who have lost Patrick Willis and Justin Smith to retirements in addition to Borland and Davis, have to hope that Reid continues to feel comfortable playing.
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from MMQB
I think it’s bizarre that 49ers right tackle Anthony Davis, at this stage in his career, has decided to take a sabbatical. But at least he did it after signing his lucrative second contract. True, he may ultimately lose some of the signing bonus, but the second contract would not have come up in the first place if he’d pulled this stunt while still on his rookie deal. Davis would be viewed like Jonathan Martin: too much of an emotional wild card to take a significant chance on.
Davis is better than Martin ever was, but the Niners can survive his absence. Their run-blocking might have some glitches, but their scheme is heavy on tight end and fullback usage, so some of those glitches will be masked. In pass protection, Davis is nothing special. And Colin Kaepernick, with his poor pocket presence, often doesn’t capitalize on good protection anyway. Kaepernick’s randomized style of play will not be affected by a downgraded at right tackle.
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