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December 13, 2015 at 9:39 pm in reply to: that is what football people call "a win" (Lions game thread) #35609
znModeratorThe offense clearly has a long way to go but I’ll just enjoy this one.
Yeah I share that way of lookin at it. My view is, a win is a win, and always enjoy a win.
On Sundays, I don’t care about the draft, the record, the coaching debates, the player controversies. I just enjoy wins when they win.
The cloudy hardcore realistic issues can wait till Monday.

znModerator0 ANYTHING, other than yards.
20 First downs? Okay. Or we could all buy lottery tickets.
20 Points? Crazy, but sure.
20 minutes of possession before the end of the 3rd quarter? Sure, why not…aim for the stars!Do we even have 20 TDs all year? It’s been so sad that I’m not sure we do.
That said, I honestly don’t think we break any of these barriers which any competent offense should do…except maybe the first downs… 20 is a bit high. Still doable, but high
Well they did get 20 points. Plus a freebie additional 1 point.
first downs? They only got 15.
TOP? 26:10. Not good enough but still, it’s a 20.
I will add 3rd down efficiency. Let’s say the goal is better than 20%. They got 4 of 11, which is 36.3%. If that were their season avg. they would rank 24th, which is way better than 32nd, which is what they did rank before today.
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znModeratorRams snap five-game losing streak
Jim Thomas
What looked like a victory-clinching 83-yard punt return for a touchdown by Tavon Austin got called back late in the third quarter Sunday because of a holding penalty on Cody Davis.
So instead of going up 21-7, the Rams were backed up at their 9, clinging to a 14-7 lead over the Detroit Lions.
Those are the kinds of mistakes the Rams seem to make all too often. And those are the kinds of mistakes that doom 4-8 teams. But not this time.
“Obviously, everybody was upset,” quarterback Case Keenum said. “I thought, ‘Heck, screw it. Let’s go 90 yards or whatever it is.'”
Keenum and the Rams did just that with a seven-play, 91-yard touchdown drive. Keenum got things going with his longest completion of the game, a 25-yard floater to Kenny Britt. Todd Gurley followed with a 24-yard run off right tackle. Next thing you know Gurley was in the end zone on a 15-yard run, giving the Rams that two-touchdown lead early in the fourth quarter. It was the longest drive of the season for the Rams.
From there, they were able to hold off the Lions the rest of the way, snapping their five-game losing streak with a 21-14 victory at the Edward Jones Dome.
“We’ve had some tough ones,” Keenum said. “We were on this streak of not being successful. That’s what makes winning just feel so good. I mean, it may not look pretty at time but coming into that locker room — any winning locker room is pretty awesome.”
There were 51,202 tickets distributed for what could have been the Rams’ last Sunday home game in St. Louis. With owner Stan Kroenke planning to move the team to Los Angeles in 2016, the home finale is Thursday against Tampa Bay.
As Keenum mentioned, Sunday’s triumph was no thing of beauty. But the Rams took a 7-0 halftime lead on a 58-yard interception return by cornerback Trumaine Johnson. In the second half, the Rams finally got their offense going — the running game in particular — posting a couple of touchdowns on Gurley runs.
Gurley finished with 140 yards on 16 carries, his first 100-yard rushing game since the Rams’ last victory — way back on Nov. 1 against San Francisco.
“It felt good,” Gurley said. “We had lost (five) in a row so that’s never a good feeling. … We want to finish on a strong note. We might not be going to the playoffs, but it’s always good to bring that momentum going into the offseason.”
All told, the Rams (5-8) rushed for a season-high 203 yards. Gurley now has 975 yards rushing for the season with three games left to play.
Besides his “pick six,” Johnson did stellar work against Detroit star wide receiver Calvin Johnson, limiting the player known as “Megatron” to one catch for 16 yards. And as T. Johnson was quick to point out, C. Johnson’s only catch came against zone coverage.
(With C. Johnson lined up in the slot anyway, and not outside opposite T. Johnson.)
The Rams also had a revived pass rush, getting three sacks from defensive tackle Aaron Donald. With 11 on the season, Donald is the first Rams defensive tackle since D’Marco Farr (in 1995) with 10 or more sacks in one season.
“That’s kinda what we want to do,” Fisher said. “We want to run the football and play good defense.”
With Rob Boras calling plays in his first game as offensive coordinator, and Keenum making his second start at quarterback, the Rams couldn’t dent the scoreboard in the first half.
Keenum’s mobility helped on a couple of plays. Boras made sure that Tavon Austin was involved. Austin gained 13 yards on a run lining up in the backfield, something the Rams haven’t tried in a while. He also gained 20 yards on a jet sweep — with Gurley making the handoff out of the wildcat formation.
The Rams reached Detroit territory three times in the opening half, but were in field goal range only once. But on third-and-5 from the Detroit 27 early in the second quarter, Keenum was sacked for a 10-yard loss by Ziggy Ansah.
Instead of trying a 55-yard field goal by Greg Zuerlein, who was back in the lineup after missing two games with a right hip injury, Fisher decided to punt.
But Boras, who replaced the fired Frank Cignetti on Monday, finally got some points on the board in the second half.
“(Boras) worked really hard, as the staff did and the players,” Fisher said. “The players supported the staff this week, knowing it was gonna be difficult.
“I’m sure he’s looking at it right now wishing he could have a bunch of calls back. But as a first time play-caller it’s hard to convince him sometimes when you don’t get a first down on first down — it’s not your fault.
“You’re playing a good defense. It’s hard to just call things and have success all the time. But you set things up. The most important thing from our perspective, which he did, was adjust. I thought the staff did a good job adjusting.”
Both Boras and Trumaine Johnson received game balls after the contest. Johnson, who had missed the past two games with a thigh injury, now has 13 career interceptions — the most for any player in his draft class (2012). His five interceptions this season are the most for a Ram since Oshiomogho Atogwe had five in 2008.
In a tactic rarely used by the Rams, he shadowed Calvin Johnson all over the field. He had known all week that was going to be his assignment.
“It was Johnson vs. Johnson the whole week,” Trumaine Johnson said. “I knew it was going to be a tough matchup, but I feel like I can match up with anybody with my big frame, especially him.”
Even so, Detroit (4-9) made a game of it. Golden Tate caught a two-yard TD pass from quarterback Matthew Stafford with 2:05 left, to make it a one-score game at 21-14. And then the Lions recovered an onside kick on their 47 with 2:03 to play and all three timeouts remaining.
But the Rams defense held. It was four-and-out for Detroit, and just like that the local gridiron nightmare was over.
“No matter what your record is, we’re going to keep playing and keep battling,” Donald said. “We’ve got to finish strong. That’s what it’s about. That’s what we’re going to do.”
znModeratorDonald, Trumaine Johnson up, Greg Robinson down in Rams’ win
Nick Wagoner
ST. LOUIS — A look at St. Louis Rams players who were “up” and those who were “down” in Sunday’s 21-14 win against the Detroit Lions:
UP
DT Aaron Donald: We’re officially running out of superlatives for the Rams’ second-year defensive tackle, but he has to land on this list after posting his first NFL hat trick of sacks. Donald had five tackles to go with those sacks and the unofficial press box statistics also credited him with three tackles for loss and a whopping six quarterback hits. He should be in the mix for Defensive Player of the Year and is a lock to go to his second straight Pro Bowl.
Offensive coordinator Rob Boras: Boras didn’t reinvent the wheel and the Rams’ offense still only mustered 317 yards of total offense, but Boras lands here because he went through an extremely difficult week and there were no obvious signs that the job was too big for him. Boras is in a really tough spot taking over as offensive coordinator with just four games to go, but he should be commended for sticking with the run and helping the Rams’ offense find the end zone twice, something it hadn’t done since Week 8.
Calvin Johnson
Trumaine Johnson put the clamps on star Lions WR Calvin Johnson on Sunday, including returning this interception for a touchdown.
P Johnny Hekker: Like Donald, Hekker continues to amaze with his consistently outstanding production every week. He punted six times with a net average of 45.5 yards and dropped four of those inside Detroit’s 20. You never know how Pro Bowl voting will go with a punter but it’d be a farce if Hekker is left out.CB Trumaine Johnson: In returning from a thigh injury he suffered against Baltimore three weeks ago, Johnson had the task of shadowing Lions receiver Calvin Johnson all day. Johnson did it as well as any corner has since Johnson came into the league. Calvin Johnson finished with just one catch for 16 yards and Trumaine Johnson sent the ultimate exclamation point with an interception he returned 58 yards for the game’s first touchdown.
DOWN
OT Greg Robinson: It’s been a long, tough year for Robinson, who had his hands full all day with Lions defensive end Ezekiel Ansah. Robinson picked up a penalty for a chop block and had another holding call declined. Ansah had a sack and two quarterback hits.
znModeratorAaron Donald, Todd Gurley lead the way as Rams beat Lions
Michael David Smith
Fisher’s last two first-round draft picks, running back Todd Gurley and defensive tackle Aaron Donald, both had outstanding games today as the Rams beat the Lions, 21-14.
Gurley had 16 carries for 140 yards and two touchdowns, one of the best games yet for one of the favorites to win the Offensive Rookie of the Year award. It was a sensational game for Gurley, who showed once again that he’s a unique talent who was worthy of a Top 10 pick.
And Donald may have been even better. He sacked Matthew Stafford three times and had three other tackles behind the line of scrimmage. The Lions passed on Donald in last year’s draft so they could take Eric Ebron instead. That was a huge mistake.
The Lions’ offense couldn’t get much going. Calvin Johnson didnt catch his first game until just before the two-minute warning in the fourth quarter, narrowly avoiding the first catchless game of his career. But they did make a game of it in the end, scoring a touchdown just before the two-minute warning and then getting the ball back. Unfortunately for Detroit, their last chance ended on a fourth down when a shotgun snap got past Stafford, and his bailout throw to Ebron fell incomplete.
Neither of these teams is going anywhere, but the 5-8 Rams have to feel pretty good about having young talent like Donald and Gurley. And the 4-9 Lions have to wish they had made some of the draft moves the Rams have made.
znModeratorNew coordinator Rob Boras gets Todd Gurley, Rams’ run game going
Nick Wagoner
ST. LOUIS — The only offensive success the St. Louis Rams have had this season has been tied directly to the effectiveness of running back Todd Gurley. As Gurley has gone, so have the Rams.
St. Louis went just about nowhere in their previous five games, losing all of them to form a streak that spurred coach Jeff Fisher to fire offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti and promote Rob Boras to the job last week. After a first half that looked eerily similar to those five games, the Rams’ offense took off in the second half as Boras dialed up Gurley’s No. 30.
By the time it was over, Gurley had shouldered the load for the Rams’ 21-14 victory at the Edward Jones Dome on Sunday.
Earlier in the week, Fisher said that in making the move to Boras, he hoped his new coordinator could help spark the run game. Boras said he wanted to feed Gurley as much as possible, especially after the rookie back had just nine carries in each of his past two games.
Whatever Boras did this week apparently worked. Gurley finished with 140 yards on 16 carries with two touchdowns. It was his fifth 100-yard game of the season and his first since Week 8 against San Francisco. As a team, the Rams rushed for 203 yards on 29 carries, an average of 7 yards per attempt.
Make no mistake, the Rams’ offense is still far from being even mediocre. But for one day — or one half — at least, Boras was able to get Gurley going again. It’s no coincidence that the result was a victory.
What it means: The Rams snapped the aforementioned five-game losing streak, getting their first win since that game against the 49ers on Nov. 1. The victory is essentially meaningless as the Rams improved to 5-8 but are, for all intents and purposes, out of the playoff race.
One reason to be excited: The Rams have difficult decisions to make this offseason when it comes to their many free agents, but it looks like they’re at least going to have good choices at cornerback. They likely can’t afford to keep both Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, but both have proved that they’re worthy. If Jenkins’ price gets too high, Johnson might be a solid, more cost-effective option. His 58-yard pick-six and the job he did against Detroit receiver Calvin Johnson showed that Johnson has developed into a good NFL cornerback.
Fantasy watch: The matchup didn’t look favorable, especially with so many injuries, but the Rams’ defense rebounded well from a couple of tough weeks against strong opponents. Johnson’s interception return for a score plus the Rams’ four sacks offered some big points for those who stood by their defense.
Ouch: The Rams made it through the game without any serious injuries of note, or at least none that were obvious during the game. Of course, they didn’t have much room for more serious injuries given their luck of late. They were without Jenkins (concussion) and end Robert Quinn (back), in addition to the many other injuries they’re dealing with on defense.
What’s next: It’s a short week for the Rams as they turn around and play Thursday night against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the Edward Jones Dome in what could be their final home game in St. Louis. It’s also the color rush game with the Rams wearing all yellow — if you’re into that kind of thing.
December 13, 2015 at 6:58 pm in reply to: Fisher, Keenum, Gurley, Donald, Brockers, Johnson…transcripts #35594
znModerator(On if getting in 1-on-1 situations helps the team)
“It means everything. You’re supposed to win 1-on-1s. That’s why they brought me here. When I get (a 1-on-1 opportunity), I’m supposed to win it. I’m just doing my job.”I love it.
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December 13, 2015 at 6:32 pm in reply to: that is what football people call "a win" (Lions game thread) #35591
znModeratorAnother thing that fueled a win—I thought a depleted secondary would be an issue. It wasn’t. Alexander while not all that active at the level we’re used to from McD, held his own. And Roberson came through, in a couple of cases quite dramatically.
December 13, 2015 at 6:03 pm in reply to: that is what football people call "a win" (Lions game thread) #35590
znModeratorSo do you think they’ll just win one super bowl now,
or do you think it will be a Dynasty?Whoa slow down. Let them go ahead and win their first 3 or 4 superbowls before we get into any “dynasty” talk.
December 13, 2015 at 5:43 pm in reply to: that is what football people call "a win" (Lions game thread) #35586
znModeratorDefense was great. Had Stafford off on his throws. The second half, Gurley got unleashed. Keenum didn’t make any major mistakes in spite of a shaky pocket. (His one INT was a “hit as you throw” thing that was at the end of the half and inconsequential.) Austin made some crucial big plays too.
znModeratorSo, from a maturation standpoint they are roughly at the same level they were in 2011?
2011 was a good year. There was all sorts of young potential on the roster, they were bound to get a high draft pick in 2012, and they got to try out 3 different quarterbacks.
What more could you want.
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znModeratorfrom off the net
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don’t love any of this years wr’s…Parker, Cooper and White were WOW! players..can’t say the same about this years crop….none are in the Cooper, White Parker class
Michael Thomas 6’3 210 true #1 wr…strong nfl body snatches the ball scholar athlete soph…only lacks elite deep speed
Laquon Treadwell 6’2 210 big hands/powerful wr who snatches the ball fast twitch athlete with some Dez Bryant similarities both off and on the field..might take a couple years wonderlic? will be over drafted but high ceiling
Josh Doctson 6’2 195 stylish wr…smooth out of breaks..great body control and tracking ability..smart, thin upper body so might have trouble if pressed and against elite cb’s…immediate zone type starter 1st down maker..
Will Fuller 6’0 184 speedster with great hands. Fast out of breaks can beat man to man coverage
Early starter junior says coming back for senior seasonCory Coleman 5’10 190 elite slot wr..similar to Austin but a.much better wr and smarter then Austin. Bigger/stronger and almost as fast Majoring in health, kinesiology and leisure studies. 45 vertical
Tyler Boyd 6’2 200 natural wr…hands, body and size without elite speed/quickness
Sterling Shepherd small…lacks elite speed out of breaks..manhandled
just started the process…lot more players to look at
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December 13, 2015 at 7:52 am in reply to: reporters (including Detroit writers) set up the LIONS game #35567
znModerator7 things to watch: Rams vs. Lions
Jim Thomas
HERE COMES MEGATRON
Calvin Johnson is listed as questionable by Detroit with an ankle injury and didn’t practice Friday. Even so, he’s probably eager to play on Sunday against the injury-depleted Rams secondary. As such, it should be the first and possibly only appearance in St. Louis (depending on relocation) for arguably the NFL’s best wide receiver. Johnson needs 35 yards receiving to reach 1,000 for the sixth consecutive season. “The size, the speed, the athleticism. He can just go get the ball at any point. He’s one of a kind,” Rams secondary coach Brandon Fisher said.
SPEAKING OF THAT SECONDARY
The Rams will be down two starters in the back end: cornerback Janoris Jenkins (concussion) is doubtful and strong safety T.J. McDonald (shoulder) was placed on injured reserve Friday. At least the team is getting cornerback Trumaine Johnson back after missing two-plus games because of a thigh injury. He has the size and length (6-2, 208) to at least have a chance physically against the 6-5 “Megatron.” But otherwise, it’s the inexperienced Marcus Roberson starting at the other corner, and 5-8 Lamarcus Joyner at nickel back.
DON’T FORGET ABOUT TATE
Now in his second year in Detroit, wide receiver Golden Tate had some big moments against the Rams as a Seattle Seahawk. In his past three contests against the Rams, all with Seattle, Tate had a combined 327 yards receiving and three TDs. He’s a master at coming down with the 50-50 ball. Veteran Lance Moore gives Detroit a reliable third wideout, and second-year man Eric Ebron is a productive tight end — the pair has eight TD catches between them. “Megatron” is the headliner, but this is a pretty good supporting cast.
IN THE BACKFIELD
Although they’ve been more productive lately, the Lions come to town with the NFL’s 31st-ranked rushing offense. Detroit is averaging only 3.5 yards per carry and hasn’t had a ball-carrier gain more than 67 yards in any game this season. This is good news for the Rams, who have been hemorrhaging on run defense lately. Arizona gashed them for 175 yards last week; Cincinnati gained 140 two weeks ago. But keep an eye on Theo Riddick, who has 60 catches out of the backfield — the league-high at running back this season.
A RARE ARM
Matthew Stafford has the kind of arm strength most QBs dream about. He can squeeze the ball into tight windows, throw deep outs with ease and get the deep ball behind any secondary. Since Jim Bob Cooter replaced Joe Lombardi as the Lions’ offensive coordinator, Stafford has been more careful with the ball. Mixing coverages can help against him. As Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams put it: “We’ve got to paint different pictures to try to cause (Stafford) to reset. Can we get him to hold the ball a little bit longer?”
MAKING HIS CASE
After missing two weeks because of a concussion, Case Keenum finally gets another chance at quarterback for the Rams. He wasn’t very good before suffering the injury, but coach Jeff Fisher hopes Keenum’s energetic personality and ability to extend plays with his mobility can provide a much-needed spark for the offense. On a personal level, these final four games mark a great opportunity for Keenum to establish himself as more than a backup in the NFL. Detroit has a middle-of-the-pack pass defense.
RUSH HOUR
Led by defensive end Ezekiel “Ziggy” Ansah, the Lions can get after the quarterback. Ansah’s 12½ sacks lead the NFC and he is second in the NFL to Houston’s J.J. Watt (13½). As a team, the Lions are tied for seventh in the league with 33 sacks. Former Baltimore star Haloti Ngata remains a force in the middle. All told, the Lions have made a league-high 105 tackles behind the line of scrimmage making this a tough, tough challenge for the young, inexperienced Rams offensive line.
znModeratorI havent seen a comment like that
from an NFL player very often.To me it sounds like things they were saying in 2011.
December 13, 2015 at 5:58 am in reply to: reporters (including Detroit writers) set up the LIONS game #35560
znModeratorRams in familiar December territory — playing out the string
Jim Thomas
Yes, the holiday season is upon us. But when it comes to Rams football, it’s anything but the most wonderful time of the year.
Once again, December football in St. Louis has absolutely nothing to do with playoff races, fighting for division titles or jockeying for a first-round playoff bye. At 4-8, the Rams are cursed with their 12th straight non-winning season.
“It’s not fun going on these slides that we’re on right now,” linebacker James Laurinaitis said. “You don’t want to be in these weeks at the end of the year in December where you’re playing football essentially for your jobs, but also just for momentum carrying into the offseason. You want to have games that mean something.”
Oh well. Maybe next year.
A loss in Sunday’s noon game against the 4-8 Detroit Lions would make this the Rams’ ninth consecutive losing season. And in a cruel irony for a franchise that plans to file for relocation to Los Angeles in little more than three weeks, it’s Fan Appreciation Day at Edward Jones Dome. There are discounts on food and merchandise, there will be contests and giveaways.
But the best way to show fan appreciation? How about scoring more than 18 points for the first time since Nov. 1? Or snapping the team’s five-game losing streak?
Unfortunately for long-suffering Rams fans, the now-familiar catch phrases of “playing for pride” or “putting out good film” once again are in full effect.
“I think we have to build confidence,” tight end Lance Kendricks said, speaking specifically of the offense. “Somewhere along the line, we just lost that confidence. It could be due to injuries, with the O-line being a little limited. Inconsistency. Penalties.
“We haven’t really had a rhythm on offense in a long time. That’s something we’ll be looking for.”
At least the Rams are moving down in class this week against Detroit, which has the benefit of the so-called “mini-bye,” having last played on Dec. 3 in a Thursday night game against Green Bay.
Were it not for that disastrous ending against the Packers, a 61-yard Hail Mary pass from Aaron Rodgers to Richard Rodgers — against a botched defensive alignment on the final play of the game — Detroit would be coming to town with a four-game winning streak and on the fringe of the wild-card race at 5-7.
Instead, the Lions, who lost their first five games and started 1-7 this season, are out of it, a bitter come-down after winning 11 games and earning a wild-card berth a year ago. Who knows how the Lions will react to that 27-23 loss to Green Bay. Can they regain the momentum of that “almost” four-game winning streak? Or will they mentally pack it in for 2015?
Meanwhile, the Rams’ fall has been swift and dramatic. In a league built for parity, they simply have been non-competitive in their most recent two losses, getting outscored 58-10 by Cincinnati and Arizona. Granted, the Bengals and Cardinals are elite teams. But the Rams were either beating those types of teams (Seattle and Arizona) or competing with them (Pittsburgh) earlier in the season.
“Just to be here now at 4-8, when we were just — it seems like yesterday — we were 4-3 and then everything spiraled,” Laurinaitis said. “Yeah, it’s frustrating.”
The organization is awash in uncertainty. There’s no way at this point to know if the coaches will be back, if any of the team’s many pending free agents will be back, or even if the team itself will be in St. Louis in 2016. There’s nothing that the players or coaches can do about any of that at the moment. The only thing they can make right on Sunday is somehow getting a victory against Detroit.
They’ll try to do so after another tumultuous week, a week in which offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti was fired and Rob Boras promoted and given the play-calling reigns.
“I’ve just been pleased with the players’ response (to Boras),” coach Jeff Fisher said. “That’s the most important thing — is how the players respond. They’re pulling hard for him. They don’t want to let him down.”
Case Keenum, who was 12 for 26 passing for 136 yards three Sundays ago in a 16-13 loss in Baltimore, gets another start at quarterback after spending the last couple of weeks working through the NFL concussion protocol. To say he is excited about this opportunity would be understatement.
“It’s a dream come true for me to be a starting quarterback in the NFL,” said Keenum, who has been thinking about it “since I was 5 or 6 or 7 years old in second grade. I told my teacher I wanted to be an NFL quarterback. She kind of said, ‘OK, Case.’
“Well, I get to do that this week, and there’s not many people that have ever gotten to do that. So I’m not taking it lightly.”
On the other side of the ball, the Rams will face the league’s ninth-ranked passing offense without their best pass-rusher (Robert Quinn), best linebacker (Alec Ogletree), best cornerback (Janoris Jenkins), and arguably, their best safety (T.J. McDonald).
Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford can make all the throws, and he’ll undoubtedly be looking early and often to Calvin Johnson, aka “Megatron.”
“Any time you’ve got Stafford under center or in shotgun, and Calvin and (Golden) Tate out there, they’re a threat,” Fisher said. “Calvin is as good as there is. He’s just so tall, and (has a) big catch radius. Matt knows that and he puts the ball up and makes his plays.”
Containing Johnson won’t guarantee a victory, but it would certainly make that task a lot easier.
“You have to always change things up, whether it’s man or zone,” Fisher said. “Or at times you’re going to have to affect coverage and try to double him. Even though you see team after team after team (use) double coverage on him, he’s still coming up with the play.”
znModeratorI wouldn’t take anything future nittany says seriously. After the Lions game he nearly drowns in his own tears and his brain is deprived of oxygen for 10 minutes.
Wait. Only future Nittany could say that, since it involves knowledge of the future.
So…do we take it seriously?
December 12, 2015 at 5:02 pm in reply to: It wasn’t long ago that Richie Incognito was a pariah in the NFL #35549
znModeratorMy clients have to make it thru three years
of probation before anyone starts
handing out medals.Then tell them to become NFL players.
Presto, voila, no problem.
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Again, massive amounts of injuries has (again) destroyed what the youngest team in the league is capable of doing. When you go from youngest team to injury-depleted-youngest team and have to play even younger and/or more inexperienced backups, then you’re essentially freaked. The one constant in Fisher’s tenure here so far is that all of his QBs have been ineffective, injured, or had some kind of a fatal flaw that severely limited what the offense as a whole could do in the passing game.
I’ve studied the Titans’ teams he’s coached and I see similarities. He had a 13 year stretch once where he had only 3 non-winning records while going to the playoffs (and SB) 6 times. During that time though, two years in a row (2004, 2005), his record took a sharp decline and resulted in two of the three losing records. Because during those two years (tell me if this sounds familiar), there was a pretty significant cap problem with the Titans which led to the release of several players, in addition to having an unprecedented amount of injuries across the board – not the least of which caused him to use 3 different QBs during the season and 2 the following season. Once that got sorted out he got them back to .500 and then the playoffs two years in a row. Those aren’t the actions of a crappy coach.
Admittedly his brand of football is more reliant upon defense and special teams, and the margin for error is less than that of a team that can air it out with regularity, but that in and of itself doesn’t make him a bad coach or wrong for the job. All it means is that he can’t afford injuries to key players on a scale like we’ve been witnessing. And he ESPECIALLY can’t afford to have it at QB. It’s a fact that better QB play, or even a better QB, could have yielded him almost a dozen more wins over the course of his time here. I’ve seen QB play cost this team games for almost 4 years now and can safely assume (without being blind) that a Steve McNair type QB, or even an in-his-prime Kerry Collins could have gotten him a few winning seasons here.
I’m not prepared to blame him for betting on Bradford when he took the job here. All I can really blame him for is his hit-and-miss drafting and lack of foresight. That’s still not enough to say he’s wrong for the job. It just means he’s close to becoming crap out of luck.
It’s a sting that Fisher has felt before when with the Titans in 2004. Prior to that the Titans were in the playoffs 4 out of 5 years, but then his team got steamrolled with injuries and he ended up winning 5 games. In 2005, they had serious cap issues and they won 4. In 2006 he again stabilized the team and won 8 games. In 2007 and 2008 they were back in the playoffs.
I made this short video a few years ago to illustrate this point.
znModeratorYellow is the new orange.
December 12, 2015 at 2:31 am in reply to: status reports on the banged-up secondary & the banged-up defense in general #35534
znModeratorRams notes: Johnson set for return against Detroit on Sunday
Joe Lyons
All Rams cornerback Trumaine Johnson could see was the end zone.
“Not might. It would’ve been six (points), for sure,’’ Johnson joked Friday when asked about his third-quarter interception on Nov. 22 at Baltimore.
On the play, Johnson picked off the Joe Flacco pass and returned it 25 yards before pulling up with a thigh strain.
“It actually happened on the play before, on a fade route,’’ Johnson explained. “Then I got the interception and tried to open up and that’s when I felt it. The second it happened, I knew I couldn’t run any more, so I just tried to secure the ball.
“Really wish I could get that one back.’’
The interception was the career-best fourth of the season for Johnson, who leads the 2012 draft class with 12 career picks. Unfortunately, the thigh injury kept him sidelined for recent losses to Cincinnati and Arizona. He is listed probable for Sunday’s noon game against the Detroit Lions at the Edward Jones Dome.
“I’m feeling good, feeling great,’’ the fourth-year pro said following Friday’s workout at Rams Park. “I’ve been practicing all week and the leg’s been coming along. My confidence is up; it’s not going to be 100 (percent), but it should be good enough to play on Sunday.’’
Good news, especially since it appears the Rams’ other starting cornerback, Janoris Jenkins, won’t play. Another fourth-year pro, Jenkins is listed doubtful for Sunday as he continues to work his way through the NFL’s concussion protocol. Jenkins did not practice this week.
Second-year pro Marcus Roberson is expected to make his fourth straight start at corner.
Johnson figures to match up a lot with the Lions’ Calvin Johnson, a five-time Pro Bowler, on Sunday. The 6-foot-5 receiver has 70 catches for 965 yards and seven touchdowns this season. Other key receivers for Detroit are former Seattle Seahawk Golden Tate (67 catches, 615 yards, two TDs) and Theo Riddick (60, 534, three) out of the backfield.
The Lions’ Johnson is “a beast, one of the best in the league right now,’’ 6-foot-2 Trumaine said. “He’s fast, he’s big and he’s physical. They like to throw the ball to him, man, no matter what — single, double, even triple coverage.
“You gotta look forward to games like this, it’s competition. … I pray for matchups like this.’’
RAM-BLINGS
Slated for shoulder surgery, safety T.J. McDonald was placed on IR Friday. To fill the roster spot, the team promoted cornerback Eric Patterson from the practice squad. Patterson, a 5-foot-10, 193-pound rookie from Ball State, joined the Rams in early October.
He was signed as an undrafted free agent by New England and played in two early-season games with Indianapolis this season, contributing a pair of tackles.
“It feels great to get an opportunity,’’ the 22-year-old said Friday. “I’ve been practicing with the starting D all week, so when my number’s called, I’ll be ready. The big thing is making sure you’re game-ready and preparing as if you’re going to play.’’
To fill Patterson’s spot on the practice squad, the Rams signed WR J.J. Worton, a former University of Central Florida product who suffered a torn ACL late in his senior season that prevented him from being drafted last spring. Before being hurt, the 6-foot-1, 210-pound Worton averaged 42 catches and 590 yards in four seasons at Central Florida. He scored 21 career touchdowns and was also a standout punt returner for the Knights.
• The Washington Redskins have signed former University of Illinois running back Pierre Thomas.
December 12, 2015 at 2:30 am in reply to: status reports on the banged-up secondary & the banged-up defense in general #35533
znModeratorSims, Westbrooks trying to fill Quinn’s shoes
Jim Thomas
For most of the past five weeks, the Rams have been trying to get by without Pro Bowl defensive end Robert Quinn. Then on Monday, coach Jeff Fisher announced it would be a season-long thing.
Quinn needs back surgery. Although he has yet to be placed on the injured reserve list, he’s done for the year.
That means even more of an opportunity for Eugene Sims, who has been starting in place of Quinn, and a renewed opportunity for second-year player Ethan Westbrooks.
“Eugene may be the toughest individual in that entire building,” defensive coordinator Gregg Williams said after Friday’s practice at Rams Park. “If a fight broke out, I’d want to go stand behind him.
“If you ask any of his teammates on either side of the ball — he’s a very tough individual. As he has developed his skill development he’s gotten better and better and better.”
Sims is an interesting case. A small-college find out of West Texas A&M, he was drafted in the sixth round in 2010. Raw but talented when he entered the league, Sims gradually worked his way into a niche as a valuable rotation player behind Quinn at right defensive end.
As the years have rolled by, Sims is now one of the most-tenured players on the team. Only defensive end Chris Long and linebacker James Laurinaitis have been with the Rams longer.
The 2014 season was Sims’ best, with the Mississippi native registering a career-high 45 tackles and matching his career high with three sacks. He started well this season, with a sack of Russell Wilson plus a quarterback hit and QB pressure in the opener.
But Sims suffered a knee injury on the final play of that game and missed the next three contests. By Sims’ own admission, it was a slow-go once he returned to the lineup; he wasn’t playing his best football.
“Now, I feel like I’m playing pretty good,” he said. “Pretty solid. The sack numbers aren’t there.”
Sims, in fact, hasn’t had a sack since the season opener despite starting five games in Quinn’s absence. Every game at right end, he’s lining up over the opponent’s left tackle — in theory, that team’s best pass-blocker.
“It’s been pretty challenging,” Sims said. “But my mindset is to do better and win every play I can win.”
The Rams’ pass rush hasn’t been the same without Quinn. Over the past five games, coinciding with both the team’s five-game losing streak and the first game Quinn missed (Minnesota), the Rams have recorded only six sacks. They had 26 sacks in their first seven games.
“Robert’s a rare pass-rusher,” Williams said. “There’s not very many people that can do the things he can do in the league, and how he can turn the corner so quick.”
Sims, 6-6, 269, hopes to better fill that void in Sunday’s home game against quarterback Matthew Stafford and the Detroit Lions. He is scheduled for unrestricted free agency after this season, so he can help the team and help himself with a strong finish over the final four games.
“I’ve been trying to control what I can control, do what I can do right now for the team,” Sims said. “So I’m not really worried about the contract. Let it play itself out.”
Backing up Sims at right end Sunday will be Westbrooks, who is getting another chance to show his stuff after being a pregame inactive the past two weeks against Arizona and Cincinnati.
“Yeah, I’m gonna be back ‘up’ this week,” Westbrook said, referring to his playing status. “I’m taking it serious. Every snap is a blessing in the NFL so I’m just really trying to focus in on this, do my best and hopefully make a couple big plays this week.”
Against the Cardinals and Bengals, undrafted rookie Matt Longacre of Northwest Missouri State had moved ahead of Westbrooks in the rotation, backing up Sims.
“We wanted to see what we had in Matt,” Williams said. “It’s important when you have that culture that we have in our (meeting) room in there, that they know that we’re watching.
“Matt has been practicing very, very well and we wanted to give him the opportunity. We wanted to reward that work ethic that he was showing. He did very well.”
But now it’s another opportunity for Westbrooks, who has 22 tackles and two sacks in nine games this season. He has been playing both end and tackle this season, and it’s been tricky finding a weight that makes him bulky enough to be effective inside but quick enough to get around the edge at end.
“He’ll get back in the mix (against Detroit),” Williams said. “You’ll see him do that. He has versatility on being able to play inside and outside. He’s a very powerful man, too.
“The big thing with him is I just don’t want to fill his head up with too many things where he has to over-think. So he can just play fast.”
Fast enough to get to the quarterback — which hasn’t been happening nearly enough for the Rams minus Quinn.
znModeratorfrom off the net
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TheDYVKX
Damn, I loved Worton at UCF. That’s a great flyer. He actually has talent and upside if he’s healthy. Would love to see him compete, he’s the type of guy that just ends up sticking.
znModeratorJJ Worton, WR/PR, Central Florida – 2015
Positives: Runs with adequate speed and is shifty after the catch or fielding punts. Has above-average body control, and can extend and snag fast passes at times. Fair concentration on passes in traffic. Above-average downfield blocker. Is also the holder on field goals.
Negatives: Not much change-of-direction ability. Poor ball security technique: he holds the ball away from his body while making moves – even on the goal line. Suspect punt return fielding hands and decisions, often returning in traffic or misjudging his position. Inconsistently able to extend – more often than not, he will body catch. Has a little bit of trouble adjusting to passes behind him. Below-average quickness. Below average routes and is fairly slow in and out of breaks.
znModeratorRAMS HAVE SIGNED FORMER UCF KNIGHT WIDE OUT JJ WORTON
http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/rams-have-signed-former-ucf-knight-wide-out-jj-worton/
Today the St. Louis Rams signed former UCF wide out JJ Worton. During his four-year career, at Central Florida, Worton recorded 168 receptions for 2,360 yards receiving and 21 touchdowns. He also contributed 740 punt return yards and returned a kickoff 22 yards for a touchdown.
Worton was best known for “The Catch,” a stunning one-handed touchdown grab that sparked a late rally at Temple two seasons ago. Worton stretched out and gripped the ball with his fingertips, refusing to drop it as he crashed into the end zone. The play was featured on NBC Nightly News, during which anchor Brian Williams said, “this is how we catch the ball in our dreams.”
Worton previously worked out for the Bears and Patriots this week, so there was clearly a decent amount of interest in him.
znModeratorThey promoted CB Eric Patterson from the practice squad to roster.
Jim Thomas @jthom1
2 Oct 2015…the Rams have signed CB Eric Patterson (Ball State) who was in camp w/Indy and w/Pats in offseason
Note: this is from a hodgepodge of different sources, with a part from here and a part from there. The only part I identify is the paragraph from Brandt.
Newly signed CB Eric Patterson comes over from offseason jaunts with the Patriots and Colts. Patterson was waived by the Colts after playing two games with them in 2015.
Gil Brandt: Cornerback Eric Patterson (5-9 1/4, 197) ran the 40 in 4.5 and 4.53 seconds. He had a 36 1/2-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-2 broad jump. He did the short shuttle in 4.38 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.01 seconds. He performed 18 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press. Patterson had a good pro day workout
Positive: Nice-sized cornerback with average ball skills. Quick up the field on the blitz, sacrifices his body to make tackles and gives effort defending the run. Aggressive, lays heavy blows on opponents and competes hard.
Negative: Slow backpedaling, struggles staying with receivers out of breaks and does not display sense of timing on pass defenses. Blows assignments on occasion.
Analysis: Patterson offers potential as a dime back at the next level but his greatest value will be returning kicks.December 11, 2015 at 11:37 am in reply to: status reports on the banged-up secondary & the banged-up defense in general #35514
znModeratorVisualizing the defense.
Red = not 100%
Blue = question mark…
Jenkins Johnson …Joyner Roberson
Gaines
McCleodMcDonaldAlexander
OgletreeBarron Laurinaitis Ayers
QuinnSims Donald/Fairley/ Brockers Long …Hayes Longacre WestbrooksDecember 11, 2015 at 11:31 am in reply to: status reports on the banged-up secondary & the banged-up defense in general #35513
znModeratorCorner update: Johnson back, Jenkins still in concussion protocol
Jim Thomas
Three injured Rams _ cornerback Trumaine Johnson, tight end Lance Kendricks, and defensive end Williams Hayes _ all had status upgrades Thursday, boding well for their participation in Sunday’s home game against the Detroit Lions.
Johnson (thigh) and Kendricks (concussion) were upgraded to full participation after being limited on Wednesday. Hayes (thigh) was limited after not practicing at all on Wednesday.
The rest of the Rams’ injury report remained unchanged: cornerback Janoris Jenkins (concussion), G/T Andrew Donnal (knee), K Zach Hocker (thigh), and P Johnny Hekker (not injury related/rest) did not practice for the second day in a row. That’s not good for Jenkins, in terms of clearing the concussion protocol in time for Detroit.
Also, WR Wes Welker (calf) remained limited, while K Greg Zuerlein (hip) and QB Case Keenum (concussion) were full participation.
DE Robert Quinn (back) and S T.J. McDonald (shoulder), who are both scheduled for season-ending surgery, have yet to be placed on injured reserve. Coach Jeff Fisher indicated Thursday that they probably would be replaced by practice squad players. One possibility is cornerback Eric Patterson, a second-year pro from Ball State.
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