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October 28, 2015 at 8:44 am in reply to: stuff from the net on Browns game including a must-read sideline report #33119
znModeratorfrom off the net
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Rams43I finally rewatched the Brown game…
I paid particular attention to our OL while rewatching. I mean, I replayed the snaps for each of the 5 guys on every play. Whew!
I don’t pretend to be an NFL OL coach, but here are the impressions I came away with…
It was as if there was a 1st half OL and then a 2nd half OL. Seriously…
IMO, they weren’t sustaining their blocks quite long enough in the 1st half. Then they saw their man break free and get involved in the tackle or clogging up the hole. I know that sounds simplistic, but check it out for yourselves if you have the game recorded.
I thought Barnes and Reynolds had VERY solid games, including the 1st half.
I thought Hav played pretty danged well for a rookie. I saw no glaring mistakes, anyway.
GRob is a mixed bag. He’ll make 8 nice blocks then have a whiff. Or a false start. Or a holding penalty. Then turn around and make a devastating block on a screen downfield to spring Austin or Gurley for a 10-15 yard first down. He can play in this league, maybe at a very high level someday. But he’s still a work in progress at this point. They put Reynolds at LG for a reason. It was to “look after” GRob. For example, I saw one play that GRob whiffed on his block but Reynolds immediately picked up his man which enabled Foles to get his pass off.
Jamon Brown was the weak link in our OL vs the Browns by far. Especially in the 1st half. Not so much in run blocking, but in pass pro. He was repeatedly abused by Starks. Hope this game didn’t harm his self confidence.
We haven’t yet scratched the surface in our screen game potential. Once it’s perfected, Austin and Gurley will be nightmares in that role.
Cook is a liability in our O at this point. We’ve all seen it. Don’t know why Foles would even be looking at him on pass plays anymore.
Austin is a genuine multifaceted playmaker. And to see him making key blocks tells me all I need to know about his heart and desire. I had formerly really underestimated him.
Trading for Barron is now looking like a genius move, huh? Wow!
Is there a more physical secondary in the entire league? Double wow! The whirlpool in Cleveland might have been the busiest in the NFL today. Lol.
Would you trade our D for any in the league? Me neither. It’s kinda reminding me of those great D’s of yesteryear. Late sixties, seventies, and early eighties. Sigh…
No real need to mention Gurley, is there? Except to say that he has vision, instincts, speed, and power like few others I’ve ever seen. He sees openings before they ARE openings, then cuts and bursts. His 16 yard TD is a classic example.
I’m pretty optimistic about our playoff chances. In fact, if we can get our OL and passing O merely up to league averages, we might be able to make a deeeep playoff run.
All for now. Comments welcome.
znModeratorfrom Oct 27
YAHOO
11. St. Louis Rams (3-3, LW: 15)
Are there 10 players in the NFL who are more exciting to watch right now than Gurley? He’s becoming like a young Adrian Peterson, where everything should stop whenever he gets handed the ball.
The AP Pro32
After falling one spot during their bye week, the St. Louis Rams moved up to 13th in this week’s Associated Press Pro32 poll, which was released Tuesday afternoon.
znModeratorfrom Oct 27
YAHOO
11. St. Louis Rams (3-3, LW: 15)
Are there 10 players in the NFL who are more exciting to watch right now than Gurley? He’s becoming like a young Adrian Peterson, where everything should stop whenever he gets handed the ball.
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Ten Takeaways from the Rams’ 24-6 Win Over the BrownsPosted by: Randy Karraker
http://www.101sports.com/2015/10/26/ten-takeaways-from-the-rams-24-6-win-over-the-browns/
For the first time since Sam Bradford’s last start for the Rams, the team is at 3-3, with a chance to move up in the standings AND a chance to go 3-0 in the division next weekend. A 24-6 win over Cleveland showed the stingy nature of the defense again, but the offensive identity continued to come into focus. With that, 10 takeaways from Sunday…
1) The first four Ram drives netted a total of sixteen net yards. At one point, the Browns had outgained the Rams 98-21. The offense looked bad. But in their final two quarters the Rams gained 200 yards and scored two touchdowns. They kept probing and found the holes in the Browns defense.
2) Rookie Todd Gurley ran nine times for 45 yards in the first half, 10-83 in the second. He’s the classic example of a back that just needs the ball. Some backs need to get involved and have a big run early. Gurley is one of those that you simply need to keep feeding the ball to. In his first three carries, he had minus-2 yards, then had a fourteen yard jaunt.
Then he had another minus-three yarder before ripping off runs of six, three, fifteen and twelve yards to end the first half. Then Gurley took off in the second half, scoring his first two NFL touchdowns. He’s a big play back who happens to be a pounder, too.
3) The defense forced four fumbles. That’s ten takeaways in the last three games for the Rams, and a plus-5 ratio. Teams that finish plus-3 in the turnover battle have a .933 winning percentage over the last seven seasons, and teams in plus territory win almost 79% of the time. Gregg Williams’ unit is doing their part, and with San Francisco up next at the Dome, we should see more takeaways.
4) The Rams solidly closed this one. In one of our returns in the Rams pregame show, we hear Jeff Fisher yell to his team “finish, finish, finish.” On Sunday, the Rams finished. In the last 17:20 the Rams outscored Cleveland 14-0 and the defense held the Browns to a punt, two fumbles, and a turnover on downs in their last four possessions. On both sides of the ball, the Rams finished.
5) Mark Barron is versatile. We wondered here how the Rams would use Mark Barron in trying to fill the shoes of the injured Alec Ogletree. Barron has stepped up like a seventh pick in the draft should. He finished with sixteen tackles, according to press box stats. He was all over the place. Once again, we see how Williams’ creativity benefits the overall defense, this time in moving a safety to full-time linebacker. This is perhaps the most versatile group of defensive players on one team in the NFL, and Barron is as versatile as any Ram defender.
6) The defense didn’t let Chris Long’s absence get them down. Long is the heart and soul of the defense, but he’s out with a knee injury. William Hayes, filling in for Long, had two sacks. And, to their credit, the defense played with grit and determination. Only allowing two field goals to the Browns, the way they’ve been moving the ball, is a major achievement. There were plenty of chances to let down emotionally, but they didn’t.
7) Kenny Britt had one catch for 41 yards, 25% of the passing yards Nick Foles had. And it was a big one late in the third quarter that set up Gurley’s first NFL touchdown.
The Rams threw the ball only 23 times, and wide receivers were targeted eleven times…with Tavon Austin getting seven of those targets. Britt was thrown to twice, Stedman Bailey and Brian Quick once each.
Obviously, Fisher’s offense is based on throwing the ball to tight ends and running backs. If you have a Rams wide receiver other than Austin in a fantasy league, you need not have him on your roster.
8) Jared Cook already had the dropsies, and his second quarter fumble blew a chance for a score. If Cook isn’t going to block and is going to drop as many balls as he does, it’s imperative that his ball security be pristine. He has not delivered on his massive contract so far. When Isaiah Pead fumbled, Fisher said if he put him in the game and he fumbled again, it would be on the coach. The same should apply to Cook. If his play continues this way, the Rams need to look for someone else to do the job.
9) The attendance was announced at 51,523. There were probably 35,000 in the house. If the league DOES care about attendance, then Sunday was not a good showing for St. Louis. Like the Rams, the Raiders attendance has been announced at around 55,000 for their three home games, while San Diego has had crowds of 66,000, 63,000 and two of 67,000-plus.
10) The last time the Rams got to 4-3 was 2006, Scott Linehan’s first year as head coach. They have a chance to get there next Sunday when the struggling San Francisco 49ers visit. It’s important for the Rams to put back-to-back wins together if they’re ever going to ascend to the league’s elite. There’s no reason for the Rams to lose to the 49ers. I’m a Missouri guy. Next week is an opportunity for them to show me.
znModeratorRAMS DEFENSE, WEEK 8 AFTER THE BROWNS GAME
Rankings relying on avgs. and percentages because teams haven’t played the same number of games so you can’t compare them straight up. Especially bad ones in red, especially good ones in blue.
AVG YARDS PER GAME: 12TH
AVG. YARDS PER PLAY: 10TH
3RD DOWN CONVERSION PERCENTAGE: 12TH
RUSHING YARDS PER GAME: 14TH
YARDS PER RUSH ATTEMPT: 12TH
COMPLETION PERCENTAGE: 32ND
PASSING YARDS PER GAME: 17th
YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT: 15TH
AVG. OPPONENT PASSER RATING: 20TH
SACKS PER GAME: 3RD
SACK PERCENTAGE: 2ND
INTERCEPTIONS PER GAME: 17TH
FUMBLE RECOVERIES PER GAME: 2ND
TAKEAWAYS PER GAME: 5TH
POINTS ALLOWED PER GAME: 10TH
POINTS PER GAME BY OPPOSING OFFENSE ONLY: 4TH
REDZONE SCORING PERCENTAGE (TDS ONLY): 1ST
October 27, 2015 at 11:17 am in reply to: network analysts & others on Gurley (the Gurley-fest thread) #33071
znModeratorNFL Network: Gurley is One of the NFL’s Top RBs
The NFL Network’s Fantasy Live crew takes a closer look at rookie Todd Gurley and compares him to some of the NFL’s top running backs.
znModeratorIn terms of targets:
Tavon is tied with Cook at 32 targets each.
Of that, Cook has a 53 percent rating(17-32) and Tavon has a 62.5 percent rating(20-32)
Next on the list is Kenny Britt with 24 targets. 50 percent(12-24)
Then it’s:
Cunningham: 76.2 percent (16-21)
Bailey: 55.6 (10-18)
Kendricks: 50 percent (7-14)
Gurley: 87.5 (7-8)
Mason: 50 (3-6)
Quick: 25 (1-4)
Harkey 66.7 (2-3)
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/nfl-player-receiving-targets/2015/
Here’s more stats from that site:
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/teams/matchup/343-st.-louis-rams-vs-359-san-francisco-49ers/This 9ers game should be a high scoring affair–the number 31 ranked offense(Rams) vs. the #32 ranked offense(9ers)
Both teams are particularly woeful trying to pass the football.
I raised similar issues myself in a previous thread. The thing is, this season 4 receivers—Kendricks, Cook, Britt, and Quick—have fallen off their 2014 drop and catch percentages. Catches down, drops up.
Either all 4 regressed at once, which makes no sense, or there is something systemic going on.
I voted for systemic. IMO like 2011 drops go up when an offense is not in sync yet and so not confident in what they’re doing yet.
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znModeratorYeah, but wouldn’t how long he holds the ball be partially out of his control? If his first read is open he can throw quickly. But if his first read fails to get separation, then he has to move through his other reads until he finds someone who is open which means he has to hold the ball longer.
So we just can’t say “Foles should just throw quicker”, because when he throws isn’t entirely up to him.
That’s his problem. He struggles with reads after his first. One way out of this is to tell in advance, from pre-snap reads, who is likely to be free when the ball is snapped. That was Warner;s thing. BUT that’s not even the simplest solution. The simplest is a lot of 3 step drops and bang, quick passes.
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LMU93Apart from the Rams’ division games I’d call that Vikings’ game a must-win to have a shot at a playoff berth. Long way to go but could be a factor come late December.
If you assume both Minnesota (vs. Chicago) and the Rams (vs. SF) win this weekend, then they’re both in wildcard contention.
A Rams win vs. the Vikings would have them both at 5-3 but the Rams would have not only the head-to-head tiebreaker but a 4-2 record in the NFC vs. 3-2 for Minnesota.
znModeratorThanks as always. I especially appreciated your fair take on GR, who is getting a lot of negative commentary this week, even though he is improving bit by bit and it showed against the Browns. Not a high grade yet but he;s getting there.
znModeratorSF is
31st in total defense (yards)
22nd in points allowed
20th in rushing defense
32nd in passing defense
18th in sacks
32nd in total offense (yards)
32nd in points for
31st in passing
18th in rushing
31st in sack percentage (offense) with an absurd 11%
(Seattle is worse in sack percentage with 13.2%)
znModeratorGordon: Rams’ offense needs to put pieces together
Jeff Gordon
The Rams’ offense didn’t need to get busy until the second half Sunday. The Jeff Fisher-Gregg Williams defense had things covered until then.
Safety Rodney McLeod gave the Rams a quick 7-0 lead with his fumble recovery return. Soon thereafter, defensive end William Hayes clubbed another fumble loose, setting up a a field goal.
At that point the Rams had a 10-0 lead despite traveling just 3 yards on six offensive plays. Their struggle continued through the first half as they netted just 108 yards and went 0 for five on third downs against an ordinary Browns defense.
They reached the red zone once in the first half — and tight end Jared Cook immediately coughed up the ball at the Cleveland 17 after catching a pass from quarterback Nick Foles.
The Rams finally sustained some offensive possessions in the second half en route to their 24-6 victory. But still …
“We’ve got to start getting better,” Fisher said during his postgame media briefing. “We’ve got to hang on to balls and protect the football. The same thing that plagued us in recent weeks — and most of the year — is we have to get going earlier and get those first downs under our belt during the first half.”
That is atop the team’s to-do list as the Rams prepare to face the reeling San Francisco 49ers Sunday at the Edward Jones Dome. At 3-3, the Rams have an opportunity to push over .500 and gain traction in the playoff race.
Fisher’s defense is ready for that challenge. So is running back Todd Gurley, who is as dangerous as any ball-carrier in the NFL these days.
But to bid for the NFC West title or emerge from the pack of wild card hopefuls, the Rams must build a better-balanced and more efficient offense.
That must start with offensive line improvement. Garrett Reynolds isn’t a terrible replacement for injured guard Rodger Saffold, but the other four linemen are still developing on the fly.
Second-year left tackle Greg Robinson remains as a work in process, as does rookie right tackle Rob Havenstein. Rookie guard Jamon Brown is coming along nicely and center Tim Barnes is surviving his first full tour as a starter.
Foles offered his typically polite assessment of the unit after Sunday’s game.
“They’ve been playing hard,” he said. “They have been working hard. They opened up some seams on the run game. We got some stuff going on the pass game, we were able to get some completions when we needed them.”
All that is technically true, but the line still struggled to deliver a consistent push in the run game. It held up better than it did at Green Bay, but it still suffered some untimely breakdowns in pass protection.
A prime example came in the third quarter. The Rams came flying at the Browns with an up-tempo, no-huddle attack, highlighted by Gurley’s 48-yard sprint. They rolled down to the Cleveland 8 before Browns defensive end Randy Starks sacked Foles for a 9-yard loss.
That created a third-and-goal situation back at the 17. The Rams didn’t convert, then Greg Zuerlein missed a 35-yard field goal try to leave them clinging to a 10-6 lead about midway through the quarter.
Against a better team, that offensive failure could have turned the game.
But at least the Rams found something with that shift to a no-huddle attack. “It’s just a way to try to show them something different,” Foles said. “Just try to go fast and put some pressure on the defense and get some rhythm going.”
They stayed up-tempo on their next drive and Foles hit Kenny Britt on a 41-yard bomb to the Cleveland 1. Finally the offense scored a touchdown, on Gurley’s subsequent conversion. Finally the offense had something to build on.
Foles endorses the further use of this no-huddle attack during the rest of the games.
“I love it, I love it. I have a big history of it,” Foles said. “It’s what I did in college, high school, even in Philly. So I love the offense we’re playing. I think it’s great to be able to do that. I think it really helps open things up and create some rhythm. So it’s fun to go out there and do that.”
Of course, the Rams will need more than a brisk tempo to finally arrive offensively. They need much more production from their tight ends, who should benefit greatly from Gurley’s emergence.
A serious run threat makes the play-action passing game more dangerous. It creates the potential of freezing linebackers and safeties for a tick or two, creating room for Cook and (when healthy) Lance Kendricks to operate.
Of course, these guys have to actually CATCH THE BALL and HANG ON TO THE BALL when it comes their way.
The Rams got Tavon Austin more involved in the second half against the Browns, but Foles still needs to make more downfield plays to him. The same goes for Stedman Bailey, a fine runner of routes.
Then there is the still untapped potential of rangy receivers Britt and Brian Quick. Britt won the battle for a deep ball along the right sideline Sunday. Quick, still coming back from a nasty shoulder injury, tried to use his size to do the same.
Couldn’t we see that every weekend? Is it possible, in our lifetime, to see Foles get in sync with all four receivers at the same game?
Rams fans are dreaming of that day. We’re guessing Foles is as well.
This team has lots of pieces, but the offense is a half-finished puzzle. Maybe, just maybe, this favorable shift in the schedule will give the Rams a chance to finally put it all together.
October 27, 2015 at 2:44 am in reply to: network analysts & others on Gurley (the Gurley-fest thread) #33054
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STL-CLE GRADES: GURLEY SHOWS VALUE IN RAMS’ WIN
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/26/stl-cle-grades-gurley-shows-value-in-rams-win/
– First-round pick Todd Gurley (+4.7) showed why the Rams where willing to break the trend of not drafting a RB high. Gurley forced 11 missed tackles in the run game, which is the highest amount by any runner on running plays this season. To go along with his missed tackles, Gurley averaged 5.8 yards after contact per attempt, gaining over 100 yards alone after contact.
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against the Browns a ridiculous 86.7 percent of his yardage came after contact with Cleveland defenders.
… he broke 11 [tackles] against Cleveland on just 19 carries.
October 27, 2015 at 2:41 am in reply to: network analysts & others on Gurley (the Gurley-fest thread) #33053
znModeratorfrom BEST PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION FOR WEEK 7
Running back: Todd Gurley, Rams (+4.2)
This might not be the last time we see Gurley on this team. He was incredible in forcing 11 missed tackles, looking like the kind of weapon the Rams have desperately needed.
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TODD GURLEY LOOKS LIKE HE’S GOING TO BE A STAR
Rams rookie RB Todd Gurley was PFF’s top-graded running back this week.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/26/todd-gurley-looks-like-hes-going-to-be-a-star/
Welcome to the Todd Gurley Show. The St Louis Rams selected Gurley with the No. 10 overall pick in the draft despite a significant knee injury he suffered at Georgia that they knew would likely leave him still recovering by opening day. In Week 3 the Rams unleashed Gurley on the league, and since that game they have been intent on seeing a return on their investment.
In three starts he has carried the ball 68 times and gained 435 yards, notching his first two touchdowns this week against the Browns.
His production has been consistently impressive, but the percentage of that production Gurley alone is responsible for has been on the rise each week. Against the Cardinals and Packers Gurley gained between 43 and 48 percent of his yards after contact, but against the Browns a ridiculous 86.7 percent of his yardage came after contact with Cleveland defenders.
In his first two starts combined he broke seven tackles – two against Arizona and then five against Green Bay – but he broke 11 against Cleveland on just 19 carries.
He already leads all rookies in rushing yards and yards after contact and is just four behind San Diego’s Melvin Gordon – the No. 15 overall pick — when it comes to broken tackles.
His 6.0 yards per carry average also leads all rookies (and is tied for second among all running backs), and the 3.5 yards per carry he is averaging after first contact is again the best among rookies, and trailing only Lamar Miller and Le’Veon Bell among all running backs.
The Rams wanted a work-horse running back that they could load up and ride to glory the way Jeff Fisher did to Eddie George back in the day with the Oilers/Titans. Gurley already looks uniquely qualified from this draft class to excel with that kind of responsibility and workload, and we are beginning to see why some saw him as head and shoulders above any other runner in this rookie class.
He was the highest-graded running back in the league this week, and his score was the third-highest figure of the season among running backs.
Gurley is clearly a special talent and the scary thing is, so soon into his comeback, there may be plenty more to come from him.
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znModeratorRams still have miles to go on offense
Jim Thomas
So here’s the good news: The Rams no longer are the NFL’s 32nd-ranked offense. On the strength of a 308-yard outing against Cleveland, the Rams have moved out of the cellar.
OK, it helped that San Francisco managed a measly 142 yards in last Thursday’s 20-3 loss to Seattle. But the Rams are now 31st in total offense, moving ahead of the last-place 49ers, who come to town Sunday for a noon kickoff at the Edward Jones Dome.
No truth to the rumor that first downs in the Rams-49ers contest will be marked by stoppages in play, and party favors will be handed out after scores.
But even after a dominating 24-6 victory over the Browns, in a game that wasn’t as close as even that final score might indicate, coach Jeff Fisher realizes the offense still needs work. Plenty of work.
“We just can’t rely on Todd (Gurley) all the time,” Fisher said. “At some point, it’s gonna get hard to run the football until we start making some plays outside.”
As you may have noticed, Gurley has been stellar since moving into the starting lineup three games ago. He has topped 100 yards rushing in all three contests, and including the 9 yards he gained in his NFL debut against Pittsburgh, he now has 442 yards rushing in basically 3½ games.
That already puts Gurley at 12th in the league in rushing, and six of the 11 rushers ahead of him have yet to take their bye week. Gurley has accounted for three of the top 19 individual rushing games throughout the NFL this season. His 6.0 yards per carry is tied for the league lead among players with at least 30 carries.
As quarterback Nick Foles says: “He’s just an animal, really.”
That’s all good. But the Rams have been unable to build and expand off that foundation. The passing game continues to struggle, and even with respect to Gurley and the running game, slow starts continue to plague the offense.
“We’re still having some issues offensively that we’ve gotta get fixed,” Fisher said. “Namely, first downs and third downs. So we’re gonna continue to work on it. The players understand.”
A consistent theme in Fisher’s remarks Monday was that the offense has to get better across the board. It can’t just be the Todd Gurley Show, because sooner or later the Rams are going to experience a Sunday where an opposing team either has the talent or comes up with the scheme to take him away.
Fisher said teams already are stacking the box with an extra defender to keep the lid on Gurley.
“Arizona did it. Green Bay did it. And so did Cleveland,” Fisher said. “We’ve gotta do more with his teammates around him. We’ve gotta get more production out of the other players, get the ball down the field, take advantage of that. And that’s what we’re working on.
“Getting open. Creating opportunities for them to get open. And then making the throws.”
Even though wide receiver Brian Quick has been back for three games, with his playing time upped from six plays against Arizona to 20 against Green Bay and 26 vs. Cleveland, he still has only one catch for 10 yards. He has been targeted only four times in those games, so he really hasn’t been integrated into the offense.
“When you look at the number of snaps we have and the number of pass attempts, it’s hard to get people targeted when you attempt 23 passes,” Fisher said.
True. Rams opponents have completed almost as many passes (158) as the Rams have attempted (166) this season. And that’s not simply because the Rams are leaning heavily on the run game since the emergence of Gurley.
The Rams simply aren’t running enough plays. They’re averaging only 53.7 offensive plays a game; their opponents are averaging 66.2 plays a game against them. That’s a differential of more than a dozen plays a game, so in essence Rams opponents are getting a couple of extra drives.
Which gets back to the inefficiency on first downs and third downs. Don’t be confused by the Rams’ league-leading average of 7.37 yards on first down. That number is grossly inflated by a handful of monster plays on first down.
Seven of the Rams’ eight plays this season that have gained 40 yards or more have come on first down. That includes runs of 55, 52 and 48 yards by Gurley, and receptions of 68 yards (Stedman Bailey), 47 yards (Tavon Austin), 42 yards (Benny Cunningham), and 41 yards (Kenny Britt).
But far too often, a lack of success on first down has led to second-and-long. In addition, the Rams have been lousy on third down all season. Their third-down conversion rate of 28.8 percent is 31st in the league, trailing only Miami’s 28.6 percent.
Things were even worse against Cleveland, with the Rams converting just one of nine third-down plays, or 11 percent.
Simply catching the ball better, and having better ball security will help. Fisher noted a catchable ball that was dropped by Britt on the Rams’ opening series. It would have been maybe a 7-yard gain. No big deal, except that it meant second-and-10 instead of second-and-3. Not the best way to keep the chains moving.
As might be expected, Fisher was not happy with a lost fumble by tight end Jared Cook at the Cleveland 15 that cost the Rams a chance to pad their lead in the second quarter.
“I have confidence in him,” Fisher said. “He’s just got to end that. He’s got to protect the football. Our defense will help him learn how to protect the football after a catch this week. I assure you of that.”
Will there be special drills for Cook?
“No, he’s just gonna have to carry it all the way back to the huddle, and carry it in the locker room, that’s all,” Fisher said.
October 26, 2015 at 9:32 pm in reply to: stuff from the net on Browns game including a must-read sideline report #33033
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Marshall’s Faulk28HOFSIDELINE REPORT (zn note: MF28HOF has done these before. He works with the guys who supply oxygen on the sideline)
yes I consider myself lucky. As a fan its pretty freakin awsome. I get 2-3 games a year. This is game #2… I worked the Colts preseason game. I’m hoping to get at-least one more. Its interesting because its not all the TV shine, the NFL network stuff etc. its the real gritty part of the sport of football. Whenever you go to the games. Look for the people on the sidelines right behind the bench in bright bright red shirts. Thats my crew. Can’t miss us…the shirts are really bright red so the players and trainers can see us…I will say we assist the medical staff and leave it at that…its nothing top secret but I just don’t want to get into it on the internet. …if you look for us, we are easy to spot and you would see how close we are to everything…we really are lucky. If I never get a chance to do it again, I have got some life long memories….I’m lucky for sure. NFL films wont tell or show alot of this part. Like I said earlier even reporters and photographers, former players etc. are banned from that part of the sidelines.
Its a world in a world. You would be shocked how short half time is…on TV it feels like a half hour, in real time its like 10-15 min tops.
Here’s another funny tid bit…at half time our equipment room is next to the locker room. We’re all in there eating hot dogs together, players, staff, doctors etc. lol. Its so surreal!I want to start with two things.One, I actually spoke to Demoff back by the locker rooms. I walked up to him and point blank asked him… good afternoon Kevin, will the Rams be here next year and he said with a smile “I sure hope so,” he smiled and then he winked…I have absolutely no idea what that meant”. The guy that was working with me goes “what does that mean”? It was the weirdest thing…but I think most of them have no idea. In talking to guys in the organization some say, yeah we are out of here, the next guy says no one really knows…so take that for what its worth…but they are all on guard when the question is brought up.
Secondly, most of this will be about Gurley and the offense because that’s what I chose to focus on…. I was not concerned about watching the game because I had it recorded at home. And its always hard to see between everything in front of you…These guys are taught not to really watch the game when they come off the field because you have be coached up, so they want you focused on your position coach. So that’s why its actually interesting on the bench because most of us armchair coaches really have no idea what we are talking about most days lol.
Todd Gurley: He is huge. You don’t get a sense of the size of some of these guys until you actually stand next to them in uniform. Tv does it no justice. He is big. Not as big as SJ39 but you quickly see why you have too bring your hardhat for 4 quarters when you play the Rams now.
We all saw what he did on the field so I’m not going to get into that..but I will tell you this kid gets it. He is the least cocky rookie superstar in the making I can think of in recent memory. He is cool with the fans, he’s cool with media and he cool with vets.
In the first half when things weren’t going well, in the 2nd quarter they had come off the field, I think it was a 3 and out. He (the rookie) pulled the entire offense in a huddle, O-linemen, WRs and TEs and Foles and said, ” We are fine. We just gotta keep pushing. We are close to pushing through, I got ya’lls back. And I know you got mine. We gonna keep pushing”.
Its amazing to see guys responding to this kid. I was really shocked because he seems sort of quiet and reserved. He is not on the field. He accepts coaching well, asks alot of questions and was constantly asking Tre Mason what he was seeing out there…Benny Cunningham is a pros pro…He is constantly in Todd’s ear on what he’s seeing as well..
Todd got tackled for a loss on a play when they came off the field and back to the bench he went straight to offensive line. Went to each lineman, looked each one in the face and told them we’re almost there…He said that was my fault I saw the crease too late. He is constantly telling guys you are doing great. Kept pumping them up, constantly being encouraging to them…I mean you talk about leadership. I am telling you as the season goes on you will start to hear more and more about his leadership. Its really remarkable and then he is going on the field and backing it all up.
Who was the first person to calm Cook down after the fumble? You guessed it…Gurley. He sat down next to him and said, Bro, its all good. Don’t worry we will get it back. We need you with us bro. He calmed Cook down who was clearly pissed at himself.
I’m telling you this kid is fast becoming a team leader. I was on the defensive side of the bench when Gurley did the hurdle play. Robert Quinn was simply speechless. He looked at Hayes and just shook his head in amazement.
I think we all are seeing what the hype is about…you have to remember we all, including his teammates are seeing him for the first time. Remember no training camp no preseason. We are all witnessing it together. You really don’t know who’s who until they get in the games.
They were giving him a little chit,(in a friendly way) when everyone was chanting his name. It was really cool.
The kid gets it and he seems humble. Really humble. He knows hes a rookie and does well to try to stay in his place as his star continue to grows. It really was impressive to watch. Its interesting to say the least.
I like Foles’ presence as well…He may be game manager on this offense but he is also a leader. After Gurley stopped talking to Cook after the fumble Foles went over to him got down on one knee, got in his face and said, look I need you… I’m going to continue to come to you…stay with me bro..it was impressive.
The offensive line: Boudreau was going nuts after the penalty on G-Rob. He laid into G-Rob like nobodies business. He said very loudly that is some real “female body part” chit out there..! G-Rob just looked dumbfounded…Garrett seems to be the calming force. Boudreau was constantly talking to Barnes. Obviously there was a couple of communication issues in the run game. They got it corrected in the second half. Fun game to be at..finally came home last night and got a chance to watch the full game. I always find it funny that these players are using the bathroom on the sidelines and no one ever knows it.
If Gurley can stay healthy and they put a few more pieces around him like human beings that can get open catch the ball he could be even more dangerous. AP is just now getting some real offensive talent around him on the backend of his career. Rams have to do that now not 10 years from now
…the running backs typically sit next to the TEs. Mason was totally into it. He didn’t look upset or not like he wasn’t paying attention. But if you are injured you’re sort of an after thought…after the fumble you can clearly tell Cook’s confidence is at an all time low. I think that’s why Foles went and got in his face and told him he was going to keep throwing to him…he was really quiet and to himself after the fumble. Good thing they won, because that’s all anyone would’ve been talking about..Cook is suffering from a confidence issue at this point. This offense was supposed to feature him in the passing game and now he can’t be counted on…we all see it.
This team really seems to like each other. multiple team leaders. I don’t think there are any real knuckleheads on this team. Part of the reason Givens was a bit easier to get rid of…Jenks is the closest you have to that and he really has been a model citizen off the field.
Tru is becoming another intimidation factor on this defense.Teams are throwing his way and he is making WRs pay when the catch the ball. Greg Williams came over to Tru after a tackle and told him ‘Thats what I’m talking about, make them feel you when they want to throw your way”!
October 26, 2015 at 9:08 pm in reply to: stuff from the net on Browns game including a must-read sideline report #33031
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alyoshamucciThat was a satisfying victory because we did not get in rhythm passing and it didn’t matter. Gonna run through it as quick as I can … trying to focus more on college stuff ..
The Great
1) Gurley is so good that no none can “get us away form the run” … because his YPC is off the charts. He is best RB I’ve ever seen …
2) William Hayes making CL Proud!!!!!
3) Our DBs, including the spur Barron and nickel Joyner, may be the best group in the NFL. Jenks and Tru are both playing shutdown games, and McDonald and McLeod are really punishing people.
4) Double mention on Barron … he could play that spot. I like him there making 16 tackles a game.
The Good
5) Fairley’s hustle on the Fumble.
6) Donald at 4.5 sacks …
7) Austin’s TWO downfield blocks that sprung TG2.
8) Marquez actually flattened inside inside the goal to keep himself from touching the ball on the downed punt. Really aware.
The Bad
9) Britt missed a hot read, and Cook … well .. yeah.
10) Stedman the facemask? why?
11) GZ you are a random dude. One of these days you need to kick one of those 60+ yarders straight.
That’s the least amount I’ve done … think most of the stuff was covered though. I miss anything major?
znModeratorMonday Wrap-Up: Correcting the Offensive Issues
Myles Simmons
The Rams have received outstanding production from running back Todd Gurley over their last three games, but the rest of the offense has not fared quite so well.
That said, St. Louis has won two of those three games — including Sunday’s 24-6 victory over Cleveland — and it’s always easier to correct things after a win than a loss. Head coach Jeff Fisher said that was part of his message to the team as it went through the film on Monday.
“We’re going to continue to work on it. Players understand,” Fisher said. “We took advantage of the film study and review time to move forward in preparation for the 49ers. So that’s been kind of the theme today is, let’s get things corrected, and get better, and go play San Francisco.”
As Fisher has talked about before this season, he said in his Monday press conference the Rams’ two most significant offensive issues are getting more first downs and converting third-down opportunities. On Sunday, they netted 16 first downs but were just 1-of-9 in third-down efficiency.
That’s why the onus falls on the entire unit to improve production.
“We need to do better across the board offensively,” Fisher said. “Getting open, creating opportunities for [receivers] to get open, and then making the throws.”
That’s especially because Fisher said teams have already started placing more men in the box to try to defend Gurley.
“Arizona did it. Green Bay did it. And so did Cleveland,” Fisher said. “We’ve got to do more with [Gurley’s] teammates around him. We’ve got to get more production out of the other players and get the ball down the field. Take advantage of that and that’s what we’re working on.”
GOING NO HUDDLE
The offense did get going after halftime, particularly when the team elected to speed up the tempo. The Rams do not utilize much of their no-huddle offense, but did so effectively in the second half on Sunday.
“We sped the tempo up just a little bit in the second half and that helped us a little bit,” Fisher said. “Nick was good with that. That doesn’t mean we’re going to do it this week, but it was a good adjustment as far as most of the third quarter was concerned.”
Foles said after the game he’s comfortable going no huddle, as he has a long history with it from high school, to college, to the pros. And Fisher said the quarterback made good adjustments with it throughout the third quarter.
“He got together with the offense and said, ‘These are the things we’re going to do. Let’s go do it.’ He did it,” Fisher said of Foles. “So, yeah, it’s good. I mean, we work on it. It’s a two-minute offense. We work on in it in practice.”
AUSTIN’S BLOCKING
Wide receiver Tavon Austin was one of the players instrumental in getting the offense in a rhythm, though not necessarily the way one would assume. He has been productive throughout the year, and continued that trend Sunday even though he like was not 100 percent, according to Fisher. The wideout had been listed as questionable due to a hamstring injury.
“That’s a sign of a real pro, the way he handled himself,” Fisher said.
Austin still took an end around for 21 yards, and made four receptions for 43 yards to lead the team. But it was his run blocking that really stood out. Listed at 5-foot-8 and 176 pounds, Austin hit some blocks on Gurley runs that probably made him feel much larger to Cleveland defenders — particularly on the running back’s 48-yard run and 16-yard touchdown.
“I think it’s a message to our receivers that they need to learn how to block like Tavon,” Fisher said. “Tavon’s a good blocker.”
FLIPPING THE GUARDS
With Garrett Reynolds inserted into the starting lineup with Rodger Saffold on injured reserve, rookie Jamon Brown flipped back over from left to right guard for Sunday’s contest. Fisher said he thought the switch worked out well for the most part for both Reynolds and Brown.
“JB’s problems that he had were more of the matchup against the defensive talent level versus the fact that he had moved from left to right, so he’ll be fine,” Fisher said, complimenting Browns’ defensive lineman Randy Starks.
The head coach added much of the reason for the switch was the communication factor between Reynolds and left tackle Greg Robinson.
“Greg’s a long ways away from things out there at left tackle, so it’s good to have Garrett in there communicating with him,” Fisher said.
znModeratorJeff Fisher Victory Speech vs. Cleveland
Head coach Jeff Fisher addresses the team following its Week 7 win over the Cleveland Browns.
October 26, 2015 at 8:19 pm in reply to: stuff from the net on Browns game including a must-read sideline report #33026
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NewMexicoRamBut no pics–my wife even complains that I’m not a photo guy.
First off, I want to THANK SignMan124 for allowing me to join his tailgate at Gate A before the game. Great time, met several Rams fans. I was a bit sad to hear that very few HERD members join the party there anymore. Not going there any further. Again, thanks SignMan124! Appreciate it!
The game was a Father’s Day gift from my family and my son-in-law’s family, so they flew both me and my son-in-law’s father, who is a Brown’s fan, but had never been at an NFL game before. He’s from Utah. Yes, the end disappointed him, but he had a great time. My first 2 Rams’ games were losses, 24-23 to the Bears in Chicago on a Monday night in Joe Namath’s last game, and in the Dome to the Seahawks 17-9 in 1997 when Tony Banks tired to stop the clock by throwing it into the turf with 0:00 on the clock. Since then, it’s Rams 6 wins and 1 loss!
Sat in section 145, 19 rows up, right on the north end zone line. Helped to listen to ESPN 101.1 FM during the game. The radio guys predicted Rams 24-14, saying “The Rams win comfortably” and that “Cleveland is due for a stinker offensively.” Someone on the radio also said the Rams needed to “keep pounding the rock.” Wow, how did fans at the game keep up before the big screens and ref mics?
I was worried there wouldn’t be much turnout because 12 minutes before kickoff, the stadium only looked 1/3 full. Within minutes, it appeared to fill about 80-85% full. Lots of Browns fans, but I’m not sure there were anymore opponents’ fans than in previous years.
Defense introduced. There were flames but no fireworks today. Live and learn.
The national anthem was by an opera singer. That last high note was shrill and uncomfortable. My reading glasses did stay intact.
My first surprise was the handoff on the opening KO, right in front of us. Must admit my fear factor gauge got turned on, thinking we would start at the 5 or something. A lot of dog barking followed, but by half-time, that noise was gone.
First series, 3 and out. Sigh. A lot of grumbling by the fans around me at that early point.
Soon after, the party got started. Jenkins caused the fumble and Macleod returns for the TD! Rumble!
Then Hayes gets his first sack and Rams fumble recovery! Party harder! Must say I was very surprised I could see the other end of the field so well from our level.
Another surprise—Gurley gets 5 yards on his first carry, and nary a peep out of the Rams faithful. Could it be that the fans are already expecting a lot more? Then another 3 and out for the Rams. Another sigh. But it’s 10-0, a nice head start.
Seemed that the Browns were making good on a lot of 3rd and longs. Feast or famine with this defense.
Gurley had another surprise—he can jump over people!
The Rams downed the punt at the 1 just in front of us. Looked good to me, but when the refs huddled after that, again, the fear factor gauge turned on, but it stayed good for the blue team by moving the ball up to the 4.
The next punt return by Tavon looked like he had a huge hole, but he was tripped up at the ankle. But it meant great field position—do something with it! False start, crowd goes quiet. Tavon drops a pass, some groans. The receivers sure weren’t helping; they just seemed to be jogging out there.
9:00 left before halftime, and the Rams have 9 yards rushing—yep, that’s pounding the rock. But many fans were ready to pound the floor in frustration.
Then the Browns started the false starts that continued on, and it started when the fans started to make noise on 3rd downs. I’ve heard louder in the Dome, but believe me, it did get loud. Someone showed up!
Before halftime, Gurley gave us a taste of what was to come. His 15 yard run showed some great feetwork. Now the O is moving right in front of us. Red zone cake. TD soon. Someone named Cook quickly blew the candles out by fumbling the ball. Up to that point, it was the only decent Rams drive.
What about all the Rams defensive offsides? The radio announcer said the Browns center was moving the ball slightly before the snap. Guess it wasn’t just the Rams who got some breaks from the refs, which my friend said was from the refs eating the Rams’ “home cooking.” LOL!
Then Aaron Donald gets into the backfield really quick for a one arm tackle on the back for a 5 yard loss. He almost took the handoff before the back did.
Gurley then gets a great run where he is just dragging people. And he just doesn’t look that big to me.
Halftime, Cleveland 139 yards, Rams 108 yards. NFL defense 1960’s style. 2nd half HAS to be Gurley time! I mean, Miami has already scored 45 points before halftime, and that’s with a new coach. Hmmmm……
Then Cleveland comes out hot from halftime, moving quickly down the field, but ends in a field goal. Good thing we have the 2nd ranked red zone defense. 10-6, too close for comfort.
Then Gurley runs on off for 47 yards to the 22—crowd goes wild! Now it’s time! All of a sudden, Gurley has a 9.3 yard/carry average.
Foles sacked, and the dog pound sounds are the loudest of the day. Well, maybe they were louder on the resulting missed FG. Got to be kidding me.
The no-huddle starts and the O gets hotter. A long pass to Britt—was he in? No, I was sitting on the goal line and even across the field I could see he was short. But all that did was lead to Gurley’s first NFL TD—and right in front of me! First of many to come! A lot of looseness in the defensive huddle right after that. Hopefully, they don’t get too loose. But at that point the Rams started to leave the middle wide open and the Browns took advantage.
On O, the Rams finally start pounding the rock, by both Tavon and Gurley. The handwriting is on the wall and the fans can sense it. Gurley TD on the other end of the field. #2 for his career.
There’s more action, even Johnny TD gets in, but it’s over. Rams kneel, and the Gurley, Tavon, defense show is over. Rams 24, Browns
znModeratorZuerlein has been a bit of a tease lately. Can we get a passing game with passes to our WRs?
They did in the 2nd half. Plays to Britt and Tavon led to Foles getting 11 YPR in that half, which of course is tops. If it weren’t for Cook’s fumble the results would have been better. It’s not the GSOT but it’s a start.
znModeratorbump because I am greedy for more
znModeratorI think you offer a fair take and there’s a lot I agree with, but I do not agree with this:
There’s been too much failure in building the OL and too much neglect of the WRs
First, they didn’t fail to build an OL, they built one. There are good reasons why PFF ranked the Rams OL 13th in 2013 (which to me means pretty good, effective) and ranked Long 7th among all OTs. I take PFF rankings as “more or less” and to me that was more or less right. It was a line that allowed them to play some good teams tough with an offense consisting of Clemens and Stacy. Stacy has not reproduced anything he did in 2013 since, with the Rams or anyone else, so I take it his production was mostly on the OL.
What killed that line was injuries, both in 2013 and 2014.
What they have now of course is a young, inexperienced line, and I don’t even think it will take until next year for it to become decently stable. I think considering what it is, it’s already ahead of schedule.
In terms of the receivers? Quick stepped up in 2014 and has not yet come back from the injury. Several receivers have all slipped at the same time, but since it is so many, that tells me it’s a systemic thing, not talent. If Britt and Kendricks were even as good as they were last year, for example, that would help solidify things. Tavon, in contrast, has been playing better than he ever has.
I never liked Cook but even he can settle down.
A combination of a young, inexperienced OL and a new qb? It’s actually doing better in a lot of respects than we had a right to expect.
So I don’t agree they failed to build an OL…I think injuries caused them to LOSE an OL, and forced them to start over.
I think the entire offense improves enough to be a decent contributor to a winning season. That’s just this year. To me the Cleveland game didn’t add anything…I’ve felt that way since the Arizona game. And besides, I never really bought the idea that this team always fell through against moderate to weak opponents. If you do the numbers on that, that’s mostly 2014…in 2012 and 2013, they don’t have those kinds of collapses at the rate they did in 2014. But then to me, 2014 was all about the qbs and injury diminished OL.
I won’t convince you, probably, which is fine. It’s interesting to get different views out there, in fact it’s probably the whole point of discussions like this.
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znModeratorWell, that’s quite a heavy burden you’re placing on me. I’ll certainly need a pay raise. Stock options are acceptable.
Well. There’s pie.

znModeratorRockRam
It was interesting to hear the post game comments from the Brown’s local analysts.
They thought that Cleveland was over matched in every phase of the game.
They were surprised at how the Rams Dline overwhelmed what the local reporters felt was a very good Oline.
They saw the Rams D as beating up the Brown’s O, and just the general physical level of play.
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Browns vs. Rams analysis
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-vs-rams-analysis-nate-ulrich-breaks-down-24-6-loss-1.635333
What went right: Strong safety Donte Whitner forced tight end Jared Cook to fumble at the Browns’ 15-yard line, setting up free safety Jordan Poyer for the recovery with 4:22 left in the first half and thwarting a drive by the Rams.
What went wrong: Where should we start? Starting quarterback Josh McCown suffered a right shoulder injury and might not be able to play next week. He accounted for two of the Browns’ four lost fumbles. They failed to score a touchdown. They committed 11 penalties — six on the offensive line, two on the tight ends, two on the defense and one on special teams — for 98 yards. The defense has yet to stop the run, and fans at the Edward Jones Dome were chanting the name of Rams rookie running back Todd Gurley in the second half because he dominated the Browns.
The bottom line: If McCown misses time because of his injured throwing shoulder, Johnny Manziel will start Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals with the NFL’s investigation into his Oct. 12 fight with his girlfriend hanging over his head.
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Cleveland Browns in big trouble after being beaten physically and emotionally in St. Louis
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/10/cleveland_browns_in_big_troubl.html#incart_river
ST. LOUIS — Josh McCown sounded like a man trying to talk with a swollen jaw. That’s because the Browns quarterback was belted in the jaw as he was knocked to the artificial turf.
He also banged his right elbow into a wall. His right shoulder is a problem, too.
Then there was coach Mike Pettine, whose voice was raspy, punctuated with some concerned head shakes.
“It’s a pretty simple formula to lose,” he said. “Turn the ball over three times, it results in 17 points. Commit 10 penalties, and a lot of them were self inflicted…”
It was a very grim Sunday for his team, losing 24-6 in St. Louis. The Browns sounded emotionally drained. They also looked and felt very black and blue after facing the Rams’ relentless and often overpowering defense.
Safety Jordan Poyer left the locker room with his arm in a sling from a shoulder injury. Poyer was starting for Tashaun Gipson, who has missed the last three games with an ankle injury.
Tight end Gary Barnidge had a tooth knocked out and took stitches in his lip at halftime. He kept playing and finished with six catches and 101 yards. Receiver Andrew Hawkins has a concussion.
As for McCown, it hurt to watch him stand at the podium and try to talk.
“Josh, how did it feel to hit the wall?” someone asked.
“It didn’t feel good,” he said.
Nothing did for the Browns on this day.
QUESTIONS HANGING OVER TEAM
The Browns are 2-5 and full of question marks that border on doubt.
It’s hard to imagine McCown being ready for next Sunday’s game against Arizona after all the shots that he took. He was sacked four times, knocked down another four times. He was under mental duress for four quarters.
If McCown is out, Johnny Manziel will start. Is he ready? He is talented enough? This may be a chance to find out, but it’s a very tough spot for the second-year quarterback.
The Browns are now 2-5 and full of question marks that border on doubt.“I hope people have not given up on me,” said Manziel, meaning the fans.
Manziel should not worry about that. Fans are always willing to embrace any quarterback who brings even the slightest semblance of hope.
IT’S MORE THAN THE QUARTERBACK
At the end of the first quarter, the Rams had three yards of offense and a 10-0 lead! That’s because two Browns fumbles led to a touchdown and a field goal in their first two possessions.
Travis Benjamin blew a block that led to Taylor Gabriel being blind-sided after catching a short pass and fumbling. Safety Rodney McLeod picked up the ball and bolting 20 yards for a touchdown.
On their next possession, McCown was hit and fumbled. The Rams recovered. That set up a field goal.
As for the rest of the game, the Browns never could find the end zone. The offensive line was physically dominated and shaken by the crowd noise. The Browns were flagged four times for false starts. They were penalized four times for holding penalties.
That happens when you’re being bullied by the opposing defense.
A HUGE CHALLENGE
For the Browns, the biggest obstacle will be not to think, “Here we go again.”
The team started last season with a 7-4 record, but lost its last five. Pettine was hoping for a quick start this year, but they are 2-5. So for those players here in 2014, they now have lost 10 of 12.
The Browns still have five games left with AFC North opponents. That’s a major obstacle. But so is the culture the Browns want to change.
I didn’t detect a lack of effort Sunday. But there was a real deficit when it came to confidence. That happens when the losses pile up.
“We were just shooting ourselves in the foot,” McCown said of the turnovers.
Right now, the Browns are limping emotionally, and that can be very hard to heal until a few wins come along.
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RockRamIt was interesting to hear the post game comments from the Brown’s local analysts.
They thought that Cleveland was over matched in every phase of the game.
They were surprised at how the Rams Dline overwhelmed what the local reporters felt was a very good Oline.
They saw the Rams D as beating up the Brown’s O, and just the general physical level of play.
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znModeratorI promise this thing is a staple of his. As I said you can see it if you watch college highlights.
Echoing the first post. Here’s college highlights. Look for the plays at 0.55, 2.29, & 2.45 in, they show the same thing.
znModeratorThat’s an interesting topic. You up for doing weekly updates?
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LMU93Now three straight with 125+ yards. If he does it again Sunday vs. San Francisco he’ll be one of 13 players ever with 4+ consecutive 125+ yard rushing games. The list:
6- Chris Johnson, Eric Dickerson, Early Campbell
5- Larry Johnson, Clinton Portis, Barry Sanders, OJ Simpson
4- Frank Gore, Clinton Portis, Terrell Davis, Marcus Allen, Otis ArmstrongBy the way, Steven Jackson had 3 straight 125+ yard rushing games three times- 2006, 2009 and 2011…
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