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Tyler Higbee, Tight End, Western Kentucky
Height: 6’6″ – Weight: 249 lbs. – Arm Length: 33 1/4″ – Hand Size: 10 1/4″
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Lance Zierlein
STRENGTHS Former wide receiver with a smooth, wide-open gait when he hits top gear. Has big hands. Had just one drop this season and showed ability to recover the catch when he juggled a throw. Becomes a body catcher who can protect the ball in traffic. Willing to work middle of the field and take hits. Quick and slippery off line of scrimmage and into routes. Very good acceleration out of his breaks and can be a tough cover for safeties. Has the speed and toughness to work all three levels of the field. Can own the Y-seam with his vertical speed and hands. Immediately opens and looks for expedited throws when he’s over the top of inside linebackers. Has frame for more muscle mass. Extremely competitive after the catch with speed, elusiveness and decent power. Can carry body tacklers after the catch.
WEAKNESSES Still has work to do filling out his frame. Slow to adjust to blocking assignment during flow of play. Not powerful enough yet to handle NFL edge power as inline blocker. Doesn’t run feet through block to sustain. Upright into his breaks. Needs route polish for underneath routes. Can get better at creating additional leverage through crisper routes. Suffered through a knee sprain that cost him four games before re-aggravating it in Conference USA Championship Game. Missed his bowl game and expected to miss Senior Bowl because of it.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 4
NFL COMPARISON Jordan Cameron
BOTTOM LINE Knee injury basically took six games away from him this season which could cause him to fly under the radar a little bit. Higbee has exciting athleticism and speed in the open field with the ability to separate from safeties on intermediate routes and threaten the deep middle. Higbee has soft, reliable hands and plus run-after-catch ability to finish plays. While he needs to beef up his frame and blocking ability, there is no doubting his pass catching talent.
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Jamie Newberg
STRENGTHS: Outstanding size and a terrific frame. Has length and above average straight-line speed. Can move for a 250-pounder.
In terms of hands, Higbee gets the job done. He pretty much catches everything thrown his way and can make the tough grab in traffic. Can go high and get the ball as well as getting down low. Former wide receiver is a good route runner. A load to bring done and has shown the ability to break tackles after the reception and gain additional yardage.
Solid as a blocker; tough and physical at the point of attack and does his job. Doesn’t blow anybody off the ball but he will put his hat on a defender and stay in front of him.
WEAKNESSES: Good, solid, all-around player without being a standout in any one area. Could be a little more dominating in the run game. Limited production until his senior season, and the jump in the level of competition will be significant. One-year starter still learning nuances of position.
IN OUR VIEW: This is a nice looking tight end prospect who has worked hard to put himself in this position, especially after making the position change. Along the way, Higbee has added 60 pounds. He’s athletic and versatile and in the right offensive system Higbee could really be a nice weapon in the NFL because he’s a guy that can be good in the run game and evolve into a tight end that work the middle of the field in the passing game and become a real threat.
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PFF
What he does best:
• Freakish athlete. Runs better than any tight end in the class. Few linebackers can stay with him up the seam.
• Wide-receiver-type ability after the catch. Broke 10 tackles on only 38 catches in 2015.
• Already has a feel for where and when to sit down in zones. Made a living on spot-routes over the middle.
• Three of his five highest-graded games came against WKU’s only Power-5 opponents.
• Ran pro-style concepts with 65 percent of his snaps coming in-line.
Biggest concern:
• Limited experience at the position. Started off as a receiver at WKU before switching to tight end.
• Frame to grow into the position, but looks undersized at the moment. Listed at 234 pounds in college and weighed in at 249 at the NFL combine.
• Not a polished blocker by any means, although he is willing and graded out positively in that regard the last two seasons. Weight and strength concerns don’t help in this area.
• Only 803 snaps over the past two seasons due to injury—wasn’t even a starting tight end for WKU until his redshirt-senior season.
Pro style comparison:
Ladarius Green, Pittsburgh Steelers. The comparisons here run deep, all the way to Green and Higbee’s limited playing time up until this point in their careers. Both are extremely gifted athletes that possess natural receiving ability, with ideal builds that are/were in need of muscle coming out college.
Bottom line:
As a pure receiver, there may not be a better option in the class. Higbee has abilities that you can’t teach a 6-foo-6-inch player. His inexperience, low level of competition, and size may make it hard for teams to justify drafting him early on, but his traits right now have future-starter written all over them.
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Highlights:
link to Rams site vid: http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Tyler_Higbee_Highlights_4th_Round_110th_Pick/7cce4b52-499e-4b5b-bf40-b009d95514b1
April 30, 2016 at 8:42 pm in reply to: Rams Sign 19 Undrafted Free Agents – Rams official list #43072znModeratorTCU RB Aaron Green signs with the #Rams
PLAYER OVERVIEW
Green arrived at Nebraska in 2011 as a top high school recruit, but with a crowded running back depth chart led by Rex Burkhead and Ameer Abdullah, He elected to transfer.
Green chose TCU over Baylor, Oklahoma and Texas Tech, sitting out the 2012 season due to transfer rules. He stepped into the starter role as a junior with a team-high 922 yards and nine scores, earning second team All-Big 12 honors. Green had his bests season in 2015 as a senior (10 starts) with a career-high 1,272 rushing yards and 11 touchdowns, earning All-Big 12 Honorable Mention honors.STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES
STRENGTHS: Balanced athlete and light on his feet to make sharp lateral cuts, creating with ankle-breaking jukes. Shifty movements and open-field wiggle to explode north-south. Easy acceleration to burst away from defenders in space. Natural run instincts to read blocks and usually has a plan at the line of scrimmage. Runs tough and keep his legs churning, fighting for every yard.
Focused receiver with reliable hands, often lining up in the slot. Has the chops to at least make an effort in pass protection. Only three fumbles in his career. Driven individual and well-respected by people around the program (“phenomenal young man”).
WEAKNESSES: Lacks an ideal build for the position and his frame doesn’t have the growth potential to get much bigger. Runs with minimal power and is limited as an inside runner. Tunnel vision at times and gets bounce happy, dancing and taking too many steps in the backfield.
Needs to take what is blocked for him instead of trying to create on his own. Bad habit of stopping his feet and won’t pick up yards after initial contact, too easily taken down by finger-tip tackles. Doesn’t have elite downfield speed and can be caught from behind.
Route-running and field sense need improved. Steps up as a blocker, but too easily knocked off his feet. Ball security needs improved, holding the ball too loose.
IN OUR VIEW: Green has video game-like cuts, making quick reads and reacting with his feet to keep defenders off-balance, but he needs space to be effective. He isn’t a strong between-the-tackles runner and struggles with congestion, not consistently trusting his vision or allowing blocks to develop. Green is quicker than fast with the athleticism to create on his own as a runner or receiver, but his lack of run power will limit his role in the NFL.
April 30, 2016 at 8:38 pm in reply to: Rams Sign 19 Undrafted Free Agents – Rams official list #43071znModeratorTCU RB Aaron Green signs with the #Rams
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Green was the best pass blocking RB in the nation according to PFF. Didn’t give up 1 pressure.
znModeratorRams close out draft by adding second receiver of Day 3 in Michael Thomas
Nick Wagoner
LOS ANGELES — The Los Angeles Rams went back to the pass-catching well with their third sixth-round pick, selecting wide receiver Michael Thomas of Southern Mississippi with pick No. 206.
My take: With the addition of Thomas, the Rams spent four of their five picks on Day 3 on either a tight end or receiver, selecting two of each. It was a logical approach for a team in serious need of help at both positions. Thomas is particularly intriguing and qualifies as a bona fide sleeper candidate after he wasn’t invited to the combine. Thomas was productive in 2015, finishing with 71 catches for 1,391 yards and 14 touchdowns. At 6-foot-1 and 200 pounds, he also offers decent size to a receiving corps that can use some.
Where he fits: Much like fourth-round choice Pharoh Cooper, there’s no shortage of opportunity for Thomas to come in and potentially win a spot on the roster. The Rams only have Kenny Britt, Tavon Austin, Bradley Marquez and Brian Quick returning among regulars from 2015 as Stedman Bailey’s status remains up in the air. Thomas is a true outside receiver and if he can adjust to the NFL and show some special-teams ability, he has a chance to make it.
znModeratorJack Wang @thejackwang
Rams have about 18-20 slots for undrafted free agents. Les Snead: “Even though it’s less sexy, it’s still an important part of the process.”Myles Simmons @MylesASimmons
Fisher says gaining secondary depth will be a focus of undrafted free agency. Team looking to bring in about 18-20 UDFAs.znModeratorfrom off the net
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jrry32
I never for a second thought we could get Pharoh Cooper, Tyler Higbee, and Mike Thomas today. AMAZING day. AMAZING. And Hemingway is also a talented pass catcher. Rams killed it today.
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Agreed that Goff and Higbee are quick starters. Coop is going to see a lot of snaps during the season, no doubt. But the darkhorse with enormous upside to shock folks is Thomas.
They have a new positional coach with NO preconceived notions of who deserves anything. And a guy with Thomas’ ability will have a truly rare opportunity to quickly climb that depth chart. Rare because of the new coach that is going to love his slant routes, along with ability far greater than what you normally see that late.
A lot of the holdovers on this roster are going to be fighting for their jobs. IMO.
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znModeratorRams add linebacker depth with Kentucky’s Josh Forrest in sixth round
Nick Wagoner
LOS ANGELES — The Los Angeles Rams went defense for the first time in this draft with their second sixth-round pick, selecting linebacker Josh Forrest of Kentucky with pick No. 190.
My take: The Rams continue to fill needs by finding some depth at linebacker. They parted ways with James Laurinaitis and Daren Bates during the offseason, leaving them thin behind starters Alec Ogletree, Mark Barron and Akeem Ayers. Forrest should offer some insurance behind new middle linebacker Ogletree. He’s 6-foot-3, 249 pounds and finished 2015 with 93 tackles, six for loss, three and a half sacks and two interceptions.
Where he fits: Other than Ogletree, Barron and Ayers, the Rams only have Cameron Lynch and Bryce Hager returning from the active roster last year. So Forrest would seem to be in a good position to potentially win a roster spot. The Rams will undoubtedly bring in more bodies through rookie free agency, so it’s no sure thing, but if he can pick up the defense and show some special teams ability he should have a shot to stick.
znModeratorRams double down on tight ends with Temarrick Hemingway in sixth round
Nick Wagoner
LOS ANGELES — The Los Angeles Rams continued to add help for new quarterback Jared Goff with their first sixth-round pick, selecting tight end Temarrick Hemingway of South Carolina State with pick No. 177.
My take: I’d be lying if I said I knew much about Hemingway but this much is clear, the Rams are addressing their needs in the passing game as much as possible. Hemingway had modest numbers in his final year of college with 38 catches for 418 yards and a touchdown in 2015. But he’s 6-foot-5, 244 pounds and ran a 4.7 second 40-yard dash. The Rams obviously think he has some upside and can compete for a roster spot.
Where he fits: Hemingway joins fourth-round pick Tyler Higbee in the fold as the Rams continue to attempt to add depth and competition to their tight end group. Lance Kendricks will be the primary option from the position and Cory Harkey remains as a blocker but if Hemingway can prove adept at running routes, catching passes and chipping in on special teams, there’s room for him to make the roster out of training camp.
znModeratorround 6, pick 190: Forrest, Josh ILB 6’3″ 249 Kentucky
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Remember watching him and thinking “this kid might slide and would be great to groom behind whoever”
Excellent pick.
When he closes it’s scary. He has WR “closing burst”
znModeratorCooper sounds like a good player. But a slot receiver described as a Swiss Army Knife? Isn’t that what Tavon Austin is?
Cooper can go long, too.
But yeah Tavon is more swiss army knife-ish than Cooper.
Though unlike Tavon Cooper is a real slot receiver.
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znModeratorVikings took Moritz Boehringer, the German Unicorn.
znModeratorstill 2 picks at 190 and 206
Meanwhile…more on Hemingway
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TEMARRICK HEMINGWAY, South Carolina State (6-5, 242, 4.72, 4): Three-year starter from Loris, S.C. “He has unbelievably long arms (34),” one scout said. “Good athlete. There’s a lot of things he can improve upon. He never really had formal coaching. He’ll be a mid-to-late round guy that in a couple years he’s going to be a solid starter. He already graduated in business. Sweet kid. He’s got really good intangibles but it will take a little while to get there.” Finished with 92 receptions for 1,080 (11.7) and three TDs. “People are trying to make it like he’s an athletic fast guy but he’s really not,” another scout said. “Just kind of has average.”
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Temarrick Hemingway, South Carolina State:
Although his Combine performance wasn’t special like James O’Shaughnessy’s work at last year’s Underwear Olympics, Hemingway’s 4.71-40, 4.31-20, and 6.88-Three-cone are all strong numbers that the film backs up.
This is important, because the NFL does not consider South Carolina State a bastion of future football stars. Although a South Carolina State player has been drafted in 2010, 2011, and 2012, there has been a 9-year gap where only a single player earned a selection.There are some fine alumni that the NFL noticed enough to draft, including Robert Porcher, Robert Geathers, Charlie Brown, Harry Carson and Deacon Jones. Hemingway has the budding skill to join this list.
If there’s one word to describe Hemingway’s game, it’s “deceptive.” At 6’5”, 244 pounds, he looks shorter and lighter on the field than his Combine measurements, but roll the tape and he plays bigger than his listed weight and moves faster than he appears. One of his best routes—the whip—epitomizes deception because it involves running a short, fast stem, turning fast at a 90-degree angle to one side and then stopping suddenly to break to the opposite side, forcing the coverage to overrun the first break. Hemingway dominates this route over and over again on tape and it could have served as a good predictor of his 20-Shuttle and Three-Cone times.
He’s also as good at braving physical contact for a catch as he is dishing out punishment as a blocker. Although his lean, muscular build has the capacity to support another 10-15 pounds. Hemingway rountinely controls edge players 15-20 pounds heavier with his punch, hand position, and drive. He’s adept at in-line blocks and stalk blocks in the flat. Give Hemingway a year of top-notch nutrition and focused training and he could be one of the reasons draft analysts change their tune about how they gauge the quality of a tight end class.
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znModeratorround 6, pick 177
TE TEMARRICK HEMINGWAY SOUTH CAROLINA ST.
OVERVIEW
Hemingway is not your typical tight end prospect. But his frame, fluidity and pass-receiving ability make him an intriguing threat worth developing. Hemingway earned first-team All-MEAC honors in 2015 as the Bulldogs’ second-leading receiver, making 38 receptions for 418 yards and one touchdown. This was not the first year that Hemingway was a major contributor in the passing game, as he put up decent numbers as a freshman (11-164, one TD), garnered third-team All-MEAC notice as a sophomore (26-223, four TD), and first-team accolades as a junior (18-257, one TD).PRO DAY RESULTS
Bench: 18 reps of 225 pounds
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Fluid, graceful gait with long, easy strides. Has short area movement like a basketball player. Nightmare matchup for linebackers with his whip routes and whip counters underneath. Has legitimate separation quickness. Raw, but moldable athlete. Gets off the snap and into his routes in a hurry. Can stop and open up with suddenness. Physical runner after the catch. Poor quarterback play slighted his true production potential.
WEAKNESSES Has lean frame that screams wide receiver over tight end. Not close to possessing the play strength needed to block on NFL level. Head ducker into contact and allows hands to spray wide of defenders framework. Route work was extremely limited and will require extended work on next level. Hands are suspect. Had issues with double catches and scouts question toughness to secure throws with looming safety nearby.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6 or 7
NFL COMPARISON Wes Saxton
BOTTOM LINE Intriguing vertical potential as matchup-based tight end, but his lack of play strength and route running experience could make him a long-term project if he is ever to become a true NFL contributor.znModeratorRams pick Pharoh Cooper No. 117
The Los Angeles Rams select former South Carolina wide receiver Pharoh Cooper with the No. 117 pick in the 2016 NFL Draft.
znModeratorRams keep adding pass-catchers with WR Pharoh Cooper in fourth round
Nick Wagoner
LOS ANGELES — The Los Angeles Rams continued to add help for new quarterback Jared Goff with their second fourth-round pick, selecting South Carolina receiver Pharoh Cooper with pick No. 117.
My take: The Rams are taking the obvious and logical approach to the fourth round by adding help for Goff. They absolutely have to find weapons for Goff after their receiving corps combined for fewer yards than Atlanta’s Julio Jones in 2015. Cooper might be a bit redundant with Tavon Austin in terms of size and skill set (not that he’s as talented as Austin), but new passing game coach Mike Groh should be able to find ways to use him.
Where he fits: The Rams have a clear need for help in the slot. Stedman Bailey is still recovering from two gunshot wounds to the head. South Carolina used Cooper all over the field, much like the Rams do with Austin, but the Rams simply need weapons and can find a place for Cooper in their receiving corps.
Move down: The Rams traded pick No. 113 to the Chicago Bears for picks 117 and 206. They now have three choices in the sixth round
znModeratorWell, when’s the last time the Rams drafted a WR
in the fourth round that made a big impact?You’re right, they;re due.
Anyway, seriously…this draft was supposed to be deep at WR and unusual in that respect. It was said in advance that teams could get starters in the 4th round this year. Just a deep draft—not rich at the top but unusually deep after the top. All I know is that anyone who knows anything about Cooper loves him.
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Watched Cooper throughout his SC career. He’s a stud. Small (5’11” 205) and didn’t test well but uber competitive, makes plays all day, and is a tough SOB. Wins in traffic. Not afraid to take a huge hit to catch the ball. Plays fast. Very good YAC skills.
I think Cooper will be a productive slot guy for us once he gets NFL routes downs. He’s every cliche you hear about slot guys. Blue collar, tough SOB, lunch pail, deceptive speed (gets up to speed very quickly), and no quit.
Very strong guy. Great work ethic. Comes from a family of Marines.
He’s a playmaker.
Here’s a stat for all of you, Cooper had 973 yards in 2015. South Carolina’s #2 WR had around 160 yards.(Jerell Adams, their TE, was the second leading receive with around 400-450 yards)
Cooper actually would have had 1050 yards and a 80 yard game winning TD in the final minute against The Citadel but one of SC’s young WRs didn’t get set before the ball was snapped.
I’ll tell you this much, the Rams identified a weakness and are attacking it. What do Higbee and Cooper both offer? Outstanding HANDS. Looks like the Rams are tired of the drops.
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Higbee could be a tremendous pick up. Tough guy. All of 6’6″. Showed up at the combine at 249.
big (10 1/4 inch) soft hands that catches everything thrown at him.
He was recruited and played as a WR (that explains his catching ability). But then grew into a TE.
Blocking is not terrible, seems to have “want to”, just needs technique work.
Great size….wow. Exactly what the doctor ordered. We have 3 TEs who can block the daylights out of you. We needed a TE who plays like a WR and is a true pass catching threat. Clearly Higbee is. Every professional report I read said he’ll be too much for most of the Safeties in the league.
znModeratorCooper is short and slow…. Not sure I like this pick. But this is day 3 so…..
People who watched him love him. He’s also quick. And tough. A slot receiver. Kind of a more physical Amendola.
Many good analysts see him as very good value for day 3.
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Cooper – he could be a fit for the Rams in the slot. Swiss army knife playmaker.
Higbee – another TE that makes sense. He’s a more all around TE then Adams.
So you get a receiving and blocking TE that can stretch the seam and a slot WR that can do a little of everything to go with TA and Britt. I am liking how the offense is shaping up.
znModeratorPFF SCOUTING REPORT: PHAROH COOPER, WR, SOUTH CAROLINA
Here is the PFF draft profile for South Carolina’s Pharoh Cooper, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here.
Position fit:
Slot receiver. 609 of his 764 snaps came from the slot in 2015Stat to know:
Forced 33 missed tackles on 135 receptions between 2014 and 2015What he does best:
• Great in space, 16 missed tackles forced on 66 receptions in 2015
• Very quick feet, a big part of the reason he made so many people miss tackles
• Explosive, possibly an impact player as a returner too. Returned 27 punts in 2014 and 2015, with a long of 24 yards in both seasons
• Best fit may be as a vertical slot receiver where his acceleration and speed will play well against slot corners
• Can also be effective if given the ball on screens, slants, and shallow crosses as his acceleration allows him to get to top speed in a hurryBiggest concern:
• Really struggles against press, poor use of hands to shake free
• Not a typical slot route runner, not as proficient as using the “two-way go” to take advantages of defenders
• Will run some sloppy routes, often lacks the wiggle at the top of his stem
• Not physical at the catch point
• Still fairly raw. Needs to develop all round game if he is going to be more than just good in spacePro style comparison:
Doug Baldwin, Seattle Seahawks. Baldwin can do some damage in the short game, but he separates himself from other slot receivers by making big plays as a vertical threat as well. Cooper can be productive in a similar role.Bottom line:
Cooper is far from the finished product, but as a big-play threat from the slot and a player that can be used as a space player and return specialist, he adds value in the middle rounds.znModeratorThis draft and last draft prove it………Fisher hates defense, loves offense
Yeah it’s pretty obvious.
znModeratorIan Rapoport says, “There is a market for Foles. Don’t be surprised if he is traded today.”
Okay.
5th or 6th round I guess.
Or, 7th.
But probably not the 8th or 9th. That’s my prediction.
znModeratoryeah legal issues stemming from some bar fight he got into.
Good, cause with Cook gone, they need a TE who can assault the quarterback
znModeratorCooper & Higbee were both on a lot of guys “top players left on day 3” lists
znModeratorDo you want ‘buyer beware links?’.
Up to you!
April 30, 2016 at 10:46 am in reply to: long fat article: Michael Silver on how Rams decided on Goff with No. 1 pick #42923znModeratorit’s not a fisher qb. it’s a fisher philosophy.
as long as gurley is on this team it’s going to be lining up under center and play action. we’re not going to see goff lining up the majority of snaps in shotgun and whipping the ball around like brady.
it’s just not going to happen while gurley is a ram. if it does i’ll admit i’m wrong but i don’t see it.
Don’t get me wrong. Fisher was always a play action guy. That was true with Jackson and Stacy too. BUT what will change is the percentage of pass v. run plays. Last year it tilted toward run heavy, in 2012 it was just short of being pass heavy.
He is also not going to overuse Gurley. I think the goal is around 57% passing, which is a balanced team. The question is whether or not they can do that in 2016 with Keenum and a rookie qb. If the history means anything, once Goff is up to speed, the percentage of pass plays will go up.
I don’t think it’s a Fisher philosophy to be run heavy. He will do that to cover for the qbs. But when he has the qbs, it tilts back toward balanced.
I doubt it will ever be pass heavy.
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znModeratorI would appreciate additions to this…like how to live stream it on video.
The Draft, rounds 4-7
Date: April 30
Time: Noon ET
TV: NFL Network, ESPN
Online: WatchESPN, NFL.comhttp://nflnonline.nfl.com/?icampaign=network_watchnfln_header
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?s=espnApril 30, 2016 at 9:34 am in reply to: long fat article: Michael Silver on how Rams decided on Goff with No. 1 pick #42910znModerator“I love Carson Wentz,” Fisher said, “but Jared Goff is gonna be my quarterback. The way he gets the ball out — how he knows where to go with it and gets it to the receiver perfectly, in stride, in the tightest of windows — it’s a sight to behold. You look at the way the Patriots play, with Tom (Brady) just zipping the ball to (Julian) Edelman and (Danny) Amendola before you can even think about touching him, and that’s where football is today.
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who is lost in the past or hasn’t kept up with the changes in offense, etc.w
vYeah I thought the exact same thing when I read that.
I don’t mean to sound like I am “one upping” on this one because people did not mean anything negative by it, but a number of fans and writers thought there was a “Fisher type qb” and that it was more like Wentz. I don’t think there is a “Fisher type qb”…I just think he wants a good qb. The offense will then morph somewhat in the direction of that guy’s strengths. Or will eventually anyway.
znModeratorI personally won’t be judging the guy based on his rookie season.
All of this of course is just people comparing IMOs in what amounts to an informal poll. Just my own intuition here (informed intuition but still)…but Goff is going to be fine. At a minimum I expect him to be a Flacco/Eli class qb (I don’t mean style). And he shows signs of being better than that. He has some Warner and Brady qualities. But like all rookies he will have a learning curve.
What is the standard for rookie qb play since they took Luck (who is a different kind of animal)?
The highest rated rookie qb measured by qb rating in 2015 was Mariota (17th).
2014, Bridgewater, 22nd.
2013, Glennon, 21st
If you add Smith (39th), Carr (30th), Bortles (33rd), and Winston (28th) the avg. for rookie starters the last 3 years is a rank of 25th-26th (it’s actually 25.7).
The 2012 class broke the bank on that but IMO that was exceptional and has not been repeated.
So if Goff plays, and ends up ranked between 17th and 22nd, he’s high end for rookie expectations (remember this is in terms of qb rating).
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