Jared Goff should begin on bench

Bucky Brooks

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000680715/article/jared-goff-should-begin-on-bench-hue-jacksons-rgiii-project

Patience is a virtue — in virtually all aspects of life. But it is rarely found in NFL locker rooms.

In a league where production and performance are paramount, general managers and scouts frequently fall prey to the outside noise and rush players onto the field to justify lofty draft-day selections. This happens with most top picks, but quarterbacks are especially susceptible to microwave treatment when they are selected in the first round — and even more so when they’re taken with a top-10 pick.

That’s why I’m paying close attention to how the Los Angeles Rams are bringing along Jared Goff.

The football world will be clamoring to see the No. 1 overall pick when the Rams open their season in front of a national television audience at San Francisco in the final game of Week 1 on Monday, Sept. 12. While I’ve heard all of the rhetoric from coach Jeff Fisher and his staff on resisting the urge to put the rookie out on the field before he is ready, we’ve seen nearly every quarterback selected with a top-five pick over the past five years take the ball as the team’s starter very early in the season. Thus, I traveled to Rams camp fully expecting to see Goff primed and ready to supplant Case Keenum as the team’s starter.

I mean, on paper, this shouldn’t be a fair fight: Goff boasts prototypical physical dimensions (6-foot-4, 215 pounds), A+ arm talent and a polished game, while Keenum has a smallish stature (6-1, 205 pounds), an average arm and a lack of cachet as a former undrafted free agent and current NFL journeyman. Sure, Keenum led the Rams to a 3-2 record as the team’s part-time starter a season ago, but Fisher wouldn’t seriously consider using the fifth-year pro as a legitimate starter this season. Right?

To my surprise, Goff isn’t anywhere close to being ready to play as a starting quarterback at this stage of training camp. Now, this isn’t a direct knock on him or his future potential. It can be a process. Having been around some of the best quarterback developers in the game (Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Jon Gruden, Steve Mariucci, Dan Henning, Kevin Gilbride, Mike McCarthy and Mike McCoy), I know that young signal callers must check the boxes in three key areas before they are primed to step on the field as a starter:

» Communication
» Coverage identification
» Judgment

Watching Goff over a full workout, I sensed that — despite widely reported improvement since the end of OTAs and minicamps — the Cal product still has a long way to go before he reaches the standard needed to wrestle the starting job from Keenum.

After spending his formative years directing a spread offense (Sonny Dykes’ “Bear Raid”), Goff is still mastering the verbiage and communication skills to own the huddle. The lengthy play calls and at-the-line adjustments require far more verbal communication than the no-huddle system he ran in Berkeley. In addition, the constant chatter and identification require complete mastery of the playbook to make split-second decisions at the line. While I’m not privy to the Rams’ playbook or their audible system, I can say that the offense operated with better tempo and pace when Keenum was at the helm. Goff had his moments directing the two-minute offense in team drills, but the pauses between plays were noticeably longer with the rookie in charge.

Moving on to some of Goff’s post-snap responsibilities, I believe he is still adjusting to the complex coverages routinely employed by NFL coordinators. Rams DC Gregg Williams is one of the most creative tacticians in football, and his carefully crafted pre-snap disguises frequently mask the designated coverage. Thus, opposing quarterbacks must be in tune to the depths of linebackers and safeties in order to get a bead on the blitz or coverage. Keenum efficiently sorted out the myriad disguises and blitzes from the Rams’ starters to find the hot route or open receiver down the field. He was rarely flustered by the constant movement, and his efficiency certainly surprised me, based on the complexity of the defensive looks.

Meanwhile, despite facing a more static look, Goff struggled a bit against the defense in team drills. Williams frequently aligned his defense in a Cover 2 shell (two deep safeties with corners aligned at 6 to 7 yards) and used a variety of simple zone (Cover 2, Cover 3) or zone-blitz (five-man rush with three deep and three under) concepts against the rookie. These defenses are the equivalent of what you would see in an NFL 101 class, yet Goff routinely had a tough time finding the open guy. And when he did identify the open man, he was frequently late with his throw, resulting in a contested catch or off-target toss down the field. At the NFL level, quarterbacks must throw with timing and anticipation to consistently complete passes in tight windows between multiple defenders.

Now, I don’t want to be too critical of a young passer in the opening stretch of his first NFL training camp, but judgment is arguably the most important part of playing the position, and Goff seems so overwhelmed by the speed of the game that he’s been inconsistent with his decisions. Some of his poor determinations are understandable, due to the uncertainty that plagues every young QB, but he also has been prone to making some “hero” throws in traffic. In the workout I attended, Goff threw four passes that should’ve been intercepted, each the result of a forced throw at intermediate range despite the fact that a checkdown was available underneath.

To be fair, most quarterbacks are reluctant to take the open checkdown when they believe they can make a “hero” throw. But Goff is in line for a number of turnovers off tips and overthrows until he develops the patience and poise to settle for a short completion instead of gambling on a “wow” play. He might foster these characteristics after a few preseason games, but I believe it will take him some time to learn the management skills needed to start for a competitive team.

Taking all of this into account, I think it’s sensible for Fisher to officially name Keenum the starter and stick with him through at least the first half of the season. The veteran not only gives the Rams the best chance to win right now, but the team believes in his talent and leadership skills. Speaking to several offensive players, I repeatedly heard the word “gamer” and “winner” in reference to the 28-year-old Keenum. In fact, one Rams receiver said the offense would thrive in 2016 with Keenum at the helm, even though everyone expects Goff to eventually become a “baller” at the position.

To get a management perspective, I talked to several team officials who suggested Keenum can succeed because he has a clear understanding of his limitations and won’t try to do too much with the ball in his hands. Unlike some quarterbacks who shrug off the “game manager” label, Keenum seemingly has embraced the approach — and everyone in the building believes he won’t mess it up if he gets the chance. Given that Los Angeles has a budding superstar in Todd Gurley who can pound the football, savvy game management from the quarterback position could work quite well for this team.

For the past several months, I thought the prospect of Keenum taking the field with the starting unit was simply the product of coachspeak. But after spending time at Rams camp, I believe the team should play the veteran quarterback until the youngster proves that he is ready to handle the job. This is the blueprint Fisher successfully used with a young Steve McNair during his time heading the Oilers/Titans. Despite entering the NFL as the third overall pick in the 1995 NFL Draft, McNair didn’t become a full-time starter until 1997. He went on to make three Pro Bowls and earn NFL MVP honors in 2003. Fisher should keep this in mind, to help Goff eventually reach his full potential as the Rams’ franchise quarterback.

Worth a listen. Check out our podcast with Hall of Famer Orlando Pace. https://t.co/UldazHcnT8

— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) August 5, 2016

Ramzee

SOME FOLLOW-UP

Tavon super pumped after catching a big gain on a deep out to the sideline. You can see him flexing. Coverage by (#24) Christian Bryant, who nearly tipped it.

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As I keep saying Tavon is electric with the ball in his hands. They will find ways to put the ball in his hands. As you can see from the pics above, they have him running down field routes now too. Not just bubble screens and reverses.

Quick has been getting a lot of end zone TD’s on jump balls and fades. Tru doesn’t seem to be going too hard out there right now in some drills so I’m sure things aren’t exactly as they would appear in a real game. In practice though Quick has been effective in the red zone.

The TE’s are getting a ton of targets in camp. Harkey looks like a receiving tight end out there. Cunningham is getting a lot of touches as well. Higbee stood out a bit on Tuesday and wasn’t thrown at much on Wednesday. He did go in motion though a bunch on Wednesday.

Britt has made a few highlight reel diving catches and has been effective on the sideline routes.

The depth has been getting the majority of the snaps at the WR position. Out of the bunch so far I like Michael Thomas and Duke Williams. Don’t sleep on Nelson either. He’s made a bunch of catches in camp when his reps come up. Williams seems a little raw but he’s big and has been effective in a lot of his reps. Thomas seems to be a nice hands catcher and do something with the ball in his hands.

bnw wrote:

Translation: He wants to cover the Rams in LA rather than the FastLane. I don’t believe anything else. I hope it works out well for him. He is good in the broadcast booth.

The Fast Lane doesn;t cover the Rams.

And, whether he wanted to do it in LA is not relevant really because LA people either wanted to hire him or they didn’t.

Besides, it’s no surprise that an analyst covering a team would like to be in the same town as the team.

I agree with your take on Farr as an analyst. I like him.

wv wrote:

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Um, no. I’m not ‘esteeming’ Obama for displaying ‘grace’ and ‘dignity’.
He’s living about the most privileged life a human being can live.

Have to disagree with that. There’s missing things in how you put that.

For one, so is Trump (living a privileged life). Notice they do it differently.

And besides that’s not what the guy said anyway. What he said was among them his cool-headed grace under enormous pressure and the profound dignity with which he’s endured racism and pointed us beyond it.

As soon as any of us have endured racism maybe we can judge.

There’s one thing when class gets ignored in analysis. It’s another when we can’t give someone credit just because they’ve acquired wealth.

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Nah, i disagree. What “enormous pressure” is a wealthy President of the USA, under? Enormous pressure is when you aren’t sure you can pay the rent and your kids might get evicted. That is ‘enormous pressure’.

You can ‘esteem’ him all you want – I’ll not.

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In terms of paying or not paying the rent, just different kinds of pressure. One doesn’t negate the other. I am sure if you said to the writer, look poor people struggling to hold on are under pressure too, he would agree. And probably point out that it’s not either/or. Acknowledging one thing doesn’t negate the other thing. In terms of the president, what the writer refers to, of course, is the enormous pressure in being a president–that’s just making decisions in a glass house, with intense scrutiny, and often with enormous consequences. Taken in the abstract, that’s just true. I don’t think wealth negates that.

I wasn’t talking about esteem for Obama, and whether I have it or you don’t. That wasn’t even on my mind. I was talking about sentences and their logic. It went toward what class analysis means. To me, if class analysis is to be effective and sound, two things have to happen. First, it cannot be separated, especially in the USA, from gender and race. The way I understand things, that’s all a big ball of tied together strings. To me it’s equally a flaw when any single one of those things gets ignored. Second, I can’t simply dismiss someone only because they do have wealth. To me, that’s not class analysis, it’s something else.

In terms of Obama himself, I have very mixed feelings, and have since he was first a candidate years ago. My feelings haven’t changed. In terms of my own political ideas and wishes and analysis, he comes up far short. But at the same time I more or less knew that (as you did) when he was first running in the primaries, way back when.

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Billy_T wrote:

Hypothetical analogy:

I’m a part of an environmental action group that seeks to protect one million acres of wilderness, and seeks an end to all development on public lands, period.

Candidate X in the Dem party suggests we save 100,000 acres, but says nothing about stopping current development on existing public lands. Candidate Y suggests 25,000, also without any word on current public land use. The GOP is unanimous in their desire to open up existing protected wilderness even more to developers, and no GOP candidate is suggesting adding new wilderness protections.

Our group, while saying Candidate X doesn’t go far enough, and why (white papers, press conferences, etc), says Candidate X is preferable to Candidate Y on this matter. The supporters of Candidate Y then launch concerted attacks against our group which include mockery for our supposed “starry-eyed, naive, impractical vision,” and our overzealous attachment to “purity tests.” etc. etc. Candidate Y’s surrogates constantly scold us by saying “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

We don’t, in fact, see the the protection of just 25,000 acres, with no attempt to prevent further exploitation of existing public lands, as anything approaching “the good,” and we admit that our own positions are far from “the perfect,” because they don’t go far enough, protect enough lands or species, and are not integrated enough with an international commitment to the same. We admit that our own requests are driven in part by what we see as “politically possible,” with the right coalition, media, rhetoric, demonstrations, etc. etc.

You’re trying to “debate it.” To me, that won’t work. It’s Rocky and Bullwinkle–that trick never works. All I personally see in this case like many others is you taking your own opinions as true, and therefore trying to convey that truth persuasively.

Problem is I have been in this particular debate, and variations thereof, for probably 45 years. And, so, being a well-meaning but also cranky old bastard, I just shrug at the debate, say let’s be a coalition, and move on. Way I see it most REAL political investments are at an emotional level too deep to be reasoned with. So, when it comes to alliances and coalitions, I like my approach better. We differ, we know we have impasses, we acknowledge that and move forward.

Now how can we be useful (in the best sense) to one another.

Billy_T wrote:

This has got to be the crappiest election, evah.

When was the last time there was a genuine grassroots left (albeit new deal left) candidacy that went as far as Sanders?

If in fact there was a last time.

I get the wanting to win now thing but one thing people will always contend with when it comes to me in a political debate…not only am I NOT a purist, I can’t stand purism.

You push, if it falls short, you do the pragmatic thing and then immediately start pushing again.

I have spent my whole life dealing with dogmatic purists on the left. I consider them hopeless pains in the ass.

As a leftist, my favorite satirical portraits of the left are from Monty Python and The Life of Brian.

Isiah58 wrote:

I think the team is still ascending and I want to keep the coach and GM in place, if for no other reason than to prevent what happened to Bradford and the parade of offensive coordinators every year. Plus I LIKE Fisher and Snead, and want them to do well and flourish.

I’m not sure that’s a minority position on THIS board. We have some skeptics and doubters and flat-out anti-Fisher guys, but I think most of the posters here are somewhere in between what you just said (which speaks for me too btw virtually word for word) and a more wait-n-see, but cautiously okay with it stance.

My own feeling, to add to what you said, is this: given that last year they had a melted down starting qb plus a pretty good #2 qb type, a very inexperienced OL, key defensive injuries, and a very tough schedule, pulling off 7-9 was actually quite an accomplishment.

zn wrote:

The figure Duke Williams cut as he slashed across the back of the end zone Tuesday was probably noticeable off nearby Newport Harbor.

Big, physical and imposing.

After an early rough start, Williams is getting a LOT of camp reporter (+ media reporter) positive buzz. PLUS he showed up on special teams.

It’s interesting.

20 years after popularizing ‘Pancake,’ Orlando Pace’s legacy grows again

http://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/135109/20-years-after-popularizing-the-pancake-orlando-paces-legacy-grows-again

COLUMBUS, Ohio — The exception to the rule used to line up across from him on the practice field, and Luke Fickell still hasn’t forgotten the lesson.

An Ohio State defensive tackle during the Year of the Pancake in 1996, Fickell was regularly drilled on the importance of leverage and frequently heard the “low man wins” mantra that he still uses today as a defensive coordinator at his alma mater.

But there was one guy who wasn’t susceptible to that technique when the Buckeyes matched up for board drills or worked on their goal-line sets, pitting Fickell against one of the most imposing blockers in the history of football. And that might not have been the only way Orlando Pace broke the mold before leaving Ohio State after three years and embarking on a career that will be enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame this weekend.

“There are some things that overtake the laws of physics,” Fickell said. “And Orlando is one of those things that doesn’t obey the laws of physics.

“My coach used to always say, ‘Look, the low man always wins.’ Then I would have to go against him. I’d say, ‘Coach, I thought the low man always won.’ But the thing about Orlando was he was a great person, great teammate. He knew the difference between teammates and the guys he had to finish off. It was almost like he was toying with us, saving the real stuff for the game.”

When Pace unleashed his full complement of power, agility, speed and flawless technical skills, there was virtually no chance of getting the better of him on a game day. Just to try to quantify how otherworldly Pace was after arriving on campus in 1994 and instantly becoming a starting offensive tackle: By his final season, the Buckeyes had created a statistic just for him as part of a rare Heisman Trophy campaign for a blocker.

The Pace Pancake was born, both in the numerical form and in the shape of a magnet the school sent out to publicize him for national awards. The Buckeyes provided a running tally of blocks that left defenders flat on their backs, a total that eventually reached 80 and helped Pace finish fourth in the Heisman race. While the coaching staff would count the Pancakes for anybody on the roster who managed them, there was really no need to bother keeping track of anybody other than the freakish big man on the left side of the line.

Orlando Pace might have cemented his Pro Football Hall of Fame career at Ohio State before ever playing a snap in the NFL. Jonathan Dani/Getty Images
“I’m not sure exactly how it started, but he was the only guy we kept Pancakes for,” said former Ohio State coach John Cooper. “We might have kept Pancakes probably for other people, but he got a hell of a lot more than anybody else, that’s for sure. I mean, he wouldn’t get one a game, he would get several a game. He was a mismatch. I jokingly tell people, he was 6-7, 320 pounds, he could bench press 400 pounds, run a 4.7 in the 40 and go bear hunting with a switch. He could do it all.

“People ask me, who is the best athlete I ever coached? I don’t know to be honest with you. Joey Galloway, Robert Smith, Shawn Springs or David Boston, it’s hard to say who the best athlete was. But in my opinion, Orlando was the best football player. I mean, I don’t know how you could play the position any better than he played it.”

Pace continued setting that high standard in the NFL. He skipped his final season of eligibility, becoming the No. 1 overall draft pick of the St. Louis Rams and starting a decorated 13-year career in the league. But in some ways, his legacy as one of the all-time greats in the trenches might have been sealed before he even stepped foot on an NFL field.

Certainly, Pace wouldn’t be Canton-bound without winning a Super Bowl or playing in seven Pro Bowls or becoming a model of consistency over 154 consecutive starts. But he was already being hailed as a mythical figure before then. There was his stockpile of individual awards with the Buckeyes and the plays he finished as a lead blocker 70 yards down the field. Then there was the dominating performance that Cooper still fondly remembers when Pace blasted open holes against Illinois stars Kevin Hardy and Simeon Rice as Eddie George rushed for 314 yards in 1995.

“I can’t imagine coaching anybody better than him,” Cooper said. “We didn’t even need to talk to him about coming back or not — we knew he was going to leave after three years.

“Every game was a highlight film for him. For goodness sakes, you didn’t have to go through and make a highlight film, you just looked at the game. It was an easy decision, if it’s third-and-short, fourth-and-short, pretty easy decision to run behind Orlando.”

Those short-yardage situations still required reps in practice, of course.

Even 20 years later, even against a guy who might have been taking it easy on him, Pace’s impact can still be felt by a coach who remembers that the low man doesn’t always win.

“One thing I can always tell you, I don’t know if during all those pass-rush drills and things we used to do if me or [All-American Mike] Vrabel or anybody else ever beat Orlando,” Fickell said. “Vrabel might not admit it, but I can tell you that I’m not sure if in practice or any drill if anybody ever beat him.

“We knew he was great, but even the whole Pancake thing, the promotions, without all the social media back then, I never really saw that much about it other than a magnet. So I guess if I look back at it, we probably didn’t realize just how good he was in the moment.”

There’s certainly no mistaking it now. But just in case, there’s a new bust in Canton that will serve as a permanent reminder.

nittany ram wrote:

I find the standard deviation and coefficient of variation to be the most useful.

Yeah. Of course. Uh…me too. Obviously.

ramsman34

First, about padded practices; I truly believe gone are the days of full pads and full, all-out e contact. We debated this among ourselves at at camp and i just think today’s practice was about as padded as its going to get – at least when it is one v ones. Coaches really don’t want guys getting in scrums or going to/getting taken to the ground. I know, I know – this is football. Ya, it is. But it is also a big time business with tons of pressure on organizations to succeed and with teams paying obscene money to star players. The reward is not worth the risk, IMO. I think there will only be “real” hitting in some goal line situations, STs, and when the back end of the roster guys go at it.

The Offense:

They have been improving incrementally each day. And in pads, the o-line can actually block and engage the D-line. All in all, the O out performed the D today in 11 v 11 and even in 7 v 7 (as they should). There were two separate 11 v 11 sessions which I have not seen done before. the offense did well in the first session but really shined in the second

I am focusing more on the team O work than anything else so far as this has been, as we all know, the weak link.

11 v 11 – Session 1:

I am not going to do the play by play that I did last report. Someone brought up that it might be too much detail (personnel group, down, distance, etc.) and that might piss the Rams off. I don’t think so, but just in case…

Keenum started the session and got the first 4 plays. First was an intermediate out route to Tay which was complete but Quinn smoked GRob and would have had the sack, Next Gurley ripped of a big outside zone run to the weak side. The personnel group and formation were interesting and different. Toss to Benny next that would have been a first down followed by an inside run out of a formation/personnel group that is a dead “we are running the ball” give away. Hopefully they will use play action out of this group/formation

Goff got the next 5 plays. He fumbles the snap from under center on play 1 – not good, but he shook it off. 2. Play-action, but Goff checked it down – he had #81 Duke Williams open for a TD on a post route – the clock in Goff’s head is slowly getting adjusted to NFL speed and NFL timing. 3. Checked to a run play pre snap, short gain by Reynolds. 4. Zone read, short gain – benny. 5. Sprint draw, might have been against a blitz, Benny gets a big gain.

Back to Keenum. 1. Gurley, inside for a tough 4 yds. 2. Quinn again blows by GRob but it is a 3-step whip out to Britt for the completion 3. Ck down to Benny, short gain. 4. Jet sweep to Tay, totally blown up by one of our new stud DL – Quinton Coples.

Mannion. 1. Inside run, Aaron Green – no gain, he is tentative running inside, no churn. 2. Nice ball to Harkey on a seam route. 3. Off tackle run – A. Green, good for 5yds. 4. Ck. down on a delay drag, big hit by Ayers to knock receiver down (didn’t get the #), short gain.

Back to Keenum. 1. Curl to Kendricks good for a 1st down. 2. ** Gurley out of the backfield on a post route for 20+ yds. against TJ McDonald. TG3 is going to be a match-up problem (cue Marshall Faulk highlights)! 3. Swing to Tay, blitz beater against man coverage – short gain – great closing speed by D 4. corner blitz cover-2 pre snap to cover 1, crossing route to Kendricks – another great blitz beater.

Back to Goff. he had a couple nice throws to TEs on crossers and outs, his first throw this session should have been a pick six, threw a nice deep post to Duke but McDonald broke it up with what would have certainly been called PI – McDonald is NOT a coverage safety, in case anyone is still wondering if he is.

NOTES: We have seen almost ZERO motion or shifts. Also very few screens, no slip screens or middle screens. Very few jet sweeps or jet-action passes. Gurley is running legitimate routes out of the back field – not just wheel or swings routes. His post route from the right side of the QB in shot gun “was a thing of beauty. Spruce, Michael Thomas, occasionally McRoberts, Bradley, and Duke Williams are impressing me – a lot. Quick is better than last year and he made a siiiiick grab in the last 11 v 11 red zone session that I will get to in a minute. But, the level of competition is better than I have seen in years at WR and at TE. I think the 5-6 WRs and the 4 TEs will be a significant upgrade over last year in sum.

Goff is much better against zone than man coverage at this point in camp. Although he crushed it in the 7 v 7 red zone against pure man. He is truly at his best in the red zone. And THAT is fucking good thing!

In 7 v 7 Keenum threw a pick -Lamarcus Joyner made a great leaping play at the goal line – he looks really good and improved. He hit Quick on a double-move corner-post route in the back of the end zone – great, and I mean stellar, leaping grab by Quick – another “flash” of his immense, but under tapped potential. Case had another TD to Spruce with some incompletions scattered in between.

Goff had TD throws to M. Thomas, Harkey, and a great in-cut to Duke (yes, I am truly pulling and hoping for this kid to make it). Goff also would have been sacked once and should have been picked once.

All in all, this was the best 7 v 7 session to date with the offense finally finding a way to beat man coverage.

The second 11 v 11 was red zone and a much shorter session. Keenum was ok, but as Hacksaw64 noted, late and threw behind his receivers. He was the same in 7 v 7 against no rush/pressure. CASE IS NOT GOING TO BE THE STARTER! I just can’t see it.

Goff kicked ass in this session with 2 TDs to Tavon (smoke screen, and corner route).

If Goff isn’t the starter in SF game one, I will be shocked. Keenum has him in the command and control dept. and maybe a little bit in the moxie dept. But everywhere else Goff is dominant: feet, pocket awareness, arm strength , ball placement….the kid just needs reps, and a lot of them in order to get him really ready. It will be interesting to see how much he plays in preseason. If it is more than one would expect, then I am certain he will be the starter day 1 as the coaches are trying to get him repped up and ready as quickly as possible.

I think the kid can handle the adversity of making mistakes, throwing picks, and even losing a couple games.(only a couple, kid) He will make a lot of plays for us this season and beyond and I truly think we are on the verge of a long run of winning football. Goff looks like the real deal to me.

More from Camp Friday.

RM34

Ramzee

ADDED REMARKS

I’ve been at camp the last few days and the fact is, Robinson has gotten beat a few times (GRob) and it hasn’t all been roses. Quinn just flew right by him two times in a row and I know someone has pictures of it on a website somewhere. I also have pictures of GRob stone walling lots of our defenders. Overall I think he has been very good but he still has shown lapses. In the past it’s the lapses that cost him. GRob is a beast when he is on. We’re looking for more consistency at this point.

Duke Williams and Mike Thomas are really kicking ass at camp from my perspective. Bradley Marquez watch out!