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  • in reply to: Happy National Genocide Day #59387
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    Every square inch of the inhabitable planet earth is presently occupied by someone who conquered that place.

    And that’s human v. human. Let alone human v. neanderthal and v. denisovan.

    So for example the English men and women who (among other euros) came over here–what were they? Original Britons (going as far back as Homo antecessor) conquered by Iberians of some sort conquered by Celts conquered by Romans conquered by Saxons who were almost conquered by Vikings before being actually conquered by Normans and then conquered by American rock n roll.

    We can though dedicate ourselves to a future where that kind of thing ends.

    Then we just get conquered by Vulcans who make us form a galactic federation.

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    in reply to: Rams alltime record: 544 – 548 #59386
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    I bristled when Arians first said that the Rams were just another 8-8 team; maybe he’s right…

    Well if you approach it that way, what are the Cardinals historically in terms of winning percentage?

    Right now they’re 4-5-1 and lost to the Rams.

    (Actually I looked it up, historically their winning percentage is 0.415).

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    in reply to: thanksgiving pie! #59377
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    Where is sweet potato pie? Just saying.

    in reply to: informal poll: Saints game #59367
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    I expect to see a trick play Sunday. Fake punt or fake FG or somethin.

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    I have to say, I don’t see that. They know this offense is better than what it showed against Miami. They didn’t throw long, they went up against a tough pass rush in the rain, they were starting a rookie in his first game, etc. So I don’t see them as seeing themselves as desperate. I see them as seeing themselves as back to business as usual–and the truth is, that offense IS more productive than it was against Miami. So I don’t see them as having to play tricks to stay in a game. I mean, the last time they played the Saints they beat them 27-16, and that was with Clemens.

    in reply to: media guys set up the SAINTS game #59359
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    Saints preparing for Rams elite defensive tackle Aaron Donald

    http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2016/11/saints_preparing_for_rams_elit.html#incart_river

    To see what Los Angeles Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald can do, just watch any game he’s played, New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton said.

    “From the moment you turn the tape on from the time you turn it off, he’s disruptive,” Saints rookie defensive tackle Sheldon Rankins said.

    Since the Rams drafted Donald in the first round in 2014, he’s been one of the top interior defensive linemen in the NFL, and unlike many others at his position, he has the stats to prove it.

    Many of the top defensive tackles in the league impact the game in immeasurable ways, whether it’s clogging a lane to divert a running back or creating pressure up the middle to flush a quarterback from the pocket. Donald does those things regularly, but with 25 sacks and 53 tackles for loss in 42 career games, he’s a rare player at his position with production that matches his impact.

    “He’s a hell of a football player,” Saints center Max Unger said.

    When the Rams visit the Mercedes-Benz Superdome on Sunday, the Saints know they must have a plan for containing the 25-year-old star.

    “You know he’s going to make some plays,” quarterback Drew Brees said. “You just hope to contain him as much as you can.”

    The most obvious trait that makes Donald so good is his quickness, but his ability to squeeze through multiple offensive linemen and win matchups by going inside or around opposing players makes him so hard to stop. Multiple Saints players used the word elite to describe him.

    One reason Donald is so hard to contain is he’s not the only defensive lineman on his team who can disrupt an offense. Defensive end Robert Quinn has a 19-sack season on his résumé, and defensive tackle Michael Brockers can create pressure up the middle, too.

    “I know his attitude, I know his demeanor, I know his approach,” Brees said.

    And the Rams defense has playmakers at all three levels, which is why they rank sixth in yards allowed per game and tied for fifth in points surrendered each game. As Unger said, the Saints need to consider how to contain Donald while also determining the best way to attack a good defense.

    The other thing about Donald’s talent that’s so problematic is there aren’t many ways to help the offensive linemen slow an interior defensive lineman. Most of the top pass rushers play on the edge, which gives teams a chance to use tight ends or running backs to help the tackles.

    “The distinct difference is you can’t by alignment, necessarily, create ways to change his rush pattern,” Payton said.

    With Donald, almost the entire onus will fall on Unger and the guards — Andrus Peat and Jahri Evans if left tackle Terron Armstead (knee) returns, or Evans and Senio Kelemete.

    “Basically, with a guy like him, you have to focus on yourself,” Evans said.

    Armstead noted Donald’s array of rush moves is rare for an interior defensive lineman, which means the guys blocking him don’t face similar play often.

    Kelemete said the Saints interior offensive linemen will have to try to use leverage to block Donald, but that can be problematic, too. Because Donald is 6-foot-1, he’s shorter than most of the top players at his position, and taller offensive linemen have an advantage in reach. However, Donald being lower to the ground means he starts most plays from an advantageous position

    Rankins, the Saints’ first-round pick, is the same height as Donald and knows what it’s like to have the stigma of being short.

    “Clearly, he’s overcome it to be an all-pro player,” Rankins said of Donald.

    Even though most of the burden of blocking Donald will be on the men in the middle of the Saints’ offensive line, his combination of power, quickness and rush moves also gives the Rams a chance to use him on the edge, so New Orleans’ offensive tackles have to be ready, too.

    “His ability to not just his get off, but his ability to play into guys (is impressive) as well,” Armstead said. “He doesn’t have to beat guys with speed; he can play straight through them. You don’t really find too much of that in the NFL. You either have the speed or the power, but to have somebody that’s elite at both, it’s pretty exceptional.”

    In describing Donald, Payton listed just about every desirable trait in a defensive tackle — extremely athletic, smart, energy and effort. Rams coach Jeff Fisher sees those things on display every practice and said Donald is “special.”

    “He can win every block,” Fisher said. “He’s a really smart player. He’ll wind up and have a really good feel for what’s going on. We give him the freedom to do some things, but he’s really, really hard to block.”

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    Jared Goff, Rams face tough test vs. Drew Brees, Saints

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    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/31892/jared-goff-rams-face-tough-test-vs-drew-brees-saints

    OK, Jared Goff, let’s see what you’ve got.

    On the other side on Sunday will be a New Orleans Saints offense that ranks first in the NFL in yards and is tied for third in the NFL in points per game this season. The Los Angeles Rams’ defense, which gave up the fewest yards per game from Weeks 7-11, will be tested. And so will Goff, the No. 1 overall pick who operated under a very conservative offensive approach in his debut and will now be tasked with throwing the ball downfield.

    The Rams (4-6) have won only one of their last four games, despite their defense’s dominance. They have exactly six losses through 10 games for the fifth straight year under head coach Jeff Fisher, and their offense is on pace to finish within the bottom five in yards per game for a fourth consecutive time.

    They last faced the Saints (4-6) during Week 15 in 2013, winning 27-16 in St. Louis — a game that saw Drew Brees throw interceptions that led to touchdowns in each of his first two possessions. Now the Rams travel to the Mercedes-Benz Superdome for a tough road test to save their faint playoff hopes.

    Below are seven opponents to watch, courtesy of ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett.

    OFFENSE

    QB Drew Brees: Still going strong at age 37, Brees leads the NFL with 328 passing yards per game and 26 touchdown passes. He is playing arguably his best football since 2011, with the third-highest passer rating of his career (106.4). However, he has thrown three interceptions and lost a fumble over the past two games — both losses. So avoiding turnovers will be priority No. 1 Sunday in the Superdome, where he typically does his most damage. Brees has two home games this year with at least 423 yards and four touchdowns.

    WR Brandin Cooks: The Saints’ dynamic third-year receiver also does most of his damage at home, where he has touchdown catches of 98 and 87 yards this season. Five of his six touchdowns have come in the Superdome, where the 5-foot-10, 189-pounder thrives on the fast track. The former first-round pick, who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.33 seconds at the scouting combine, is on pace for 82 catches, 1,178 yards and 10 touchdowns.

    RBs Mark Ingram/Tim Hightower: We should find out Wednesday if Ingram is in jeopardy of missing this week’s game after being evaluated for a concussion last Thursday night. If healthy, he will likely serve as the 1A to Hightower’s 1B in a timeshare. Ingram is still quietly on pace for 1,283 yards from scrimmage and eight touchdowns, despite an inconsistent season that has disappointed his fantasy owners. If needed, Hightower is capable of taking on a full workload. The two veteran backs are pretty similar, so the Saints’ offense won’t change much regardless. Both have the versatility to run for hard yards up the middle, catch passes out of the backfield, take goal-line carries and pass protect.

    DEFENSE

    DE Cameron Jordan: The two-time Pro Bowler has remained the Saints’ best defender all season, flashing his versatility as an end/tackle and a disruptive pass-rusher/run defender. Jordan (6-4, 287) has four sacks, four batted passes, a forced fumble and 38 tackles. He ranks in the top 10 in the NFL since 2012 with 42 sacks and 18 batted passes. Only J.J. Watt has him beat in both categories.

    DT Nick Fairley: After spending one year with the Rams, the veteran defensive tackle has been a great bargain purchase for the Saints in free agency on a one-year, $3 million deal. Fairley — listed at 6-4, 308, though he said this summer that he’s under 300 — is splitting time now at the 3-technique spot with first-round draft choice Sheldon Rankins. Saints coaches say Fairley is most effective when they can keep him fresh, and both players line up together on some passing downs.

    MLB Craig Robertson: The Saints also signed former Rams middle linebacker James Laurinaitis this offseason, but they recently released him after placing him on injured reserve with a minor quad injury. Part of the reason Laurinaitis was deemed expendable was the impressive play of Robertson — a fellow veteran who was signed away from the Cleveland Browns this offseason, presumably to be a backup and special-teamer. Robertson is tied for seventh in the NFL with 89 tackles. The 6-1, 234-pounder began the year as a weakside linebacker before moving to the middle and he is one of the Saints’ better linebackers in pass coverage. He has one interception, one sack and one fumble recovery.

    in reply to: Who Will Replace Fisher? #59355
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    He’s not an iduot or a relic or any of the other infantile nouns and adjectives I’ve seen attached to him lately. But at the same time, he’s becoming less deserving of my support. Ultimately everything that goes wrong with this team is his responsibility – short of widespread injuries which sometimes effect entire units. My thing with that, though, is that after 4.5 years, there isn’t any real team system in place on offense, and a real reluctance -or maybe even inability- to accelerate young players’ learning curves (not Goff). It’s this guy’s O, then that guy’s O, then the other guy’s O. Compound that with injuries, and you get what you get. Confusion, penalties and lack of execution.

    I think we see the same things, but the negatives haven’t worn me down the same way, and I still see some of it as the situation (though it’s not the same situation as losing the qb and so on like we’ve seen before). But as I said elsewhere, this is not a Fisher diehard speaking–I think if he stays a lot of things get cleaned up (others I know disagree), and if he goes then that’s fine too…there’s enough talent there for a new coach to see the situation as desirable. And at least it won’t be Zygmunt doing the
    hiring.

    in reply to: What is your Thanksgiving Menu? #59353
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    I am doing Thanksgiving on Friday. I do Christmas traditionally, but Thanksgiving is open, the day and the menu.

    It;s just us 2 this time and she works that day, so we’re doing it on Friday. Like you Christmas is the traditional turkey feast. For this holiday we’re minimizing work and maximizing pleasure–I am going to a very good deli or 2 I know and getting fresh bread, cheeses, fancy cold meats, pate, veggies, and the such. Kind of a made-up and imaginative anti-pasta platter.

    The pic is from off the net, it just gives an idea.

    in reply to: Misanthropic thot-experiment II #59340
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    if you weasel out, I will hunt you down and hurl french insults at you.

    I would kill all the french.

    in reply to: Socialist Morning Star #59302
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    To be sure, the Democratic Party operatives will work diligently to deflect this energy from core economic issues of inequality that anger the working class toward the social liberalism that occupies urban elites.

    Pretty good.

    But then they had to go and ruin it with partisan sloganizing:

    t is only the left, essentially the Marxist-Leninist left, that grasps the unique intersection of race and class arising at this moment.

    in reply to: Who Will Replace Fisher? #59295
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    What the heck happened to him? I just can’t sort that question out. Was last year a fluke? Did they figure out how to tackle him this year?

    A rumor is, he did not work as hard this off-season. Lost weight, and explosion. Bought into burger commerical fame in the big city.

    in reply to: informal poll: Saints game #59287
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    But the offense is sooooooooo bad, that I’m not sure it’s better than the Saints terrible defense.

    Yes, for one game with Goff…so far. Games 3-6 they were actually pretty good. So I have yet to decide what they are yet. Others seem to do it after one game….

    in reply to: Who Will Replace Fisher? #59275
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    ZN, you’ve made your case on injuries to the Oline and QB over most of JF’s tenure, which has obviously affected the offense’s success and the teams overall W/L record. Well that hasn’t really played a role in this year’s offensive ineptness. If JF gets the extension that your in favor of, why do you think that the offense will improve next year? Will they hire another coordinator? Will the Oline improve to the point that the offense will make a big jump?

    Real answer later. Tuesdays are busy for me and in fact this post comes from my phone. Later then.

    First I want to note that here, I used the “mod favored” quotation approach–I just blued out the part I wanted to quote and THEN hit “quote.” Less messy.

    Okay real answer though it took a while.

    Yes this year is different. What happened? OL didn’t progress as we thought it would, or at least as much as we thought it would. Keenum, who IMO is decent as a game manager qb if they have a running game, didn’t have a running game. He was not built to carry the team but then some games passing was all they had. And what about the running game? That one seems to have multiple causes, up to and including Gurley. The coordinator? Well it seems that no team does well after a move, which involves distractions (actually the Al Davis Raiders is the only team that won after a move.) They changed the offense far more than anyone anticipated, so in effect they had to learn a new one. Boras has never installed an offense before, and here he was, a first-time coordinator installing a new offense for the first time, and during a move–and counting on a running game that did not materialize.

    So yeah it’s a mess, AND it’s just absolutely not the same mess as the OL/qb injury years.

    Can it be improved during the season? They started to click upward a bit in games 3-6 but then that has come back down to earth. Will playing Goff mean an upward click again?

    I don’t know what’s going on. It has too many causes. Will the OL ever gel? How much of that is Gurley? How fast will Goff progress? How much real improvement have we seen at receiver? Is Boras ultimately a capable OC?

    This all leads to the “get rid of Fisher” sentiment.

    On that, I am an agnostic. There’s no such thing as a Fisher diehard. Most people who defend Fisher would be fine with a coaching change IF the new HC is a good one.

    If they don’t change the HC, can all the pieces that went the wrong way this year be re-gathered and made to work? In short, can he have a wining season (presumably after this one)?Yeah I think it’s possible. They have the pieces to work next year, but maybe it depends on Gurley. I keep thinking, if Gurley doesn’t come through, then it won’t matter who the coach is next year; if he does come through, then yes Fisher can win.

    But then saying that is deceptive, cause how much of the collapse of the running game is on TG personally, and how much of it is other stuff?

    in reply to: media guys & the like on Goff's debut (including PFF) #59273
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    GRADING QB JARED GOFF’S FIRST NFL START
    How did top overall pick Jared Goff fare in his regular-season debut?

    SAM MONSON

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-grading-qb-jared-goffs-first-nfl-start/

    The wait for No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff’s NFL debut is finally over.

    In Week 11 against the Miami Dolphins, the Los Angeles Rams quarterback got the first start of his rookie season, playing all 62 snaps and attempting 31 passes. Goff earned a 50.2 overall game grade, 18th-highest among NFL QBs this week.

    While the Rams ultimately fell to the Dolphins late in the game, what can we make of Goff’s performance?

    The first thing we saw was a game affected by the weather. It was raining in the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, and both Goff and Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill had throws that were clearly affected, making it difficult to fairly evaluate either player compared to typical, dry-weather games.

    Goff famously struggled as an 18-year-old California freshman against Oregon in the pouring rain, fumbling the ball away on two of Cal’s first three possessions before getting benched late in the first quarter. That game was a virtual monsoon of a rain storm, and nothing at the Coliseum yesterday was even close to that deluge, but it was an interesting wrinkle to throw at the rookie, who must surely have been expecting the weather at his first home game—in Los Angeles—to be anything but a factor.

    For those Rams fans hoping to see Goff transform the passing game and breathe life into the offense, it didn’t quite happen that way. Over the course of the game, he only attempted five passes over 10 yards in the air from the line of scrimmage—two of which came in the final three plays, as he tried to mount a forlorn drive to rescue the game—and he didn’t complete any of them.

    Goff put one back-shoulder throw more or less where it was supposed to be early in the game, only to see it broken up by CB Byron Maxwell; by and large, though, this was a game of short, underneath passing.

    It’s not that Goff didn’t want to look deep, but rather that Miami’s defense was bringing plenty of pressure, and the QB didn’t have an endless amount of time to sit in the pocket and survey the field.

    Even with a few plays where he held the ball too long, Goff’s average time to throw was 2.26 seconds, the fourth-fastest time in the league this week. 67.6 percent of the passes he attempted were out in 2.5 seconds or less, again the fourth-highest rate in the league, and his average depth of target was 8.1 yards down field, tied for 18th—one spot above Chiefs QB Alex Smith.

    Despite that quick passing offense, Goff was still under pressure on 15 of his 34 dropbacks, and on many of those throws, was inaccurate, though it is difficult to judge how much of that was impacted by the slick conditions.

    When kept clean, Goff completed 66.7 percent of his passes, though for just 4.7 yards per attempt, and had a passer rating of 77.3; when he was pressured, those numbers all crashed. He completed just 38.5 percent of passes under pressure, for almost a full yard less per attempt (3.8) and a passer rating of 49.8.

    Jared Goff vs pressure

    Overall, Goff didn’t make any catastrophic mistakes like the ones that punctuated his preseason performance, which will be encouraging for those looking to see if he was mentally ready for the big stage, having been kept on the bench for so long. He wasn’t working through his progression much, but he didn’t often have the kind of time to get that done. Crucially, though, he wasn’t completely misreading plays, outside of one pass early on that looked like he took the wrong option on a slant/flat combination route to one side of the field.

    Goff’s biggest issue in this game was simple inaccuracy. He overthrew his receivers four times, under-threw them once, and missed laterally twice. While Goff was under pressure plenty in college, he was typically pretty accurate even when under duress. Last season, even when hurried, Goff was accurate on 64.7 percent of his passes, good enough for top 10 in the nation, so it seems unlikely that ability would desert him as a pro.

    If Goff’s accuracy was significantly affected by the rain, then we’ll get a far better idea of what he can do in a week’s time when the Rams take on the Saints. New Orleans plays in a dome, and also doesn’t have anything like the pass-rush that Miami fields weekly.

    Goff’s first NFL action wasn’t exactly a let-down, nor does he look likely to provide any kind of spark to the L.A. offense this season. He is a QB still very much being eased into action, and had his work made even more difficult in Week 11 by playing in the rain.

    in reply to: Who Will Replace Fisher? #59271
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    Calling Schottenheimer’s tenure with the Rams as being positive is definitely debatable, but I don’t think there is much doubt that Cignetti’s and now Boras’s tenures have been train wrecks.

    The doubt comes from what can be said to cause the problems. You assume it’s 100% the coordinators, I don’t. In fact this year;s offense is not even 100% “train wreck.” It has actually been far more up and down than that.

    It can even be seen as having stages.

    First 2 games are bad.

    Games 3-6 are much better in a lot of ways, though not the running game.

    Games 7-10 they started to slump again on offense.

    And not everything in the bad patches there reduces to the coordinator.

    They have the potential with Goff to bring it back up again. So I don;t know, will they?

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    off the net from Hazlet Hacksaw

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    Mortensen said that he would be very surprised if Fisher wasn’t the coach next year.

    in reply to: Who Will Replace Fisher? #59251
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    And lets assume that the offense is 100% Boras with ZERO input from JF….at what point is JF held accountable for the multiple failed OC hires hes made?

    I don’t see Schott as having failed.

    I think Cigz was fired because of behind closed doors stuff.

    I am not convinced Boras is a problem. I think a lot of things are going on.

    Fisher, like all head coaches who aren’t their own coordinators, has a lot of say over the offensive approach. And rightly so. But that’s league wide. Heck, Vermeil promised Martz that the offense was exclusively his, but then when he was miked, you could hear DV saying stuff about the general approach to things and about situational football. So I don’t see Fisher as being different from anyone else when it comes to that.

    in reply to: the Miami game was not the "Fisher offense" #59250
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    How often are we going to listen to his post-game comments telling us the same things all the time?

    Probably as often as they lose.

    So the trick is, if they win, we won’t hear it.

    in reply to: the Miami game was not the "Fisher offense" #59245
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    Thing about me is, though, I am not doing “Fisher should stay/go” with every single issue.

    To me, it’s just simply true that the Miami game was not the “Fisher offense.” That’s regardless of any other consideration.

    For one thing it doesn’t even have to do with whether or not they lost the game. IMO they did not lose because of the offense, they lost the game because of defensive let-downs.

    For another thing it’s no argument either way for keeping him or moving on. People can just go, okay, true, that game is not the Fisher offense but…still, I don’t care, let him go. So the details of how/when they throw downfield are just not linked to any larger discussion.

    Now if it reaches the point where the sentiment is so overwhelmingly for letting him go, then, there’s no point in posting about narrow, specific issues and saying “yes/no that is/isn’t the Fisher offense.” Because if the sentiment is that overwhelming, things like my post above are just never going to be discussed in their own terms. It will always become “let’s move on,” and discussing the details of their play independent of that big issue just won’t go anywhere.

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    in reply to: Who Will Replace Fisher? #59218
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    Real answer later. Tuesdays are busy for me and in fact this post comes from my phone. Later then.

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    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher – November 21, 2016

    (Opening remarks)

    “Obviously, when you carry a lead as far as we did in the fourth quarter, play the way we did on defense, and the way we played on special teams – it’s disappointing that we let this one slip away. Very disappointed in the outcome. We’ll credit them. We had two drives defensively that we allowed to be finished, particularly because, in my opinion, there were two penalties – both by our two defensive captains, one by (DT) Aaron (Donald) and one by (LB Alec Ogletree) ‘Tree’ on the sideline. A 15-yard penalty on drives like that – they were obviously deciding factors in the game. That doesn’t take away from what we didn’t do offensively. We didn’t score enough points – that’s been a common theme here and we need to get better at that. It’s hard as a coach – when you stand and you lose a football game – it’s hard to say that anyone put forth a winning effort. I thought our special teams was outstanding against a really well-coached opponent. The winning effort was there from them.

    “Looking at (QB) Jared’s (Goff) performance, I was impressed with what he did – he’s not going to say he was okay, because we lost. But I thought he managed things well – no delay of games, he was in complete control, he was composed, and he got us in and out of a lot of really good things. We didn’t take our shots down the field, that in retrospect we probably needed to do. But he knew where to go with the football and I was proud of his first outing. We get a stop or intercept a pass – one of the two or three that we had our hands on – we win the game and we’re talking about Jared right now and nothing else. We’re moving forward. What greater challenge could we have than the Saints. They’re first in the NFL in total offense, so it’s a great challenge for our defense. Defensively, they’ve given us some points and they’ve suffered through some injuries. But we’re moving on and on to the Saints right now.

    “Injury-wise – really the only significant injury we had in the game was (LB) Josh Forrest and it looks like it’s going to be a four to six week injury. Most likely we’ll put him on injured reserved and we’ll bring up (LB Nic Grigsby) ‘Grigs’ to handle his special teams responsibilities. But beyond that, guys sucked it up – (C Tim Barnes) ‘Timmy’: no practice – play, (CB Trumaine Johnson) ‘Tru’: no practice – play. We should be in good shape this week.”

    (On why was this one of the toughest losses of his career)

    “Well, it was. When you’re at home and you’re up by 10, and you got a chance to go up by 13, and you’re playing defense the way you’re playing it, you should just go ahead and just finish the game; capture the game, capture the win. Yeah, it was disappointing – in particular the two defensive drives considering the way the defense played throughout the game. Miami had won four straight going into this thing, and (QB) Ryan (Tannehill) had been playing well. They had multiple 200(-yard) rush games with (RB) Jay (Ajayi). With the exception of the one long run he had, which we overcame, this is a game we should have won.”

    (On what prevented the offense from taking more shots down the field)

    “There was constant pressure. The coverage didn’t allow it. We had some shots. He (Goff) made a good throw to (WR) Kenny (Britt), and we didn’t come up with the ball. We would’ve liked to have seen pass interference called on that play, which is a field position change. But, they just kind of sat on things and took the run game away and at the same time pressure us. We’ve got to give Jared more opportunities through play-action, and get the ball down the field.”

    (On if he’s going to open up the play-calling for Goff rather than being conservative)

    “Yeah, we have to score points. So, yeah, we’re going to do more things. I thought the plan was good. He was comfortable with the plan, for the most part. We win the game if the defense makes their plays. As we move forward and continue to expand this offense with the goal of scoring points, he’s going to be a big part of it, and we’ll have to push it down the field.”

    (On what changed for RB Todd Gurley from the first quarter to the fourth quarter)

    “We call it a four-minute offense, but when you’re up like we were and the defense is one-dimensional and they’re stopping the run. We got to get to the point where we can overcome that when people line up and say, ‘We’re going to stop the run,’ we got to find ways to run it. But, that’s what we faced.”

    (On if it’s possible to be too conservative and preventing yourself from going forward)

    “No, I think you have to take a lot of things into consideration. We don’t go into games hoping that we’re going to win 10-9 or 6-3, we expect to score points. We don’t take a conservative approach, we had, like I told you guys last week, we put the plan in with Jared, it’s our same stuff. We’re hoping that he does a little better and the guys help him. We just had some issues. We had a block in the back on the great scramble for a first down by Jared, which was really unnecessary by (T) Greg (Robinson) – that killed a first down and good field position. We have to overcome the individual mistakes – you can’t jump offsides on the first play of the game, you can’t have a false start when you have second-and-five and you have got good field position. It’s those things that are hurting us and those guys have to understand. There potentially may be some different guys playing this week.”

    (On CB Troy Hill’s status)

    “Still in the process of trying to gather more facts from law enforcement – we’ve got a copy of the police report and all that. When we got the information Saturday morning, decided to deactivate him, told him not to come to the facility nor to the game. I spoke with him briefly today – I’m very, very disappointed in him, disappointed in his choices, but waiting to get the results from law enforcement before I make a decision.”

    (On if he would consider changing play-callers)

    “No, not given any consideration. I did that last year. I have confidence in (offensive coordinator) Rob (Boras), and the offense has confidence in Rob. The offense, right now, knows that they’re not doing what they should be doing.”

    (On of the potential lineup changes could come at the offensive line)

    “We’re looking at everything right now. We need production, we need to minimize mistakes, we’ve got some repeat mistake-makers. That’s still under discussion.”

    (On if they have a ‘bunker mentality’ with all the noise and criticism)

    “We can’t pay attention to that. If you do, it becomes a distraction and becomes crippling. What you do is you look at the things that you did well. As you correct the game, you show them the contact plays and the extraordinary plays that were made in this game – unfortunately, it ended up in a losing effort. You can’t concern yourself with that. Like I said, if you’re referring to me personally, I’ve never looked over my shoulder – I don’t, it’s a week-to-week thing. I’m fired up every week about the next challenge, so that’s where we’re at and that’s where we’re going.”

    (On if there is a reason for the offense being so productive in the first quarter and then production falling off later in the game)

    “No, that’s a good point. We’ve had a tendency to have issues on first and second down and then third down – which is obviously a big challenge for you in the second quarter. I thought we’ve done a good job, over time with the adjustments in the third quarter. Things just have just not progressed the way we’ve liked. We’re looking at all of those things.

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    Martz inherited a built team and then destroyed it.

    Damn I sure wish some young aggressive offensive genius would come and destroy the Rams to 2 Super Bowls 5 trips to the playoffs in six years 3 consecutive seasons over 500 points again.;) Martz is a pipe-dream though too old and health concerns, I doubt he’d take the job.

    To be honest I don’t remember the Linehan implosion , I think I just went remote ,lots of bow hunting but I do remember the Spags/Fisher transition and resulting “Is it a rebuild or just a few players debate and your position was the latter . It’s seems like you are extremely hard on Martz , the winningest coach in Rams history as compared to anyone else ?

    We do have some minor disagreements here. I have a way, it seems, of non-plussing guys who admire Martz. On the disagreements, fwiw. Martz went to one superbowl. Vermeil went to the other and at that point Martz was coordinating the team Vermeil built. I was a Martz critic going back to 2000. Not a harsh one, but the fact that he is “winningest”? Well he was as long as he had Vermeil’s team. That started to decline. My main point about that is, given the team he did inherit, he was just going to win. I mean, any good coach would have won with those players…not any good coach would have set records with them though so there’s that.

    It’s true they rebuilt the defense in 2001, but actually part of that is that he promoted a few guys who were already there, too–the new starters on the 2001 defense were not all new additions. Guys like Bly, Little and Zgonia were already there. IMO that defense and its effectiveness was greatly helped by Little emerging. He had 14.5 sacks that year, his best season.

    Linehan, it was a lot of things. Right up there is the fact that he never had a healthy offensive line. He lost the players.

    In fact yes Fisher kept a number of pre-2012 players, and that is driven home by comparing the Rams to what Carroll did in Seattle, which was to really clean house. Largely that difference was because Spags/Devaney were better at drafting than the guys who preceded Carroll were. So what Fisher kept was some talented starters and some effective role players In fact last year, before letting CL and JL go for this year, the Rams had 8 key players from the pre-2012 years…which is a lot for 4 years into a regime. Now it’s down to 6. To compare, Carrol has none from before he was there. Again, though, that;s because Fisher had some good players to keep, while Carrol basically got next to nothing.

    Either way, Fisher did not inherit an entire, hyper-talented superbowl team. He did inherit some players well worth keeping. But what he did inherit did not amount to a “team any good coach could win with,” like the 2000 Rams were.

    Some think I take too much away from Martz. Okay, I might. Maybe I do.

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    Jeff Fisher on Jared Goff’s debut: ‘You could see the light’

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18100632/los-angeles-rams-qb-jared-goff-makes-first-nfl-start

    LOS ANGELES — Jared Goff was a healthy scratch for the regular-season opener, but through hard work, he emerged as the No. 2 quarterback for the Rams behind Case Keenum.

    On Sunday against the Miami Dolphins, the No. 1 overall pick from this year’s draft made his NFL debut.

    While it wasn’t what Rams fans would have liked, with Los Angeles losing a 10-point lead in the final five minutes and falling 14-10 to Miami, coach Jeff Fisher said the rookie ably handled the mechanics of the game.

    “He did a really good job,” Fisher said. “No delay of games. He was in complete control in the huddle. He did a nice job on the line of scrimmage. I was disappointed in the outcome of the game, but you could see the light — there’s light there for him.

    “So we’ll continue to allow him to get ready and continue to progress.”

    Goff finished 17-of-31 for 134 yards with zero touchdown passes and zero interceptions. He was sacked once and finished with a 65.8 passer rating.

    Because of the unusually wet weather at Los Angeles Memorial Stadium, Goff said the Rams played things close to the vest offensively. Goff attempted just five passes of 10 or more yards, failing to complete any of them.

    Goff said getting in and out of the huddle and not having any delay of games was a positive, but something he would like to improve on is to be cleaner on his reads when the Rams hit the road to face the New Orleans Saints next week.

    “I don’t expect us to do anything crazy next week,” Goff said. “We’ll do what we do. Of course we had shots in the plan and stuff that we wanted to do. I was really happy with the playcalling and felt very comfortable out there.”

    Tight end Lance Kendricks said one thing that surprised him was Goff’s ability to create plays outside the pocket. A handful of times Goff escaped the pass rush and either found receivers downfield or ran for extra yards.

    “I honestly didn’t realize that he’s able to get around like he does,” Kendricks said. “I was surprised that he got out of the pocket a couple times. So that’s something we can work on, him being able to scramble and us making plays when he scrambles.”

    Goff said he was nervous early on but got comfortable after the first series. He also looked to Keenum for assistance during the game.

    “Case was great,” Goff said. “I told him before the game that I’m going to need to lean on you. And he gave me good information when I came over there, which helped me out. He told me what the pressures were that they were bringing. He was really helpful.”

    Fisher said the Rams didn’t eliminate anything from the playbook with Goff making his first start but that Los Angeles was limited more by Miami’s aggressive defense.

    “I was really proud of him,” Fisher said. “It’s hard to praise any one of your players in a loss like this, but when all eyes were on our quarterback, I thought he handled this game pretty well.

    “I’m looking forward to him having another real week of preparation. What greater challenge can you imagine being in his shoes than going down and competing against Drew Brees? That’s a huge challenge for a young quarterback.”

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    Forget Goff, the letdown came on defense

    Jim Thomas

    When Miami took over at its 23 with 6 minutes 40 seconds to play, the Dolphins trailed 10-0. But given the struggles its offense was having against the Los Angeles Rams’ defense, it might as well have been 30-0.

    More than 3 1/2 quarters into the game, the Dolphins had a meager 118 yards of offense. Quarterback Ryan Tannehill had completed 12 of 21 passes for 57 yards and an interception. Not 257, not 157. Just fifty-seven.

    The Rams were even controlling the Dolphins’ budding star at running back — Jay Ajayi. The Dolphins were zero for 11 on third-down conversions, and had punted 10 times.

    With Pro Bowl offensive linemen Branden Albert and Mike Pouncey pregame scratches with injuries, and first-round draft pick Laremy Tunsil leaving in the first half with a shoulder injury, things didn’t figure to change.

    But it did after Greg Zuerlein’s 48-yard field goal bounced off the left upright, no good with 6:40 to play:

    — Tannehill completed seven of eight passes and a touchdown pass on a 77-yard drive.

    — After a 3-and-out by the Rams’ offense, the Dolphins got the ball back at their 25, with 2:11 to play.

    — Tannehill went five-for-five and a TD on a 75-yard drive, throwing the game-winner to wide receiver DeVante Parker with 36 seconds to play.

    And just like that, the 10-0 deficit became a 14-10 Miami victory, and a stunning loss for the Rams. Owner Stan Kroenke may have taken the money and run from St. Louis to further enriching himself. But the same team followed.

    The Rams are4-6, with a tough finishing schedule that includes New Orleans, Atlanta, New England, Seattle, and Arizona. It looks exactly like more “7-9 bull (bleep)” to quote from coach Jeff Fisher on the “Hard Knocks” training camp series on HBO.

    Fisher’s Rams once again appear to be wasting a playoff-caliber defense. The Rams have moved up to sixth in the NFL in total defense after holding their fourth consecutive opponent under 300 yards and under 20 points.

    But the Rams are 1-3 in those games because of amazingly inept offense — offense as bad as anything Fisher put out there during four seasons in St. Louis. The eagerly-anticipated debut of No. 1 overall draft pick Jared Goff at quarterback changed nothing.

    In their prior three games, the Rams scored 10 points against the New York Giants, 10 more against Carolina, and nine vs. the New York Jets with Case Keenum at quarterback. They were right on pace under Goff, with 10 points against the Dolphins. Teams are always striving for consistency, but not that kind of consistency.

    Unlike parts of his preseason work, Goff didn’t look lost Sunday at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. He got the ball out quick, made some good throws, and showed some escape-ability in the pocket.

    But he missed high on a few throws early, and nearly had a sideline throw intercepted late in the second quarter. There were times when Goff held onto the ball too long, struggling to make a decision.

    The Rams kept it very conservative for him. Too conservative. At the end of the day, Goff threw 31 times, completing 17 for only 134 yards. That averages out to a ridiculously low 4.3 yards per attempt.

    Even within a conservative scheme, you’ve got to take a chance every now and then to win in the NFL. Stretch the field. Throw it deep. Put some pressure on the opposing defense. The Rams were unwilling to do so, and almost got away with it. Almost.

    In the end, Goff wasn’t really a factor in the Rams winning or losing. He was just out there. If you were looking for any semblance of magic — you know, the kind you might get from someone you traded six draft picks to land — well, maybe next week.

    The Rams have lived and died with their defense and special teams all season. But when the time came to close out Sunday’s game, the defense couldn’t deliver. Three of the team’s top defensive players let them down on the final two Miami drives.

    The Dolphins’ first touchdown drive was aided by a 15-yard late-hit penalty against Alec Ogletree — the Rams’ best linebacker — for striking wide receiver Jarvis Landry out of bounds.

    The Dolphins’ second TD drive got a free 15 yards when Aaron Donald — the Rams’ top defensive lineman — was flagged for a helmet-to-helmet hit on Tannehill. The Rams have always been penalty-prone under Fisher, and that hasn’t changed just because the team has changed addresses.

    And finally, on the game-winning touchdown, Parker beat cornerback Trumaine Johnson — the team’s top defensive back — on a nine-yard out pattern to the right front corner of the end zone. Johnson, of course, is playing under the franchise tag this season.

    Just because you’re a franchise player doesn’t mean you’re perfect. But top players are paid big bucks to come through in the clutch. And that didn’t happen this time. Not for Johnson, and not for the Rams’ highly-touted defense.

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    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Monday-Wrap-Up-Potential-Changes-to-Offense/f9000f0c-d0ac-48be-bda8-b46beb5aa121

    TROY HILL UPDATE

    Involved in an off-the-field incident over the weekend, cornerback Troy Hill was deactivated for Sunday’s game. Fisher provided an update on Hill’s status with the team on Monday.

    “I’m still in the process of trying to gather more facts from law enforcement — haven’t got a copy of the police report and all that,” Fisher said. “So, when we got the information Saturday morning, decided to deactivate him — told him not to come to the facility nor to the game. So, I spoke with him briefly today. I’m very, very disappointed in him, disappointed in his choices. But waiting to get the results from law enforcement before we make a decision.”

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    I am not putting Foles at anyone’s feet. No one predicted anything like that meltdown. Because it was not predictable. Fisher is about as responsible for that as he is for Bradford’s injuries, or as responsible McCarthy is for Rodgers declining, or as responsible Arians is for Palmer declining.

    that’s what he’s paid to do. he was wrong on foles. no one can predict anything. but this is not the same as bradford’s injuries. it’s not the same as palmer or rodgers declining. we differ on that. he’s just not who they thought he was.

    he got the receivers wrong. he just did.

    the oline has been a revolving door.

    now maybe one or two of them i can understand. stuff happens. all three have been a disaster so far. hopefully, goff comes good. but almost all aspects of the offense have been a mess for five years, and he hasn’t been able to fix even 1 unit. except maybe rb.

    Well except all personnel people including coaches are paid to find players, and sometimes, in fact a lot of the time, the player doesn’t pan out.

    So to me what they’re actually paid to do is to keep doing it until it works. (Though if it KEEPS not working, then, you have to account for that). Anything else, to me, is just an unreal standard, given the way the reality works.

    To me, it doesn’t amount to any kind of criticism to say Foles crashed. There was no way anyone could have predicted that—there was nothing in his past to indicate he would fall to pieces THAT much. To me, that’s no different from not perceiving in advance that Bradford would suffer not one but 2 knee injuries to the same knee.

    Just as there was no reason for Arians to assume Palmer would go south this quickly.

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    Reaction to Rams QB Jared Goff’s performance in his NFL debut in Week 11 | FOX NFL SUNDAY

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    Jared Goff’s dream debut turns into nightmare Rams loss

    By Michael Silver
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    Published: Nov. 21, 2016 at 04:12 a.m.
    Updated: Nov. 21, 2016 at 11:50 a.m.

    LOS ANGELES — She was leaning over a railing atop the wide, well-worn tunnel leading from the L.A. Coliseum’s locker rooms to the corner of the west end zone, waiting for the chance to make a visual connection with her son before he took the field to thunderous applause, when Nancy Goff’s eyes got unmistakably moist.

    Alas, she wasn’t tearing up: The moment Nancy’s son, Jared, had been dreaming about for most of his 22 years was about to arrive, but instead of being awash in sentiment and emotion, she was wiping away raindrops from her seemingly ageless face. It was an act Nancy — whose game-day attire included stylish aviator shades, a long, thin, white sweater and white sandals — would perform over and over throughout a soggy Sunday afternoon in Southern California. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    “It’s just so un-friggin-believable that it’s raining here, today, of all days,” Nancy said as she waited for Jared to appear a few minutes before kickoff, while standing a few yards from her and her family’s seats near the bottom of Section 10. “I mean, how is this happening? I just never thought that when this day came, it would be like this.”

    It was Mother Nature 1, Mother Goff 0 — and by nightfall, she was on the wrong side of a more significant score. After utterly dominating the Miami Dolphins for 53 minutes, the Rams dropped a 14-10 decision in front of 83,483 fans, spoiling the promising but ultimately unfulfilling debut of the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft.

    While Goff’s future may be bright, the Rams’ newly installed quarterback of the present had a mood to match the dreary weather as he stood alone at his locker following Sunday’s stunning defeat.

    “That was just brutal,” Goff told me, slapping his right hand against his knee for emphasis. “We had it. We let it slip away. And the worst part is, we did it to ourselves.”

    He wasn’t lying: With the Rams (4-6) holding a 10-0 lead midway through the fourth quarter and Goff guiding them toward what looked like a potential game-clinching score, it appeared as though this was a heartwarming, made-for-television Tinseltown tale approaching its inevitably cheery ending. Instead, for Goff and the home team, a horror flick ensued.

    Call it Nightmare At Exposition Park.

    “Jared was everything we needed,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said as he stood in the hallway leading to the coaches’ locker room, a few minutes after completing his press conference. “His presence was great. His communication was great. He made reads and checks and got us in the right protections and had command of the run game. He slid in the pocket and he made throws. He was in control, and he knew it — it was no different than the way I was feeling.

    “He didn’t lose it. Had the defense made a stop, we’d be in here smiling, and the story would have been, ‘Jared won the game for us.’ And up until the end, he thought he was gonna win this game, and so did I.”

    Seven months after the Rams selected the former Cal star with the top pick, and five days after Fisher announced that Goff had supplanted placeholder Case Keenum as the starter, there was a palpable sense of excitement in the misty air as fans flocked to this aged stadium steeped in so much history. And nowhere was the anticipation greater than in Parking Lot 1, where a couple dozen of Goff’s family members (including father Jerry and big sister Lauren) and friends tailgated outside an RV, with pulled pork and California microbrews enhancing the festivities.

    “I’m nervous, but I’m also very, very excited,” Nancy said. “The first few weeks, they were doing well, and I think Jared was fine sitting and watching. But the last few weeks, he’s been like, ‘I can’t wait’ — and now, the wait is finally over.”

    Why now? Well, glad you asked. Four games into the season, the Rams — on the strength of a surprising, 17-13 road victory over the Arizona Cardinals — were 3-1, and Fisher felt no compulsion to rush his rookie into action. They then proceeded to lose their next four, with Keenum becoming increasingly unproductive.

    Last Sunday, L.A. slogged out a 9-6 road victory over the New York Jets, marking the second time this season the Rams had managed to win a game without scoring a touchdown. By that point, Fisher was already convinced that the time had come to go with Goff, whose promise had compelled the franchise to swing a blockbuster deal with the Tennessee Titans allowing them to move up 14 spots in the draft.

    “Look, he’s the future of the franchise, and we went up and drafted the kid for a reason,” one Rams source familiar with Fisher’s mindset said before Sunday’s game. “The offense needed a spark, and we’re not totally out of [playoff contention], so we might as well see what he’s got.

    “There’ll probably be some moments where he makes throws that make you go, ‘Wow — I see why he’s the No. 1 pick.’ And there’ll be others where he looks like a rookie making his first start. But the bottom line is, what’s the worst thing that’s gonna happen? We don’t score a touchdown?”

    After the game, during which Goff put up relatively pedestrian numbers (17 of 31, 134 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions) but was hardly overwhelmed by the moment, Fisher told me, “It was a progression. All the way through [the season], he grew. We saw it every week. And finally, we’d seen enough where I knew it was time.”

    On Tuesday morning, Goff and Keenum were alone in a room watching game film at the team’s temporary training facility in Thousand Oaks, California, when Fisher walked in and abruptly informed them, “I’m going to go with Jared this week,” explaining his reasoning over the next few minutes before departing. The situation could have been abundantly awkward, “but it really wasn’t,” Goff recalled, “because Case has been such a pro about this, and we’ve really been supportive of each other the whole time.”

    Goff spent the next several days grinding as though it were finals week at Cal. “I called him Thursday night to check in,” Goff’s cousin, Kevin Mirchandani, said at the pregame tailgate. “I said, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘I’m alone at the facility, just watching film.’ And that’s pretty much how it was all week. I’m anxious, but I’ve been watching him play since Pop Warner, and I’ve never seen a game be too big for him.”

    Seconds later, as if scripted by a Hollywood screenwriter, it began to rain — and it was impossible not to think back to Goff’s freshman year at Cal, when he had such a miserable outing in a rain-drenched game at Oregon that he was pulled in the first quarter. In the months leading up to the draft, he addressed his can’t throw a wet ball stigma by shining in a private workout for the Rams in a Berkeley downpour and, at the end of his Pro Day throwing session, uncorking a football subjected to some squirts from a Gatorade bottle by Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton.

    “This isn’t even really rain,” Jerry Goff said hopefully as he stood in his seat in Section 10, near the southwest corner of the stadium, a few minutes before Sunday’s kickoff. “It shouldn’t make much of a difference to him. When I watched him spin it in pregame warmups, it really calmed me down.”

    As the rainfall steadily increased, however, it became clear that both offenses were affected by the elements. In fairness to Goff, he seemed to handle the wet conditions at least as well as veteran Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill, whose first 11 drives of the game ended with 10 punts and a third-quarter interception (one play after Miami had recovered a fumble by Rams tight end Lance Kendricks, who’d just caught a nice throw over the middle by Goff but subsequently lost his grip).

    The Rams, meanwhile, punctuated their second drive with a 24-yard touchdown run by halfback Todd Gurley, one play after Goff’s crisp slant to receiver Kenny Britt that resulted in a 19-yard gain. Moments like that warmed a mother’s heart — even as Nancy Goff’s sandal-clad feet were subjected to an unanticipated stream of chilliness.

    “We obviously didn’t see the rain coming,” Nancy said during a third-quarter TV timeout. Turning to her daughter, a UCLA graduate student who also spent her undergraduate years at the Westwood campus, she asked, “Lauren — during all the years you’ve lived here, how many days have been like this, where it just rains steadily?”

    “Like today?” Lauren asked, laughing. “Maybe two. I mean, growing up in Northern California, we got days like this all the time, and sometimes I kind of miss them. But it would be great if I could just be curled up on my couch.”

    Said Nancy: “You know what this is? It’s ‘The Goff Luck.’ ”

    The Goff Luck?

    “Obviously, we’ve been very lucky in life, so it’s not literal,” Nancy said. “But sometimes odd things happen, where we go, ‘Is this really happening to us right now?’ and this goes waaay back on Jerry’s side of the family, so it’s something we’ve always kind of laughed about. The rain today is classic Goff Luck.”

    There was some Goff skill on display, too. He showed the propensity for smart, quick decision-making and trademark rapid release that made him such an enticing prospect. He picked up blitzes, uncorked some of the throws (like deep outs) that Keenum had trouble completing and made relatively few mistakes. Goff also slid in the pocket to extend throws and surprisingly did some damage with his feet, rushing four times for 11 yards. In the fourth quarter, he had a crowd-pleasing, 11-yard scamper (on third-and-10) that was called back because of an illegal block by left tackle Greg Robinson.

    After one run, Goff told me later, referee Gene Steratore came up to him and joked, “You keep running around like that, and I’m gonna have to make you quit.”

    Conversely, Goff at times looked like a player making his first career start, sailing some passes and largely failing to stretch the field in the manner his coaches had hoped. He took only one sack, but it was a doozy: On a third-and-4 play in the second quarter, Goff spun in the pocket, seemed to lose his spatial awareness and drifted right into the path of Dolphins defensive end Cameron Wake, who put a hit on the quarterback that loosely translated to, Stay Woke.

    “That was pretty much my ‘Welcome to the NFL moment,’ ” Goff said afterward as he left the stadium, walking about three feet behind the smiling Wake. “I made a bad decision, and he made me pay for it. He crushed me.”

    In the end, however, Goff was still standing — and at least one renowned quarterback guru was impressed.

    “We pressured the s— out of him, and he didn’t look bothered at all,” Dolphins coach Adam Gase told me after exiting his postgame press conference. “I mean, believe me, I had my own problems — but from what I could tell, he handled the moment and executed the plan. It’s a good sign for them.”

    All signs pointed to a Rams victory after they got the ball back at midfield with 11:07 remaining and a 10-0 lead. Goff confidently drove the Rams to the Miami 30, with Britt catching a 6-yard pass on fourth-and-7. Fisher considered going for it but instead sent kicker Greg Zuerlein onto the field, only to watch his 48-yard field-goal attempt hit the left upright.

    Then, suddenly, the rain abated — and Tannehill and the Dolphins awoke, sandwiching a pair of rapid-fire touchdown drives around a three-and-out on which Goff threw underneath to Brian Quick for a six-yard gain on third-and-10. A pair of untimely personal fouls on Rams defenders (linebacker Alec Ogletree and defensive tackle Aaron Donald) didn’t help the home team’s cause, either.

    “I almost wish it had kept raining the whole game,” Goff said. “When it was raining, we didn’t want to put it in the air and take too many chances, and they were kind of approaching it the same way. Then the rain let up and it was like they said, ‘Whoa, maybe we can throw it.’ ”

    Tannehill’s 9-yard touchdown pass to DeVante Parker put Miami ahead by four with 36 seconds remaining, but the Dolphins’ fifth consecutive victory would not be secured until the final play. Benny Cunningham returned the ensuing kickoff to the Rams’ 41, and a pair of Goff completions moved the ball to the Dolphins’ 48 with five seconds to go.

    The young quarterback dropped back one last time, deftly swept to his left to avoid pressure and uncorked a high pass that drifted toward the middle of the end zone.

    “The main thing was, I didn’t want to get sacked,” Goff said. “And when I let it go, I really felt we were gonna get lucky on the Hail Mary.”

    Instead, the Rams got The Goff Luck: The ball sailed toward the waiting hands of Parker — moonlighting as a defensive back in the prevent defense — who deflected it out of the end zone.

    The Rams trudged into the locker room a grumpy bunch, but harboring hope that their young franchise quarterback will build upon an unsatisfying debut and provide some punch to an underwhelming attack.

    “The kid has some s— to him,” one Rams assistant said afterward. “It sucks to lose, but you never really know how it’s gonna go until you throw him in there, and it went well. He definitely has the poise you want in a quarterback.”

    For what it’s worth, one quarterback who knows a bit about the subject — a certain first-ballot Hall of Famer — said he liked what he saw of Goff.

    “Yeah, absolutely,” said Dolphins special advisor to the president/CEO Dan Marino. “He did good.”

    Well, for the most part, he did. Goff’s biggest failure on Sunday, it turns out, may have been his ill-advised wardrobe choices (hey, it runs in the family). The NorCal native walked out of the Coliseum and into the rainy SoCal night wearing jeans and a button-up dress shirt and was summarily soaked by the time he reached the parking lot, where scores of Rams family members were huddled under a white tent.

    “I hate going in there,” Goff said of the family area. Instead, he stood out in the rain until his family members spotted him. When Nancy reached her son, she wrapped him in a robust hug and said, “Jared, you did great. I’m so proud of you.”

    “Thanks, mom,” he said softly.

    This time, her eyes were filled with more than raindrops.

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    in reply to: "Build the Wall" chants at Football game #59158
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    Sometimes the “depends on what it means to you” game goes too far off the tracks.

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    Well my ‘own’ subjective, personal, intuition is in alignment with what you seem to think. So in that sense we are in accord. However my main point stands — Its all contested ideological ground. There were many chanters, each meaning ‘something’ and there are many ‘interpreters’ interpreting the meaning in various ways, all colored by individual politics. There’s no way around that.

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    There are different interpreters but then, some arguments are better than others.

    I really believe what I say…the Wilmont kids were using an attack phrase aimed at the kids who are more likely than they are to suffer any negative effects of immigration. So much for supporting the poor.

    It’s as if healthy kids were shouting “hey we have health insurance you losers don’t” to a bunch of kids on crutches.

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