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znModeratorI agree…seems like there is something else goin on that we aren’t privy to. All good OC’s adjust their gameplan and scheme based on who is available and their strengths and weaknesses.
Turner didn’t agree with how Zimmer on how to do that. So, he just walked. That;s the story.
znModeratorSo what Arians should have said, IMO, is “ha ha we have better luck keeping a starting qb than you do.” Cause anything else he might have said just simply follows from that.
Absolutely agree with you on this, here. The injuries (and Foles meltdown) at the QB position, and other injuries at key positions have all played a huge part in contributing to the losing records. No question about that.
My original point wasn’t trying to dismiss any of that. Rather, it was directed at a particular comment, at a particular point in time; specifically, after a loss to a #3 QB. And for me, it brought back memories of losses to San Fran with Pro Bowler Jim Druckenmiller at QB, and to Seattle with Hall of Famer Charlie Freaking Whitehurst at QB. Games where the Rams could have and probably should have taken advantage of a probable chink in their opponents armor.
And its these “L’s” that should be “W’s” that are the frustrating points, IMO. I can handle a loss to a better team – I don’t like it, but at least I can look at it and think well, with a tweak here or there, or a play made here or there, they might have pulled it off. But shooting yourself in the foot with dumb penalties, and mediocre play when the team is pretty healthy, is depressing.
I honestly have no idea what happened this year. Last year closed out with a fairly optimistic expectation that the D was hopefully going to remain decent, and that CK could safely navigate the O, with Gurley, until such time that Goff was ready to step in. It all made sense, until it didn’t .
I think that X posted something about putting players on the field who are physically gifted, but perhaps do not possess good football minds. They show flashes of brilliance, but not continual excellence. Maybe there’s something to that. I don’t know.NE, I honestly just think that all reduces to not having a qb.
They get a qb and what he can add, and they win more, and we complain less.
Meanwhile we can’t name teams that looked good on offense with a succession of #2 caliber qbs. And if we watched such a team playing I bet we could nitpick everything about every offensive player, when the entire time, it would just all work better if they had the qb.
znModeratorBoy…that sounds eerily familiar.
Yeah I already said it, but…
…there’s one thing I hope Goff has more of than Bradford, which is, namely, luck.
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znModeratorThe vikes wanted Turner to stay on but Shurmur to call plays. Norv said nope see ya.If you watched Thurs. you saw the same dink and dunk play calling that drove some of us nuts when Shurmur was here. Bradford started 16 games that season and has not since.
They’re throwing short quick passes because the OL, as injured as it is, along with being 32nd in rushing, cannot protect the qb unless they do.
It’s been a delicate balance for the Vikings on offense. Shurmur went to the short passing game to help protect Bradford behind an injury-riddled offensive line and to make up for a shaky running game.
Bradford wasn’t sacked and Zimmer said he got hit just three times, which was “pretty good.’’ But Bradford rarely threw downfield.
znModeratoralso on goff. because of the trade up to get him he better be way way way way better than bradford ever was.
I don’t agree with that.
They wanted a qb because they lost 2. They did what they had to do to get a top one. Personally I am not going to put this albatross around his neck and say “you have to be worth x amount of picks.”
I am just going to go, good they have a franchise qb.
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znModeratorNot really sure what happened up there in Minny but I know that offense has imploded. I think some of that is because Norv left.
That’s simple. The OL fell completely apart because of injuries, like “Rams OL injuries in a bad year” level fell apart, and they lost Peterson.
Turner left because he wanted to maintain a downfield passing game even with the extensive OL injuries and even with the running game diminished without Peterson (with Peterson you could at least have credible play action). Zimmer wanted an offense that wouldn’t expose the qb that way, given the OL wreckage and the drop-off in the running game. So Turner just got out of the way.
In fact, given what happened to the OL, there’s a good chance if Turner had stayed, it would have been worse.
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znModeratorLower draft position is not equivalent to not having a starting qb the majority of the time. The Uncle Billy Patz have had a starting caliber qb the majority of the time, in fact one of the best.
Then draft a QB that can stay healthy when not being hit. Get an O line in front of him that can protect him. Brady has gone down before by injury and by suspension and the Cheatriots keep on winning. No more excuses for 7-9 if they’re lucky Snisher.
Fact is, if the Patz knew what Brady was, they would not have waited to the 6th round. So they just plain flat lucked out. That’s all there is to it.
So not only do they have Brady, based a great deal on luck alone, but turns out Brady does not get injured (just that one year.) That is not the same as having 7 qbs in 5 years. Your big complaint being they were not prescient enough to know that Bradford would get 2 knee injuries to the same knee.
So tell me right now. Will Goff be as durable as Brady or not? Because if it’s possible to know that in advance, then, yeah, they get blame for it. But if it’s possible to know that in advance then tell me right now how it’s going to go.
In advance, the Patz had no idea that Brady would miss only 19 games in 16 years. Acting like they get credit for that kind of luck is just not a good argument.
And that’s leaving aside the fact that it’s a bogus argument to compare these guys to Billichick. NO COACH in the last 16 years measures up to Billichick. So every single fan in the country, of any team, can say “well our coach is no Billichick.” An exception is not a normal standard.
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November 26, 2016 at 1:08 pm in reply to: The LA Rams: the 4 year window and what the market will bear… #59541znModeratorI’m glad that the Rams are in good enough cap shape to keep him if they want to. Thanks.
Well it’s more than that. Not only is it possible to keep Quinn, it’s not even really an issue. As I say a couple of posts above, the fan blogger who speculated that keeping Donald was tied to Quinn is just plain wrong. Even saying that shows he doesn’t know enough to discuss cap issues credibly. That is, it’s simply NOT a real issue–and the guy doesn’t get the Rams cap well enough to see that.
To me, it’s like my wife saying “hey I read an online article about how carburetors can eat your foot while driving.” And I go, “carburetors cannot eat anything let alone your feet.” And she goes “good, that clears up one worry.” Truth is–it was never an actual worry. It’s just a writer who’s not on top of the issue. That’s all it really is.
November 26, 2016 at 12:55 pm in reply to: The LA Rams: the 4 year window and what the market will bear… #59537znModeratorThey know they’ll have to mortgage the proverbial farm to extend and sign All-Pro defensive tackle Aaron Donald in 2018, which means defensive end Robert Quinn is likely gone to create Salary Cap space.
You know, personally, this is why I don’t post much stuff from the fan blogs. It is invariably not as good as a well-informed message board discussion among diehard posters. I’m not faulting anyone for posting it…people can post anything. But once posted it’s a fair target.
And that piece is so full of flaws I don’t even know where to start.
What I quote there is a good example of that—it’s complete nonsense that they have to lose Quinn to keep Donald. That’s not even remotely plausible. That is, it’s not a matter of opinion and the writer chooses one way of seeing over other possibilities—it flat-out does not make sense. The Rams cap has been set up to handle things like signing Donald in the future (that’s one reason why they don’t keep guys at positions they are good at replacing, like the secondary–signing McLeod and Jenkins subtracts from future cap space, and why do that when you are crazy deep in the secondary. And as of right now, even with losing JJ and McL, Johnson missing time, the Rams pass defense is ranked 6th in the league.)
I don’t even know what that claim about losing Quinn would be based on.
And that’s not the only huge flaw in that piece.
At least when it comes to Quinn, though, I agree with Ag:
The Rams are in good shape. They lost a bit this year in talent, but the future looks bright. They have enough money to sign Donald and Goff. They can keep Quinn or let him go, that is independent to whether they sign Donald. Depending on how they want to structure their future cap, they can keep their 8 to 12 best players for the next few years. They just have to be correct on picking the right players to extend.
znModeratorMod lesson in quoting with this software, #2.
Ag quoting.
Because Ag is one of the posters who colors his font (and more power to him), here’s what you get when you just hit “quote.”
<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I know Belicheat does two things he cheats, he is the best at in game decisions and strategy, and he cheats.</span>
<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>He does two other things, he cheats, his teams make fewer mistakes, and he cheats.</span>
If you;ve done it that way, but your post is clean anyway, it’s because after you posted, a mod used silent edit to clean it up.
Here’s the safer, cleaner method. Don’t just hit “quote.” Use your cursor to blue out the text you want to quote, THEN hit “quote.” And it comes out like this, no mod clean-up required:
I know Belicheat does two things he cheats, he is the best at in game decisions and strategy, and he cheats.
Doing it that way is fun, easy, and it gives you free daily vitamins.
Speaking of which, I got a big laugh the other day in a starbuck’s drive-thru. I ordered a medium quad cappacino with 2 stevia cooked in. The voice on the “order here” intercom said “will that be all” and I said “yes that’s all the food groups” and for some reason she thought that was hilarious, and was still laughing when I got up to the service window.
Plus I bet she knows how to quote posts. Though she’s also probably a Patz fan.
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znModeratorI am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense.
I’m not. My thing is not that the Fisher offense, in itself, isn’t good. My thing is, we actually haven’t SEEN the offense.
If it’s not one thing it’s another. Bradford gets hurt, Foles collapses, Keenum would have been fine with a running game but there is no running game this year, and Goff is just starting.
The times we actually HAVE seen the offense, I’ve liked it.
Well maybe Belicheat has never seen his offense either but he keeps getting it done with crap draft position every year.
Lower draft position is not equivalent to not having a starting qb the majority of the time. The Uncle Billy Patz have had a starting caliber qb the majority of the time, in fact one of the best.
znModeratorLeft tackle Greg Robinson in no mood to talk about his season-long struggles
By JACK WANG
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/robinson-736583-changes-little.html
THOUSAND OAKS – Greg Robinson has not had a good season.
Since becoming the No. 2 overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft, the former Auburn left tackle has started 38 games on the Rams’ offensive line. He has been, to put it generously, a disappointment.
The 24-year-old is an impressive sight at 6-foot-5 and 332 pounds, possessing quickness and agility that seem incongruous with his frame. But through nearly three seasons, he has yet to turn those athletic gifts into consistent production. Most concerning? A league-high 12 penalties, including a block in the back last Sunday that nullified a first-down conversion by rookie quarterback Jared Goff.
Earlier this week, Rams coach Jeff Fisher left the door open for changes on the offensive line. He has since rebuffed any questions about the look of the starting lineup, citing his desire to maintain a competitive advantage for Sunday’s road game against the Saints (4-6).
“If we make any roster changes, you’ll see Sunday,” he said Friday.
However, Fisher did speak somewhat positively when asked specifically about Robinson after a recent practice, pointing out his talent and determination as well as the difficulty of the left tackle position.
Asked Friday if he had a response to his coach’s comments, Robinson said, “Nothing.”
Taciturn even on his best day, the Louisiana native seemed particularly dour. He had already slipped out of the locker room unquestioned earlier this week, and appeared in no mood to talk – eventually sparing 30 words over a little more than four minutes.
Robinson called his performance this season “decent,” though he added that he needs to “work on a lot.”
Does he feel like he’s had a lot of highs and lows this season? “Nah.”
Has it been more of a straight-line journey? “It’s been all right.”
What about the block-in-the-back penalty that erased Goff’s run against the Dolphins? Have coaches addressed that with him this week?
“Nah.”
Any specific goals?
“Getting better,” he said.
znModeratorI’m starting to see what you are saying. I guess it’s all muddled to me bc he also was responsible for the talent he has. He can’t make his offense work bc he doesn’t have the right QB and/or personnel…. which he is responsible for.
Generally speaking, no coach makes the offense work without a starting caliber qb. He doesn’t have one of those because one injured the same knee twice, and the other melted down, got benched, and then asked to be released. To get one they traded up in the draft.
I think with decent quarterbacking from a born starter type, the offense is fine. With the personnel as is.
I know I am in the minority and I am trying to avoid board war approaches to the discussion. But still, it’s what I believe.
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znModeratorWILLIAMS’ RETURN TO NEW ORLEANS
As is well known, Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams held the same position with the Saints when they won the Super Bowl in 2009. He was with the team for two more seasons, making a number of more memories in the process. Sunday will represent the first time he’ll be back coaching in New Orleans since departing the franchise.
“I’ve not coached in a game down there, but I’ve been back there several times,” Williams said. “Really looking forward to it. Got a lot of great memories — a lot of good feelings, a lot of good people there that I still stay in contact with.”While all that experience with quarterback Drew Brees may seem to some as an advantage for Brees, Williams said that can work both ways.
“I know things about him, he knows things about me, too, in a practice situation,” Williams said. “There’s nobody I’ve been around who’s more precise in what they do, go about the profession the way he goes about it.”
Earlier in the week, Saints head coach Sean Payton praised Williams for the way he’s been able to consistently improve units throughout his time in the NFL.
“I think he’s doing a great job,” Payton said. “Really, when you follow his career as a defensive coordinator, he’s always had good defenses — you watch what they’re doing [and] in a short period of time, he’s been able to turn around a number of teams’ defenses. We’ve been grinding here, we’ve had a little bit of additional time, playing on a Thursday night, watching these guys. I think there are a number of things that concern you.
“Look, having had a chance to win a Super Bowl,” Payton added, “that’s something that you’ll always remember.”
Regardless, neither Williams nor Fisher are expecting much in terms of an emotional impact on the game.
“It’s not about that — it’s about these guys playing. So, it’s not about me,” Williams said.
“He won a Super Bowl down there, and I’m sure he’s got a lot of friends, but, no, he’s focused on what we’re doing,” Fisher said.
znModeratorINJURY REPORT
Los Angeles has two players with an injury status for Sunday’s game. Center Tim Barnes (foot) has been listed as questionable, though Fisher said Friday he expects Barnes to play. Though Barnes did not practice last week, he started and played every offensive snap for the Rams against Miami. The situation should be much the same at New Orleans.
“He’s smart enough and has enough snaps under his belt where you can trust him to go out and play,” Fisher said of Barnes.
One clear challenge of Barnes not practicing is that there is a new quarterback behind him in Goff. But there were no clear center-quarterback-exchange issues during Sunday’s contest against Miami, in part because the two are spending plenty of time together off the field. While Barnes has been at every practice and watched every snap, the center has also been watching a lot of film with Goff, according to Fisher.
“They get the mental reps even though Timmy isn’t getting any [physical reps],” Fisher said.
Running back Todd Gurley did not participate in Friday’s session due to an illness, but should play on Sunday.
“Todd stayed inside — we asked him to stay inside today with an illness. It’s just one of those things that’s kind of going through the team, and it’s taking its turn and he was a recipient last night, this morning,” Fisher said. “But he’ll be fine. We expect him to be fine.”
Also on the injury report, defensive end Ethan Westbrooks (thigh) participated in full on Friday and is listed as questionable.
Defensive end William Hayes was excused from practice on Wednesday to attend to a family matter. He returned on Friday, practicing in full and is expected to play.
znModeratorWe’ve seen Fisher offenses for five years. We may not have seen it at its full potential, but we’ve seen it.
This is a special kind of ineptnessNo I don’t think we have. Like all offenses it needs a qb to be good.
I think your impression of “ineptness” is just an effect of them not having a starting caliber qb for much of the time. That’s said with all due respect, but it is genuinely how I see it.
If you count Goff’s 1 game, and Foles’s 1st 4 games before he melted down, and Bradford’s total starts, the Fisher Rams have fielded a starting caliber qb in 37.8% of their games.
In fact if Goff works out, and I believe he will, I bet it will be far different.
If Goff does not work out, it will not matter that much who the head coach is.
In fact I have a formula. If you say “Coach ABC is good,” I can then ask “how many qbs started for him in his tenure.” My bet is, with rare exceptions, any coach who makes the “good” list will have a small number of names at qb.
Since 2012, now counting Goff, Rams have started 7 qbs. My other related bet is, if you find any other coach with that many qbs in an equivalent period of time, they won’t have a great record. No matter who they are.
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znModeratorFisher picked this OLine. Fisher picked this RB. Fisher picked these WRs and TE’s and Tavon. Fisher picked this O-Co-ordinator. Fisher picked Keenum. Everyone is Healthy.
And of course…ALL of that looks better with a genuine starting caliber qb. All of it, every bit.
Right?
I mean that’s true with most teams, why wouldn’t it be with the Rams?
So I submit again that we have not seen the Fisher offense.
Like all offenses it needs a qb. And, one game is not enough yet to write Goff off when it comes to that.
Now of course I am putting pressure on your reasons, but you don’t need your reasons. You can just say I don’t care I don’t like Fisher anyway. In the meanwhile, I am not done because I am waiting for the qb.
If they have a new guy next year, he’s not going to replace the OL, Gurley, or even most of the WRs. If he wins it will be because Goff works out. If he doesn’t it’s because Goff doesn’t. Same with Fisher.
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znModeratorThat statement from Arians came after AZ beat STL on a Thurs night game, for their 11th win of 2014. They did so without Carson Palmer
In seasons where Palmer averages a 90+ qb rating, Arians (counting only Palmer’s games) has gone 19-3 (86.3%).
In seasons where Palmer’s average qb rating is below that, Arians has gone 13-11-1.
Without Palmer, Arians has gone 6-5.
With both a sub-par Palmer and other qbs besides Palmer, Arians has gone 19-16-1 (54%).
Turns out that just like Fisher, Arians needs a starting caliber qb. Difference is, he had one 81.0% of the time. The Fisher Rams had one (not counting the melted down Foles) 37.8% of the time.
So what Arians should have said, IMO, is “ha ha we have better luck keeping a starting qb than you do.” Cause anything else he might have said just simply follows from that.
November 25, 2016 at 10:35 pm in reply to: Jill Stein raising money for vote recount in swing states #59480znModeratori dated a woman once who was in charge of elections in a wv county. And i could tell you stories…
Well tell us A story anyway.
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znModeratorGregg Williams’ ties to the Saints will forever include Super Bowl glory, Bountygate hell
The conflicting case of Gregg Williams.
Super Bowl heaven. Bounty scandal hell.
There will forever be two sides to Williams’ career with the New Orleans Saints. There will be an ultimate high and a crushing low inside the Saints history book involving the former defensive coordinator.
Williams will coach against the Saints for the first time in a regular-season game since leaving the Saints after the 2011 season when the Saints host the Los Angeles Rams on Sunday. It will be the first time he coaches in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome since being one of the central figures in the bounty scandal of 2012.
Will watching Williams on the Rams sideline coaching against the Saints on Sunday bring back memories of Super Bowl XLIV glory? Or will the presence of the fiery former Saints assistant coach rip open the wound of the scandal?
I would assume the latter would apply to those who blamed Williams for helping the NFL make its case. Sean Payton, who was exiled from the Saints for about nine months because of the scandal, spoke about Williams in as polite of terms as he could earlier this week.
“Number one, I think he’s a real good defensive coordinator. … He’s done a great job and is doing a great job in L.A. right now,” Payton said. “When you win Super Bowls those are important things, and obviously he was a big part of that with our program and our team. He’s trying, I’m sure, to do that in L.A. I think he’s a good football coach.”
Williams, who was barred from the NFL for 18 months because of the scandal, told the Rams media Friday that he won’t have any bittersweet memories coming back to New Orleans with the Rams and isn’t concerned with how he’ll be received Sunday.
“It’s not about that, it’s about these guys playing,” Williams said. “These guys are down there, they’re ready to play. So it’s not about me.”
I still imagine the mention of Williams’ name can make Payton seethe at times. Williams pointed the finger at Payton to blame for the alleged bounty program. Payton and Joe Vitt (suspended for six games in 2012) pointed back to Williams. The NFL penalized all three regardless.
The animosity toward Williams seemingly began from the Saints brass long before the NFL paraded their claims out to the public in early 2012.
From the way Vitt described it, the Saints began creating an exit plan for Williams starting during the 2011 NFL Draft.
They convinced themselves Williams was tipping selections to my colleague Jeff Duncan. (Jeff vehemently denied this claim publicly after NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune acquired Vitt’s testimony in the bounty hearings a week before Super Bowl XLVII.)
The powers that be on Airline Drive already wanted Williams out well before Williams left for the Rams/the Saints fired him after the 2011 season. “Gregg Williams was fired. He had to crawl on his stomach to keep his job with the New Orleans Saints,” Vitt said during the bounty hearings in November 2012.
Vitt called Williams a liar during testimony and ripped Williams repeatedly. The hearings were UGLY. The gloves came off. So I assume the damage done among those staffers involved will be forever irreparable.
As for the players it affected directly (Jonathan Vilma, Will Smith, Anthony Hargrove, Scott Fujita) or indirectly (those on the 2012 Saints squad not called out by the NFL), some of their venom toward Williams has faded.
“I think when the whole thing went down, it was tough emotionally because there was a tug of war with knowing the great things Gregg helped us accomplish as well as the whole Bountygate thing that was getting blown out of proportion at the time,” former Saints linebacker Scott Shanle said. “I think as the years go by, even the guys directly involved with that whole thing, guys who served suspensions, the players and just talking with them, their appreciation for what Gregg helped us do outweighs any of the bad stuff that happened throughout that scandal.”
Even for someone like Vilma?
“Yeah, especially Vilma,” Shanle said. “He was directly tied into everything and involved heavily. I know there was probably a period there where he resented Gregg a little bit in what went on. But as the years go by, there’s no doubt that Vilma understands everything that Gregg brought to us.
“The amount of wins we were able to obtain from ’09 to 2011, we can all say it probably wouldn’t have been there defensively for us without Gregg Williams leading us with the mindset he brought to the room every day.”
Drew Brees held back no punches during the 2012 season and especially when former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue vacated the suspensions of the four accused players. Brees described Williams and former staffer Mike Cerullo as “two disgruntled employees who were fired here because they did not fit the mold of what we were about.” Brees also openly questioned their mental states.
Four years later, Brees can separate Williams the defensive guru to aid in the Saints winning the Super Bowl from the Williams that so many within the Saints organization blamed for the scandal.
“I’ve chosen to focus on the positive,” Brees said. “That was he was here as our defensive coordinator for three years, all three were playoff years and we won a lot of games in that stretch of time. Obviously he was a big part of that. I felt like he did a great job on defense in that stretch. It’s unfortunate that things went the way that they did, but I’ve chosen to focus on the positive. I know what type of defensive coach that he is. He’s had a lot of success wherever he’s been. I have a lot of respect for that.”
Brees admitted, though, it’s probably easier for him to diffuse his anger toward Williams than those parties fully engulfed by the scandal.
“There were those who were affected a lot more harshly by his actions than others,” Brees said. “I guess I’m affected indirectly because those are all of my coaches, my teammates. That’s probably the part that bothers me the most at the time. And now it’s just that as that was going on, it seemed like the blame was trying to be shifted off him and to the players and the guys that he coached. These (the players) are all great individuals.”
Safety Roman Harper without hesitation gushed over the amount of respect he still holds for Williams. Honestly, it kind of surprised me.
“It’s all life lessons I guess,” Harper said. “I look back on it and I don’t think we were as bad as everyone made us out to be. I loved playing for the guys and he’s someone I’ll look up to for the rest of my life in just helping me become the person I am in my career and having faith in me when a lot of people didn’t.
“For that right there, I’m always thankful and he’ll always be a good friend of mine.”
Shanle hasn’t been shy about how much Williams meant to his career, but he knows the bounty elephant will forever be in the room for some. I can’t say I blame those holding the eternal grudge.
“I think deep down everybody appreciates everybody who had a part in what we accomplished in those three years,” Shanle said. “I think it’s still definitely hard for them to get over it. I wasn’t as heavily involved with the courtroom and all the stuff those guys went through and had to go against each other.
“For me when I look back, it’s tough because I want to have everybody show up at a reunion and get along and celebrate together. I don’t know if that will ever happen, and that’s a shame.”
Ultimately, it’s nearly impossible to separate Williams as a major factor in the Saints winning the Super Bowl. It’s also nearly impossible to separate Williams as a major factor for the bounty scandal.
znModeratorI agree with every single word of that.
Btw, i watched some of Sam on TurkeyDay. He was throwing short every play i watched him. Just zipping quick teeny tiny little passes. Just like during his rookie year. Dinkin and Dunkin. Thats all i saw.
Didnt look like they were asking very much of him.w
vThat’s their OL. It’s Rams before 2016 level injured. In fact, the story is, that’s why Norv left. He still wanted his downfield game, but their OL cannot handle that.
Bradford goes to a team that has Adrian Peterson. Next, they lose Peterson and the OL falls apart to the point where they were starting Jake Long. He has Norv Turner but Norv quits because they want him to back down on his down-the-field offense.
So here’s one thing I hope Goff has better than Bradford—luck.
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znModeratorBut wv ram is sick of it. I’ve ‘seen’ enough.
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vBut if I haven’t seen the offense because of all the conditions I named, where or when have you seen it?
See I don’t think we’re really discussing the offense. I think we’re discussing what they had to put on the field because of a long list of various factors. And that;s not the offense…it’s what they have been forced to get by with in the meanwhile.
My bet is that when we actually see the offense, you;ll like it too.
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znModeratorI am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense.
I’m not. My thing is not that the Fisher offense, in itself, isn’t good. My thing is, we actually haven’t SEEN the offense.
If it’s not one thing it’s another. Bradford gets hurt, Foles collapses, Keenum would have been fine with a running game but there is no running game this year, and Goff is just starting.
The times we actually HAVE seen the offense, I’ve liked it.
znModeratorThis is a statue located in Berlin, entitled “Politicians Discussing Global Warming.”
znModeratorOf course now I’m craving a banana cream pie.
znModeratorCoconut Creme!
I had coconut creme! …it’s the 10th one down. But that’s okay now we have 2.
Aw you’re right. I copied the wrong one. I guess that one is Lemon Meringue? That 10th one down looks much much tastier, as in Coconut Creme tasty!
Hey that was a double double misread.
You thought the lemon was coconut and you were glad about the coconut.
I thought you were saying I left coconut out and were adding one to the trove, but then that means I didn’t see it was lemon.
That’s just confusing enough to win us a Nobel prize in physics.
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znModeratordo we make anything of donald and gurley supposedly ducking interviews?
my opinion. he’s losing this team.
Me? No and no. I don’t agree he’s losing the team; I don’t agree that those 2 players doing that means he’s losing the team.
We know what losing a team looks like cause we saw it with Linehan. Just IMO but, I don’t see anything like the Linehan situation.
Maybe though the team has lost Fisher.
znModeratorCoconut Creme!
I had coconut creme! …it’s the 10th one down. But that’s okay now we have 2.
znModeratorSo what they offer is a single sterile, innocuous version of the truth that won’t offend anyone on the board.
Yeah, like…Shaw ordered DV to hire Martz.
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