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    Here’s Goff after 2 pre-season games:

    19 of 24 (79%), 194 yards, 8.08 YPA, 1 TD (4.167%), 0 INT (0%), 1 sck (4.167%), qb rating of 114.236

    That;s not a real accomplishment but it does bode well.


    Goff Sharp in Second 2017 Preseason Appearance

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Goff-Sharp-in-Second-2017-Preseason-Appearance/2e7010b3-a4b1-4e03-b494-de27dc752839

    OAKLAND — Quarterback Jared Goff had an up-and-down start to the week in practice. But any issues looked far behind him on Saturday night, as the second-year signal-caller finished a sharp 16-of-20 passing for 160 yards and a touchdown.

    Originally slated to play just over a quarter — or 20-25 snaps — Goff ended up with about 37, according to head coach Sean McVay, and played essentially the entire first half. In that time, Goff completed passes to seven different receivers, leading the offense to three scoring drives — including a pair of eight-play possessions that ended in touchdowns.

    “I thought Jared did a great job making good decisions, got a lot of people involved,” McVay said postgame. “And I thought just from having eight snaps in Week 1 and then coming in tonight and having 37 — we always talk about that daily improvement and he definitely got better this week.”

    “I felt good,” Goff said. “I think we started the way we wanted to start. I think we were aggressive offensively.”

    Part of what made Goff so effective was the way the offense was able to avoid negative plays. The Rams faced only three third downs of longer than five yards when Goff was in the game, which is why the club ended the first two quarters six-of-eight in third-down efficiency.

    “It’s huge — huge for any offense, especially for us when we’re able to stay in front of the sticks, stay in 3rd-and-manageable,” Goff said. “It’s a game changer. You don’t like to be in 3rd-and-12. You don’t want to be in even 2nd-and-12, you want to stay ahead of the sticks. And I think we did a good job of that tonight. And ultimately, that’ll help us move the ball and score points.”

    The time of possession numbers also illustrate how the Rams were able to get in a rhythm in the first half. L.A. doubled up Oakland, maintaining possession for 20:01 to the Raiders’ 9:59.

    “I think we have to get a few plays to get us into a rhythm,” Goff said. “But once we do, once we move the ball, you get a couple first downs, you start getting that little feel, you start getting into a rhythm. And I think you can definitely feel it — certainly toward the end of that second drive, we felt like we had a pretty good tempo going. And we were able to move the ball on almost every down.”

    Goff was sacked once — when 2016 Defensive Player of the Year Khalil Mack split a double team to make his way into the backfield — but was kept upright for the rest of the first half, as no other Raider had a quarterback hit. The quarterback showed solid pocket awareness, stepping up when he needed to. But the five men up front did well, too.

    “I thought the O-line did a great job of creating that pocket, especially with guys like Bruce Irvin and Khalil Mack on the edge there,” Goff said. “Running them up behind me and giving me a pocket to sit in was really, really good tonight.”

    And so though Goff had a rocky start to the week, McVay seemed pleased with how the quarterback kept working and was able to effectively command the offense on Saturday.

    “My experience with Jared to this point has shown me that he’s nothing but a mentally tough guy that has great resilience and the ability to respond when things don’t work out,” McVay said. “And I think he’s able to take it for what it is and learn from it, and try to avoid those moving forward. But I think it’s also our job as coaches to try to put him in situations that are conducive for making good decisions consistently.”

    “I thought he did an excellent job getting in and out of the huddle, managing it,” McVay added. “It was a good atmosphere tonight, where you’re having to use your silent cadence and do some different things. So there were some different elements that — very pleased with the way with he led the offense. And we were able to come away with some points and that’s always the goal.”

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    “Goff didn’t show enough fire. He clearly isn’t able to lead the team. He just got lucky that this OL and WRs bailed him out tonight against a Raiders defense that wasn’t trying.”
    -Bernie Miklasz

    Did Bernie really say that?

    His last remaining ember of credibility just went out.

    Well I lazily assumed he did. Turns out the poster just made it up, though now that I see that, it was made up as a joke, not as an effort to deceive.

    I am going to edit that bit out of that post.

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    1. Is there an existential threat to the participants if they don’t act? As in, if they do nothing, what are the consequences?

    I would say that this is interesting discussion. I have hesitations with your #1 though. The issue is not always just threat. Often real conspiracies are based on gain, not threat, real or imagined. So for example CEO Bernard Ebbers who was convicted of using fraudulent accounting to deceive investors about the economic standing of Worldcom. It’s a conspiracy because he could not do that himself–it was a group effort. He wasn’t under threat because of protections for companies like that (golden parachutes, bankruptcy laws)…it was just greed.

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    We’re gonna win 10+ games this year. I said I wouldn’t go full homer until I saw this team in the preseason, but I am loving everything I’m seeing. Defense will be just fine. We barely had any of our impact players on the field today. The offense looks like a completely different unit with McVay, the off-season additions, and Watkins.

    The blocking was there tonight. Although, the backups were in at LT, LG, and C on Goff’s last drive.

    Goff was moving nicely in the pocket too today. We also got away with at least a couple blatant holds. The offense was money. Scored on 3 of the 4 drives with the starters (17 points). Perfect throw by Goff to Watkins. Smith pinned his arm or else that’s a TD.

    Gurley showed exactly what I asked to see. He ran with purpose and power.

    Kupp was roasting a veteran CB. But I don’t blame Millen for explaining what the CB was doing wrong. That all said, if the CB had been doing things right, I’m sure Kupp would have exploited him in some other way. If he went inside, Kupp would have gone out. If he went outside, Kupp would have went inside. Kupp was such a production machine in college. If everything goes right (our key players stay healthy and the offense looks good), I could see him doing more than even our optimistic expectations. Kupp will contribute to this team and be a valuable role player. We’re going to use him out of the slot to move the chains and drive defenses crazy on third down.

    Mike Thomas caught a fourth down pass, broke free up the middle of the defense, spun off a tackle, and then got hit helmet-to-helmet as he was going down. He had a nice game prior to the big hit. But he has plenty of time to recover.

    Reynolds was far more talented than any of the scrubs on the field for Oakland.

    Cooper is a tough son of a bitch.

    Everett is so damn good after the catch. I just wish we’d get Everett up the seam. I would love to see his deep speed on display.

    Cory Harkey is going to be tough to cut.

    I love the way Whitworth plays. He’s always looking to finish the play. Havenstein was getting blown off the ball all night in the run game. But our pass protection was good.

    We gotta hope for some injury luck on the OL this year or that Kromer is a miracle man. And we gotta hope that Sammy Watkins stays healthy.

    I doubt we’ll see Austin as a third down HB because you need for your QB to be able to audible and have the third down HB pick up the blitzing LB or DB. Allow the other playmakers to open things up for Austin. He’s still a stud with the ball in his hands.

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    Any Injuries?

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    Possibly Mike Thomas, who was playing well till hurt.

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    The truth behind most of the Confederate monuments being torn down tells an even larger story than you’d realize

    That’s a good one WV. I like that one. Context, history.

    A quick note: when posting a twitter URL, you don’t add “link.” If you don’t, the tweet itself appears in the post.

    It;s the difference between this:

    link:https://twitter.com/mic/status/898941499550736384

    And this:

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    Here’s Goff after 2 pre-season games:

    19 of 24 (79%), 194 yards, 8.08 YPA, 1 TD (4.167%), 0 INT (0%), 1 sck (4.167%), qb rating of 114.236

    That;s not a real accomplishment but it does bode well.

    To give some perspective, if those were his 2016 season numbers, here’s how he would rank against other qbs:

    Completion percentage: 1st
    Yards per game: 1st
    YPA: 4th
    TD percentage: 16th
    INT percentage: 1st
    SCK percentage: 7th
    QB rating: 2nd

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    When i used the term “corporotacracy” though, i am not thinking of a simplistic, black and white, static, model of the situation. Its much more like a corporate-kaleidoscope. Er somethin. I do think there is enough of a ‘fluid form’ to go ahead and use a term like corporotacracy, conceding that its just a word. A label. The map is not the territory. The menu is not the meal.

    Okay fair enough.

    On conspiracies. If you just mean that all the time groups of people unite and try to accomplish something as a group, sure. Whether or not they accomplish anything depends on whether or not (to sound circular) they CAN. So for example there was only a handful of Cuban revolutionaries but their time was right. Same can’t be said for all revolutionaries in history, like the assassins of Julius Ceaser, who lost. But that’s not the basis of conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory says that large groups of people in positions of power manipulate the entire system at a level of cooperation and collusion that is, when you look at it, impossible. So for example could the Bush government get away with planning a massive attack on its own infrastructure without someone figuring it out? Do all scientists from related fields throughout the world agree to lie about climate change because they have a secret agenda? I think the word changes when you go from “conspiracies” to “conspiracy theory.” We know for example that the small group of Capone gangsters conspired to take out their rivals in Moran’s north side gang, and that was the Valentine’s Day Massacre. But a “conspiracy theory” would say something like this–the Capone gang conspired with the entire government to take advantage of the temperance movement to push prohibition so they could profit from illegal liquor sales. In other words, the term “conspiracy theory” does not literally refer to theories about conspiracies, with the word “conspiracy” here having its ordinary meaning (groups agree to do something.) It’s actually a pejorative used to label ideas of social manipulation at a massive level that goes beyond ordinary criminal action by an actual tight-knit group. So for example, flat earthers genuinely say that scientists–basically, all of them–conspire with NASA to deny the flat earth reality because they profit from the lie.

    I actually think Dulles arranged Kennedy’s death. I can’t prove it but if it were true that would have been a conspiracy.

    I don’t believe that every scientist in the world cooperates in maintaining a massive lie about the climate. That’s conspiracy theory. The actions of conspiracy theories require a level of cooperation that is telepathic. Otherwise why would a Japanese scientist who works on atmosphere physics know how to lie in harmonious concert with a Swedish meteorologist.

    So on that we’re not quite saying the same things.

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    Rams’ first-team offense shines in comeback win over Raiders

    By Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/34891/rams-first-team-offense-shines-in-comeback-win-over-raiders

    Trailing by 4 points with a little more than six minutes left in the game, backup quarterback Sean Mannion methodically marched the Los Angeles Rams up the field and connected with rookie Josh Reynolds for the decisive touchdown in a 24-21 preseason win on the road over the Oakland Raiders on Saturday night.

    Mannion connected with Mike Thomas on a quick slant to keep the drive alive while facing fourth and 9 from the Raiders’ 37-yard line. On the next play, he sailed a 20-yard pass up the sideline to Reynolds, the long, athletic fourth-round pick, who beat out fellow rookie Chris Humes for the football with just over a minute remaining. The Rams’ offense looked good late, but was even more impressive early on.

    Here are some notes on what stood out.

    QB depth chart: Jared Goff put together what was quite possibly the most encouraging performance of his short NFL career. He finished 16-of-20 for 160 yards and a touchdown, with several impressive throws throughout the night. Goff led the Rams to two touchdowns and a field goal before exiting. His only real mistake was waiting too long to deliver a deep ball to an open Robert Woods, instead absorbing a sack from Khalil Mack. Besides that, Goff was exceedingly accurate and decisive. Mannion had another good day in relief of Goff, going 15-of-22 for 132 yards and a touchdown. That follows last week’s strong performance against the Cowboys, when Mannion was 18-of-25 for 144 yards.

    When it was starters vs. starters, the Rams looked …: Like a well-oiled machine on offense. When’s the last time you read that? They went 6-for-8 on third down, picked up 12 first downs and consistently marched the ball up the field. Cooper Kupp made six catches (on seven targets) for 70 yards and a touchdown, and was wide open for a 23-yard catch on play-action to start the game. Todd Gurley, meanwhile, ran violently, with eight carries for 38 yards and a touchdown, on a 2-yard run up the middle. The Rams’ defense — which was without key players like Robert Quinn, Mark Barron, Kayvon Webster and Nickell Robey-Coleman — was shaky, allowing a couple of touchdowns to Oakland’s Derek Carr-led offense.

    One reason to be concerned: Splitting hairs here. The Rams’ secondary got off to a rough start, though Webster, Robey-Coleman and Mike Jordan were all held out. On the Raiders’ first touchdown drive, Lamarcus Joyner committed two personal fouls in a span of four plays. On the Raiders’ second touchdown drive, Amari Cooper made a leaping catch despite triple coverage, and Michael Crabtree juked Troy Hill for a touchdown. The Rams did, however, get an interception from their primary corner, Trumaine Johnson, who had only one interception in 14 regular-season games last year.

    That guy could start: Justin Davis won’t unseat Gurley as the featured running back, but the undrafted rookie is making a legitimate case to crack the roster, which is impressive in itself. Davis fumbled twice in the preseason opener, but he also gained 70 yards on nine carries. Davis picked up only 8 yards on five carries against the Raiders, but he gained another 20 on three catches and once again looked shifty with the ball in his hands. A knee injury has kept Lance Dunbar from practicing. And though Malcolm Brown has been used as Gurley’s backup, Davis may be forcing his way into the conversation.

    Rookie watch: Kupp had another great showing. His best catch came on a quick slant, on which he was well-covered for a throw that sailed low and away. It was his third third-down reception, perhaps a sign of things to come. Tight end Gerald Everett made four catches for 30 yards, with one of those resulting in a 24-yard gain thanks to a nice cutback in space. Defensive lineman Tanzel Smart, who has impressed this summer, did a nice job of bringing down E.J. Manuel after he tried to escape the pocket. And Casey Sayles clinched the win with a sack.

    Watkins watch: New receiver Sammy Watkins made his Rams debut, wearing No. 2, his number from Clemson, which he will have to change for the regular season. Watkins caught a 5-yard pass to convert on third down and also gained 3 yards on a screen. Watkins then ran a fly route in hopes of connecting with Goff downfield, but a well-placed throw near the end zone was broken up.

    Injury report: Thomas absorbed a helmet-to-helmet hit by Anthony Cioffi while hauling in Mannion’s fourth-down throw near the middle of the field with about two minutes remaining. Thomas was checked on by Rams trainers and walked off on his own power. Backup outside linebacker Carlos Thompson had to be carted off the field after sustaining what appeared to be a significant injury to the lower part of his left leg. Raiders rookie offensive lineman Kareem Are launched himself toward the pile near the midway point of the fourth quarter, but instead caught Thompson’s knee.

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    Every Kupp Reception Against the Raiders

    Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp had a productive performance as he notched 6 catches and a TD against the Raiders in Week 2 of the preseason.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Every-Kupp-Reception-Against-the-Raiders/342f8c74-5bca-4de8-bbf2-1584fe76b2f7

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    Every Gurley Touch Against Raiders

    Rams running back Todd Gurley had a solid outing against the Raiders in Week 2 of the preseason.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Every_Gurley_Touch_Against_Raiders/3969f466-0e03-45a0-8832-1e7cb866aadf

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    Mannion Throws 20-Yard Strike to Reynolds

    Rams quarterback Sean Mannion throws 20-yard strike to wide receiver Josh Reynolds for the go-ahead score.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Mannion-Throws-20-Yard-Strike-to-Reynolds/f0ea4113-cd8d-414b-8697-25a58ab70b91

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    Gurley With a Strong 12-Yard Run

    Rams running back Todd Gurley scampers for a nice 12-yard run.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Gurley-With-a-Strong-12-Yard-Run/348e4033-3495-46fc-892d-c058e6e12355

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    Everett Makes Nice 24-Yard Reception

    Rams QB Jared Goff finds rookie tight end Gerald Everett for a 24-yard pass play

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Everett-Makes-Nice-24-Yard-Reception/7816078c-b681-4aa0-994b-dc9832684e4b

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    Goff Tosses 23-Yard Touchdown to Kupp

    Rams quarterback Jared Goff throws 23-yard touchdown pass to Cooper Kupp.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Goff-Tosses-23-Yard-Touchdown-to-Kupp/4f0553fa-842d-45d2-9d5f-e7d11949aa86

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    Five Takeaways: Preseason At Raiders

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-fivetakeaways/Five-Takeaways-Preseason-At-Raiders/c42be0a3-f902-479f-bb7e-058288414587

    OAKLAND — The Rams’ first-team offense had an impressive showing against the Raiders, finishing the first half with a 17-14 lead. Los Angeles ended up winning the contest 24-21, but as we know there’s plenty more to preseason play than the final score. Here are five takeaways from the Rams’ second exhibition matchup.

    1) Goff looks sharp

    After a solid start to the preseason last week against Dallas, quarterback Jared Goff looked downright sharp against the Raiders on Saturday, completing passes to seven different receivers. The second-year quarterback finished 16-of-20 passing for 160 yards with a touchdown, playing all but one drive of the first half.

    Goff led the Rams down the field for a touchdown on the game’s opening drive, taking only eight plays to reach paydirt. Following a Los Angeles takeaway, Goff again orchestrated an eight-play drive to bring the Rams another TD.

    It was Los Angeles’ second touchdown of the first quarter, and second of their first three drives. In all, Goff engineered three scoring drives — the third of which was a field goal. That came after the Rams had taken left tackle Andrew Whitworth, left guard Rodger Saffold, and center John Sullivan out of the game.

    “We just came out here and executed how we’re coached to execute,” Sullivan said at halftime. “We spent a little bit more time game planning this week, not like a full week, but we knew what to expect. We know our assignments. We came out here and executed as an offense and that’s how you end up with two touchdown drives in your first three.”

    2) Goff to Kupp connection is strong

    We’ve heard plenty about how rookie wide receiver Cooper Kupp could have a monster first season. It looked like that could be the case in the first half, as Goff hit the Eastern Washington product six times for 70 yards and a touchdown.

    The longest completion was Kupp’s touchdown. Goff faked a handoff to running back Todd Gurley, the rolled out and found a wide open Kupp in the end zone for a 23-yard score.

    Three of Kupp’s six receptions came on third down and resulted in first downs, which is a significant part of the reason why L.A. finished 6-of-8 in third-down efficiency in the first half.

    3) Watkins plays during first half

    Rams head coach Sean McVay said he expected new wide receiver Sammy Watkins to play with the first-team

    offense, and that he did. Watkins finished with a pair of receptions for eight yards. Watkins’ first reception was a short pass on 3rd-and-2 for five yards, resulting in a first down. And his second came a play later — a screen pass that went for three yards.

    One pass Goff and Watkins didn’t connect on was a one-on-one opportunity for Watkins. The wideout ran a go route and Goff threw a nice pass to the left side, but Watkins couldn’t corral it in the end zone.

    But just Watkins’ presence may have had an impact early. On Kupp’s touchdown reception, Watkins was running a route underneath and looked like he drew more attention from the defense. That left Kupp wide open for the touchdown.

    4) Johnson gets a pick

    Cornerback Trumaine Johnson had a solid camp at UC Irvine and that translated to the field on Saturday.

    In the first quarter, Oakland faced 3rd-and-6 for their own 34-yard line. Outside linebacker Connor Barwinpressured Raiders quarterback Derek Carr, but the signal-caller was able to evade the rush in the pocket. But when he fired a pass off to his right, Johnson was there to catch it and make the interception.

    Johnson’s nine-yard return set the offense up at the Oakland 41. And the Rams took advantage of the field position, as Gurley ran in a two-yard touchdown to cap the drive.

    5) Ball security significantly better

    Last week, the Rams struggled with ball security, fumbling five times. That became a point of emphasis during the practice week, as the club’s offense started each session with a ball security circuit.

    The extra work paid off, as Los Angeles did not fumble at all in the first half and surrendered no giveaways.

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    Vincent Bonsignore‏ @DailyNewsVinny
    Yes, it’s just the preseason, but an offseason of coaching/personnel changes and the improvement of Jared Goff pretty apparent tonight

    The one thing you really get from #Rams players about Cooper Kupp: Very mature, poised and prepared. Not very rookie like, at all.

    Joe Curley‏ @vcsjoecurley
    “Jared has shown me that he’s nothing but a mentally tough guy that has great resilience.” – McVay

    “He definitely got better this week… Very pleased with the way that he led the offense.” – McVay on Goff’s performance

    Sam Farmer‏@LATimesfarmer
    Seems like sometime, somewhere, Sean Mannion will get a chance in the regular season.

    Alden Gonzalez: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0690790195695458430-4

    About as encouraging an offensive first half as the Rams can have. Jared Goff (14-of-17, 145, 1 TD), Todd Gurley (8 carries, 38 yards, 1 TD) and Cooper Kupp (5 catches, 67 yards, 1 TD on 6 targets) all looked good. Rams were 6-for-8 on third down and picked up 12 first downs. They lead the Raiders, 17-14.

    Sean Mannion marched the Rams 80 yards up the field for the game-winning drive in a 24-21 win over the Raiders. Mannion converted on 4th and 9 with a dart to Mike Thomas, who absorbed a helmet-to-helmet hit from a Raiders DB. Mannion then sailed a 20-yard pass up the sideline to Josh Reynolds, their long, athletic fourth-round pick, who battled for the football and won. Very good day all around for the Rams, now 2-0 for the preseason.

    Alden Gonzalez@Alden_Gonzalez
    Thomas-Reynolds-Cooper is a nice second-string look at receiver.

    No update by COO Kevin Demoff on Aaron Donald. To CBSLA, while in the broadcast booth: “He’s a great player; he deserves a great contract.”

    Justin Davis is going to force his way into this roster, isn’t he.

    Rich Hammond‏ @Rich_Hammond
    Sean McVay, undefeated.

    Justin Davis, with some run/catch action, seems to be showing he can fill the role the Rams once hoped Lance Dunbar could.

    Ryan Kartje@Ryan_Kartje
    One guy who I’ve consistently noticed during #Rams camp/preseason: Tanzel Smart. Very disruptive for a rookie defensive tackle.

    He’s probably going to come on slowly this year — rookie TE, and all — but Everett has a chance to be a good one

    This is easily the most comfortable Jared Goff has looked in a #Rams uniform.

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    Dani Klupenger‏@daniklup
    Great hustle play by Kevin Peterson. W/ Gaines gone, there’s an opportunity here for corners. KP has had a great camp, coaches have noticed

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    J.B. Long‏@JB_Long
    Felt like it counted, didn’t it?

    Jared Goff uses 7 different targets in the passing game, goes 16/20 for 160 and a TD while leading 3 first half scoring drives. #Rams

    Lindsey Thiry‏ @LindseyThiry
    Standing on the sideline at the Oakland Coliseum and just looked at several colleagues to confirm, that was weed we smelled.

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    They might have the game on radio. Right now they have a pregame show.

    Man. These guys talk about Goff as if he were Kyle Boller. Or Keith Null. Hyperbole, all of it. (And that’s not me being hyperbolic ).

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    What is it with Quinn? The back issue?

    If that’s going to be a steady problem I’m not sure how much longer he can play.

    On Quinn, no one will say.

    Notice they have 3 CBs out.

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    The question would be what specific laws are broken by what actions.

    And of course, the Russia/Trump thing is about more than just hacking the dems. It fact it was about more than just the election. There was all sorts of connections covering all sorts of things.

    But all gets down to, what laws if any were broken.

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    i do think there is a ‘they’ and I do think ‘they’ are fighting against Trump in some way. They loved Hillary and they dont like Trump. I suspect its not that they think he’s “nutz”. …I’m not sure he wants to spread the Empire as much as Hillary and that group.

    Personally? I don;t believe any of that. I certainly don;t believe there’s evidence for any of it.

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    . Will need to work on his 3-5 and 7-step drops to the throwing point from under center. Goff never played under center and the defense looks a whole lot different when dropping back and making your reads rather than seeing the field from a shotgun formation.

    This is the thing. Has to learn.

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    2016 Guide: What Ourlads’ NFL Scouting Services said about JARED GOFF:

    California, 6040 215 4.79. Junior entry. Three-year starter from Kentfield, CA. First-team All Pac-12. Plays in the quarterback friendly pitch and catch spread “Air Raid” offense. A drop back passer from the shotgun who has good arm strength and knows his way around the pocket. Throws the ball on time and on target with good accuracy over his career. The lanky underclassman helped revitalize the Golden Bear program that had fallen on hard times by starting 37 straight games after hitting the field as a true freshman. The two-time team captain will look the rush pressure in the eye and make the clutch pass. Reacts well to pressure. Knows where he wants to go with the ball and throws the receiver open with good accuracy and timing. Keeps his eyes down the field. No pause in the pocket. Good pocket presence and feel. Reads progressions. Keeps his feet hot and throws before the receiver breaks open. Does a good job of changing ball speed and trajectory over the top of defenders. Good ball placement. The receiver doesn’t have to wait on the ball and is hit in stride to give him a chance to run after the catch. A quick snap wrist release with velocity. Steps, throws, and completes passes through small windows in tight areas. At his best when the protection is solid and he can step toward his target and throw. Majors in carving up a defense with short ball control passes from 6-10 yards. Spreads the ball around to multiple receivers who rotate into the huddle in a variety of sub packages. Can make the key throws rolling to his left. Will need to work on his 3-5 and 7-step drops to the throwing point from under center. Goff never played under center and the defense looks a whole lot different when dropping back and making your reads rather than seeing the field from a shotgun formation. The angular passer set 26 Cal records including career marks for passing yards (12,220), passing yards per game (329.7), and touchdown passes (96). He also set a pair of Pac-12 single season records in his final year at Cal when he passed for 4719 yards and 43 scores. An eventual starter with the talent to contribute early in his career. As an added bonus, Goff as a pooch punter is a major weapon. 2015 stats: 341/529, 4719 yds, 64.5%, 43 TD, 13 INT, 161.3 QB rating. Ball velocity 58 mph. OSR:16/18. First round. (A-32 3/4, H-9, SS-4.47, VJ-27).

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    I honestly can’t think of any instance in American history where it was necessary.

    Well they faked the moon landing to distact attention from the recognition that the world is actually flat.

    So it’s not like they’ve NEVER done that.

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    Zn trusts the ‘peer review’ system much more than i do. I cant tell how much of it has been tainted now by the Monsanto’s and mega-corpse.

    That taints the entire peer review process as a process? How?

    I don’t believe in conspiracy theory btw because I believe in ideological theory, which is its opposite.

    From the point of view of ideological theory, conspiracy theory is just an effort to reduce and simplify and come up with reductive answers.

    There’s a concept for example in ideological theory called “uneven developments.” In this view, you never look for a complete and unitary world—there’s different processes and stages at work, and you can have progressive threads mixed in with regressive ones in any kind of thing. So for example all the CEOs who resigned from Trump councils were appalled by his overt sympathy for confederate nostalgia. But you can bet those same people aren’t all good on gender at work, universal health care, citizens united, and foreign policy…though some of them may be good on some of those things.

    The point being, any sloganistic approach that reduces it all to a couple of simple black n white formulas are just in advance going to be insufficient. From my point of view, conspiracy theory does do that.

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    http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawk-left-tackle-george-fant-suffers-knee-injury/

    Second-year player Rees Odhiambo replaced Fant at left tackle for the rest of the first half.

    But the Seahawks could also look to veteran free agent Luke Joeckel to play left tackle as well. Joeckel has been playing left guard and stayed at that spot in the first half after Fant was injured.

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    Rees Odhiambo
    Draft: Seattle Seahawks in the 3rd round (97th overall) of the 2016 NFL Draft.

    ANALYSIS
    STRENGTHS Played tackle in college but will be considered at both tackle and guard and carries some two­-position value. Looks great on the hoof with muscle and thickness throughout his frame. Flexible hips and knees and should be able to drop his pad level as guard in the pros. Uses wide, well­-balanced base and possesses above-­average body control. Tough, technique­-driven approach. Uses feet to close distance with target rather than reaching, leaning and panicking. Able to maintain power when moving laterally. Has athleticism and body control to be effective pulling guard and zone scheme fit as right tackle or guard. Keeps eyes up and on his target at all times. Can mirror and punch with inside hands. Upper body strength and hip snap to turn opponent as base blocker. Has heavy hands and makes defenders feel it when he lands.
    WEAKNESSES Suffered a broken ankle that knocked him out for the season in late October. Has had to cope with injuries during his time at Boise. Never played a full season of football. Despite his physical talent, will let blocks get away from him that appear to be secured. Can be late with his hands. Not as tall or long as NFL teams are looking for from NFL tackles. Will need to prove he can play with faster hands if he bumps inside to guard. At times lingers with his punch opening him up to issues with crafty interior defenders. Would like to see him snatch and maintain his grasp rather than just punching and pushing. Despite his bend, doesn’t always generate the leverage he should at the point of attack.
    DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6 or 7
    SOURCES TELL US “Plays with a lot of grit and toughness. He’s deeply religious and a loyal teammate. I think he’s really talented and has a chance to be an outstanding guard in the league. If you try him at tackle it has to be on the right side. He’s had trouble staying healthy so his draft stock will be tied to his medicals.” ­– AFC North area scout
    NFL COMPARISON Ali Marpet
    BOTTOM LINE Well-built college tackle who NFL evaluators are projecting inside to guard. Has the footwork and technique to allow a team to give him a shot at right tackle first. Odhiambo is a coachable, team-oriented player who has the temperament, frame and strength needed to play inside, but NFL teams have serious concerns about his medicals right now. Odhiambo’s pro day produced disappointing athletic testing, which means he’s not where he needs to be and that will likely cost him in this draft.

    -Lance Zierlein: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/rees-odhiambo?id=2555142

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    Right side of Rams’ offensive line under a microscope Saturday against Raiders

    By VINCENT BONSIGNORE

    link: http://www.ocregister.com/2017/08/18/bonsignore-right-side-of-rams-offensive-line-under-a-microscope-saturday-against-raiders/

    OAKLAND – The Rams will push their starters into the second quarter Saturday against the Oakland Raiders. It’s the typical plan of attack the second week of the preseason, with NFL coaches extending clock time for starters as they chart their flight plan toward the regular season.

    The primary objective is creating a smooth landing for the regular-season opener, as players prepare both their bodies and minds for the grueling 16-game schedule.

    But there are underlying objectives that go along with preparation. Even for starters who will give way in the second quarter to backups looking to solidify jobs or simply survive to see another couple of weeks.

    It’s two players in count – they would be guard Jamon Brown and tackle Rob Havenstein – but in overall impact they seem so much larger in the grand scheme of things.

    The left side of the line was essentially locked down with the signing of All-Pro left tackle Andrew Whitworth. His presence meant Rodger Saffold could return to his more natural left guard position full time. And with the addition of veteran center John Sullivan, it meant the Rams offensive line from center to left tackle was set.

    The right side was another story, with the Rams first experimenting with moving right tackle Rob Havenstein to right guard and guard Jamon Brown to right tackle.

    Those changes happened in OTAs. But they lasted all of one week in training camp, at which point Havenstein returned to tackle and Brown went back to guard.

    Havenstein seems to have settled right back in in his new “old” position. He looks natural and comfortable and while not overly dominant, certainly capable and reliable.

    Brown, maybe not so much.

    He wasn’t particularly sharp against the Dallas Cowboys in Saturday’s preseason opener, and while it was an extraordinarily short stint of action it was noticeable. And it sent the Rams into this week in major evaluation mode.

    By Thursday, the right side of the offensive line still seemed a work in progress – as in changes could still happen – but Rams coach Sean McVay held hope the unit can solidify itself.

    “I think really everybody is a constant work in progress, because we always strive for that improvement,” McVay said. “I think with our line as a whole, just continuing to get those guys to feel comfortable. That continuity that we talk about, that’s so important. But, with the right side of the line, I feel good about Rob Havenstein at right tackle and Jamon Brown at right guard and that’s what we’re going to be right now and that’s what we anticipate moving forward.

    “I think those guys getting comfortable at those spots is the most important thing leading into (the regular-season opener) and that’s the lineup that we’ve got right now. I think they’ve done a good job kind of having played tackle and guard and then going back to it, it’s been good for us to evaluate and see that these are probably their most natural spots and that’s important for us as coaches to put these guys in the best situations for them to have success.”

    The entire line faces a huge test Saturday night against a fierce Raiders defense.

    But Brown, in particular, is under a microscope.

    If he handles the challenge, the Rams will breathe a little easier.

    If not.

    Well …

    “It’s big,” McVay said. “I think that experience, especially for younger players at any position, is extremely beneficial and that’s something that we don’t take lightly. We know we’re going to get an opportunity to go against a great front and great defense in the Oakland Raiders. They’ve got some premiere players on that side of the football that will pose a great challenge and it’s going to be a great evaluation tool for us.”

    So while your eyes will naturally follow Jared Goff and Sammy Watkins and all the Rams offensive skill position players.

    Keep an eye on the right side of the Rams offensive line against the Raiders.

    It’s pretty important.

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    When Vermiel was talking about the GSOT, I think he said, “they all can score.” Are we approaching that?

    I don;t think we’re getting that, no. I mean it’s better than anything we’ve seen since Holt retired, but still.

    Goff is 22. In 99, Warner was 28. He hadn’t played in the pros yet (well 1 game) but he did have some experience.

    SW could play for the GSOT IMO.

    Woods and Kupp (one based on his history one based on just projecting) are reliable and consistent chains movers.

    Austin as we know isn;t going to be an effective receiver all over the field, but there’s a lot he can do, the point being to get the ball in his hands in space. I think with Watkins and Woods on the field, there;s more space for him to operate in. Last year any time he touched the ball he was swarmed. I think they can work it out this time so he has more room to work with.

    The TEs I have no idea about. I believe in Everett longterm but he’s green, and Higbee I don’t even know if I believe in yet.

    Cooper, Reynolds, Thomas–I just have no clue. Way too young to know what they are yet.

    Gurley is a mystery. To me a lot of last year was him. Yeah the line wasn;t executing but it was still part him. And, I don;t know what went wrong, and therefore don’t know if I can trust if it has been fixed.

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    Rams still like Tavon Austin’s potential, despite injuries

    Michael David Smith

    Rams still like Tavon Austin’s potential, despite injuries

    Tavon Austin hasn’t become the kind of player the Rams thought he would be when they traded up to take him with the eighth overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft. But the Rams still think he can be that player.

    Rams General Manager Les Snead said on PFT Live that Austin’s wrist and hamstring injuries have been a setback in his ability to learn new coach Sean McVay’s offense, but that doesn’t mean they have lost confidence in him.

    “A freakish wrist injury that he actually did doing some clean and jerks during the offseason,” Snead said. “Can you imagine small Tavon doing cleans? Then he comes and has a small hamstring injury during camp.”

    Austin has made big plays at times: He has 12 career receiving touchdowns, eight career rushing touchdowns and three career punt return touchdowns. Now the Rams want to see him do it with more consistency.

    “We haven’t figured out how much he evolves as a receiver in this offense because he hasn’t had a chance to play,” Snead said. “Plan to see him used very similarly to how he’s been used in the past. By that I mean, he’s scored as a receiver, he’s scored as a running back, he’s scored as a returner. That’s why we like him. He threatens the opposing team in many different ways. We’ve just got to get him healthy.”

    If Austin does get healthy, the Rams still believe he has the potential to justify that Top 10 draft pick.

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    ‘My Work Here Is Done,’ Smiles Contented Bannon Before Bursting Into Millions Of Spores

    http://www.theonion.com/article/my-work-here-done-smiles-contented-bannon-bursting-56698

    WASHINGTON—His skin already starting to bubble, newly dismissed White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon reportedly smiled and said “My work here is done” on Friday before bursting into millions of spores. “Now that I’ve accomplished everything I set out to do, it’s time for me to go,” said a contented Bannon moments before exploding into a cloud of millions of tiny black particles that swirled out the Oval Office window. “Just know that, if ever you need me, call my name into the wind and I will appear. Goodbye, my friends! Goodbye!” At press time, any White House staffers that had inhaled the Bannon spores were dying in agony as the spores began sprouting in their brains.

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    And if they dont stay on the domain? Then does that make Blumenthal right?

    Lets see if they stay on the domain.

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    Yes it makes him right on this.

    A man’s gotta be fair….

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    …notice what Blumenthal sez about the Daily Stormer “taking out a russian domain” and angering the Russians because of it….

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    If they stay on that domain that anger is fake or never existed.

    It’s simple enough to kick them off.

    I just think your guy was trapped in a “leftist who is inexplicably confused on Russia” dilemma and tried to fix it with rhetoric.

    ….

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    Neoliberalism: the idea that swallowed the world
    The word has become a rhetorical weapon, but it properly names the reigning ideology of our era – one that venerates the logic of the market and strips away the things that make us human.

    Stephen Metcalf

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Last summer, researchers at the International Monetary Fund settled a long and bitter debate over “neoliberalism”: they admitted it exists. Three senior economists at the IMF, an organisation not known for its incaution, published a paper questioning the benefits of neoliberalism. In so doing, they helped put to rest the idea that the word is nothing more than a political slur, or a term without any analytic power. The paper gently called out a “neoliberal agenda” for pushing deregulation on economies around the world, for forcing open national markets to trade and capital, and for demanding that governments shrink themselves via austerity or privatisation. The authors cited statistical evidence for the spread of neoliberal policies since 1980, and their correlation with anaemic growth, boom-and-bust cycles and inequality.

    Neoliberalism is an old term, dating back to the 1930s, but it has been revived as a way of describing our current politics – or more precisely, the range of thought allowed by our politics. In the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, it was a way of assigning responsibility for the debacle, not to a political party per se, but to an establishment that had conceded its authority to the market. For the Democrats in the US and Labour in the UK, this concession was depicted as a grotesque betrayal of principle. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, it was said, had abandoned the left’s traditional commitments, especially to workers, in favour of a global financial elite and the self-serving policies that enriched them; and in doing so, had enabled a sickening rise in inequality.

    Over the past few years, as debates have turned uglier, the word has become a rhetorical weapon, a way for anyone left of centre to incriminate those even an inch to their right. (No wonder centrists say it’s a meaningless insult: they’re the ones most meaningfully insulted by it.) But “neoliberalism” is more than a gratifyingly righteous jibe. It is also, in its way, a pair of eyeglasses.

    Peer through the lens of neoliberalism and you see more clearly how the political thinkers most admired by Thatcher and Reagan helped shape the ideal of society as a kind of universal market (and not, for example, a polis, a civil sphere or a kind of family) and of human beings as profit-and-loss calculators (and not bearers of grace, or of inalienable rights and duties). Of course the goal was to weaken the welfare state and any commitment to full employment, and – always – to cut taxes and deregulate. But “neoliberalism” indicates something more than a standard rightwing wish list. It was a way of reordering social reality, and of rethinking our status as individuals.

    Still peering through the lens, you see how, no less than the welfare state, the free market is a human invention. You see how pervasively we are now urged to think of ourselves as proprietors of our own talents and initiative, how glibly we are told to compete and adapt. You see the extent to which a language formerly confined to chalkboard simplifications describing commodity markets (competition, perfect information, rational behaviour) has been applied to all of society, until it has invaded the grit of our personal lives, and how the attitude of the salesman has become enmeshed in all modes of self-expression.

    In short, “neoliberalism” is not simply a name for pro-market policies, or for the compromises with finance capitalism made by failing social democratic parties. It is a name for a premise that, quietly, has come to regulate all we practise and believe: that competition is the only legitimate organising principle for human activity.

    No sooner had neoliberalism been certified as real, and no sooner had it made clear the universal hypocrisy of the market, than the populists and authoritarians came to power. In the US, Hillary Clinton, the neoliberal arch-villain, lost – and to a man who knew just enough to pretend he hated free trade. So are the eyeglasses now useless? Can they do anything to help us understand what is broken about British and American politics? Against the forces of global integration, national identity is being reasserted, and in the crudest possible terms. What could the militant parochialism of Brexit Britain and Trumpist America have to do with neoliberal rationality? What possible connection is there between the president – a freewheeling boob – and the bloodless paragon of efficiency known as the free market?

    It isn’t only that the free market produces a tiny cadre of winners and an enormous army of losers – and the losers, looking for revenge, have turned to Brexit and Trump. There was, from the beginning, an inevitable relationship between the utopian ideal of the free market and the dystopian present in which we find ourselves; between the market as unique discloser of value and guardian of liberty, and our current descent into post-truth and illiberalism.

    Moving the stale debate about neoliberalism forward begins, I think, with taking seriously the measure of its cumulative effect on all of us, regardless of affiliation. And this requires returning to its origins, which have nothing to do with Bill or Hillary Clinton. There once was a group of people who did call themselves neoliberals, and did so proudly, and their ambition was a total revolution in thought. The most prominent among them, Friedrich Hayek, did not think he was staking out a position on the political spectrum, or making excuses for the fatuous rich, or tinkering along the edges of microeconomics.

    He thought he was solving the problem of modernity: the problem of objective knowledge. For Hayek, the market didn’t just facilitate trade in goods and services; it revealed truth. How did his ambition collapse into its opposite – the mind-bending possibility that, thanks to our thoughtless veneration of the free market, truth might be driven from public life altogether?

    When the idea occurred to Friedrich Hayek in 1936, he knew, with the conviction of a “sudden illumination”, that he had struck upon something new. “How can the combination of fragments of knowledge existing in different minds,” he wrote, “bring about results which, if they were to be brought about deliberately, would require a knowledge on the part of the directing mind which no single person can possess?”

    This was not a technical point about interest rates or deflationary slumps. This was not a reactionary polemic against collectivism or the welfare state. This was a way of birthing a new world. To his mounting excitement, Hayek understood that the market could be thought of as a kind of mind.

    Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” had already given us the modern conception of the market: as an autonomous sphere of human activity and therefore, potentially, a valid object of scientific knowledge. But Smith was, until the end of his life, an 18th-century moralist. He thought the market could be justified only in light of individual virtue, and he was anxious that a society governed by nothing but transactional self-interest was no society at all. Neoliberalism is Adam Smith without the anxiety.

    That Hayek is considered the grandfather of neoliberalism – a style of thought that reduces everything to economics – is a little ironic given that he was such a mediocre economist. He was just a young, obscure Viennese technocrat when he was recruited to the London School of Economics to compete with, or possibly even dim, the rising star of John Maynard Keynes at Cambridge.

    The plan backfired, and Hayek lost out to Keynes in a rout. Keynes’s General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, published in 1936, was greeted as a masterpiece. It dominated the public discussion, especially among young English economists in training, for whom the brilliant, dashing, socially connected Keynes was a beau idéal. By the end of the second world war, many prominent free-marketers had come around to Keynes’s way of thinking, conceding that government might play a role in managing a modern economy. The initial excitement over Hayek had dissipated. His peculiar notion that doing nothing could cure an economic depression had been discredited in theory and practice. He later admitted that he wished his work criticising Keynes would simply be forgotten.

    Hayek cut a silly figure: a tall, erect, thickly accented professor in high-cut tweed, insisting on the formal “Von Hayek” but cruelly nicknamed “Mr Fluctooations” behind his back. In 1936, he was an academic without a portfolio and with no obvious future. Yet we now live in Hayek’s world, as we once lived in Keynes’s. Lawrence Summers, the Clinton adviser and former president of Harvard University, has said that Hayek’s conception of the price system as a mind is “as penetrating and original an idea as microeconomics produced in the 20th century” and “the single most important thing to learn from an economics course today”. This undersells it. Keynes did not make or predict the cold war, but his thinking wended its way into every aspect of the cold-war world; so too has Hayek’s thinking woven itself into every aspect of the post-1989 world.

    Hayek’s was a total worldview: a way of structuring all reality on the model of economic competition. He begins by assuming that nearly all (if not all) human activity is a form of economic calculation, and so can be assimilated to the master concepts of wealth, value, exchange, cost – and especially price. Prices are a means of allocating scarce resources efficiently, according to need and utility, as governed by supply and demand. For the price system to function efficiently, markets must be free and competitive. Ever since Smith imagined the economy as an autonomous sphere, the possibility existed that the market might not just be one piece of society, but society as a whole. Within such a society, men and women need only follow their own self-interest and compete for scarce rewards. Through competition, “it becomes possible”, as the sociologist Will Davies has written, “to discern who and what is valuable”.

    What any person acquainted with history sees as the necessary bulwarks against tyranny and exploitation – a thriving middle class and civil sphere; free institutions; universal suffrage; freedom of conscience, congregation, religion and press; a basic recognition that the individual is a bearer of dignity – held no special place in Hayek’s thought. Hayek built into neoliberalism the assumption that the market provides all necessary protection against the one real political danger: totalitarianism. To prevent this, the state need only keep the market free.

    This last is what makes neoliberalism “neo”. It is a crucial modification of the older belief in a free market and a minimal state, known as “classical liberalism”. In classical liberalism, merchants simply asked the state to “leave us alone” – to laissez-nous faire. Neoliberalism recognised that the state must be active in the organisation of a market economy. The conditions allowing for a free market must be won politically, and the state must be re-engineered to support the free market on an ongoing basis.

    That isn’t all: every aspect of democratic politics, from the choices of voters to the decisions of politicians, must be submitted to a purely economic analysis. The lawmaker is obliged to leave well enough alone – to not distort the natural actions of the marketplace – and so, ideally, the state provides a fixed, neutral, universal legal framework within which market forces operate spontaneously. The conscious direction of government is never preferable to the “automatic mechanism of adjustment” – ie the price system, which is not only efficient but maximises liberty, or the opportunity for men and women to make free choices about their own lives.

    As Keynes jetted between London and Washington, creating the postwar order, Hayek sat pouting in Cambridge. He had been sent there during the wartime evacuations; and he complained that he was surrounded by “foreigners” and “no lack of orientals of all kinds” and “Europeans of practically all nationalities, but very few of real intelligence”.

    Stuck in England, without influence or respect, Hayek had only his idea to console him; an idea so grand it would one day dissolve the ground beneath the feet of Keynes and every other intellectual. Left to its own devices, the price system functions as a kind of mind. And not just any mind, but an omniscient one: the market computes what individuals cannot grasp. Reaching out to him as an intellectual comrade-in-arms, the American journalist Walter Lippmann wrote to Hayek, saying: “No human mind has ever understood the whole scheme of a society … At best a mind can understand its own version of the scheme, something much thinner, which bears to reality some such relation as a silhouette to a man.”

    It is a grand epistemological claim – that the market is a way of knowing, one that radically exceeds the capacity of any individual mind. Such a market is less a human contrivance, to be manipulated like any other, than a force to be studied and placated. Economics ceases to be a technique – as Keynes believed it to be – for achieving desirable social ends, such as growth or stable money. The only social end is the maintenance of the market itself. In its omniscience, the market constitutes the only legitimate form of knowledge, next to which all other modes of reflection are partial, in both senses of the word: they comprehend only a fragment of a whole and they plead on behalf of a special interest. Individually, our values are personal ones, or mere opinions; collectively, the market converts them into prices, or objective facts.

    After washing out at LSE, Hayek never held a permanent appointment that was not paid for by corporate sponsors. Even his conservative colleagues at the University of Chicago – the global epicentre of libertarian dissent in the 1950s – regarded Hayek as a reactionary mouthpiece, a “stock rightwing man” with a “stock rightwing sponsor”, as one put it. As late as 1972, a friend could visit Hayek, now in Salzburg, only to find an elderly man prostrate with self-pity, believing his life’s work was in vain. No one cared what he had written!

    There had, however, been hopeful signs: Hayek was Barry Goldwater’s favourite political philosopher and was said to be Ronald Reagan’s, too. Then there was Margaret Thatcher. To anyone who would listen, Thatcher lionised Hayek, promising to bring together his free-market philosophy with a revival of Victorian values: family, community, hard work.

    Hayek met privately with Thatcher in 1975, at the very moment that she, having been named leader of the opposition in the UK, was preparing to bring his Big Idea off the shelf and into history. They huddled for 30 minutes on Lord North Street in London, at the Institute for Economic Affairs. Afterwards, Thatcher’s staff anxiously asked Hayek what he had thought. What could he say? For the first time in 40 years, power was mirroring back to Friedrich von Hayek his own cherished self-image, a man who might vanquish Keynes and remake the world.

    He replied: “She’s so beautiful.”

    Hayek’s Big Idea isn’t much of an idea – until you supersize it. Organic, spontaneous, elegant processes that, like a million fingers on a Ouija board, coordinate to create outcomes that are otherwise unplanned. Applied to an actual market – one for pork bellies or corn futures – this description is little more than a truism. It can be expanded to describe how various markets, in commodities and labour and even money itself, form that part of a society known as “the economy”. This is less banal, but still inconsequential; a Keynesian accepts this description happily. But what if we bump it up one more step? What if we reconceive all of society as a kind of market?

    The more Hayek’s idea expands, the more reactionary it gets, the more it hides behind its pretence of scientific neutrality – and the more it allows economics to link up with the major intellectual trend of the west since the 17th century. The rise of modern science generated a problem: if the world is universally obedient to natural laws, what does it mean to be human? Is a human being simply an object in the world, like any other? There appears to be no way to assimilate the subjective, interior human experience into nature as science conceives it – as something objective whose rules we discover by observation.

    Everything about the postwar political culture lay in favour of John Maynard Keynes, and an expanded role for the state in managing the economy. But everything about the postwar academic culture lay in favour of Hayek’s Big Idea. Before the war, even the most rightwing economist thought of the market as a means to a limited end, to the efficient allocation of scarce resources. From the time of Adam Smith in the mid-1700s, and up to that of the founding members of the Chicago school in the postwar years, it was commonplace to believe that the ultimate ends of society and of life, were established in the non-economic sphere.

    On this view, questions of value are resolved politically and democratically, not economically – through moral reflection and public deliberation. The classic modern expression of this belief is found in a 1922 essay called Ethics and the Economic Interpretation by Frank Knight, who arrived at Chicago two decades before Hayek. “The rational economic criticism of values gives results repugnant to common sense,” Knight wrote. “Economic man is the selfish, ruthless object of moral condemnation.”

    Economists had struggled for 200 years with the question of how to place the values on which an otherwise commercial society is organised beyond mere self-interest and calculation. Knight, along with his colleagues Henry Simons and Jacob Viner, were holdouts against Franklin D Roosevelt and the market interventions of the New Deal, and they established the University of Chicago as the intellectually rigorous home of free-market economics that it remains to this day. However, Simons, Viner and Knight all started their careers before the unrivalled prestige of atomic physicists drew enormous sums of money into the university system and kicked off a postwar vogue for “hard” science. They did not worship equations or models, and they worried about non-scientific questions. Most explicitly, they worried about questions of value, where value was absolutely distinct from price.

    It is not just that Simons, Viner and Knight were less dogmatic than Hayek, or more willing to pardon the state for taxing and spending. It is not the case that Hayek was their intellectual superior. But they acknowledged as a first principle that society was not the same thing as the market, and that price was not the same thing as value. This set them up to be swallowed whole by history.

    It was Hayek who showed us how to get from the hopeless condition of human partiality to the majestic objectivity of science. Hayek’s Big Idea acts as the missing link between our subjective human nature, and nature itself. In so doing, it puts any value that cannot be expressed as a price – as the verdict of a market – on an equally unsure footing, as nothing more than opinion, preference, folklore or superstition.

    More than anyone, even Hayek himself, it was the great postwar Chicago economist Milton Friedman who helped convert governments and politicians to the power of Hayek’s Big Idea. But first he broke with two centuries of precedent and declared that economics is “in principle independent of any particular ethical position or normative judgments” and is “an ‘objective’ science, in precisely the same sense as any of the physical sciences”. Values of the old, mental, normative kind were defective, they were “differences about which men can ultimately only fight”. There is the market, in other words, and there is relativism.

    Markets may be human facsimiles of natural systems, and like the universe itself, they may be authorless and valueless. But the application of Hayek’s Big Idea to every aspect of our lives negates what is most distinctive about us. That is, it assigns what is most human about human beings – our minds and our volition – to algorithms and markets, leaving us to mimic, zombie-like, the shrunken idealisations of economic models. Supersizing Hayek’s idea and radically upgrading the price system into a kind of social omniscience means radically downgrading the importance of our individual capacity to reason – our ability to provide and evaluate justifications for our actions and beliefs.

    As a result, the public sphere – the space where we offer up reasons, and contest the reasons of others – ceases to be a space for deliberation, and becomes a market in clicks, likes and retweets. The internet is personal preference magnified by algorithm; a pseudo-public space that echoes the voice already inside our head. Rather than a space of debate in which we make our way, as a society, toward consensus, now there is a mutual-affirmation apparatus banally referred to as a “marketplace of ideas”. What looks like something public and lucid is only an extension of our own pre-existing opinions, prejudices and beliefs, while the authority of institutions and experts has been displaced by the aggregative logic of big data. When we access the world through a search engine, its results are ranked, as the founder of Google puts it, “recursively” – by an infinity of individual users functioning as a market, continuously and in real time.

    The awesome utilities of digital technology aside, an earlier and more humanist tradition, which was dominant for centuries, had always distinguished between our tastes and preferences – the desires that find expression in the market – and our capacity for reflection on those preferences, which allows us to form and express values.

    “A taste is almost defined as a preference about which you do not argue,” the philosopher and economist Albert O Hirschman once wrote. “A taste about which you argue, with others or yourself, ceases ipso facto being a taste – it turns into a value.”

    Hirschman drew a distinction between that part of one’s self that is a consumer, and that part of one’s self that is a supplier of reasons. The market reflects what Hirschman called the preferences that are “revealed by agents as they buy goods and services”. But, as he puts it, men and women also “have the ability to step back from their ‘revealed’ wants, volition and preferences, to ask themselves whether they really want these wants and prefer these preferences”. We fashion our selves and identities on the basis of this capacity for reflection. The use of one’s individual reflective powers is reason; the collective use of these reflective powers is public reason; the use of public reason to make law and policy is democracy. When we provide reasons for our actions and beliefs, we bring ourselves into being: individually and collectively, we decide who and what we are.

    According to the logic of Hayek’s Big Idea, these expressions of human subjectivity are meaningless without ratification by the market – as Friedman said, they are nothing but relativism, each as good as any other. When the only objective truth is determined by the market, all other values have the status of mere opinions; everything else is relativist hot air. But Friedman’s “relativism” is a charge that can be thrown at any claim based on human reason. It is a nonsense insult, as all humanistic pursuits are “relative” in a way the sciences are not. They are relative to the (private) condition of having a mind, and the (public) need to reason and understand even when we can’t expect scientific proof. When our debates are no longer resolved by deliberation over reasons, then the whimsies of power will determine the outcome.

    This is where the triumph of neoliberalism meets the political nightmare we are living through now. “You had one job,” the old joke goes, and Hayek’s grand project, as originally conceived in 30s and 40s, was explicitly designed to prevent a backslide into political chaos and fascism. But the Big Idea was always this abomination waiting to happen. It was, from the beginning, pregnant with the thing it was said to protect against. Society reconceived as a giant market leads to a public life lost to bickering over mere opinions; until the public turns, finally, in frustration to a strongman as a last resort for solving its otherwise intractable problems.

    In 1989, an American reporter knocked on the 90-year-old Hayek’s door. He was living in Freiburg, West Germany, in a third-floor apartment in a stucco house on Urachstrasse. The two men sat in a sunroom whose windows looked out on the mountains, and Hayek, who was recovering from pneumonia, pulled a blanket over his legs as they spoke.

    This was no longer the man who had once wallowed in his own defeat at the hands of Keynes. Thatcher had just written to Hayek in a tone of millennial triumph. None of what she and Reagan had accomplished “would have been possible without the values and beliefs to set us on the right road and provide the right sense of direction”. Hayek was now cheerful on his own account, and optimistic about the future of capitalism. As the journalist wrote, “In particular, Hayek sees a greater appreciation for the market among the younger generation. Today unemployed youth in Algiers and Rangoon riot not for centrally planned welfare state but for opportunity: the freedom to buy and sell – jeans, cars, whatever – at whatever prices the market will bear.”

    Thirty years on, and it can fairly be said that Hayek’s victory is unrivalled. We live in a paradise built by his Big Idea. The more closely the world can be made to resemble an ideal market governed only by perfect competition, the more law-like and “scientific” human behaviour, in the aggregate, becomes. Every day we ourselves – no one has to tell us to anymore! – strive to become more perfectly like scattered, discrete, anonymous buyers and sellers; and every day we treat the residual desire to be something more than a consumer as nostalgia, or elitism.

    What began as a new form of intellectual authority, rooted in a devoutly apolitical worldview, nudged easily into an ultra-reactionary politics. What can’t be quantified must not be real, says the economist, and how do you measure the benefits of the core faiths of the enlightenment – namely, critical reasoning, personal autonomy and democratic self-government? When we abandoned, for its embarrassing residue of subjectivity, reason as a form of truth, and made science the sole arbiter of both the real and the true, we created a void that pseudo-science was happy to fill.

    The authority of the professor, the reformer, the legislator or the jurist does not derive from the market, but from humanistic values such as public spiritedness, conscience or the longing for justice. Long before the Trump administration started demeaning them, such figures had been drained of salience by an explanatory scheme that can’t explain them. Surely there is a connection between their growing irrelevance and the election of Trump, a creature of pure whim, a man without the principles or conviction to make for a coherent self. A man without a mind, who represents the total absence of reason, is running the world; or at least ruining it. As a Manhattan real estate wiseguy, though, Trump, hey – he knows what he knows: that his sins have yet to be punished in the marketplace.

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