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  • #76077
    zn
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    When was the last time Rams were 4-2?

    #76086
    nittany ram
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    Tough scrappy win against a great defense.

    Defenses have figured out how to limit the Rams passing game.

    Fortunately they don’t have to face the Seahawks’ and Jaguars’ defense every week.

    #76087
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    When was the last time Rams were 4-2?

    2008. They finished 8-8.

    #76090
    InvaderRam
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    goff got through a really rough stretch of 2 games and looked… ok.

    keep telling myself gotta be patient…

    #76092
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    We have to be better on our run defense. Giving up a 75 yard run to Fournette early is not good.

    Some positives is Gurley got another 100+ yard game. Defense only gave up 3 points after Jacksonville scored 14 early TDs. Those three points came in the second half.

    I had a very good halftime pee as well. It felt good to unload it. Just saying.

    #76101
    canadaram
    Participant

    Special teams; how many times can you count on your special teams to put up the points needed to win? Super happy that the Rams are 4-2 instead of 3-3, even if that felt like a Fisher era win. Hopefully the Rams passing game can get back on track soon.

    "It's nice to be nice to the nice." ~Frank Burns

    #76103
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    We have to be better on our run defense. Giving up a 75 yard run to Fournette early is not good.

    Some positives is Gurley got another 100+ yard game. Defense only gave up 3 points after Jacksonville scored 14 early TDs. Those three points came in the second half.

    I had a very good halftime pee as well. It felt good to unload it. Just saying.

    to the rams’ credit they did limit fournette to 55 yards on 20 carries after that first run.

    but yeah. it’d be nice to see them play well from start to finish once.

    but they did finish the game off when they needed to.

    #76104
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Tough game, good win, credit offensive line, special teams, and the defense.

    Agamemnon

    #76105
    zn
    Moderator

    When was the last time Rams were 4-2?

    2008. They finished 8-8.

    2006 I think you mean. Typo man. In 2008 they went 2-14. Which, admittedly, does have a 2 and a 4 in it.

    #76106
    wv
    Participant

    Aint watched it yet. I’ll watch it on replay. I saw the hi-lites and read the box score and it looks like yer basic tough road win against a tough defense.

    This is what good teams do. They dont find ways to LOSE games like this.

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    #76107
    joemad
    Participant

    16 play 5 min drive to seal the game with an FG

    That was beautiful…

    Next week AZ……Rams are 0-2 in the U.K.

    #76108
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    someone correct me if i’m wrong, but it seems like woods is becoming goff’s favorite target which would make sense. he’s a smart savvy veteran wr.

    #76112
    canadaram
    Participant

    someone correct me if i’m wrong, but it seems like woods is becoming goff’s favorite target which would make sense. he’s a smart savvy veteran wr.

    Yes, I agree with that. Woods is currently my favourite Ram. Compared to some other NFL WRs he’s not the most athletically gifted guy, but he’s tough as nails and reliable.

    "It's nice to be nice to the nice." ~Frank Burns

    #76113
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i’ll also say this. as bad as the offense played today, when they needed a long drive at the end to put the jags away, they grinded one out. i think they had a clutch third down conversion to kupp maybe?

    anyway. that’s two times in a row goff finished a game with a strong drive. last week could have been a winning touchdown if kupp catches that ball. this week they ice the game with a field goal.

    i don’t know exactly how to quantify that, but it showed me some composure from the now 23 year old.

    #76114
    canadaram
    Participant

    Higbee keeps getting a fair share of targets as well.

    "It's nice to be nice to the nice." ~Frank Burns

    #76116
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    actually that last drive was more a credit to the oline and gurley. he did make a third down conversion there though.

    Higbee keeps getting a fair share of targets as well.

    yeah. i’m starting to think maybe he shouldn’t be getting targets. but with that secondary, maybe that’s what was available to goff.

    #76124
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    football outsiders has the jags pass defense ranked first out of all 32 teams while seattle is ranked sixth.

    so looking forward. and i’ll put the team rank in rush defense in parentheses.

    ari – 24th (7th)
    nyg – 22nd (28th)
    hou – 11th (4th)
    min – 21st (11th)
    no – 16th (30th)
    ari – 24th (7th)
    phi – 15th (10th)
    sea – 6th (23rd)
    ten – 25th (17th)
    sf – 26th (14th)

    definitely there will be opportunities for goff. jacksonville and seattle are the 2 toughest pass defenses goff will have to face this season with washington not too far behind at seventh.

    #76134
    zn
    Moderator

    RamUK wrote:

    Wow that was draining!

    Embarrassing confession. We literal;y walked in to see the field as the kick off was in the air.

    I didn’t cotton on we were in the dark blue and thought the Jags were taking it back. It wasn’t until Cooper hit the end zone and it went quiet that I realized! That was a lovely realization.

    I was really surprised how many Rams supporters were there. There were a LOT around us and that’s awesome when so many people knock Rams fans.

    At the end of it they were on target for a gazillion points but I said to the jubilant Jags fans round me when Fournette took that long run to the house that they weren’t to got too excited as Wade didn’t bother turning up for the first quarter as he was out fishing.

    If we can actually start a game with the D firing on all cylinders then it’ll be a top 3 D. They shut Fournette down after that first quarter and they were swarming.

    Watching Hekker in stadium as opposed to on TV is a joy to behold. Man he hits that ball high, way higher than the Jags punter.

    I just don’t see what Austin brings to this O., I really don’t. $40m for a decoy who has had punt return duties taken off him and who has to be fitted into the O is frustrating to me.

    As of now, our best D player is not Donald it’s Brockers. He was outstanding today and I think more than any player he is benefiting from the 3-4.

    And what can you say about our ST’s that hasn’t been said. Bones should be up for coach of the year. He has those guys fired up and boy do they love him.

    We had a couple of plays go our way especially just prior to the blocked punt, but this team is so tough. Ram tough.

    I’m not too worried about Goff and this is kind of what you’d expect from such a young kid. But one thing worries me. He locks on to a receiver too easily and is not going through his progressions. Again this is easier to see from up above. Maybe today was an anomaly, but I hadn’t noticed it quite so much on TV.

    The Jags fans are so ambivalent with thousands leaving way before the game was really over, but unlike some other games, I actually though the Rams were going to hold on today, and they did.

    I was exhausted by the end, but that nice exhaustion you get sometimes.

    McVay is making mistakes, Goff is making mistakes, and the team as a whole is. BUT we’re winning and making mistakes.

    This NFL is so topsy turvy at the moment so anything can happen, it’s crazy.

    Can we make the play-offs, hell yeah and I think we will.

    Will we go far in the play-offs? Probably not, but I don’t think it’s beyond the bounds of possibility when you have the Packers done (IMHO) without Rodgers and then Atlanta losing to the Cards.

    It’s a weird season and I hope it will get a lot more weird with the Rams winning play-off games.

    #76135
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    To me it looked like Jax was trying to out physical the Rams and they couldn’t do it. After Fournette’s big run the Rams were really putting the hurt on him, Ogletree looked to be earning his raise. Hopefully Joyner makes it back for London. Bottom line this Defense is becoming a damn good unit . Woods is one tough dude. Watkins seems out of sync with the whole team. McVay seems too tight on the play calling at times when he loosens up he’s better. Being he’s already won as many games as all of last season very minor complaints indeed.

    #76143
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    2006 I think you mean. Typo man. In 2008 they went 2-14. Which, admittedly, does have a 2 and a 4 in it.

    Well, you didn’t specify the order in which the numbers had to appear.

    I’m not a mind reader. Next time be more clear.

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    #76145
    nittany ram
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    goff got through a really rough stretch of 2 games and looked… ok.

    keep telling myself gotta be patient…

    So, how have defenses been able to slow down Goff?

    Are they taking away his primary target and he’s having trouble getting through his progressions?

    Is he locking on?

    Or is it mostly a matter of playing really good defenses?

    #76146
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    So, how have defenses been able to slow down Goff?

    Are they taking away his primary target and he’s having trouble getting through his progressions?

    Is he locking on?

    Or is it mostly a matter of playing really good defenses?

    i don’t know. i’d guess it’s a combination of having his usual options taken away and just playing really good defenses.

    i’m guessing going through his progressions will speed up with repetition. just seeing how a defense lines up pre-snap. and then post-snap. seeing how defenses are dropping into coverage and reacting to that. all of that should speed up with repetitions i’m assuming.

    again. i don’t know. i’m no expert, but reading other people’s posts, it seems he’s doing a better job of not locking onto receivers. looking safeties off. but i’d have to think that his processing speed is still not where it should be. making him more inclined to lock onto receivers or cause just a millisecond of hesitation which elite defenders are more likely to take advantage of.

    his sense of pressure and his internal clock also seem to be getting better. but again. i gotta think this will get better the more he plays.

    and finally i remember ag talking about adding different things to his game and how it takes time to just fully incorporate that into one’s game. lots of things to think about for goff. maybe he’ll make a breakthrough sometime during the second half of the season. it’s only his sixth game in the mcvay offense. and he still hasn’t gone through a full offseason where he can just totally immerse himself in the offense. i think it’ll be different once he can go into an offseason having played a full 16 game schedule in the offense. then he’ll be better prepared to play against the elite defenses of the league.

    #76148
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    and also to add to that the guys around him haven’t played in this system either. just getting that timing and chemistry i’d have to think is crucial especially when the defenders are elite. any hesitation can lead to a fraction of a second off which can be taken advantage of.

    #76151
    wv
    Participant

    I watched it on replay, and i thought C.Barwin played well. He had a key block on the Cooper Kick Return.

    They tried to go deep to Watkins three times. (once Goff held on to the ball, but he was looking deep) Jax had him covered well twice and Goff just missed on the one where Watkins had separation.

    The OLine played very well. Big holes for Gurley and M.Brown.

    Defense was workman-like. A good D OUGHT to shut down a mediocre QB like Bortles and they prettymuch did. The contrast between Bortles’ skill set and Goffs was apparent, i thought. Bortles just does everything slower than Goff.

    4-Net is the best RB I’ve seen in a while.

    4-2 is awesome.

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    #76156
    PA Ram
    Participant

    The defense really settled down and played a great game.

    The offense still has things to work out but the pieces are clearly there.

    Cooper made me nervous dropping punts a couple of times but it worked out okay.

    They did not self destruct.

    They did what they had to do to win. And that’s big coming off a tough loss. They have not strung two losses in a row and if you can avoid that you’ll do well.

    Huge game this week. Must win. Schedule gets tougher after the bye week.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #76161
    zn
    Moderator

    Summ stuph.

    Jagz defense is #1 against the pass. But also #1 in sack percentage, at 10.2% (which btw they surpassed against the Rams). The last time a team had a sack percentage higher than 10.2% was Dallas with 10.4% in 2008. They also were 1st in sacks, first in INTs and INT percentage, 2nd in Passing TDs allowed, first in opposing qb’s qb rating, 5th in opposing qb completion percentage, 3rd in yards per pass attempt allowed.

    The little shovel pass to Everett is the 4th passing TD they’ve allowed all year.

    Where they’re bad is rushing defense and the Rams took advantage.

    In some categories the Rams offense came in higher than the Jax defense has allowed on average. So on average, with Jax the opposing qb’s qb rating is 60; Goff’s against them was 86.2 . Their YPA allowed is 4.5; Goff got 5.9 (against anyone else that would be considered bad). Jax gets 1.7 Ints a game; Rams threw none.

    #76182
    zn
    Moderator

    alyoshamucci wrote:

    Blinkscout Game 6 Jags … steadying the winning ship ...

    We’re Rams fans so there is naturally going to be a level of complaint as if we were losing these games. I expect that.

    But the truth is that we’re fine tuning a new offense and defense, and getting better along the way. Also, I’ll note right off the bat that I think the Sammy complaints are premature. They didn’t have an offseason together and I don’t expect a fully synched Goff to Watkins expectation is realistic until after the bye week.

    The Great

    1) Run blocking. To average over 5 ypc without a 40 yarder thrown in there against a solid defense is a great sign.

    2) Special Teams … I sometimes forget how good Fassel is.

    3) AD beginning to make more plays.

    The Good

    4) Tanzel Smart is tenacious and consistent. I knew he was a good kid, but I truly did not expect him to play THIS well.

    5) The TD to Everett … that was really really quick cognition by two great athletes to make that happen.

    6) Targeting Sammy downfield.

    7) Playing more physical than a really physical team.

    8) Barron playing really well.

    9) Brockers sacks and pressures.

    10) Ebukam with quality reps.

    11) Every successful tackle of Fournette. Kid is a monster. I remember his freshman year at LSU, thinking “Man if he gains 20 lbs he’s not going to be able to be a RB” … and he gained 25 … and still runs a 4.5 flat. Freak.

    12) Consistent pressure and how many? 5 sacks?

    The Bad

    13) Why is Kupp not catching punts? Pharoh can’t catch either.

    14) Webster seems to get dinged a lot.

    15) Can we not tackle Marquis Lee?

    16) Quinn with the penalties … I hate the suplex penalty as Fournette is a monster, but the whistle had definitely sounded. Im not as upset with his play as most are, I think he’s creating quality pressure, but he has 3 offsides now. I have no idea what that’s about.

    17) Missing Higbee 3 times? Dang.

    18) Sammy rounding his route off on the deep ball (I am not concerned with the jump ball, everyone miss times a jump now and again) … took a bad angle IMO. Fixable when they know each other better.

    19) How do we not fall on one of those fumbles?

    20) Hey can we identify a guy like Calais Campbell earlier and adjust for him?

    21) I don’t like seeing Whitworth get beat more than once.

    I don’t have an Ugly section.

    #76189
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    In some categories the Rams offense came in higher than the Jax defense has allowed on average. So on average, with Jax the opposing qb’s qb rating is 60; Goff’s against them was 86.2 . Their YPA allowed is 4.5; Goff got 5.9 (against anyone else that would be considered bad). Jax gets 1.7 Ints a game; Rams threw none.

    i understand all that and yet i think goff and the passing game could have done better. and that’s not even putting them down. that’s all while understanding that the jags have maybe the best pass defense in the league. i mean they just shut down roethlisberger and le’veon bell. although i grant that goff was largely protected by mcvay unlike ben who got exposed big time by the game plan.

    but goff and that cast have not had much time together. the oline 2/5 of which have new teammates have only had 6 games to really gel. goff has 6 games in this new system and 13 overall – 5 and 12 going into the game. his 3 best receivers weren’t even on the team last year. a rookie tight end and a second year tight end. how could i not think they could be better?

    so that’s also exciting to me. this does not give the feeling to me of that linehan team that went 4-2. that had an offense whose main stars at receiver were holt and bruce who were at or near the end of their careers. bulger i think was a qb who had pretty much peaked at that point. jackson was the one young star with potential.

    on defense pretty much the same deal. mostly a veteran defense without any blue chip talent. guys who were near the end of their careers or young guys without the potential i believe these rams have.

    i’m feeling pretty good about this team, but mostly i’m excited by the prospect of watching goff and this young offense develop. just hope that goff can stay healthy and that they can adequately replace whitworth when the time comes which will be no easy task.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by InvaderRam.
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    #76194
    zn
    Moderator

    In some categories the Rams offense came in higher than the Jax defense has allowed on average. So on average, with Jax the opposing qb’s qb rating is 60; Goff’s against them was 86.2 . Their YPA allowed is 4.5; Goff got 5.9 (against anyone else that would be considered bad). Jax gets 1.7 Ints a game; Rams threw none.

    i understand all that and yet i think goff and the passing game could have done better.

    This is REALLY minor and could just be in my head, but I get a little bit of a sense there that you think I am arguing with you on this, a bit. It would actually be okay if we were, but weren’t not though…I said what I said about the stats not in response to anything, it was just some added ideas to toss out. In terms of your view that the passing game could have done better, I completely agree. I think a young coach, young qb, and new offense have struggled a bit over the last 3 games…even though they went 2-1 in those games.

    My stats thing was just some more “it’s celebration time” detail stuff. It wasn’t aimed at anyone. If you asked me directly “do those numbers mean they didn’t struggle in the passing game” I would answer “no, if you watched the game it’s clear they had rough areas still to work out.” So basically we agree.

    #76202
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    I get a little bit of a sense there that you think I am arguing with you on this, a bit.

    no, not at all. a lot of it is just thinking out loud. but it’s kind of interesting to me, that even though they struggled. they can get better.

    i mean i find that a little bit exciting.

    and the jags defense shut down roethlisberger and bell the previous week. held them to no touchdowns. and contrast that to goff and gurley – an extremely young backfield and how they did. so while i’m concerned that they didn’t do that well, i also realize it was against a defense that basically shut down a backfield consisting of a qb that’s won multiple superbowls and a running back with hall of fame potential. not even mentioning arguably the best wide receiver in the game.

    so the fact that they i think they could actually do better than what they did has me excited.

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