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znModeratorI thought about it and this is how I feel. Right now no game is a big test. If they do well against Dallas it doesn’t guarantee anything and if they do poorly against Dallas they still have time to rise again. And so on.
Goff (and the offense, and the team) will not be as consistently good this year but that’s fine. It’s to be expected. People who said before the season that they will be up and down were probably right, though no one expected the “ups” to be as high as they were offensively
Goff to me already is the Rams franchise qb (note: to me “franchise qb” and “elite qb” are not the same concept). He has very refined arm talent, and has demonstrated toughness all along going back to his first year art Cal. But his ability to see, understand, and instantly respond to different defenses? That can only come with experience.
This year, to me, is about a talented qb getting seasoning and experience and maturing. I won’t take the highs as exclusive evidence of where he’s at any more than I will take any lows as “final evidence” of anything. I won’t be disappointed by 8-8 or proclaim that he is a mature veteran qb if they go 9-7. So while Goff HAS shown he has a tremendous amount of raw talent, this is still year 2 of a qb who started out far greener than most. Given all that if he ends up with more TDs than INTs and a qb rating in the 90s that will be better than anyone expected before the season. And frankly I think that’s what will happen.
znModeratorRams The offense has looked good, but what has happened to that defense. That unit has been getting dominated, which is a shock.
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16. Los Angeles Rams: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/NFLpowerrankingsx170926/nfl-2017-week-4-power-rankings-atlanta-falcons-kansas-city-chiefs-new-england-patriots-quarterbacks
Jared Goff: 68.5 Total QBR. Goff is averaging a league-best 10.1 yards per attempt this season, and he also has the fourth-best Total QBR. He ranked last in both in 2016. The new Rams offense will have some tougher challenges coming up though, with games against the Cowboys, Seahawks and surprising Jaguars.
znModeratorRANK 16: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000851973/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-4-titans-hit-top-five-steelers-plunge
2-1 RAMS
The Rams delivered on Thursday in what might be the game of the year thus far. The offense looks completely different from how it did last year, in the best possible interpretation of that phrase. The defense under coordinator Wade Phillips might take a bit more time to gel — usually, a new offense is slower to develop than a new D, but not in this case. Meanwhile, the nice start for this franchise is not an aberration — unlike last year’s 3-1 record, which was smoke, mirrors and a bushy mustache.==
https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/9/26/16364900/nfl-power-rankings-week-4-49ers
16 Los Angeles Rams (2-1)
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znModeratorHard to say because it’s a “telltale” game: we will know how good they are, depending on how they do.
Before the ARZ game Dallas was 14th on offense and 9th on defense.
IND is 30th on offense and 28th on defense.
Wash is 8th on offense and 5th on defense.
SF is 24th on offense and 18th on defense.After the Monday game Dallas is 19th on offense and 10th on defense. But 18th in passing defense.
ARZ btw is 12th on offense and 9th on defense. But 31st on rushing offense.
It’s going to be a shoot-out.
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znModeratorJosh Weinfuss
ESPN Staff WriterFINAL: The Cardinals couldn’t carry a great start through the rest of the game. Their run game wasn’t effective on offense, despite 149 yards from Larry Fitzgerald, in large part to six sacks of Carson Palmer. The defense gave up two long jump balls that ended up being the difference.
September 26, 2017 at 12:14 am in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75039znModeratorAre NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?
Confusing claims about whether the NFL’s rulebook or game operations manual specifically requires players to stand on the sideline during the pre-game playing of the U.S. national anthem.http://www.snopes.com/must-nfl-players-stand/
CLAIM
The NFL’s rulebook contains a regulation specifically requiring players to stand on the sideline during the pre-game playing of the U.S. national anthem.
WHAT’S TRUE
The NFL’s rulebook says nothing about player conduct during the pre-game playing of the U.S. national anthem.
WHAT’S FALSE
The NFL’s game operations manual may contain a regulation stating that players must be present on the sidelines during the national anthem, but not that they must stand.
ORIGIN
Partway into the 2017 NFL season, the practice begun by San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick during the previous year’s exhibition season — of kneeling on the sidelines (rather than standing) during the playing of the U.S. national anthem before games in order to symbolize opposition to racial injustice in America — had become widespread around the league. Many players — and some whole teams — had similarly started “taking a knee” on the sidelines, or staying in the locker room, while pre-game renditions of “The Star-Spangled Banner” were played in football stadiums.
The protest gained momentum after United States President Donald Trump issued comments prior to the NFL’s Week 3 schedule suggesting that football players who declined to stand during the national anthem should be fined, that fans should boycott games, and that the league should alter their policy to force players to stand during pre-game ceremonies:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect….…our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU’RE FIRED. Find something else to do!
Sports fans should never condone players that do not stand proud for their National Anthem or their Country. NFL should change policy!
During that weekend’s games, an item began circulating via social media proclaiming that the NFL League Rulebook specifically required that all players must be on the sideline during the playing of the national anthem, and that “failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s)”:
The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states:
‘The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition … It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.’
However, no such wording appears in the 2017 version of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League (which the NFL also sometimes refers to as an “operations manual”): Pages 62 and 63 contain only regulations about the enforcement of fouls committed on the field during gameplay, and nowhere else does that document specify anything about the either the playing of the national anthem prior to games or the required behavior of players and team personnel during that ceremony. In fact, the rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem at all.
Rule 4, which covers Game Timing, states only that both teams must be on the field before the scheduled start time of the first and second halves, and must initially appear on the field at least 10 minutes early in order to allow sufficient time for warming up:
Both teams must be on the field to kick off at the scheduled time for the start of each half. Prior to the start of the game, both teams are required to appear on the field at least 10 minutes prior to the scheduled kickoff in order to ensure sufficient time for proper warm-up. Designated members of the officiating crew must notify both head coaches personally of the scheduled time for kickoff prior to the start of each half.
Rule 5, which covers Players, Substitutes, Equipment, and General Rules, does include (in Article 8) a section prohibiting players from “conveying personal messages” throughout the game day while they are visible to fans in attendance and television audiences, and from “convey[ing] messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes …”:
Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.
However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:
It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.
“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”
The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does.
Here’s what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:
‘The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
‘During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.’
We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). It also states that players “may” (not “shall”) be penalized for not observing the regulation, and indeed the NFL announced that they would not hand down any discipline over players’ remaining in the locker room before Week 3 games:
The NFL will not discipline those teams and players who refused to be on the field for the playing of the national anthem before games Sunday, league spokesman Joe Lockhart said.
“There will be no discipline handed down this week,” Lockhart, the NFL’s executive vice president of communications and public affairs, said in a conference call with reporters.
The Pittsburgh Steelers, Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans were not on the field for the anthem.
When Colin Kaepernick first made waves by kneeling during pre-game ceremonies back in August 2016, the NFL issued a statement proclaiming that “Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the National Anthem.” NBC News similarly observed that “The NFL has no such rule, and the Collective Bargaining Agreement is silent on the subject.”
Nonetheless, could Article 8, Rule 5 of the rulebook itself be interpreted as requiring NFL players to stand on the sidelines during the national anthem? The latter part of it would not seem to apply, as players who kneel or remain in the locker room during the playing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” are not wearing, or affixing to their uniforms, any symbols related to their protest. The first part seemingly provides league officials broad latitude to determine what constitutes a “personal message,” but as James Dator noted in addressing this issue on SBNATION, it’s unlikely that section could or would be applied to the current protests:
Despite claims over what is or isn’t “acceptable,” none of them hold weight. Potential disciplinary action over how players act during the anthem would need to be in place under the collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA, and to make matters more complicated, several states that have teams also extend first-amendment protection to employees of private businesses while at work.
znModeratordallas was getting a lot of pressure on palmer.
big test for the oline. big test for goff.
hopefully, the rams can run the ball effectively.
You probably saw more of the game than I did. I was kind of in and out. But, how much of the Dallas D was based on the idea that ARZ can’t run the ball.
znModeratorIt just feels so…lonely…up here in first place.
According to what I’ve been told by fans of other teams that have been through this, the thing is, we’re supposed to enjoy it.
znModeratorFormer Rams QBs impressed with Goff’s progress
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-jared-goff-20170925-story.html
The list reads as a roll call of Super Bowl quarterbacks.
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and Eli Manning emerged from Sunday’s Week 3 games as the NFL’s top five in season passing yardage.
And in sixth place . . .
The Rams’ Jared Goff.
Few would have predicted this after watching the No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft mostly struggle in seven late-season starts (all losses) as a rookie.
But with new coach Sean McVay calling plays, a rebuilt offensive line providing better protection and a deeper and more talented receiving corps, Goff has helped lead the Rams to a 2-1 record and first place in the NFC West.
Former Rams quarterbacks are impressed.
“I like Goff, and I think he’s going to get much better,” said Roman Gabriel, the 1969 NFL most valuable player. “A lot of it has to do with talent, but this season it’s also having better protection. And having McVay, from what I see, is as much a part of it as anything.”
Said Jim Everett, a Pro Bowl selection in 1990: “He’s got new guys, a new system and a new coach that’s smart and just off the charts with creativity. You see the growth in his game from a guy who was deer-in-the-headlights to a guy grasping the system.”
Goff has completed 70.4% of his passes for 817 yards and five touchdowns, with one interception.
Before Monday night’s game between Dallas and Arizona, he ranked among the NFL’s top quarterbacks in several categories.
Among quarterbacks who’ve played enough to qualify for the statistical rankings, Goff’s 118.2 rating was third, trailing only Kansas City’s Alex Smith and New England’s Brady. He was third in completion percentage, and first in yards per attempt (10.1).
Goff’s only major blemish was a late interception that sealed the Washington Redskins’ victory over the Rams in Week 2 at the Coliseum.
Last Thursday, Goff completed 22 of 28 passes for 292 yards and three touchdowns in a 41-39 victory over the San Francisco 49ers at Levi’s Stadium.
It was the second time in three games that the Rams, the NFL’s worst offense the previous two seasons, eclipsed 40 points.
“There’s a lot of things we can improve on as well,” Goff said, “but there’s no limits or expectations on ourselves. We’re just trying to continue to get better, continue to execute.”
Much of that responsibility falls on the 22-year-old Goff.
Vince Ferragamo, who led the Rams to the Super Bowl during the 1979 season, said Goff “was thrown in the fire last year with a really bad team.”
Goff benefited from the experience and an offseason of change.
“You can see that he’s more confident and more comfortable,” Ferragamo said.
McVay helped develop Kirk Cousins into an elite passer for the Redskins.
For Gabriel, 77, the arrival of McVay in Los Angeles was on par with his experience when Rams coach George Allen brought in assistant Ted Marchibroda as part of the 1966 staff.
“What I’d seen last year with Goff — I don’t like to demean any of the coaches — but [McVay] does just a super job like he did with Cousins in Washington,” Gabriel said. “I can see the difference. [Goff’s] footwork is much better.
“The only thing he needs to learn more now is to step up into the pocket rather than trying to get out of it.”
Everett said Goff’s growth has been evident in each successive game. His performance against the 49ers included several throws he had not demonstrated before.
“He wasn’t fading away, there was no hesitation,” Everett said. “He’d plant his foot and let it rip.”
McVay’s offense, Everett said, is keeping opponents guessing.
“Right now, there are no tendencies,” Everett said, adding, “No defensive coordinator can say, ‘Hey, this where they hang their hat right now,’ because they have NFL-caliber weapons and they don’t have to.”
Ferragamo noted that Goff has looked at ease throwing to receivers running post routes from the outset.
Now he is on the verge of perhaps taking the next step, of becoming “the general in charge,” Ferragamo said.
“Once he gets to that part, where you’re taking your team from behind, when you have to do that with a two-minute drill, that’s what I can’t wait to see,” Ferragamo said.
znModerator7-7
znModeratorIn West Virginia he’d be Questioned, because he only had
one gun in the car.w
vThat’s similar to Maine except here, the officers would have just given him a couple more.
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znModeratorSomething tells me that Westbrooks did not have the gun. That gun was with someone else. I don’t believe he had a stolen gun for 8 years. That means the car belonged to a friend or a family friend.
What I assume: he wanted a gun for his own reasons and someone he knew sold him one and he did not ask too many questions. Because it was stolen in 2009 does not mean EW had it for 8 years.
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A look at @JaredGoff16's #NextGenStats pass chart from Week 3 👀🏈🎯
📈 » https://t.co/ZavqrZjShV pic.twitter.com/96YZDMIxEI
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) September 25, 2017
znModeratorRams defensive lineman Ethan Westbrooks, on his arrest over the weekend: “Its just a bad situation.” Westbrooks, arrested for allegedly driving around with a stolen handgun in Kern County on Friday night, said Sean McVay spoke to him and told him the organization is supportive. Asked if he would play Sunday, Westbrooks said: “It’s been normal so far. As far as Sunday, I honestly can’t tell you.”
Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0704089504239065894-4
September 25, 2017 at 6:19 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75003znModeratorKurt Warner gets it. pic.twitter.com/0FY7u8kKdS
— Maury Brown (@BizballMaury) September 24, 2017
znModeratorI edited that so it would be fine now.
znModeratorFollowed by some bloopers.
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znModeratorJust because he has a facial tattoo means squat. Let’s drop it.
Jack if a guy’s within the rules he can say what he wants. We can’t ask people to drop stuff like that.
znModeratorSo far there is only one QB averaging over 10 yards per attempt, Jared Goff at 10.02. Followed up by Tom Brady – 9.93 and Matt Ryan – 9.32
— Mike Cahill (@FB_Cahill) September 25, 2017
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Love how everyone is on Goff now. My wagon was cold and lonely last season
— Mike Cahill (@FB_Cahill) September 22, 2017
znModeratorGun charge.
Link: http://www.ocregister.com/2017/09/25/rams-ethan-westbrooks-arrested-on-gun-charge/amp/
“According to sources, Westbrooks was pulled over by police in Bakersfield for speeding, at which point police found a gun in Westbrooks’ vehicle that was not registered to him.”
September 25, 2017 at 10:02 am in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #74979znModeratorPlayers used to come out on the field after the National Anthem. The Department of Defense and National Guard started paying teams to come out for military displays – for recruitment purposes – in 2009.
DoD paid $53 million of taxpayers’ money to pro sports for military tributes, report says
November 6, 2015
On-field events recognizing military service members — including ceremonial first pitches, honor guards and Jumbotron tributes — have become common at professional sports venues over the past several years.
Many in the stands assume the team or league puts on the tributes, but often it has been the Department of Defense, meaning tax dollars were used to foot the bill.
A report released Wednesday criticized the Department of Defense for spending millions in sports marketing contracts and called to task the professional sports teams that took the money, saying they were engaged in “paid patriotism.”
Prepared by U.S. Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake, both Arizona Republicans, the report found that all military branches reported spending $53 million on marketing and advertising contracts with professional sports organizations between 2012 and 2015. More than $10 million of that went to the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA and Major League Soccer.
“Given the immense sacrifices made by our service members, it seems more appropriate that any organization with a genuine interest in honoring them, and deriving public credit as a result, should do so at its own expense and not at that of the American taxpayer,” the report said. “Americans deserve the ability to assume that tributes for our men and women in military uniform are genuine displays of national pride, which many are, rather than taxpayer-funded DOD marketing gimmicks.”
In Pittsburgh, the amounts spent were small in comparison with contracts elsewhere. The Pittsburgh Steelers received $27,000 in fiscal year 2014, and the Pirates received $18,000.
But the report found higher spending by many entities, including the Georgia Army National Guard paying the Atlanta Falcons $879,000 in fiscal years 2012 to 2015, and the Massachusetts Army National Guard paying the New England Patriots $700,000 in fiscal years 2012 to 2014.
Since reports on the contracts first came to light last spring, the Defense Department has banned the practice, and the NFL has called on its teams to stop taking payment for such activities.
A Sept. 14 memo from the Under Secretary of Defense office said a review of sports marketing and advertising contracts revealed “some areas of concern,” that “could give rise to the perception that the department had paid for patriotism.
“Sports marketing and advertising is too important to the recruiting mission to allow these perceptions to detract from our message,” the letter said. “Our actions must be transparent, and our intent consistently focused on our mission: Sustaining the All-Volunteer Force.”
New interim rules require the service not to pay as part of any contract to honor Armed Forces personnel, including playing the national anthem, color guard demonstrations or enlistment ceremonies.
In a letter dated Nov. 2, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that an audit of all club contracts with the military is being conducted to ensure that recruitment efforts are kept separate from the NFL’s recognition and appreciation events for military members. Any inappropriate payments will be refunded in full, he said.
In the NFL’s AFC North, the Ravens had the biggest contracts, receiving $534,000 from the Maryland Army National Guard in fiscal years 2012 and 2013.
The Steelers came in second at $27,000 in fiscal year 2014; the Cleveland Browns were paid $10,000 by the U.S. Air Force for one color guard ceremony in fiscal year 2012; and the Cincinnati Bengals got $4,960 for 60 club-level seats bought by the 338th Recruiting Squadron in Fiscal Year 2013.
Steelers spokesman Burt Lauten said he believes the Senate report mischaracterizes the team’s relationship with the military.
“The advertising and promotion the military does with the Steelers to advance its recruiting efforts has no connection to the programs the Steelers have that provide an opportunity for our fans to salute our military veterans and active service members,” he said.
In Major League Baseball, the Atlanta Braves received the biggest contracts, getting $450,000 in fiscal years 2013 to 2015 from the Georgia Army National Guard.
The Pirates received $18,000 from the U.S. Air Force in fiscal year 2014, which included an Air Force performance of the national anthem and on-field swearing-in for the delayed entry program as well as 250 game tickets for members and their friends and family.
According to Brian Warecki, a Pirates spokesman, the contract also gave the Air Force the right to set up a booth for recruiting on Federal Street for six games and to present the colors at several games.
“Our small marketing partnership agreement with the Air Force is consistent with similar agreements with organizations looking to engage with the thousands of fans who attend Pirates games and is insignificant in relation to our support of the military,” Mr. Warecki said.
He listed a number of military appreciation events hosted by the Pirates throughout the year, including every Thursday home game. The team also donated raffle proceeds to military and veterans charity programs and raised funds for veterans programs at PirateFest, as well as giving away tickets.
“In short, the Pirates and Pirates Charities are meaningful supporters of the military and honor, recognize and contribute to its causes in very real and significant ways and all outside of any marketing partnership,” Mr. Warecki said.
In the senators’ report regarding the National Hockey League, the Penguins were not mentioned.
Tom McMillan, vice president of communications for the Penguins, said none of the veterans appreciation events that occur with the team come from paid military contracts.
The team regularly includes a “Hometown Hero,” who is invited to join Jeff Jimerson as he sings the national anthem, and other military members are chosen to ride on the Zambonis at intermission. For Veterans Day, the team normally brings in 10 to 15 soldiers injured in the line of duty to watch the morning skate and then meet the team and get personalized jerseys.
September 25, 2017 at 12:49 am in reply to: Washington is thumping the Raiders right now…and Seattle lost… #74964znModeratorLet’s fast forward 2 weeks and find out.
No.
We will wait 2 weeks like normal people.
This time jumping thing is not natural and causes all sorts of strange confusion.
I know it’s a built-in board feature, but truth is, we discourage people from using it.
znModeratorI do believe that the human body and of course the brain, can be a unique and that because I am a certain way, does not mean another human is the same way–even if we share certain parts. But I haven’t really dived deep into the subject.
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Why is government health care bad? I
Just on those 2 things?
There is hard medical evidence that gender dysphoria is real and probably directly related to brain structure. This runs so deep in human history that many native american groups just normalized it (see the berdache figure). There are also significant differences in suicide rates between kids who go through gender dysphoria with the family accepting it or not accepting it. Guess which group has the higher suicide rate.
And no one in the USA is proposing government health care. I know you know all this PA but it matters how one puts this because there is a big distinction. Socialized medicine is when the medical industry itself is public, like the post office or the fire dept. No one in the USA that I know of is proposing socialized medicine. What is popular in the USA is single payer universal insurance, where the major insurance provider is public but the medical industry itself remains private. There are so many good reasons to do this that eventually it is just going to happen. Doctors themselves are for it because it would reduce time and costs associated with dealing with insurance companies. Every place that has universal insurance has cheaper and better health care and better health care outcomes. And that’s just a thumbnail sized reduced pic of the tip of the iceberg seen from a distance.
September 25, 2017 at 12:02 am in reply to: Washington is thumping the Raiders right now…and Seattle lost… #74960znModeratorSeattle appears to have problems. I keep hearing their OL is terrible.
Well, today, their high rusher was Carson: 11 carries, 34 yards. Followed by Wilson, 7 carries for 26 yards.
On defense, they gave up a 75-yard rushing TD, a screen pass for a 55-yard TD, and a “wide open” 24-yard TD pass. That doesn’t sound like the stalwart Seattle Defense of yesteryear.
Two weeks from now. LA vs. Seattle. I am already looking forward to that game.
All valid, but a hesitation. The Rams have always played Wilson and the Carroll Seahawks tough because of a great pass rush. It remains to be seen if the Rams still have that. I know the Seattle OL is a poor one, but, to what extent can the current Rams D take advantage of that?
September 24, 2017 at 11:27 pm in reply to: Washington is thumping the Raiders right now…and Seattle lost… #74957znModeratorJust over 2 minutes and Washington is going to win—fumble, Washington recovers.
They just beat Oakland up, is what they did. 2 INTs and I think 2 fumbles lost.
September 24, 2017 at 9:54 pm in reply to: Washington is thumping the Raiders right now…and Seattle lost… #74954znModeratorJohn Keim, ESPN Staff Writer
Latest from OAK @ WSH:
The Redskins are playing their best ball in quite some time. Quarterback Kirk Cousins has completed 17-of-19 passes with two touchdowns and the defense has intercepted Derek Carr twice. They’re playing with energy and confidence on both sides of the ball.September 24, 2017 at 6:56 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #74933znModeratorIt’s just avoid sounding antagonistic in a way that can be taken like that by other posters.
Micro-aggressions?
You’re going to have to define for me, then, how people are going to “take” what I say – because there’s no possible way for me to be able to determine that. Is it because I said Progressive myths and/or ridiculous social advancements? Is that offensive? Will it trigger people? I mean, Billeh spoke to me about Nationalist myths and symbols, but I didn’t get offended. Even though I vehemently disagree with the importance of this particular symbol, his opinion doesn’t enrage me or anything. Neither did Zooey when he spoke about the STFU crowd. I’m sure he wasn’t speaking to me, and I’m not the type of person to get offended for other people. Let them carry their own jocks.
It just meant don’t say anything that can be applied to any poster in the thread.
If you say leftists/rightists are deluded cretins, since there are going to be leftists/rightists in the thread, then to be consistent with how the rules were written (and intended), and how they have been applied up till now, I have to take action.
Not going to debate it.
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September 24, 2017 at 6:12 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #74928znModeratorProvided nobody uses the word “You” when discussing it, I don’t see how it should be a problem to hash this stuff out.
I hear you, but that’s not where we draw the line though. This is old and deliberately built into the rules. It’s just avoid sounding antagonistic in a way that can be taken like that by other posters. That was written that way deliberately, on the basis of experience from the old huddle board discussions. It’s not a matter of it being opinion…as you say, everyone assumes that in every direction, and everyone who has been in the discussion so far knows that people of difference viewpoints have no love lost for other positions. I think that’s beside the point as the point is defined by the rules. It really is about the language and not the intention (and I was a great offender on the old politics board). So if anything derogatory is directly said about a political position, since that position usually belongs to someone in the discussion, it is by rule considered antagonistic.
Really, there are ways around it that stay wihin the rules. I can say “in my perspective, people out there of this persuasion (whatever it is) seem this way…” and then we don’t come as close to approaching the line as that line was drawn in the rules…though even that can be take too far (“everyone here knows that I personally dislike Canadian royalists, and if allowed to would force feed the lying traitorous bastards poison till they died, cause they don’t deserve to live…you know, IMO….”)
These things get tense and involve passion. And even if everyone currently present stayed within the borderlines, which just guessing I assume they all would, that doesn’t prevent the next guy who shows up from taking the volume another notch up. So it’s better to say something now to what are obviously borderline examples than let it develop whatever unpredictable way happens the minute a new poster responds to all that.
So I have to say things. Either that or re-write the rules.
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September 24, 2017 at 5:06 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #74924znModeratorAnd asking people to “accept that politics belong everywhere” makes no sense when those Progressive myths and ridiculous social advancements have no business in politics to begin with.
I read further back in the thread. This is the same general territory of what I brought up with Z. There are different folks with different political views in the thread, and strictly speaking, your diction is accusing some of believing in myths and promoting ridiculous things. In other words, you speak about the left from the POV of the right, and the result pushes a line. (I used to do this myself in the old huddle political board).
I don’t know what keeps the diction cooler while also giving people the power to speak from their particular perspective (and how it colors things).
Maybe just saying “what I believe are,” or “what I see as.” Etc. That way it’s less verging (even if unintentionally) on poster to poster namecalling and more just honestly stating this is just how I see it.
September 24, 2017 at 4:15 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #74919znModeratorWhat has Kroenke said?
It’s in this thread.
It’s more like it was written for him and he okayed it than it’s something he said, I assume. Though I am sure it speaks for his real views.
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