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wvParticipantMost spread QBs tend to not do well for more than a year or two when moving up to the NFL.
Here is Fisher on scouting spread qbs:
the quarterback play at the college level is different than the quarterback play at our level. So, if you’re going to go out and draft a quarterback, you have to be certain that he can handle the pro-style offense…..Quarterbacks, as you know if you watch the (college) game,they’re looking over and they’re getting the call from the sideline and they’re running the play. There’s not a lot of communication on the line of scrimmage, there’s not adjustments, there’s not Mike IDs. There’s not reads, there’s not the things that we ask them to do.
Okay, if you look at the bolded bit…you know who he’s describing? Bradford in 2010. Exact same thing.
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Yeah, i was thinking that when i first read that. Bradford.
And then there was Andrew Luck — Man, did the Colts get lucky there. Unbelievable. Peyton and then they
luck into Luck.Anyway, I’ll be happy if they can just bring in some talented
OLinemen. If the Defense had gelled early and If Hill hadnt had to run for his life so much,
I think they coulda gone nine and seven.So…just fix the damn OLine
and bring in 500 QBs.w
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wvParticipantSupreme Court Rules You Have No 4th Amendment Rights If Cops Don’t Know The Law
Jeez-uss H.
Yup.
And….Eight…to…one.Though…Its really just an extension of the same stuff thats
been going on for a long time. Similar to how Citizens United
was just an extension of whats been going on in that area.Blah blah blah….dogs and cats living together…
January 2, 2015 at 1:26 pm in reply to: Bringing Sam Bradford back to be the Rams starter is the definition of insanity #15324
wvParticipantyeah, zn…and you!
…and all the other great guys here!I hope to frequent RH more often leading up to the draft.
My brother Alyo still lingers at the HERD and so I hover there….sometimes too much.
I’m a little more hopeful/positive about the team’s direction than most posters there
and have been labelled/dismissed as an idealist/glass half-full/too positive kinda fan.
Probably true….but I just know from being in a huddle that the QB has to be the most absurdly optimistic
player for 60 minutes…in order to get others to play hard and believe they can win.Anyway, glad to read ya’ll again and I’m thankful RH is still here.
I miss the rational vibe.
Yeah good to see you ; I always
read you and yer brother’s stuff
on the herd.
This is a small board,
but we like it ::How ya feeling these days?
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vJanuary 2, 2015 at 1:23 pm in reply to: CBS Sports 920AM – Charlie Campbell 12-31-14 – he is a mock draft guy #15323
wvParticipantScherff would be fantastic at #10. imo
I’d love to draft OT Scherff & Center CamIrving…in rounds 1 and 2….
and resign Barksdale if possible. I’d take a QB early in the 3rd.1) OT – Scherff
2) OC – Cam Irving/Grasu?
3) QB – ????Maybe even pay Long an incentive based contract after we cut him.
Well is Scherff really that much better than
the next tier of OLinemen?
What about trading out of 10 and into the late
first round, and picking
up another 2nd or 3rd and then taking the best
two OLinemen and QB, and then you have
an extra premium pick for a LB or CB.w
vJanuary 2, 2015 at 1:19 pm in reply to: all 4 centers hurt? and other things about the 2014 OL #15322
wvParticipantI agree, WV…Rams need talent & youth on OL!
Fisher wil make the OL a position of strength this draft & FA.
Get many young HogMollies for Boo to play with.Remember last year? We all wanted to get better DBs(especially FS)…
and we brought in 5 new DBs(Joyner, MoAlex, Gaines, Roberson & Barron)
and it is now a position of strength(youth & talent). McD & McCleod got MUCH better this last year…
and know GWs defense much better. And GW has learned how to use his players better after some trial and error.
Fisher now has the OC & DC he originally chose and a talent base that is familiar with the O & D systems.Also, I want to see Bradford get one more shot with this better team around him…
but we need another QB to compete. I think Bradford beats everyone out and wins the starting spot.
Bradford’s ACL stuff is bad luck. ANY player’s ACL breaks….it’s just a twist of fate.
Great thing is though…in this 2015 draft…there is very good depth of interior OL.Well, i tend to agree with all that. I do
think Snisher will concentrate on the OLine
and i do think thats the last puzzle piece.So, the season will come down to Bradford’s body.
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vJanuary 2, 2015 at 11:02 am in reply to: all 4 centers hurt? and other things about the 2014 OL #15304
wvParticipantwv wrote:
i dont think Wells was ever
a particularly effective player for
any length of time.Well depends on what you mean by “length of time.”
He plays well when he comes back for the 2nd half of 2012.
He plays well enough for the 1st half of 2013. Or, he’s not the major problem in the 1st 4 games, when the line struggled some. But then I always thought that those 1st 4 games was due to the offense as a whole–they were playing a spread with young receivers PLUS their feature back could not run and everyone knew it (Richardson).
Long get injured all up. But he did not start out poorly. He actually grades out well for most of 2013. He was much MORE effective once they went to a play-action offense and away from that gawd-forsaken Richardson + baby receivers in a spread offense, but still.
If you mean Wells got hurt a lot, yeah he did.
But then. Their are only 2 years in the last 12 where the Rams OL is NOT hurt a lot–2003 and 2010. So is that Wells or the Rams OL curse?
Demoff btw says that OL injuries is the Rams achilles heel.
Well, i think we all agree with Demoff on that one.
Wells and Long were both ‘warriors’. Great
work ethics, great passion for the game,
smart players — but their bodies
just couldn’t hold up.I am not sure I am crazy about boudreau/fisher’s
leaning toward old-grizzled-vet-injured-linemen.
Linemen on the downside of their careers.
I guess that has worked in a lot of places,
but it dont work in St.Louis, apparently.I would like some fresh, young, stud-talent
on the Oline, Mr Boudreau.
And, I’m tired of ‘projects’ like
the soft Barrett Jones.w
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January 2, 2015 at 10:55 am in reply to: CBS Sports 920AM – Charlie Campbell 12-31-14 – he is a mock draft guy #15303
wvParticipantJanuary 2, 2015 at 10:43 am in reply to: CBS Sports 920AM – Charlie Campbell 12-31-14 – he is a mock draft guy #15299
wvParticipantBoy people are all over the map on
Mr Hundley. Seems like a boom or bust type.So, who wants to trade down
from the ten spot?
If they want OLinemen, seems
like they could trade down
and still get a couple of solid ones.
Or is there a Zack Thomas type guy
available at the ten spot?w
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January 2, 2015 at 10:30 am in reply to: all 4 centers hurt? and other things about the 2014 OL #15298
wvParticipantI think all of that sounds about right.
(though i dont think Wells was ever
a particularly effective player for
any length of time. Its always ‘somethin’
with Wells and with Jake Long)I’m not sure about Barksdale.
I dunno. If he needs that much
help then is he really a solid RT?Bottom line is, once again injuries
destroyed the offense.w
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wvParticipant“…After two largely quiet seasons, when he combined for 29 catches for 458 yards and four touchdowns, Quick had things clicking in 2014. His 25 catches, 375 yards, and three TDs all were career highs — and he did that less than 6 1/2 games…”
If u extend Quick’s stats out over a full season
itz about 800 yards and about seven TDs.Rams lost their LT to a serious injury,
Lost their QB to a serious injury,
Lost their big WR to a serious injury.Three key positions all on offense.
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wvParticipantDetailed analysis of left tackle technique, Scherff, over one hour.
At the very end in his summary, he mentions
what a guy like Zack Martin can do for an offense.
He mentions what the addition of a powerful Oline blocker
can mean for a Tony Romo or Matt Stafford.w
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wvParticipanthttps://www.popularresistance.org/breaking-ferguson-protesters-occupy-slpd-headquarters/
…twenty-five people in Ferguson, Missouri,are occupying the St. Louis Police headquarters. In the meantime, SLPD are busy chasing around a diversion march on the streets….January 1, 2015 at 10:09 am in reply to: Russ Lande explains why cutting ties with Bradford is best option for Rams #15209
wvParticipantOn Glennon
Ram43, reposting Jrry32
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Here’s jrry32…I will preface this by saying that I’m assuming that Winston, Mariota, and Cutler are not realistic options.
After them, I think Mike Glennon is our best option as the QB to put BEHIND Bradford. This is a kid that just turned 25 and at the end of his second season, he has 29 TDs to 15 Ints in just over a season worth of games/attempts. Young QBs tend to get better. Especially ones that played under two different HCs and under two different systems in their two years. I don’t know why the Bucs started Josh McCown this year but it was a colossal mistake. They should have stuck with Glennon for the season and saw what he could do.
I went back and reviewed all of Glennon’s starts this year on NFL Rewind and I don’t understand what they were thinking. He’s not a perfect QB. I’m not saying that I think he has elite potential. And to be entirely honest, I wasn’t overly high on him as a prospect.
That all said, he showed more than enough this year and last year for me to believe that he has a future in the NFL. As it stands now, I think Glennon offers an extremely similar skill-set to that of Nick Foles. I think his floor in this league is carving out a year as a Kyle Orton type player…great backup/decent enough spot starter. But I do think he has the upside to be a starting caliber QB…a player similar to what Carson Palmer was this year in Arizona.
I’ll tell you this, Glennon is a QB who would have no issues finding Tavon over the middle of the field. At 6’7″ 230, he’s able to see over the OL/DL without any issue and would actually be taller than all of our starting OLs.
On top of his height, Glennon has functional mobility in the pocket with good instincts and effective movement. He helps out his OTs by either delivering the ball at the top of his drop or climbing in the pocket to allow them to push the rush past him. Because of his size, he’s confident climbing the ladder and moving within the pocket to create space and buy time. Glennon also shows the ability to anticipate routes and throw to spots rather than his WRs. His timing on passes is good for a young QB and he generally is a sound decision maker. He also has a quick release for such a tall passer and has a good understanding of touch.
The negatives for Glennon are that he doesn’t have an outstanding arm. It’s adequate but some of the more difficult throws get a bit more air on them than you’d like. Glennon also isn’t very mobile. He’s able to buy time in the pocket with his feet, instincts, and technical skills but he won’t win many foot races and is no threat to run…although he does have enough mobility to improvise outside the pocket. On top of all this, his deep ball is inconsistent from game to game, he locks onto WRs at times, and his footwork needs cleaning up. His drops are a tad sloppy and methodical. He also can get sloppy with his feet in the pocket.
Still, watching this kid play, it left with a lot of disappointment in Lovie Smith…a coach I respect. I’ve seen QBs that just can’t hang in the NFL. Mike Glennon is not one of those guys. I see NFL skills in his game and I see starter potential. He has some of the most important qualities for the position and I think that Tampa Bay did themselves a disservice not seeing what he could offer.
But Tampa Bay has the #1 pick and is likely going to draft a QB. If they do that, they have no reason to keep Glennon. I think Glennon would definitely be worth trading a 5th for. He’d give us valuable depth behind Bradford and he’d give us a guy who actually has potential if Bradford goes down. Most of all, he’s a good scheme fit for our offense and a kid who still has upside that, imo, was mistreated by a new regime because he wasn’t their guy. That’s what got us Joe Barksdale and I’m hoping it’ll be what gets us Glennon because he’s our best option behind Bradford for the 2015 season(assuming what I said in the first sentence is true).
There are some Tampa Bay Rams fans on here that might disagree with my observations. And you guys are absolutely entitled to that. But I promise you this, I did take the time to watch him very closely.
=========================January 1, 2015 at 10:00 am in reply to: how do you see 2015? optimistic, pessimistic, neutral, wait-n-see? #15208
wvParticipantI’m optimistic, because i think they
can make the playoffs if they add
a couple of solid, HEALTHY Offensive Linemen.
And they have cap space so they ought to be
able to fill the Oline holes through free agency
and the draft. Sign a couple, draft a couple
and two of em oughta work out.A better OLine will lead to better running
and less pressure on the QB which means
fewer INTs and Forced fumbles, and more
big plays.IF they get a HEALTHY Bradford back they
can do more than just ‘make the playoffs’.
But thats a big If, obviously.So, if they do nothing more than fix
the Oline, i see ten wins.
If they fix the QB AND the Oline,
i could see them getting 11 or more.w
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wvParticipantthot these were inter esting
paragraphs.w
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“…But while the Rams are built to compete with the Seahawks from a defensive standpoint, offensively they might as well be light years away.
Let’s start at quarterback, because that’s the easiest distinction between the two teams. According to ESPN Stats & Information, Russell Wilson rushed for 849 yards in the regular season, which was 210 more than any other quarterback. As Terry Blount of NFL Nation recently wrote, “Based on the down distance and situation, Wilson’s runs added more than twice as many points to his team’s net scoring margin than any other quarterback.”
————–“…If the Rams are content with bringing back Sam Bradford at a reduced cost and keeping Brian Schottenheimer as offensive coordinator, then they better build up the O-line like Dallas did. They need an upgrade at center, guard and probably right tackle, which is tough to accomplish in one offseason. But if you can’t find an impact signal-caller, the next best thing is to build up the running game as much as possible and rely on a quarterback that won’t turn the ball over. The Chiefs reached the playoffs a year ago with this philosophy and nearly did so again in 2014 despite not one of their receivers catching a touchdown pass.
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wvParticipantAt this point, I would rather have Long’s cap space than Long.
His cap hit is 10.5 M. They would eat 2.5 M in dead money if they cut him or he retired, and that would mean 8 M in savings.
If he stays on the team with the same money, he has the 4th highest cap number.
Oh. Ok, well no way he’s worth ten million,
or eight million.Delete him now.
Make it so.My furnace only cost
me 80 dollars to fix
so I am going to eat
Pizza now, and
revel in
warm wild west virginia.w
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wvParticipant&wv wrote:
Silly idea? A possibly Good idea?
Any reason to think he
can still play football
at any position?Fisher said he could play LT, LG, RG, or RT. But he did not commit to him at all in his presser.
Just seemed like maybe he could be
a good mauling guard.w
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wvParticipantDan Dier Dorf
on the rams:
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Interesting guy. Thanks.
Maybe that guy should
call the plays.w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
Waitin for the furnace repair-man.
I cant think of him, without thinking of
piles of money burning in a furnace.You should do what we do in Maine. We never WAIT for the furnace repair guy. We provide free room and board for them. It can be a little inconvenient (“I never watch that. Here, give me the remote.”) But, he’s already there and ready to go at a moment’s notice.
If Ag would invent some kind of Fusion technology
instead of making scalloped potatoes,
maybe i would be
warm.Also, i think this would be a good
year to trade down.w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
Dak wrote:
Good question, wv. Man, that guy, he’s just a dirty player. There’s no getting around it.I cant think of Suh
without thinking of Bradford.
I cant think of Champ Bailey
without thinking of Torry Holt.I cant think of Dakasaurus
without thinking of
bacon-feldspar.Some things just go together.
Yes, i have a lot of time on my hands
today. Waitin for the furnace repair-man.
I cant think of him, without thinking of
piles of money burning in a furnace.w
vPretty much agree. Bacon-feldspar recently had to replace the AC and furnace. He’s still paying for it. It hurt to do, but had to be done, and long story short, my bedroom now gets cool air in the summer and heat in the winter.
Why dont we move to California
and live with Zooey?w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
Well i guess there wouldnt-a-bin a JakeLong
if there hadnt-a-bin a Jason Smith.w
vAnd there wouldn’t have been a Jason Smith if there hadn’t been an Alex Barron.
Connectshuns go back to the
big bang. Further even,
maybe.w
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wvParticipantGood question, wv. Man, that guy, he’s just a dirty player. There’s no getting around it.
I cant think of Suh
without thinking of Bradford.
I cant think of Champ Bailey
without thinking of Torry Holt.I cant think of Dakasaurus
without thinking of
bacon-feldspar.Some things just go together.
Yes, i have a lot of time on my hands
today. Waitin for the furnace repair-man.
I cant think of him, without thinking of
piles of money burning in a furnace.w
vDecember 31, 2014 at 12:22 pm in reply to: 9 of 11 drives ended in INTs — game winning opportunities #15122
wvParticipantwv wrote:
St. Louis had seven failed game-winning drive opportunities in 2014. Incredibly, nine of the 11 drives ended with an interception, including four picks returned for touchdowns….Again. I am lost on the algebra.
7 failed game-winning drive opportunities.
9 out of the 11 of those 7 drives ended in an interception.
Am I reading that right?
Well if you look at the chart you’ll get it.
“game winning opportunities” is a bigger
category than “drive”. Some of the game
winning opportunities included two or three “drives”.w
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wvParticipantI’m going to give it a couple more weeks
to digest what’s happened
and try to look at everything
with a cool head..This is a sports-message-board.
You can get banned for that sort of thing.w
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wvParticipantYeah, I agree. I think it was one of Snisher’s “win now” moves. They could afford it, and it was the teams best shot at getting (what they hoped would be) a high quality LT.
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Well i guess there wouldnt-a-bin a JakeLong
if there hadnt-a-bin a Jason Smith.w
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2009 2 35 James Laurinaitis LB
2009 3 66 Bradley Fletcher DB
2009 4 103 Darell Scott DT
2009 5 160 Brooks Foster2009 6 196 Keith Null QB
2009 7 211 Chris Ogbonnaya
wvParticipantThe League overturned Suh’s suspension —
but they still fined him 70K.So that means they dont buy Suh’s
assertion that his feet were numb and he couldnt
tell the difference between the ground and Rogers leg.So, the league did think Suh was ‘guilty’ cause
they fined him 70K.But…they lifted the suspension….because ?
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wvParticipantWell what can we say about the Jake Long
experiment, to this point ?Snisher’s biggest mistake?
Seemed like Jake would have some
good games and then a gawdawful one.
Just didnt have the speed and balance
anymore, it seemed, what with the
injuries and all.Should they have known better?
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wvParticipantJake Long at guard?
Silly idea? A possibly Good idea?
Any reason to think he
can still play football
at any position?w
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wvParticipantHazier akim? I assume he means Az Hakim. And he was twice the player tavon is at this point imo.
I dunno. What if Tavon was playing alongside
Faulk, Holt, Ike, Warner, etc ?w
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