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ParticipantThis issue raises all sorts of other thoughts.
In 2013, there were several linemen taken high in the 1st round and all but 1 struggled. In fact this summer, both Warmack and Cooper were still struggling.
That’s not the Rams way. Boudreau does things differently. And (I submit) for good reasons.
#1. Starting young OL immediately is not a universally good idea. As I said, all but one of the linemen picked in the top 10 last year, for example, struggled. That is probably because with increased emphasis on the passing game, the defense counters with increased emphasis on the pass rush, which in turn means that linemen need to be able to read defensive fronts and execute an array of protections–and they have to process all that quickly. Rookies will not always be good at that.
#2. The days of year to year OL continuity are over. Since 93, according to a study I posted here, teams on avg. replace 3.5 OL starters every 2 years. One response to that is to coach in flexibility. Notice for example that Person plays all 5 positions. GR plays 2. That means that in the short term their heads will be swimming but in the long term your line is better off.
#3. One way to handle the flexibility issue is to rotate linemen. Give the younger players some snaps, so they get a feel for it, but don’t just plop them in there to learn the hard way.
So we notice that instead of making a lineman struggle on a team that already lost 1 qb, they’re taking their sweet time with him. That’s not a bad thing, it’s a good thing–especially since they already provided for this scenario by signing Joseph.
The issue will be Long, not Robinson. But even then they have Saffold. It is a RARE team that is 3 deep at LOT. Long, Saffold, Robinson, and Person as the emergency utility guy. So they clearly thought about this.
Another thing this tells us is that Fisher is not acting like he is on a 3-year plan. He does things that favor future pay-off, not immediate pay-off. And for good reason–ownership backs him. Kroenke has owned teams before and his pattern is clear–he hires a proven vet coach or manager. He gives that guy time, and free rein (or, free reign…same thing). He does not sweat it if their are speed bumps on the way, as long as the team is clearly developing the right direction.
Fisher has a 5 year deal. He won’t be in trouble after year 3. It’s not SK’s way of doing things. So there is no make or break year 3.
I agree with all
that.They have the ‘talent’ now. The Players.
Will they stay ‘healthy’ is
the question for ‘talented’ teams.
If they can stay healthy they can compete
with any team in the West. In fact i think
they match up better with the West-teams
than teams like GreenBay.It will be interesting to see
if patience paid off with
Brian Quick btw.I am ready
for some
football.w
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ParticipantThat’s just great.
AP with a chip on his shoulder. I want to see a happy, quiet, bored and disinterested AP on Sunday.
Oh and I’m sorry but this whole “Sack City” thing? Hate it. It sounds like an ABC dramady about bag boys in a local supermarket. Ugh.
At least the Jets have “Sons of Anarchy” which is of course an FX show about a biker gang.
And since that show is taken–what about “Shark Tank”? That sounds intimidating. Or maybe “The Strain”. The “Under the Dome” defense. Okay–that last one fits but it is kinda dumb.
But who do you think AP would rather face? “Sons of Anarchy” or “Sack City”?
Something needs to be done about this immediately. Forget gameplans–get a better name.
Name for the Rams Defense?
…the scariest show on tv
is… “The Walking Dead.”What about ‘that’ for a name ?
Maybe not.
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vwv
ParticipantIt will be interesting to see how many
snaps Robinson gets in the game.
I dont really care who ‘starts’.w
vwv
ParticipantWell,
I for one, am
not going to look to owners
anymore as role models.
I may even take my Jerry Jones
poster off my wall.w
vSeptember 3, 2014 at 8:53 am in reply to: Poll: 89% Of Illegal Immigrants Would Prefer Path To Corporate Status #5930wv
ParticipantThe onion… both impresses and depresses… at the same time.
Yup. Much like Tom Tomorrow
who zooey willfully refuses
to post anymore.w
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Participant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
Brian S: “I was very comfortable (against Cleveland) calling plays with Austin. And that’s probably the biggest compliment I can give a quarterback. As a play-caller, if you’re comfortable calling plays, and you don’t have to sit there and worry, ‘Oh, I can’t do this, I can’t do that,’ that’s the sign that there’s a lot of respect and trust.”
——————————————I wonder if he was thinking about anyone in particular
there?w
vYou mean like Sanchez? Maybe.
I dunno. Maybe Clemens too.
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ParticipantBrian S: “I was very comfortable (against Cleveland) calling plays with Austin. And that’s probably the biggest compliment I can give a quarterback. As a play-caller, if you’re comfortable calling plays, and you don’t have to sit there and worry, ‘Oh, I can’t do this, I can’t do that,’ that’s the sign that there’s a lot of respect and trust.”
——————————————I wonder if he was thinking about anyone in particular
there?w
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ParticipantMy judgment will remain in reserve. I’ll give him half the season to dazzle and I do mean dazzle me based upon what we all were told he is.
Grits
Donald is probably my favorite draft pick
during the Snisher Era.
I think he’ll be a great playmaker
and game-changer, like Leanard Little
or Quinn.But he ‘is’ still just a rookie. He
hasn’t exactly reached his peak
yet, Grits.w
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Participant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
Thanks for all the info
over the years,
rambill.w
vSo what are tying to say?
That Rambill is old?!
Rude.
I suspect he was Posting Ram articles when
Fast Eddie, Team Builder and Smack Chick
were in Kindergarten.w
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Participanthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Keenum
Wiki “…Houston faced Air Force in a rematch of the previous year’s Armed Forces Bowl. However, this time, Air Force emerged victorious. In cold, windy conditions, Keenum threw 6 interceptions in the game, and was held to only one touchdown. Keenum finished the season, though, with over 5,800 yards of total offense and 48 touchdowns…
2010… Keenum tore his ACL during the Cougars’ third game of the season against UCLA…”
——————Six INTs in one bowl game. Not bad.
Apparently the lad is not afraid to keep winging it.w
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ParticipantI see you share no such concerns.
Vikes: 20 Rams: 16
Don’t shoot the messenger. I hope I’m wrong.
I’m usually wrong–for the record.
Look, Mack said ‘this is our year’
so if you insist on calling Mack
a Liar and a neer-do-well,
thats your business and
I’ll have no part in it.w
vwv
ParticipantThanks for all the info
over the years,
rambill.w
vwv
Participantwv, I don’t get a good feeling about this game.
I hope I’m wrong but I see the Vikes being able to control the football, running, quick passes–not having to expose Cassell to the pass rush very much.
I’m not sure what the Rams will be able to do on offense. They SHOULD be able to score on this defense. But I can see some inconsistency with Hill having to get into the flow of things. They may get more FGs than T.D.s.
I am concerned.
Hopefully I’m wrong.
Rams 31
Vikings 17w
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Participantwv
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a brief look at vikings / rams rivalry
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/9/1/6092571/minnesota-vikings-st-louis-rams-historyGoing back to the years when they were located in Los Angeles, the Minnesota Vikings and the (now) St. Louis Rams have had a pretty solid rivalry. In the late 70s, they matched up in the playoffs on numerous occasions. The rivalry certainly hasn’t been as fierce as it used to be, but with the two teams set to kick off the first week of the 2014 NFL season, it would appear that we’re in line for a good one here.
As we did last season, we’re going to take a quick look at the history between the Vikings and their opponents, courtesy of the folks from Pro Football Reference.
Total Games Between the Vikings and the Rams: 42 (35 regular season, 7 post-season)
All-time Regular Season Record: Vikings, 24-16-2 (Vikings hold 5-2 edge in post-season play)
Total Vikings points scored, head-to-head: 939 (22.4 points/game)
Total Rams points scored, head-to-head: 939 (22.4 points/game)
Longest Vikings’ winning streak vs. Rams: 6 games (20 September 1987 – 13 September 1998)
Longest Rams’ winning streak vs. Vikings: 4 games (15 October 1978 – 6 October 1985)
Most recent Vikings’ victory in St. Louis: 16 December 2012 (Final score 36-22)
Most recent Rams’ victory in St. Louis: 30 November 2003 (Final score 48-17)
Biggest Vikings’ victory at St. Louis: 28 points, 11 October 2009 (Final score 38-10)
Biggest Rams’ victory at St. Louis home: 36 points, 22 September 1967 (Final score 39-3, game took place in Los Angeles)
A couple of other things about the match-up.
-The Vikings are actually riding a two-game winning streak at the Edward Jones Dome. Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor combined for three touchdown runs in a 38-10 victory in October of 2009, and Peterson’s 212 yards rushing and Everson Griffen’s 29-yard pick-six led the way in a 36-22 Minnesota win in December of 2012.
-Those two games are also the only two times in his career that Peterson has faced the Rams, and he’s done fairly well for himself. He’s rushed for 275 yards on 38 carries (a 7.2 yard/carry average) and three touchdowns.
-Matt Cassel has not done as well, at least where stats are concerned. In two career games against the Rams, he has completed 36-of-62 passes (58%) for 451 yards, along with two touchdown passes and three interceptions. His team did win both games, however. . .a 23-16 victory when he was with the New England Patriots, and a 27-13 victory when he was with the Kansas City Chiefs.
-The Rams will be starting Shaun Hill at quarterback, who got his start in Minnesota and had spent the previous four years with the Detroit Lions. He hasn’t performed too badly, either, despite a 1-3 record against our favorite football team. He came in to relieve Trent Dilfer as a member of the 49ers in December of 2007, and performed incredibly well in a 27-7 Minnesota victory. He completed 22-of-27 passes for 181 yards and a touchdown that day. He was also the Niners’ quarterback in the Vikings’ 27-24 win at the Metrodome in 2009 (i.e. the “IT’S GREG LEWIS! OH MY HEAVENS! WELCOME TO MINNESOTA!” game). He saw the Vikings twice in 2010 as the quarterback of the Lions. The first game was a 24-10 Minnesota victory, and the second game saw Hill’s one win over Minnesota, as he defeated Joe Webb (LOL) and the Vikings 20-13 to mercifully end the 2010 season.
-Yes, even though the Vikings do hold an 8-game advantage in head-to-head record, these two teams have scored the same number of points against each other. The Rams haven’t had as many victories over the Vikings, but the ones they have had have tended to be a little bit larger.
And that’s a bit of a look at the history between the Minnesota Vikings and the St. Louis Rams. The Vikings have had the better of it over the years, and hopefully that will continue on Sunday at the Edward Jones Dome
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ParticipantJT: “… Keenum threw an NCAA record nine TD passes against Rice in 2011.
To put that in perspective,
during the entire 2011 season under coach Steve Spagnuolo, Rams quarterbacks threw nine TD passes.”
==================“To put that in perspective” ? Well, that
would be a pretty weird perspective
if you ask me.w
vwv
ParticipantI could be wrong, but Keenum
dont seem like a safe ‘game manager’ type.
Seems like a bit of a gunslinger.Is that a good match for this team?
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ParticipantBtw, how does Keenum know Brian Shottenheimer’s system?
He doesn’t. You misread. Probably deliberately. Just to cause trouble.
Ok, well then, How come he DOESNT
know Brian S’s system? Answer me that.Not everyone likes him, i see, btw:
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LaramSo sad that it has come to this for this once proud franchise.
Everybody all excited about an UDFA from that prodigious U of H quarterback factory, that has produced the likes of Kevin Kolb, David Klingler and Andre Ware.
Ugh
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Participant“…In Keenum, the Rams are getting a third-year player with some actual game experience, something current backup Austin Davis lacks. The Rams placed tight end Justice Cunningham on injured reserve with an ankle injury to make room for Keenum. Having Davis allows the Rams to have a backup who knows coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s offense and should also allow Keenum to take his time getting acclimated in St. Louis…”
Well, i think all the regulars Know,
i like mobile-QBs — so….YaY!Let the quarterback controversy
Begin.Btw, how does Keenum know Brian Shottenheimer’s system?
Goes without saying that is a BIG deal. Very important
attribute.w
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ParticipantPA Ram wrote:
They’re concerned about the circus coming to town with the first openly gay player trying to make an NFL roster. What circus, exactly? A little ESPN story about shower habits? That’s been the big controversy of the last four months with Sam.This sounds exactly right. Meaning that yes that’s what teams are thinking.
And IMO it’s a cover story. The real issue is they themselves can’t handle the idea of a gay player.
Well they would handle it if he were a star player, though.
He’s a borderline talent, though. If he were a Chris Long or an Ogletree,
they would sign him.The NFL is not ready for borderline-gay-players.
Which of course, is not fair.
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ParticipantWell, he just seems like a borderline talent
to me. And given that he’s a borderline talent
i think the gay-thing (“he’ll be a distraction”)
probably scares off a lot of coaches/GMs.Jackie Robinson wasnt a borderline talent.
Ya know.w
vwv
ParticipantWell, we dont have many actual facts
in the McDonald case. There’s no video
like in the elevator case.
Might be a ‘he said, she said’ case —
folks often have a ‘reasonable doubt’
in them there type cases.w
vwv
ParticipantChamp Bailey was released by the Saints,
i see.w
vwv
ParticipantSeems to me, ‘IF’ the Dolphins are indeed
using Unicorns, that would violate league drug-policy.Its a well-known-fact that Unicorn powder
is a way to beat drug-tests and has a
steroid-like effect as well.http://www.unicorn-dream.co.uk/unicorn2.html
“There are in India certain wild asses which are as large as horses, and larger.
Their bodies are white, their heads are dark red, and their eyes dark blue.
They have a horn on the forehead which is about eighteen inches in length.
The dust filed from this horn is administered in a potion
as a protection against deadly drugs.”w
vwv
ParticipantI need to know more about
his showering habits
before I can evaluate him.w
vwv
Participant“Who’s next?: Opening day is just ten days away, and the Rams will prepare to host the Minnesota Vikings, whose last visit here was quite memorable. Adrian Peterson ran for 212 yards and single-handedly steamrolled the Rams, 36-22…
The weird thing about the Vikings’ last visit was that Peterson rolled up the mega-yardage despite starting the game with only 8 yards on his first 8 carries…
…The Vikings, for instance, had the #31 defense overall…”
—————————Hard to imagine the Rams having a winning season
if they cant win a home game against
a team like the Vikings.w
vwv
ParticipantSo which what gets the wet dick in the ear?
Would that be the 2nd string punter? Samantha Bee didn’t make that clear in her report…
If you haven’t seen the Daily Show piece, then watch it…
The Stewart excerpt from “Boys will be Boys” got me interested in the book.
Its about the 90’s Cowboys.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/58932-boys-will-be-boys-book-review
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Participantjoemad wrote:
I predict 6-10.As good and solid as Stacy was last year with the running game and how good the defensive line can be, the RAMS need to stop to the run and they haven’t in years. Also, with a QB like Shawn that doesn’t have the arm strength or accuracy like Bradford, the margin of error in all phases need to be minimal…. this team seems to get flagged a lot.
I still haven’t forgotten the back-to-back games against Dallas and SF last year… that was ugly, and that had nothing to do with Sam Bradford, and he played in those games.
the RAMS do start off with a soft schedule and can gain some momentum for the season.
one of the many things I like and seen about Fisher is he game plans well for the entire season and gets the most from his young squad and With Clemmens, I was surprised they finished 7-9 last year.
Well, I think the Rams can stop the run. As has been pointed out here, the Rams were the best team against the run over the second half of last season and barring injury this defense looks to be an improvement over last year’s unit.
If they can finish 7-9 with Clemens then I see no reason why they can’t finish 9-7 with Hill. Hill is a much better passer and he has an overall better team around him than Clemens had.
Looks to me, like the two question marks are:
1 OLine Health — can Jake, Saffold, and Wells stay healthy?
2 Secondary — Its young and without T.JohnsonHill to me isn’t even a question mark. I think he’ll be fine. Solid, workmanlike, ‘good-enough’
for 9-7.w
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ParticipantBernie: 5. There’s no turning back. This is a market-driven culture, and a market-driven nation. And though you may not be personally interested in the progress of a 7th round draft choice who is openly gay — it doesn’t mean you get to decide what everyone else wants to hear about, read about, and watch. It doesn’t work that way, sorry. So here’s what you do with anything that displeases you: ignore it. Totally, completely and without exception. And get over it and accept the reality that other people will follow that which interests them — just as you have the right to do the same.
—————-Nah. Sometimes you ‘ignore it’
but sometimes its ok to
Criticize it.Like in the article, Bernie
didnt ‘ignore’ Fisher’s reaction —
he criticized it.w
vwv
ParticipantI ‘get’ that view, but the flip-side
is they just lost their starting QB
and they play in the toughest division in the NFL.So, i dunno. What is ‘realistic’ at this point?
I dunno.
Maybe a team that fights-like-hell,
and brings a ferocious crazed-dog-defense
and efficient offense, and skilled
special teams. I think fans would
appreciate that. Maybe.w
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