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zn: “…And no I do not think AD has superior pocket sense to Bradford or Hill. I think they are all about equal, and if anything Hill is somewhat better. I think what happened was, AD got put in a better position. Lots of things came together at the same time…”
===========================Well, i tend to disagree with all that. I’m not sure, but based on what little ive seen,
i think AD has a more advanced “SET-OF-Pocket-and-NONpocke-Skills” than Bradford.All the points you listed just relate to the ‘minimum requirements’ for showing
a quarterbacks ‘set of pocket and nonpocket skills’. Yes, you need
coaching and an OLIne and Weapons, and confidence and practice, etc.
But once you have that — the set-of-pocket-and-nonpocket-skills is going
to be on display. That set of skills is not “on or off” its more like a scale of one to ten.I think AD has more highly developed pocket and nonpocket skills/attributes
than Bradford. But, again, this is a tentative view. Its a small
sample of work from AD. But so far, I like what i see.At any rate, i like what they have at QB.
Bradford, AD, and an experienced vet in Hill.
Add another kid next year, and QB looks good.w
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ParticipantThe team wasn’t ready to play so far. That’s easier to understand when you have a roster full of rookies, but we’re past that point. These second year players were playing well by the end of last year.
Some teams are always ready coming out of the gate…so far not this team. Sure they’ll turn it around…but why not use the pre-season to iron out some of them things that we spend the first 25 percent of the season ironing out.
Well, Bradford was out, of course. Had to affect
the timing on the offense.And the defense? I dunno. I assume itz
got somethin ta do with GW.w
vwv
Participantwv wrote:
How do we describe Austin D’s ‘arm’ ?Has he got a popgun arm?
How does it compare with other QBs
in the NFL?How has his deep ball looked?
w
vYou know most of the things he lists? The pocket stuff for example. It was simply not true of the Vikes game. He took sacks, he seemed to have bad pocket sense, and so on.
He himself said the difference between week 1 and week 2 was simply being coached to stay in rhythm and get plays off. People want to make these into completely and entirely “you got it or you don’t” attributes of the qb, but a lot of it comes from a dynamic set up by the coach. So the Davis we are praising, for a lot of reasons, was not there in game 1. He himself says that coaching is a key difference between game 1 and the next 2 games.
I might add that from the bit I saw in the Vikes game, all 5 points apply directly to Hill as well. They are being coached to play like this.
Well, you always seem to dismiss any ‘pocket presense’
or ‘pocket attributes’ stuff.Do you not think some QBs have better
“pocket attributes” (for laack of a better term)
than others?I know one thing — the kid
felt pressure
and
extended the play
and
zipped an accurate strike to a receiver
three times in that Dallas game.
I dont think Bradford could
have done that.
Though, Bradford of course may
have done ‘other’ things
better than AD.w
vwv
ParticipantHow do we describe Austin D’s ‘arm’ ?
Has he got a popgun arm?
How does it compare with other QBs
in the NFL?How has his deep ball looked?
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ParticipantCosell doesn’t appear to be too hard on the Rams D there. More like a perfect storm; a bunch of people at the wrong place at the wrong time at the wrong play having made the wrong move. I remember being nothing but infuriated.
Do you still have hope for this D
to be good and consistent
this year?w
vwv
ParticipantHe talks about the Romo to Dez play
at the end.w
vwv
ParticipantThanks. Interesting. Not a bad way to look at it.
–Mike“Interesing. Not a bad way to look at it.” ??
Trying to start a
Board-War, eh.w
vwv
ParticipantDallas game was a bitter loss.
Year 3 is supposed to mean superbowl
or bust.Well, i’m sure there are
bitter wins
on the horizon.w
vSeptember 25, 2014 at 4:00 pm in reply to: Rams coach Jeff Fisher says running back split will continue/Wagoner #8457wv
ParticipantI like the three back system,
as long as there are
three good backs.These guys aint exactly
Csonka, Kiick and Mercury Morris,
but they looked good against Dallas.w
vwv
ParticipantHerzog wrote:
What I like about Davis this year….very high pocket awareness. Also, he can read defenses and he knows this offense like the back of his hand. He knows what he’s doing out there.You know it;s interesting about pocket awareness. He had absolutely none when he came in cold in the Vikes game. In fact I thought most if all the sacks he took were on him. Then he’s better (though the Vikes have more of a defense than Dallas or Tampa). You know what HE attributes it to? Staying in rhythm. Dropping, planting, throwing. He said that all week after the Vikes game, the coaches stressed that — stay in rhythm. Yet we see it as this quality of the qb’s psyche. Meanwhile, on top of it, to drop and throw you have to trust your receivers. If you don’t you have to compensate somehow for it, for example by bailing on the pocket or holding the ball waiting for a play. It really is amazing how much we put on the qb that isn’t really the qb.
Well i dont know exactly what any of us means by ‘pocket awareness’
but i know that this kid has made three or four “escape and throw” plays
that were impressive. I love it. The ‘extend the play” thing.Its an attribute. A quality. I like it.
He also throws INT’s over the middle.
I hope that is not an attribute. I dont like it.w
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Participantno joke, would love to see more of those from Mr. Dubya V
Well, i suppose i could ‘Replay’ the great
battle of 1998 between the Rams and Eagles.
Or perhaps one of Tony Banks
earlier masterpieces.w
vSeptember 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm in reply to: "Human intelligence may do more harm than good on an evolutionary scale" -Stephe #8345wv
ParticipantYep. Cavemen with nukes.
Michio Kaku:
Well, yeah, talking monkeys with technology.
A cosmic experiment.Its inter esting to me that Michio Kaku
didnt use the word ‘love’ once in his talk.
He used the word science a gazillion times.
Just thot that was interesting.w
vwv
ParticipantThe level of disparity is so blatant that it defies logical explanation.
Look at the pictures. The refs can’t say they didn’t see it when they are clearly watching the QB for “points of emphasis” like Personal Fouls and Unnecessary Roughness and Roughing The Passer.
It’s either GROSS negligence or WILLFUL negligence.
Either way, the NFL is in a sorry state.
And it’s not just the Rams.
Anyone see the Pats/Raider game? The Raiders should have taken that game to overtime, but the Raiders were given the game when on the final Raiders TD endzone drive, an OL got called for a holding that’s the farthest thing from holding. It was a textbook pancake block.
Here’s the problem. This isn’t like the replacement refs where they made mistakes and looked lost. These calls are specifically influencing the outcomes of games and it’s not even subtle anymore. This is overt. It’s like the league is panicking. “Oh God! We can’t let the Cowboys go 1-2 Not to the Rams! They’re down 21-0! Shit! Step in. You know what to do…”
And as stupid, lame and as far-fetched as that sounds, it explains things FAR better than any of the idiotic stammering, hemming and hawing and flop sweating the Refs have done in games where these calls have happened.
I half expect some NFL lackey to break loose with a memo at this point…
There is hubris in the NFL and where there is hubris, there is soon to be a fall from great heights…
Well, the Refs missed a call against the Rams that would have overturned the first Dallas turnover.
I thought the call against Simms for roughing was wrong, but i could see how a Ref might miss
that one, since it was close, and in real time that one might be hard to see.I dunno Mack, I thought the key to the game was
the Wells bonehead-play,
the McCleod? bonehead play on Dez,
the 4th and inches Failure
and AustinD’s panicky-INT, and
JJ’s Pass-Interference on Dez.Lots of great plays by the Rams,
but lots of bonehead ones, too.w
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Participant327 yard passer with a 98 QB ratiing and 3 TD passes
121 rushing yards.
I’ll take that any day.
If we can get the defense squared away this could still be a hell of a season.
Grits
Yes, the offense has been intriguing. But Dallas had a huge weakness
at Linebacker (two starters out) and Brian S and Austin D exploited it
masterfully. But I still wanna see how the O performs against the tough
NFC West defenses. So far, the offense is cause for optimism.I’ve only watched the first half so far, but Austin D was
impressive in the first half.w
vwv
ParticipantWell…This thread is rather pointless now. But for those who didn’t see it there was a nasty fight in the stands. Women were throwing punches…guys falling downstairs…blood…ejections…A real mess.
So. This was your sinister attempt
to sneak a Jerry Springer thread
onto this Oprah board.Well, as you can see,
your plot was foiled.w
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“Oooooh you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark, I was born in it….molded by it…..I didn’t see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding! The shadows betray you…because they belong to me.”
Batmanwv
ParticipantThese calls seem to have been consistently bad in a couple of the games this season…
OK – hastily concocted conspiracy theories aside -I’m thinking all Ram fans needed a hug yesterday – even the bad ass ones. And, I had to hug myself – that’s not right.
Apparently its not a penalty to
Hug Robert Quinn, continuously.w
vwv
ParticipantI think James Harris should start.
No wait, I mean Jaworski.
Not Haden though ; he’s too short.…What if Hill starts and
throws for 400 yards —
what then?w
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Participant“video removed by user”
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ParticipantHe can apologize to a lot of people at once using social media
but it doesn’t mean much IMO unless he apologizes in person.
And maybe a
hug.Maybe its not his
fault.
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September 22, 2014 at 6:05 pm in reply to: This is what happens to teams that are poorly coached. #8251wv
ParticipantIs it fair to say Greg Williams was outcoached
in two of the three games so far?Plenty of points given up in those games.
Not a lot of takeaways by the D.
Only one sack.Has GW been outcoached twice now?
Yes? No?
Too simplistic a statement?
Maybe its the Personnel? Injuries?
Youth? Players not suited to scheme?Seemed like GW did pretty well last
year with the Titans.I dunno.
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ParticipantI’m not happy.
I’ve already decided to punish the Rams by not watching them next Sunday.
Kind of a one week boycott.That is unforgivable.
You are Unforgiven.w
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Little Bill Daggett: I don’t deserve this… to die like this. I was building a house.Will Munny: Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.
[aims gun]
Little Bill Daggett: I’ll see you in hell, William Munny.
Will Munny: Yeah.
September 22, 2014 at 12:23 pm in reply to: This is what happens to teams that are poorly coached. #8235wv
ParticipantI don’t see Fisher on the hotseat yet. I think he/his staff has to do something about the mental mistakes and penalties though. I know the Rams are a young team, but I need to see some improvement.
What do you think of Austin Davis so far?
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ParticipantWell, I’d say the Eagles game is
a “big game.” Yes?How will the Fisher-script
look?Will it be a story of improvement
and adjustment like last year.Or will the Rams defense be mistake-prone
and the team look undisciplined and lost.Or, some other story.
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I mean, it almost looks like the Quarterback
issue is the LEAST of their problems — who
would have thot ‘that’ ?If they get routed after two weeks to prepare,
I’m gonna start watching Oprah on sundays.w
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LMU93 — The Little Things Add UpThe 2nd 4th and 1 call.. Good decision to go for it. Bad call on a slow developing counter play..
Two bad PIs..
A terrible call on the roughing the QB on Sims. Just an awful call..
Wells botched snap. He continues to be the weak link of their offense.
The drop by Cook.. I knew right there they were losig that game.
But to me THE MOST baffling thing about this team is having one QB sack in 3 games.. I don’t know what is happening there.. They consistently rushed/blitzed with 5-6 guys and got absolutely nowhere. Stonewalled most plays. As bad as the blown coverage was on the TD to Bryant the lack of pass rush hung them out to dry too. This team isn’t 1-2 because Bradford got hurt. They’re 1-2 mainly because the defense hasn’t performed nearly up to expectations. The run defense was MUCH better yesterday- in fact almost dominant apart from the 20 and 44 yard runs. But again the lack of almost any pressure on opposing QBs is baffling to me….
I’ll also say I really like what Davis has done at QB. The kid deserves a ton of credit. He’s limited but he’s tough, he’s emotional, gutsy, the team responds to him, and he moves around really well. I think Bradford gets sacked 5-6 times yesterday in that game.. I hope Fisher sees the offense flying around Davis and lets him keep playing.
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ParticipantI want an apology from the defense and the refs…and I want a Jerry Springer quote.
“Even Oprah could hold
a 21 point lead.”
Jerry Springerw
vSeptember 21, 2014 at 9:27 pm in reply to: A QB controversy and a Tight-End controversy: game reactions #8142wv
ParticipantSeptember 21, 2014 at 9:24 pm in reply to: A QB controversy and a Tight-End controversy: game reactions #8140wv
Participantyeah. i actually had just posted something similar. davis playing well and all is great. but he’s been bolstered by the running game.
bradford played very well when he had that running game going. so people shouldn’t be going way overboard with this. i wanna see how he performs when it’s all on him.
Well it sounds like we kinda know how
he performs when its “all on him” —
he throws INTs. A lot like Romo,
actually.w
vSeptember 21, 2014 at 9:23 pm in reply to: A QB controversy and a Tight-End controversy: game reactions #8138wv
ParticipantWell, last year the season started with the 5th game. Maybe the bye week changes that?
Well, if this is preseason game 3,
then i think they should rest the starters
next game.w
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ParticipantI am never forgiving wv for quoting Oprah on a football board.
Oprah could hold a 21 point lead.
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