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wvParticipant… for me, the real diagnosis has little to do with freak big plays and far more to do with team discipline. A competitively disciplined team with the defensive talent we had would not have lost those winning positions against DAL and SF…
That’s what I hold Fisher responsible for.I think Fisher has a lot of virtues as a coach. He’s good with players. He doesn’t panic when things go bad. I think he has a quality vision of winning football.
But I have yet to see him run a Ram team out there that had its shit together and said to its opponents, “You’re going to have to beat us. We ain’t gonna beat ourselves.” That’s a pretty damning indictment of a head coach.
Well, one thing I ‘think’ we disagree on is the…oh..I’ll just call it the “trajectory of the defense.”
I saw a team that was lost early on, on defense — but got better. I saw a ‘trajectory of improvement.’
So that is promising, i think. Leads me to be optimistic. I think the D might carry this team further this year
based on what i SAW last year. Were there still problems on defense? — yes, definitely. But the arrow seemed to pointing up.Yes? No? Not sure ?
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vwvParticipantBrett Favre in between Butkus and Otto?
I dunno that I’d have him that high.
Heck I might put Bulger on the list.
He played with broken ribs.w
vwvParticipant“Where do you stand on Fisher as of now”?
I’m standing on his neck, I think.
Yelling, quite loudly, ” Now! Now is the time to put together a winning season, and a playoff berth”!
Very excited when they hired him, <nobr>great expectations</nobr> for sure. The past is what it is, I guess. I can forgive the losing seasons where injuries certainly had a <nobr>major impact</nobr> on the ability to win. Starting QB lost for almost 2 seasons, OL getting hit hard. Timing was bad, as well. The injuries happened at a time when the division was going from weak to very strong. Mebbe in a weaker division the injuries would not hurt quite as bad. Dunno about that either. <nobr>Hindsight</nobr> being what it is, acknowledged.
I am slightly concerned about the various opinions of him being ” too soft”, and an average 8-8 coach, though. I do like a coach that creates a good locker room, and is well liked and respected by the players. More so than a <nobr>disciplinarian</nobr>.
If they are able to get through this season injury free, then I guess the Emporers clothes will be there (or not) for all to see, and we’ll have a better understanding of where the team really is.
They’ve got a good base, I think. My glass is always half full, so I am looking forward to a decent season.
But still, with my boot on his neck.
As far as the “too soft” thing — I remember Dick Vermeil saying he didnt know how he
could be an effective coach if he were coaching under these new rules, because
the Rules dont really allow that ‘old school’ approach anymore. So,
I’m not sure Fisher is really doing things all “that” much different
from the other coaches. I think the differences may be overblown just a bit.w
vwvParticipantI think the injuries to his starting QB
two years in a row just make it impossible
to really vote up or down on Fisher.But like i said in the other post, he went out
and got himself a new QB. and he drafted
a Fisher-OLine, and so, now….we will see.Barring catastrophic injuries 🙂
As I’ve said before though, I KNOW Fisher
can build a “winner”. I know he can build
a “Playoff team”. An ornery, tough, playoff team.But can he win a RING ? Or is he another
Shotenheimer or KNox ? Good but not Great.I dunno.
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vwvParticipantSun can you name a team that doesn’t play hard?
Obviously Philly was ALSO playing hard…they won the game.
That’s not an anomaly.
Against the Rams last year I would put the Raiders Washington and Broncos in that category. All of those teams played tough at times but not against the Rams. I am not impressed with Fisher. I see him as an 8-8 guy that gets lucky sometimes but damn would I love to be proven wrong.
I’m ok with Fisher so far. I’m not thrilled but I’m ok with him.
Mainly because its just hard to fault a coach when the Starting QB
of a really young team
gets knocked out two years in a row.But he went out and got Foles and drafted ‘his’ OLine — so,
we’ll see.I’m expecting to see a playoff team this year,
with a top 7 defense.
Themz iz my expectations.w
vwvParticipantThis kind of thing makes me smile, fwiw.
Doesn’t guarantee improvement, obviously,
but it does ‘suggest’ reason for hope, I think:From the Joyner article:
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What was the hardest part about his rookie campaign?“Just adapting. Just learning the system. Just coming from a successful year at the college level and you think you know everything and you’re just on the wrong path, you need to get adjusted,” Joyner said. “Coach (Gregg) Williams was a great example of molding me out of that and molding me into the young man I am now.”
What the 5-foot-8, 184-pound defensive back is now is a player who is far more aware of what he is doing in the Rams’ defensive scheme, a player fighting for snaps among the team’s cornerbacks and a player who has earned some praise for his play so far during OTAs.
“I feel like my approach is different and that’s probably coming from the more understanding I have, the more wisdom I have and just knowing what I’m doing,” Joyner said. “Instead of running out there like a blind dog in a meat house and you don’t know which way to go, I know what I’m doing, so now I can pretty much contribute to the defense.”
How much different does Joyner feel now within the defense than he was a year ago as a rookie second-round pick? Joyner said the coaches have used the words “light years” to describe the difference.
wvParticipantFive pounds of muscle a week?
I dunno. Is that possible?
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vwvParticipantWhats your take on Janoris Jenkins?
You probably won’t like my take, which I have offered before.
I think Jenkins is talented, but itchy. He plays best when he is aggressively up in a Man relationship to a receiver. He’s pretty damn good in that role, I think.
When he’s back off the guy, he gets restless and he will bite on double moves. He’ll cheat up, try to jump short routes, and let guys get behind him.
In other words, he doesn’t really match Williams’ system. Williams apparently wants to play off and contain to facilitate his blitzes. That requires disciplined CBs. JJ is a poor fit for that role.
I cant say I disagree with that. Though, I’m not sure.
He’s got so much raw talent…but i dunno about him.
I’m not sure about Tru Johnson, either.I think they will draft a CB high next year.
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vwvParticipantThe 49ers had the next biggest variance, and then the Colts.
As a moderator, I am forced to reprimand you for faulty chart reading.
The next biggest was the Bengals. Then SF, then the Colts.
Where did you get your football metric chart reading skills, a cracker jack box?
BTW here’s how many top 10 defenses the Rams played in 2014: Seattle, Seattle, SF, SF, Denver, Phil. They won half those games.
Well in general would you agree that GW runs a very ‘risky’ defense? High risk high reward — that kind of system?
People have said that for a long time about GW defenses. But then he has orchestrated a few top 5 defenses. One thing I liked about last year is that minus the coverage mistakes that led to Big Boneheaded Passing TDS (BBPTD) the safety play was good as anything we have seen in years.
Whats your take on Janoris Jenkins?
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vwvParticipantinterestingly enough if you click on that link. there’s a category called “VAR” which measures variance. the rams? ranked 32nd in that category. the LEAST consistent defense in the nfl.
that’s their biggest problem right there. they’re young though. and they’re FINALLY in the same system for the second year in a row. i don’t take that lightly. maybe it’s not a big deal. i think it’s a big deal though.
The 49ers had the next biggest variance, and then the Colts.
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vwvParticipantMistakes can be divided into two categories. The big mistakes that kill you and the mistakes that happen over and over again and kill you. I think it would be easier to correct the reoccurring mistakes, unless the same big mistakes are reoccurring.
Well in general would you agree that GW runs a very ‘risky’ defense?
High risk high reward — that kind of system?And in general, do you ‘like’ that kind of defense as opposed
to what might be called a ‘sounder’ safer defensive scheme?w
vwvParticipantIt’s good to hear acknowledgements of the problems beyond big plays.
But, no one goes around not acknowledging those other issues. It’s much more the case that we intepret them and their significance differently.
OK, I guess I am confused here.
I see a thread discussing 1 factor. Only 1.
I think A) it’s the wrong single factor, B) it won’t in itself change much and C) the board discussion rarely discusses the issues that I DO think are the keys.
Might others see those factors as well? Sure. I dunno. All I know is what IS actually discussed.
There’s this weird thing here. WV says we don’t disagree. You say everyone sees all of what I am talking about. Yet I can’t, after almost a year of trying, get a discussion going of the stuff that seems to me to be crucial. You say it’s because people see it but interpret differently. OK. But that would make more sense to me if I were seeing a discussion that engaged these things.
Well, whatever. In some weird way, we see the same things and we really don’t, and, at least to me, the differences matter.
Well, I still say we dont disagree on much of the substantive stuff.
I just think we have different posting styles, writing-styles, that sort of thing.
I totally agree the defense needs to be more ‘systemically sound.’
I think the reason that doesnt get hashed out a lot on the board is simply
because most of us dont know enough about the X’s and O’s to say much
about ‘how’ that should happen.The first game will be a nice test for the D. They’ll have to
stop Marshawn and contain Russell Wilson. We’ll see.w
vwvParticipantUm, the failures of the defensive unit last year were NOT just about big plays. They just weren’t.
Beginning in training camp and continuing through the first quarter of the season, the defense couldn’t get off the field for long stretches. They couldn’t get to the QB. They played soft coverage and conceded possession throw after possession throw with minimal resistance.
They also couldn’t stop the run for long stretches at a time. Not just a few big runs, but repeatedly. Soft deployments, conceded running lanes.
The thesis that the problem lay just in a few anomalous big plays simply does not account for the facts.
My perception and memory, of course. But I’m pretty confident in my memory of all this. I certainly posted about it all obsessively enough. I understand that my view is out of step with the loose consensus on the board. But I simply feel it’s important to attest to patterns of breakdown that were pretty debilitating.
Well I only said I was confident they’d “make the playoffs” — not,
be a top team or elite team. Playoffs just means 9 or 10 wins these days.If they only eliminate the big melt-down plays, i think they can get three or four more wins.
Now, to be a real threat to win it all ? — Sure they’d have CONSISTENTLY stop the run, etc, and so forth.
So, I doubt we really disagree on this.
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vwvParticipantHe went from the 280’s to 308 just since hes
been with the Rams?I dunno. That seems like a lot of weight
to gain so fast.w
vwvParticipantI am totally ok with starting a couple
young, healthy, big, heavy, maulers
on the OLine.Just keep it simple,
and play the Lombardi way
and execute.w
vwvParticipantI’m curious to see
what they have in Mr. Ayers.I’m hoping its one of those
under-the-radar signings that pays
big dividends — like Mike Jones.w
vwvParticipantsome of THE worst stories i can think of
are…Bail stories.The poor sit in jail,
the rich and middle-class
go free.Capitalism.
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vwvParticipantexcellent interview with bell hooks
http://people.tribe.net/kilpatrick/blog/6e503462-9021-401d-9acf-2e5b296f63b0wvParticipantRobinson, who has slimmed down to 319 pounds from a high of 339 last year, said he felt like he made significant strides in the offseason. Saffold agreed with his teammate’s assessment.
“I watched him get a lot stronger,” Saffold said. “I watched him pay a lot of attention to what we did just in our own time in film study, those types of things..”Is that a good thing to lose twenty pounds ?
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vJune 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm in reply to: This could definitely be the best defense in NFL in 2015 #25955wvParticipantFisher has to reign Williams in the way Vermeil did with Martz.
Jenkins has to stop being Jenkins.
THAN I think we might have something.This is gonna be the Rams best year
in a decade.The pieces are in place.
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wvParticipantI don’t know, man. Wouldn’t you think one would have to be brain damaged to play for the 49ers in the first place?
So Isaac Bruce is brain damaged?
At the time, yes, poor Isaac was brain-damaged.
Then he got better.
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vwvParticipantCool, I can talk about movies here. I saw it and it was a great film, however I took my pregnant wife and that might have been a mistake.
I went with a friend of mine, and she
described it as “boring beyond belief.”So, its not for everyone.
I enjoyed it, myself, but i am a sucker
for apocalyptic distopia stories.w
vwvParticipantStill one of my favorite movies.
Even though the sharks scenes when it was
OUT of the water were pretty bad. They
just didnt have the special effects back then.w
vwvParticipant“I grew up in the Bay Area, so I was a big Niners fan,” Garcia said.
But that was then. Now he’s wears a blue and gold Rams cap at work.
“Hey, this is my new favorite team,” he said.Thats gotta gall, hardcore 49er fans,
I would think.w
vJune 5, 2015 at 4:38 pm in reply to: This could definitely be the best defense in NFL in 2015 #25888wvParticipantDepends on the offense. If they can move the chains, and avg just a few more points per game, then sure, this D could be one of the best.
But they won’t be the best. They’re not that good.
If Foles plays well, the WRs step up, Quick stays healthy, Bailey gets his head out of his ass and doesn’t get suspended, and the running game is decent, and they don’t turn the ball over, then ok, we’ve got ourselves a Defense.
I think the D could be top five
or even number 1. Its not unreasonable
to think that could happen.The offense though? — it could be… 31, 23, 17, 11….
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vwvParticipantI think this roster has some questions – to be sure…but man, this looks like the strongest roster/depth wise
the Rams have had in over a decade. It’s on Foles to just play his part and we’ll do well and compete for the division. imo
I even think they can overcome the youth at the OL spots…just as long as they run the ball and keep it close with the defense.
Foles is more than competent to run this offense very well. imoAre you ready
for some football,
Mr Suntzu-Camus?w
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“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
– Sun Tzu, the Art of War“Blessed are the hearts that can bend; they shall never be broken.”
― Albert CamuswvParticipantWell if the Mayo Clinic docs think he can play,
I would have let him try to play.w
vJune 4, 2015 at 7:56 pm in reply to: Yikes: Zac Stacy looks back on his infamous draft day tweet #25847wvParticipanti love zac stacy. sorry to see him ago.
i’ll be rooting for him. i hope he starts for the jets week 1.
i’m glad that he meant it to be humorous. that was the perfect one word tweet for that pick. at least coming from him.
Agreed.
…I’ll never understand what exactly happened to him though.
I really thought he showed a LOT that first year. Then…not so much.w
vwvParticipantBy the way, I think I saw you on a Dr Phil marathon last week.
My dog is tired – he worked hard this afternoon helping me mow the yard for a couple hours by following my lawn tractor every foot of the way and sniffing every bush multiple times.
Yes, I was on Dr Phil, arguing that
everyone – Owners, Players, homeless people, and farm dogs — should
have access to the exact same health care.Anyway what kind of dog do you have and is he/she/it
a Ram fan?I once had a Malamute that peed on a
Los Angeles Ram pennant, I had left on the floor.
I’m not sure what to make of that.w
vwvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue;”>from off the net</span>
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dont know how many people heard this, but the Fast lane was talking about how in Gurleys 3 years at Georgia, not 1 Georgia O-lineman was drafted.
Maybe, but in the hi-lite vids he is often running through
huge holes.w
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