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    The Amy Trask interview… was…um…interesting: Cool-Corporate-shark vs Emotional-celebrity-Homer.

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    in reply to: Rams currently scheduled to pick 10th in NFL draft #16607
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    The Story of Algebra, Part 1. What is Algebra?

    s

    Snisher needs to solve for X,
    where X = QB.

    Also need to solve for C
    and G. C and G = X, too.

    3 Xs

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    in reply to: Rams currently scheduled to pick 10th in NFL draft #16603
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    You are getting pretty good at this posting stuff, with links and videos and stuff. What is next? Algebra?

    in reply to: Saffold surgery is a success… (plus alliteration) #16599
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    And you know what? Fisher has not yet been able to change that. Everyone says he wants a power running game. But he STILL hasn’t built an OL that can support his vision.
    He owns that.

    Well, I think the biggest failing of Snisher was
    the Jake Long decision. There was a lot of discussion
    about that signing and a lot of posters were against it
    because of his injury-history. (I loved the signing at the time)

    Well, it turned out to be a bad signing. And Wells turned out
    to be a bad signing. And Joseph turned out to be a bad signing.
    And B.Jones turned out to be a bad draft pick. As well as Rok.

    So, yeah they ‘own that.’ They’ve made some bad free-agent personnel decisions.

    But other than the OLine and QB the team looks promising.

    Can they finally fix the OLine?

    Yeah, i think so. Cause they know damn well
    its the key to the season. And they have
    Barksdale, GR and Saffold which is a good start.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHskA1dtKM

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    in reply to: Rams currently scheduled to pick 10th in NFL draft #16585
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    http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/1/15/7551797/2015-nfl-mock-draft-kiper-mocks-a-new-tackle-to-rams

    Amid all the early January mockery, one name had yet to weigh in: ESPN’s Mock Draft Grandfather Mel Kiper, Jr.

    No longer.

    The Hair is here with his first mock of the year (helpfully placed behind ESPN’s insider paywall because bad), and it has a new name headed to St. Louis. First up though, let’s crack that top nine open:

    1 Tampa Bay Jameis Winston QB Florida St.
    2 Tennessee Marcus Mariota QB Oregon
    3 Jacksonville Leonard Williams DL USC
    4 Oakland Amari Cooper WR Alabama
    5 Washington Randy Gregory DE Nebraska
    6 New York Jets Shane Ray DE Missouri
    7 Chicago Landon Collins SS Alabama
    8 Atlanta Dante Fowler DE Florida
    9 Minnesota Brandon Scherff OT Iowa

    Much of that top nine is awfully similar to Dan Kadar’s updated mock from Monday; the top five are identical and the Fowler to Atlanta pick is the same. Kiper drops Scherff to Minnesota in place of La’El Collins and puts two defenders in the 6 & 7 slots in place of Kadar’s selections of WR DaVante Parker and Scherff. So with just one wide receiver and one offensive tackle gone, Kiper has the Rams going with:

    T.J. Clemmings (OT, Pittsburgh)

    It’s hard to argue with position fit as nearly every mock draft since New Year’s Day has the Rams going with a tackle. Clemmings is an interesting prospect.

    He arrived at Pitt in 2010 as an oversized defensive end and was plugged in right away. He was redshirted however for his true sophomore season which suggested they weren’t quite sure how to make use of his mammoth frame an unusual athleticism. His redshirt sophomore season, in 2012, had him begin a transition from defensive end to the offensive line having bloomed into a 300-lb. frame. In his final two seasons, Clemmings was a mainstay at right tackle for the Panthers and flourished in 2014 having picked up much of the technical game for an outside offensive lineman.

    He should be a name that pops up as we head into combine season. He’s got an NFL frame and moves very well. It’s a question of risk. Rams should know about the difficulty of taking an oversized athlete and molding them into a tackle at the professional level…Jason Smith wasn’t just a protagonist in your nightmares…

    But the draft isn’t meant to allow your previous failures to doom your future to a similar fate. It’s for reversing the flow of the tide. It’s something Clemmings had to do in his position move much to the delight of Pitt’s coaches as he was named a second-team All American for his performance in 2014:

    “I’ve seen him dominate guys up front this year, and I’ll definitely miss him when he’s gone next year,” [Pitt RB James] Conner said.

    NFL scouts like Clemmings for his 6-foot-6, 315-pound frame to go along with long arms and good athleticism, but [Pitt Interim Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator Joe] Rudolph and [Offensive Line Coach Jim] Hueber also praised the mental makeup it takes to learn a new position — and do it well — on the fly in just two years.

    “I think it’s easy when you first make a move that if it doesn’t go well, you say, ‘Well, that’s the wrong move,’ ” Rudolph said. “But to be all in on a really drastic move — different side of the ball, never played it before — I think he’s very strong-minded and he’s obviously got confidence in himself that’s just continued to develop.”

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    in reply to: Adam Gase Rams next OC? #16572
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    If Rams hire Gase, could Peyton Manning be an option at QB for Rams?

    Heard Collin Cowherd say that if Broncos let Gase go then it is a sign they are stepping away from Manning.
    If Manning heals up and wants to give it one more try could the Rams be his next landing spot?
    Manning guiding the offense might make the Rams defense better as well.
    Bye, bye Sam, hello Peyton, draft a young QB to be groomed behind Peyton?
    Yah, Peyton will be 39 but remember that Farve, Jurgensen and Kilmer all played into their 40s.

    Would be fun to watch.

    Grits

    Really doubt it. If Peyton’s got anything left,
    Elway’s not gonna let him get away.

    Lets face it, the Rams are gonna
    draft a youngster,
    build up the OLine,
    play good defense,
    Run the ball — and hope that Sam’s Knees
    can carry them.

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    in reply to: Adam Gase Rams next OC? #16568
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    Seems to me Peyton was the OC in Denver.

    Ok, then I’m for hiring Peyton.
    Oh wait. Peyton’s annoying; how bout
    Aaron Rogers ?

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    Rams want to talk to Adam Gase for coordinator job
    Posted by Darin Gantt on January 15, 2015, 6:13 AM EST

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    profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/15/rams-want-to-talk-to-adam-gase-for-coordinator-job/

    He was up for some head coaching jobs, but Adam Gase might be the hottest property in the coordinator market soon.

    According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Rams have requested permission to talk to the former Broncos offensive coordinator for their vacant play-calling job.

    The Rams let Brian Schottenheimer walk out the door for the University of Georgia, and could obviously use an upgrade there.

    The job would present a challenge, whether it’s with Sam Bradford or whichever quarterback they bring in this offseason.

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    in reply to: 101, 1/14… John Clayton, Roland Williams, Mark Schlereth #16562
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    Roland is a happy guy.
    He was a great Role player. DV had a knack
    for finding good role players who put the Team first.
    Seems like Pete Carroll is good at that too.

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    in reply to: Miklasz: Rams' standards are too low #16550
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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12162308/john-elway-denver-broncos-says-poor-finishes-led-john-fox-departure-hopes-peyton-manning-returns
    Seems like football reasons according to this article.

    “I sat down here last year in front of you and told the fans how we’re just as disappointed this year as we were last year and the fact that we didn’t play better at the end of the year,” Elway said. “I think if there is one thing that you would like to have and you want to feel, at least in the last game you want to feel like you go out kicking and screaming. When you’re right there, and I think two years in a row it didn’t feel like we went out kicking and screaming because of the fact the way we played the last game.”

    Elway added that he was “disappointed we didn’t have more fire” against the Colts…

    “And so the next guy, what do I look for? I look for a guy that’s very smart, that’s competitive, that is aching to win world championships like I am. And I think there are a lot of things. You want to get like-minded people. I think that helps a lot, or even to have a great conversation, agree to disagree, but come out with the right decision for what’s best for the Denver Broncos, which is our main goal. I know there are a lot of quality candidates out there.”

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    M.Barron said “we just gotta work on making sure the communication is there…”
    He said the defense was able to do everything it wanted to do,
    “except for when we made mistakes.”

    Barron comes across as a quiet, but intense guy.

    I’m lookin forward to seeing him play next year.
    Seems like an important addition to me. I’m glad
    they traded for him.

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    in reply to: Let's draft the Ohio State Offensive Line #16541
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    I would have liked Stanley.

    So,
    the whole draft is Ruined now.

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    “I have no interest at all in food and drink,
    but only in slaughter and blood and the agonized groans of mangled men”
    ― Homer

    in reply to: Let's draft the Ohio State Offensive Line #16537
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    Speaking of OLines…

    http://irish.nbcsports.com/2015/01/13/ronnie-stanley-to-return-for-senior-season/
    R.Stanley is not entering the draft. Going back to Notre Dame.

    “This was a difficult decision,” Stanley said in an official release by UND.com. “My dream isn’t just to play in the National Football League. I want to win a national championship. I’ve waited to this point so I could watch the actual game and see if I felt any emotion, and I felt a great deal. I am a competitor. I want to play on the top stage so I’ve decided that I’m returning to Notre Dame for my senior year.
    “We’ve got a chance to have a special season next year….”

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    in reply to: Miklasz: Rams' standards are too low #16536
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    So Bernie had a deadline and couldn’t think of anything fresh to write about.

    LoL. Yup. There’s a good-Bernie,
    and a bad-Bernie.

    As I’ve said before, the good-Bernie
    gives us some interesting stats and analysis.

    Bad-Bernie gives us the “Heads need to Roll!” schtick.

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    in reply to: Cardale Jones #16531
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    No thanks. Not until the 4th round, then I’d consider him. Really good teams make QBs look much better, and Ohio State was mashing teams by the end of the season. Says something to me that they could win no matter who was at QB.

    I’m about 90 percent sure they are gonna fix
    the OLine. It just seems so “do-able” — I mean,
    they have cap-space to sign a coupla solid free agents,
    and they can draft a coupla young stud Hog-mollies.

    So, it all comes down to QB.
    And Sam’s knees.

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    That was a good read.

    Btw look at the chart. Anything odd, anything
    dont quite fit ?
    —————————

    Year/Team PPG No.2 PPG Avg. PPG
    ’14 Seahawks 15.9 17.6 22.6
    ’13 Seahawks* 14.4 15.1 23.4
    ’08 Steelers* 13.9 14.6 22.0
    ’02 Bucs* 12.3 15.1 21.7
    ’00 Ravens* 10.3 11.9 20.7
    ’85 Bears* 12.4 16.4 21.5
    ’77 Falcons 9.2 10.4 17.1
    ’76 Steelers 9.9 12.6 19.2
    ’75 Rams 9.6 11.6 20.6
    ’71 Vikings 9.9 10.0 19.3

    *Won Super Bowl ^NFL record
    Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com
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    77 Falcons? WTF? Nobody ever
    mentions them in “Greatest Defenses”
    conversations. And yet look who has the best
    numbers.

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    in reply to: PFF all sophomore team: TJ #16524
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    Surprised no Ogletree on that list

    Yeah, Ogletree was one of the most interesting stories
    of the season. He seemed like a nonfactor for a while,
    and then he had the total meltdown against Russell Wilson
    and then, apparently GW and Fisher changed some things
    and he played like an allpro after that. I wish
    one of the local reporters had dug into that.

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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PA Ram wrote:</div>
    I agree with lyser.

    He is the board blaspheemer,
    you know.

    “In any duly constituted faculty of theology, a chair of blasphemy – in preparation for the doctorate of course – would be indispensable; occupied by the Devil himself, if possible.”
    Antonio Machado (1875-1939)

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    No single thing abides; and all things are fucked up.”
    ― Philip K. Dick, The Transmigration of Timothy

    It’s funny you quote Philip K. Dick.

    I’m reading “The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick” off and on again.

    It’s a lot of his rambling thoughts –but man some of the thoughts. Crazy? Sure. Interesting? Absolutely. Fascinating? Without a doubt.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Exegesis-Philip-K-Dick/dp/B00A7KUEVI

    “Certainly it constitutes bad news when the people who agree with you are buggier than batshit.”
    ― Philip K. Dick

    “Everything in life is just for a while.”
    ― Philip K. Dick, A Scanner Darkly

    “The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.”
    ― Philip K. Dick, VALIS

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    As long as I’m surfing old Ram articles….this is from the 80s.
    I wonder how an Updated version would look
    with the GSOT players.

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    http://articles.latimes.com/1985-08-09/sports/sp-2626_1_bob-waterfield
    All-Time Ram Team : Bob Waterfield Is Top Selection in Three Categories
    August 09, 1985

    Bob Waterfield, who led the Rams to National Football League championships in Cleveland (1945) and Los Angeles (1951), was named in three categories to the Rams’ 40th anniversary all-time team, chosen by Times readers.

    In a vote of 5,229 readers during July, Waterfield was selected as the Rams’ all-time quarterback, kicker and punter.

    Waterfield received 1,921 votes in the quarterback category, beating Norm Van Brocklin with 1,399 and Roman Gabriel with 836.

    Frank Corral was a distant second to Waterfield as the all-time kicker, as was Pat Studstill in the punting category.

    Including 28 write-in votes Waterfield received as a defensive back, he got a total of 5,132 votes.

    Defensive lineman Merlin Olsen got the most votes in a single category, 4,483, and current Ram defensive back Nolan Cromwell finished just behind Olsen in total votes for one category with 4,385.

    Deacon Jones and Rosey Grier, Olsen’s linemates in the Rams’ Fearsome Foursome defensive front in the 1960s, also made the all-time team, as did current Ram Jack Youngblood. Jones got 4,010 votes, Youngblood got 3,331 and Grier 2,690.

    Not surprisingly, the most popular current Ram, running back Eric Dickerson, was the top vote-getter at running back with 3,263. Dickerson, who last season set the NFL’s single-season rushing mark with 2,105 yards, easily finished ahead of second-place Dick Bass, who polled 2,113 votes.

    Lawrence McCutcheon edged Jon Arnett by 35 votes for the third running back spot.

    The other team members are wide receivers Elroy (Crazy Legs) Hirsch with 3,128 votes, and Tom Fears, 1,922; center Rich Saul, 2,081; offensive linemen Tom Mack, 3,490; Charlie Cowan, 2,436; Joe Scibelli, 2,398, and Dennis Harrah, 2,155; tight end Bob Klein, 1,135; linebackers Jack Reynolds, 2,750; Jack Pardee, 2,546, and Les Richter, 1,723; defensive backs Ed Meador, 2,728; Dave Elmendorf, 2,152, and Dick (Night Train) Lane, 1,902; kickoff return specialist Arnett, 2,234, and punt return specialist LeRoy Irvin, 1,272.

    A ceremony will be held at halftime of Saturday night’s exhibition game between the Rams and Houston Oilers at Anaheim Stadium. The game is sponsored by Times Charities.

    THE TEAM

    SELECTED BY READERS OF THE TIMES

    OFFENSE DEFENSE POSITION PLAYER POSITION PLAYER
    Quarterback Bob Waterfield
    Lineman Merlin Olsen
    Running Back Eric Dickerson
    Lineman Fred Dryer
    Running Back Dick Bass
    Lineman Deacon Jones
    Running Back Lawrence McCutcheon
    Lineman Jack Youngblood
    Lineman Tom Mack
    Lineman Rosey Grier
    Lineman Charlie Cowan
    Linebacker Jack Reynolds
    Lineman Joe Scibelli
    Linebacker Jack Pardee
    Lineman Dennis Harrah
    Linebacker Les Richter
    Center Rich Saul
    Back Nolan Cromwell
    Tight End Bob Klein
    Back Eddie Meador
    Receiver Elroy Hirsch
    Back Dave Elmendorf
    Receiver Tom Fears
    Back Dick (Night Train) Lane
    Punter Bob Waterfield
    Punt Returner LeRoy Irvin
    Kicker Bob Waterfield
    Kick Returner Jon Arnett

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    That was his style….pull no punches.

    I agree 100 percent with him here.

    He was definitely a love or hate him type of columnist.

    I think I liked Jim Murray, more.
    I used to subscribe to the LA Times back
    in the 70’s. Just for two or three years or so.
    I got to read some of the LA columnists. Murray
    impressed me.

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    http://articles.latimes.com/1996-07-04/sports/sp-21017_1_deacon-jones

    Jim Murray
    July 4, 1996

    He put the “d” in football. What? You say there is no “d” in football? There was the way Deacon Jones played it.

    He put the word “sack” into the lexicon. He was the first one to conjure up the image of the fallen quarterback being wrapped in burlap or a body bag.

    No one bothered to interview a defensive end before Deacon came along. You concentrated on the quarterbacks, the running backs. The glamour guys.

    Deacon changed all that. He made defensive end into a cabinet post. He was the football administration’s official “Secretary of Defense.”
    He was, in a way, the Muhammad Ali of football. Before Deacon, the game used to round up all the troglodytes it could find, suit them up and tell them, “Now, you just stand there and don’t let anyone by.”

    Deacon didn’t rely on brute strength, although he had plenty of that. Deacon relied on footwork, speed, deception. Deacon was as unstoppable as a flood, as elusive as a fly in a hot room.

    When you hear a football crowd yell “Dee-fense! Dee-fense!” it is a tribute to Deacon. Before him, there was no such yell. Oh, maybe back in the Ivy League at a Harvard-Yale game, the student body in raccoon coats and flapper skirts would yell “Hold that line!” but it wasn’t the same thing.

    You see, defense was a passive thing in those days. You waited at the line of scrimmage or slid along the length of it, waiting for the ballcarrier to crash into you like a ship hitting the rocks. The “Seven Blocks of Granite” were the kind of thing they used to call successful defenders.

    Deacon Jones was nobody’s block of granite. He was on the move. The way Deacon played it, the defense did the attacking. The classic explanation of his job was, you just crash around or over the blockers and arrive at the quarterback in ill humor. Big Daddy Gene Lipscomb used to like to say he just charged in picking people up and throwing them aside till he found the one with the ball. Him, you kept.

    Deacon did this better than anybody. Coaches sat up nights trying to devise schemes that would take the play away from No. 75. They couldn’t. This was because Deacon without the ball could run as fast as anyone with the ball. He had such impressive speed for a man 255 pounds that he used to race running backs–not linemen–in training camp for betting money. The Rams’ trainer, George Menefee, used to line up the suckers. Until, one day, the head coach, Harland Svare, asked them to stop. They were giving the team’s running backs inferiority complexes. Beaten by a down lineman!

    The Deacon knew how to work the room too. He was one of the first to raise his hands to get the crowd to cheer for the home team. And he shared the nuances of modern defensive football with the fans by calling attention to them in the press. Deacon was never a “No comment” interview. Deacon had lots of comments. He was militant but not hobbled by hate.

    Before Deacon, defensive linemen were the unknown soldiers of the sport. Silent butlers, so to speak. They were so safe from recognition that you figured you might find Jimmy Hoffa in there. Before Deacon, defensive linemen got drafted just ahead of placekick-holders.

    The crowds used to go out for a beer and a hot dog when the Rams didn’t have the football. But when Deacon came along, they used to wait till the Rams did have the football. Deacon was more exciting to watch than Billy Wade or Ron Jaworski.

    It wasn’t only speed and power with Deacon. Watching him charge the ballhandler was like watching Dempsey-Firpo. Deacon had perfected another weapon in the pass-rusher’s arsenal–the head slap. Deacon came across the line of scrimmage throwing these crazy rights and straight lefts to the helmet of the blocking backs till you could hear the heads rattling like dice in a cage. How effective was it? So effective, they outlawed it in Deacon’s last year.

    Deacon was part of the greatest pass rush of all time–the Fearsome Foursome of Lamar Lundy, Rosey Grier, Merlin Olsen and the Deacon. They were as choreographed as “Swan Lake,” a ballet not a game. They didn’t come at you the same way twice. They didn’t invent, but they perfected the maneuvers known as “stunting” and “looping” where they traded positions or lunges at the snap of the ball to confound the offense. Johnny Unitas once said the passer got 3 1/2 seconds to get rid of the ball–except against the Rams’ Fearsomes where you were lucky they didn’t arrive when the ball did.

    Deacon was so fast off the line that new officials used to conclude confusedly that he must have been offside. Deacon was like a good sprinter who can anticipate the starter’s gun from the initial click.

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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PA Ram wrote:</div>
    But the Rams don’t have a lot of choice really.

    Yeah they do.

    They can not reach for a qb.

    That way, they can end up 7-9 with a more talented team while waiting to find a qb, ASSUMING Bradford does not work out.

    Or they can end up 7-9 with a LESS talented team having reached for a qb, ASSUMING Bradford does not work out.

    The chances of REACHING for a qb out of need? The odds against that are just so great it’s not worth contemplating.

    So yeah they have a choice.

    Look. We ‘want’ a QB
    and we want one Now.

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    “As long as the heart preserves desire,
    the mind preserves illusion.”
    Chateaubriand (1768-1848)

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    I agree with lyser.

    He is the board blaspheemer,
    you know.

    “In any duly constituted faculty of theology, a chair of blasphemy – in preparation for the doctorate of course – would be indispensable; occupied by the Devil himself, if possible.”
    Antonio Machado (1875-1939)

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    No single thing abides; and all things are fucked up.”
    ― Philip K. Dick, The Transmigration of Timothy

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    Actually that is what I look like – all fat plain and empty

    (rambill)
    Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris — Rotoworld & NBC Sports NFL Draft Writer.
    You will think I am jumping to conclusions, but Cardale would easily be a top 3 QB in this class. He is better than Hundley, Petty, etc.

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    stfu wv

    You are a man without
    an avatar.

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    in reply to: Cardale Jones #16488
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    1) this guy has less 100 pass attempts in College.

    2) a QB needs good study habits: “”””Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain’t come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS ”

    —Cardale Jones, Twitter: October 5, 2012

    3) There has been no NFL QB worth a damn in the NFL from Ohio State….. see Joe Germaine and Art Schlichter.

    Any QB will look good with Zeke Elliot rushing for 249 yards and Oregon Choking in the redzone, Ohio State didn’t win because of Cardale’s 58 passer rating.

    Nomber 4) – Lyser is a crazy man.

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    Even damnation is poisoned with rainbows.”
    Leonard Cohen

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    Good Lord that was depressing. There should be a warning attached to that!

    This is him on the inter-net

    A sample of his writing:
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+BIG+CHILL%3b+RAMS+TOO+TOUGH%3a+IT%27LL+BE+GEORGIA+IN+GEORGIA.-a083391878
    “le to fleece new suitors for taxpayer-subsidized stadiums – the St. Louis Rams and Tennessee Titans will settle their difference today in the 72-degree warmth of the enclosed Georgia Dome.

    This will be a match painful to watch for many of the disenfranchised fans in Los Angeles, who supported the Rams for 49 seasons, and in Houston, who did the same with the Oilers for 37 seasons.

    What will be even more aggravating to these people is that one of the miscreants responsible for the shift in residences – either the Oilers’ Bud Adams, or the Rams’ Georgia Frontiere – will be strutting on center stage this evening celebrating a Super Bowl victory.

    The hunch here is that person will be Georgia Frontiere..
    …..
    ……..
    …And thus expect to see the ungodly spectacle of George Frontiere, the seven-time married Rams owner, on the sidelines late in the fourth quarter tonight, savoring a 30-20 win by her minions and defying the laws of compensation yet again.”

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    Things were cheap back then

    By God, Life is expensive now,
    in America.

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    “By God, life is cheap up here on the Canadian”
    Lonesome Dove

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    Georgia never liked the Kneel Down.
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    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-03-16/sports/9503160267_1_rams-owner-georgia-frontiere-vice-president-john-shaw-rams-from-los-angeles
    Next Move In Court
    Nfl Rejects Rams’ St. Louis Transfer

    March 16, 1995|
    By Don Pierson, Tribune Pro Football Writer.

    PHOENIX — National Football League owners voted down the proposed move of the Rams from Los Angeles to St. Louis on Wednesday, but the door to further negotiation still appears as open as the arch.

    Rams owner Georgia Frontiere called it an “arbitrary and capricious” decision by a “kangaroo court” and laid groundwork for antitrust action in the kind of court that is painfully familiar to fellow owners who failed to prevent Al Davis from moving the Raiders from Oakland to Los Angeles in 1982.

    “We’re exploring every option. I have complete resolve to move,” she said.

    Commissioner Paul Tagliabue conceded the case is not closed, calling the vote he recommended applicable “at least for this week.” He said he “expected” the Rams would play in Anaheim again this year, but admitted he had no assurance that they wouldn’t hire moving vans and sneak out of town the way Robert Irsay did without a vote in 1984 when he left Baltimore for Indianapolis. But the league believes its guidelines governing franchise movement established since 1984 will stand up in court this time.

    Frontiere urged St. Louis fans to “keep the faith.” They have purchased 74,000 “seat licenses” just for the right to buy tickets, many more than the city’s new dome can handle. Frontiere said she knew of no deadline for moving to play there this season, and with a slip of the tongue, said: “I’m afraid we’ll have to wait to see what the court decides.”

    Both Frontiere and Rams vice president John Shaw said they would play in Anaheim this year if necessary, Shaw calling it “distinctly a possibility.”

    By a vote of 21-3 with six abstentions, owners said the Rams did not meet the league criteria for moving, including sustained revenue losses. But the issue is far more complex than any list of do’s and don’ts.

    For starters, the league offered the Rams three ways to buy their way into a go-vote regardless of guideline violations: 1. share a portion of the more than $60 million in “personal seat licenses” sold to St. Louis fans; 2. “deal” with the question of rights fees rebates to the Fox network; 3. contribute to a trust fund that would help build a stadium for an NFC team in Southern California.

    The Rams made what Frontiere called a “substantial” offer to owners, believed to be $26 million, but were blindsided by the last two demands, which might have reached “tens of millions,” according to a source.

    Shaw accused the league of planting the idea of rebates in a letter to Fox and called the trust fund for a Southern California stadium “arbitrary.” League spokesman Joe Browne called Shaw’s accusation of a plant “ridiculous.”

    Tagliabue called the discussion and vote a “soul-searching” process of “how to balance the interests of two groups of fans.” Clearly, keeping an NFC team in the country’s second-largest market won out over the enthusiasm of St. Louis fans in the 20th market.

    The Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Cincinnati Bengals were the only yes votes, and the ownership of the Bucs and Bengals have pushed for new stadiums. The six teams that abstained were the Raiders, Seahawks, Chargers, Colts, Saints, and Falcons.

    Bears chairman Ed McCaskey voted against the move, saying: “The sanctity of the constitution and bylaws has been maintained.”

    Frontiere said she reminded fellow owners that Bill Bidwill’s move of the Cardinals out of St. Louis to Phoenix in 1988 was approved “very easily.”

    “He was a very lucky man,” she said.

    “If Busch Stadium were a clone of Anaheim , I’d still be in St. Louis,” Bidwill said.

    Shaw said he felt “extremely” confident the Rams could win a lawsuit, an option the Missouri attorney general’s office already has threatened.

    Player agent Leigh Steinberg, chairman of the “Save the Rams” group in Anaheim, called the vote “wonderful” and invited Frontiere back with the promise to work on a new stadium or suggest 11 different groups happy to buy the team.

    Frontiere said she would “never” sell and the enthusiasm of Southern California over the Rams was demonstrated by the absence of any television cameras from Los Angeles at these NFL meetings.

    Abandoned by the Cardinals and jilted by expansion, St. Louis was left with only this promise from Frontiere: “I never liked the quarterback kneel at the end of a game. I’m not doing the quarterback kneel. The clock is still ticking.”
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    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/georgia-frontiere
    Rams Say They’re Moving
    Frontiere Gives Ok
    Club Hopes To Wrap Up St. Louis Deal Soon
    January 16, 1995

    Los Angeles Rams owner Georgia Frontiere and other team officials plan to complete a deal over the next two days to move the franchise to St. Louis.

    Team President John Shaw was among a Rams contingent that arrived Sunday night in St. Louis to finalize details for the move, Rams spokesman Rick Smith said. Frontiere was to arrive later in the week.

    FANS Inc., the St. Louis group courting the Rams, plans a news conference Tuesday to formally announce the switch, which must then be approved by NFL owners.

    “I’m on my way,” Frontiere told the Los Angeles Times. “I have to give my approval. I have no other choice.”

    The Rams, who projected a loss of some $6 million in Anaheim in 1994, have been offered a new stadium and practice facility and a potential profit of more than $20 million a year in St. Louis. That would make the franchise the most profitable in the NFL.

    Part of the agreement is an unprecedented guarantee that at least 85 percent of luxury boxes and club seats will be sold for the next 15 years, accounting for at least $10 million annually for the team. The deal also will provide $30 million to pay off what the Rams owe the City of Anaheim.

    The Rams have played in Southern California for 49 years since coming west from Cleveland. They were the first major-league team to move to the West Coast.

    “I feel a little numb,” Frontiere told the Times. “It’s so wonderful and the future looks so bright, but I’m also sad that things were not able to work out here.”

    Frontiere said she didn’t know what to say to Rams fans about taking the team to Missouri.

    “How can you say anything?” Frontiere said. “You’re taking something away from somebody and they’re not going to be happy. I don’t think anyone will ever know how much I fought not to have this happen.”

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