Does look like the Cards are legit
Super Bowl contenders as long as
Palmer is healthy.

Palmer, Bradford and Foles are
big story lines this year.

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Agamemnon wrote:

I am for signing Jenkins. But, I don’t know what would be a good money figure.

Well, I trust Fisher to know a good DB when he
sees one. I mean he used to be one, right?

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Agamemnon wrote:

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/08/defensive_substitution_issues.html

Andrus Peat struggles with conditioning: Jeff Duncan’s observations

WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W. Va. – My quick observations from the New Orleans Saints’ Black and Gold scrimmage Friday morning at the Greenbrier Resort and Spa:

Saints and Pats are practicing in West, by-god, Virginia. If i had known,
I might have driven to the Greenbrier Resort and tried to get a peek.

The Greenbrier is kinda famous in WV. At one time it was a secret site
that the President and Congress were to be hidden at, in the event
of a nuclear attack. Or Zombies.
The resort has a rather fancy bomb shelter. And a gift shop, probly.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/28/patriots-plan-to-join-saints-at-greenbrier-for-three-days-of-practice/
Patriots plan to join Saints at Greenbrier for three days of practice
Posted by Mike Florio on May 28, 2015, 10:58 AM EDT
Patriots Getty Images

The Saints are coming back to West Virginia. And this year, they’ll have company.

Per multiple sources, the Patriots intend to join the Saints for three days of practices at the Greenbrier resort in West Virginia.

The practices will occur prior to the August 22 preseason game between the two teams in New Orleans. The Patriots will travel to West Virginia, the two teams will practice there, and then both teams will travel to Louisiana for the game.

The Saints held three weeks of training camp at the Greenbrier in 2014, providing them an environment with lower temperatures and humidity.

In West Virginia, the two teams will practice at a first-class facility that the Greenbrier built in a fairly short period of time. The Cardinals are considering spending the week practicing there between October games at Detroit and Pennsylvania.

bnw wrote:

Not just. Public sector, wealthy individuals, labor unions, advocacy organizations and such. Money talks.

Well, maybe you agree with Marx and Engels ? Yes? No?

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Civil_War_in_France/Intro_Postscript
“….But these organs, at whose head was the state power, had in the course of time, in pursuance of their own special interests, transformed themselves from the servants of society into the masters of society, as can be seen… but equally also in the democratic republic. Nowhere do “politicians” form a more separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics, who speculate on seats in the legislative assemblies of the Union as well as of the separate states, or who make a living by carrying on agitation for their party and on its victory are rewarded with positions.

It is well known that the Americans have been striving for 30 years to shake off this yoke, which has become intolerable, and that in spite of all they can do they continue to stink ever deeper in this swamp of corruption. It is precisely in America that we see best how there takes place this process of the state power making itself independent in relation to society, whose mere instrument it was originally intended to be. Here there exists no dynasty, no nobility, no standing army, beyond the few men keeping watch on the Indians, no bureaucracy with permanent posts or the right to pensions. and nevertheless we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends — and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality exploit and plunder it.

Against this transformation of the state and the organs of the state from servants of society into masters of society — an inevitable transformation in all previous states — the Commune made use of two infallible expedients. In this first place, it filled all posts — administrative, judicial, and educational — by election on the basis of universal suffrage of all concerned, with the right of the same electors to recall their delegate at any time. And in the second place, all officials, high or low, were paid only the wages received by other workers. The highest salary paid by the Commune to anyone was 6,000 francs. In this way an effective barrier to place-hunting and careerism was set up, even apart from the binding mandates to delegates to representative bodies which were also added in profusion.

This shattering of the former state power and its replacement by a new and really democratic state is described in detail in the third section of The Civil War. But it was necessary to dwell briefly here once more on some of its features, because in Germany particularly the superstitious belief in the state has been carried over from philosophy into the general consciousness of the bourgeoisie and even to many workers. According to the philosophical notion, the state is the “realization of the idea” or the Kingdom of God on earth, translated into philosophical terms, the sphere in which eternal truth and justice is or should be realized. And from this follows a superstitious reverence for the state and everything connected with it, which takes roots the more readily as people from their childhood are accustomed to imagine that the affairs and interests common to the whole of society could not be looked after otherwise than as they have been looked after in the past, that is, through the state and its well-paid officials. And people think they have taken quite an extraordinary bold step forward when they have rid themselves of belief in hereditary monarchy and swear by the democratic republic. In reality, however, the state is nothing but a machine for the oppression of one class by another, and indeed in the democratic republic no less than in the monarchy; and at best an evil inherited by the proletariat after its victorious struggle for class supremacy, whose worst sides the proletariat, just like the Commune, cannot avoid having to lop off at the earliest possible moment, until such time as a new generation, reared in new and free social conditions, will be able to throw the entire lumber of the state on the scrap-heap.

Of late, the Social-Democratic philistine has once more been filled with wholesome terror at the words: Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Well and good, gentlemen, do you want to know what this dictatorship looks like? Look at the Paris Commune. That was the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

Friedrich Engels

London, on the 20th anniversary of the Paris Commune, March 18, 1891.
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Comparisons — Kerry Collins ?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8132fe13/article/titans-fisher-is-sticking-with-collins-as-starting-qb

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Date of birth: December 30, 1972 (age 42)
Place of birth: Lebanon, Pennsylvania
Height: 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)
Weight: 247 lb (112 kg)

Carolina Panthers (1995–1998)
New Orleans Saints (1998)
New York Giants (1999–2003)
Oakland Raiders (2004–2005)
Tennessee Titans (2006–2010)
Indianapolis Colts (2011)

Career highlights and awards

2× Pro Bowl (1996, 2008)
NFC Champion (2000)
Consensus All-American (1994)
Maxwell Award (1994)
Davey O’Brien Award (1994)
Sammy Baugh Award (1994)
College Quarterback of the Year (1994)
NY Giants single season record for passing yards (4,073) set in 2002, since broken

Career NFL statistics
TD–INT: 208–196
Passing yards: 40,922
Passer rating: 73.8

quotes from the articles:

“I think he has a tendency not to see things clearly,” Cosell said. “When he doesn’t see things clearly, he holds the ball. Because he’s not a quick-twitch athlete, he doesn’t look good when he’s in the pocket for longer periods of time. I think he ultimately needs the system to help him play. Do I think Nick Foles will ever be an Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers? No. Can he be a successful quarterback? Absolutely.”

“The sample isn’t large enough,” Cosell said. “Nick is a young quarterback working his way through a system. Now, defensive coaches have had a season to study and will play them differently. As a young, inexperienced quarterback, he’s going to have to figure out what defenses are doing. So it’s a growth process. None of this is abnormal.”

Cosell:“When Foles gets into more long-yardage situations — it’s tougher for any quarterback, that’s not just Nick Foles — but Foles is not the kind of quarterback that is going to stand in the pocket, sit on his back foot and drill the ball consistently between defenders,” he said.

Cosell: “I think if you look at Foles the player, what you likely see is this: He’s got a good arm but not a gun; he’s not a power thrower, not a drive thrower. He’s a little more of a finesse thrower than a drive thrower. He does not have quick feet. There is no quick-twitch to his movement. There’s no explosive lower-body movement to him. When you look at Foles, I think what you see is a quarterback that needs the system to work for him and provide defined reads and good throws with the route concepts, just the whole system. He needs the system to work for him…“I don’t think he’s really any different [from last year]. Because he’s not a quick-twitch guy, when he doesn’t feel comfortable making a throw he’ll start to look a little awkward because he’s not quick twitch, he moves around. There’s been more of that this year and I think that’s because defenses have done a really good job with the Eagles. Now it’s up to the Eagles to respond.

Kelce: “He’s not going to be a guy that’s going to be down-talking people. He’s very much an enthusiastic, let’s-go guy, a very encouragement-based leader, and he’s always asserting himself. He’s not soft-spoken, but he’s also not out there commanding and being an overwhelming type guy.”

Dave Stossel: Foles is still not fully confident in what he’s doing. If his first read isn’t there, that’s when his struggles begin. He doesn’t seem to calmly go to his second and third reads and be decisive with the football. Instead, he hesitates. That hesitation means the pressure is coming from the pass rush and panic starts to set in.That’s why he ends up making bad decisions and off-balance throws…When you hear Foles say after almost every game that he’s “learning”, maybe that’s exactly the truth. He still has to learn how to engineer the offensive machine that Kelly has implemented.

Well the numbers are good for the Team.
Assuminng, Foles is a solid QB.

I guess Fisher is convinced Foles can
be a solid QB.

Myself, I need to see him play
a few preseason games at least.

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So far my favorite player-vid is the Bates video.
That guy made me smile.

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zn wrote:

Ranking the NFL’s top 10 defensive lines entering the 2015 season

1. St. Louis Rams: Say what you will about how the Rams have assembled their offensive linemen, receivers and quarterbacks during the Jeff Fisher era; nobody can say Fisher hasn’t put together a formidable, intimidating defensive line.

They look redoubtable on paper ;
Now, can they stop
the Run ?

I think so. So, I’m expecting
the Rams to be the best
defense in the NFL.

Thats what i am expecting.

Number One.

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zn wrote:

Just adding to the discussion.
I have no set view of NF, myself…”

First off, you aren’t allowed to post in Blue ;
Only Ag and Miles-Davis-Ram are authorized to do kinda blue posts.

Moreover, I don’t think you are allowed to even post
on a message-board if you aren’t willing to take a dogmatic
and life-or-death set-view of NF.

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zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Joyner is kindof a forgotten man for a lot of us.
He seemed a bit lost last year.
I wonder what kind of player he’s gonna be?
Is he just another guy — or is the little guy an impact player?

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It has to play out in real games, of course, but one of the repeat themes from OTAs on this year is that the light has come on for Joyner. Fisher, in talking about Joyner, said something about what a difference a year makes.

People forget that in college, Joyner was considered the leader of one of the best if not the best secondaries in college football. Last year it didn’t translate because, apparently, his head was swimming.

FISHER: Lamarcus has come on as well, not only outside, he can play inside and on the slot and the nickel. You know Lamarcus situation… what a difference a year makes for a young player to come back in year two and finally just get it. He gets it now. He’ll be productive for us.”

That kind of talk started in OTAs. Back in OTAs I think it was Gregg Wms who said something about how Joyner was light years ahead of where he was last year. Joyner was saying the same thing:

“I feel like my approach is different and that’s probably coming from the more understanding I have, the more wisdom I have and just knowing what I’m doing,” Joyner said. “Instead of running out there like a blind dog in a meat house and you don’t know which way to go, I know what I’m doing, so now I can pretty much contribute to the defense.”

I ain’t promisin nothin. But the talk about Joyner at this point this year reminds me of the talk about Quick at the same point last year.

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We’ll see, but its fun to think
about how good this Dcould be,
if,
Joyner can play like he did in college.

I mean, the D would just be…loaded.

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“He just understands what he has on his bench in terms of players
and he understands what each player can bring to the team
and he uses those players to the advantage…”

Well, we keep reading this about Cignetti.
We’ll see.

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Agamemnon wrote:

zn wrote:

thehammer

watching Mannion I felt like John Sutter finding gold At Sutters Mill..much leaner/quicker then Foles, always surrounded by coaches, getting solid reps as the #2…lot to like..

I thought hammer wasn’t posting anymore.

He’s always been a must-read. How come
he dont post anymore?

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Agamemnon wrote:

wv wrote:

At the 6:15 mark or so, of the Quick interview,
Quick says “he (Foles?) said things i wasn’t use to before…”

What did he mean by that? D’Marco, instead of following up
on that, asked a dum shoe question.

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<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I have no idea, vw. It doesn’t make sense, so I would put it down to a mental typo. Then it might make a bit of sense if it was something new and something he was praising Foles for. Some kind of positive feedback? Maybe Foles just wanting him to things a bit differently that he did before? Maybe just something extra that Foles wanted?</span>

Is Foles a Fiery “favre type” of QB ? Or is he a quiet ‘Bart starr type’ ?

I know a lot of fans like the fiery types,
for obvious reasons.

Whats Foles like on the field?

I Know a QB doesnt have to be a fiery type
but maybe some teams need SOMEBODY on offense
to be a fiery-leader. Yes? No?

Does the Rams offense have a fiery leader type ?
Do they need one?

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Once, when i was nine years-old, my friends and i
were building a tree-house. And while i was standing
under an oak tree, one of my buddies accidentally dropped
a two-by-four with a nail sticking out of it. The nail
stuck in my head. I pulled it out of my head and blood
gushed out. But i felt better.

Now to me, that proves that pulling sharp objects out of your
head is going to make you feel better.

Granted, its just anecdotal evidence.
More study is needed, probably.

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