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wvParticipantProblem is, a lot of times its what they are telling the truth
about that is most disturbing. Like supporting NAFTA-type, neoliberal, hawkish
policies.The difference between a rightwing critic of Hillary and a leftwing critic
of hillary is this — The rightwinger focuses on her Lies. The leftwing focuses on her truths.w
vwvParticipanthttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/23/lets-not-get-ahead-of-ourselves-people_n_6534968.html
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
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wvParticipantWhat i’d like to know is,
if there is a Poll that has a really good record for accuracy
over the decades. Ya know.I’d like to know what ‘that’ poll shows.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantI take that back.
Trump is ignorant, but I retract the claim that he is proud of it. There is no evidence of that. There is evidence that he doesn’t care that he is ignorant, and that’s different. He is ignorant, and he doesn’t care enough to get informed. That is more accurate.
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Well, i have not studied Trump. Like, at all. But my own limited unstudied sense is
he truly believes in what he is doing. I thought Bush did too. And Reagan. I mean, i do think all these weasels really believe their own words for the most part on the ECONOMIC stuff.Not on the religious stuff necessarily. I think most of em pretend to believe in the Christian god and the fairy-tale stuff, but Economics — i think they believe their own rhetoric. I think.
Agree? Disagree? Dont care? Warner? Bulger?
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vNo, not quite. Well, sort of.
My wife has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and I’ve read a lot about it because I have to deal with it daily.
Narcissists tend to believe whatever they are saying at any given moment. And they can say something completely contradictory later, and believe THAT, and deny that they ever said the first thing. It happens All The Time.
Trump does that. He contradicts shit he said a month ago, and believes himself passionately both times. So Trump believes everything he says, yes. But his belief is a momentary belief. A belief of the present. If that makes sense. He has no overarching set of principles. No guidelines. No actual philosophical foundation. He believes whatever he feels like believing at the moment. Trust me on this. My wife is a narcissist, and I deal with this every day of my life, for 25 years now. I recognize the symptoms.
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Well that sounds about right. But i dunno.
Luckily we have the incorruptible US Congress,
and an informed public to reign him.w
vwvParticipantI take that back.
Trump is ignorant, but I retract the claim that he is proud of it. There is no evidence of that. There is evidence that he doesn’t care that he is ignorant, and that’s different. He is ignorant, and he doesn’t care enough to get informed. That is more accurate.
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Well, i have not studied Trump. Like, at all. But my own limited unstudied sense is
he truly believes in what he is doing. I thought Bush did too. And Reagan. I mean, i do think all these weasels really believe their own words for the most part on the ECONOMIC stuff.Not on the religious stuff necessarily. I think most of em pretend to believe in the Christian god and the fairy-tale stuff, but Economics — i think they believe their own rhetoric. I think.
Agree? Disagree? Dont care? Warner? Bulger?
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vwvParticipant… In that light I suspect he is a moderate-which of course will piss of the leftists. But as I age I’ve come to realize that for me labels mean little.
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Well, myself, i find labels quite useful. I mean George Bush was a “Rightwinger”.
I think the label fits just fine. Bernie is a “new deal progressive” or a “democratic-socialist” etc. Reagan was a useful-idiot. Mike Martz was a paranoid wizard.
Lassie was a whiney sheepdog. ….see, perfectly useful labels.Seriously, i think labels are just fine, depending on context.
I mean if labels dont matter and are meaningless then Trump is the same as Hillary, right?
We cant use words to differentiate them?w
vYou got that mixed up.
Lassie was a collie.
Bush was the useful idiot.
Reagan was the whiney sheepdog.
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OK, but was Lassie a DNC Centrist
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vwvParticipantI know you are trying BT. I see that. That post of mine was as much a reminder to myself as anything else.
I just hate rancorous, endless, get-nowhere, no-point-in-it, Bickering.
Lets say bnw goes “yawn” — well, why react at all? Why…react…at…all?
We react because of emotions. Thats all. Emotions. Yes? No?w
vWell, I thought I responded with humor after the “yawn,” suggesting that he get more sleep and maybe try Melatonin. And then after the third or fourth “yawn,” I upped the ante to Ambien.
I thought you liked humor.
Okay, okay. No reaction is better.
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I didnt realize Obama wears a watch. I didnt know people
still wore watches.w
vwvParticipant… In that light I suspect he is a moderate-which of course will piss of the leftists. But as I age I’ve come to realize that for me labels mean little.
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Well, myself, i find labels quite useful. I mean George Bush was a “Rightwinger”.
I think the label fits just fine. Bernie is a “new deal progressive” or a “democratic-socialist” etc. Reagan was a useful-idiot. Mike Martz was a paranoid wizard.
Lassie was a whiney sheepdog. ….see, perfectly useful labels.Seriously, i think labels are just fine, depending on context.
I mean if labels dont matter and are meaningless then Trump is the same as Hillary, right?
We cant use words to differentiate them?w
vwvParticipantWV,
I understand your take on this. The video, then, was a way of getting us to take stock of ourselves? At least indirectly?
Okay. That’s fine.
It may not seem this way to you, but I’ve always tried really hard not to start fights. I usually finish them and generally won’t back down when others start them. But I try my best not to take the first shot. As a flawed human being, like everyone else, I fail at this from time to time. But, overall, I think my record on that is pretty good in the real world and online as well. It’s a combination of the way I was brought up, my relatively small stature as a kid, and the evolution of my own personal philosophy over time. I eventually grew a lot, thank goddess, both physically and philosophically, but battling bullies has always stayed with me, to this day. I kinda follow Woodrow Call in this, though with a word substitution or two:
I hate the behavior of bullies. I won’t tolerate it.
So, anyway. Back to this particular board. It’s also been my thing that criticism of public figures should be okay. Criticism of political parties, economic systems, organized religions, etc. etc. What crosses the line, in my view, is when it turns personal. As long as we debate the relative merits of this or that public policy, government program, public figure or ideology, what have you, I think adults should be able to handle this without getting upset. If adults do get upset, it may be time to question the intensity of investment in things largely beyond our control.
It’s kinda like the old Warner/Bulger wars. I don’t get how someone could take criticism of either of them personally — as a direct slap in the face, or worse. It’s not them. It’s not their career’s being discussed, etc. etc.
Bottom line: I’ll do my best to avoid “bickering and ranting” here. That’s all I can do.
Hope all is well.
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I know you are trying BT. I see that. That post of mine was as much a reminder to myself as anything else.I just hate rancorous, endless, get-nowhere, no-point-in-it, Bickering.
Lets say bnw goes “yawn” — well, why react at all? Why…react…at…all?
We react because of emotions. Thats all. Emotions. Yes? No?w
vwvParticipantYou have an easygoing, thoughtful manner that I’ve always admired. Because of that I think it’s easier for you to stay above the fray than it is for others.
I have been loving the discussions here of late. I’m glad Billy has come back and I enjoy bnw’s take on things although I seldom agree. But I do worry that, as the board grows and more voices are added that it could become increasingly difficult to keep the emotions in check as they have been up to now (for the most part).
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Yeah, this place works because its small. If there were more rightwingers to balance out the leftwingers It would be a warzone, again. Even with Mods. I suspect.
As far as me being easy-going…Maybe, but i went batshit-crazy in the old wars.
But I’m a grizzled old man now, and I have no stomach for war anymore. Ya know.
Not unless its unavoidable.Plus, its just plain good ‘practice’ for ‘me’ to post with bnw. I often want to ‘react’ emotionally. But i take a breath allow myself an inner-primal-scream, and
then I move on. 🙂Its good practice. Seriously. The country is full of people that think like bnw, so
I am trying to practice getting along with people who think differently. Its not easy for me, or bnw, or any of us. We should try though, imho. We should try especially hard if we feel insulted. Thats when the practice actually matters.w
vwvParticipantWV,
I don’t know who the narrator is, but it’s baffling how any sane person can “respect” Alex Jones, IMO. He’s easily one of the most despicable public figures on America’s right-wing fringe, a true know-nothing, knuckle-dragging, paranoid moron and bully.
He’s always on and on about “false flags” whenever there is a mass shooting. He called the one in Sandy Hook a “false flag” operation, and thinks the Oklahoma City bombings were orchestrated by the government. And these are always supposedly designed to take away everyone’s “gun rights,” which for Alex Jones, means the right to gun down fellow Americans if Alex Jones thinks they’re a part of a tyrannical government. The circular logic there being, it’s “tyrannical” for the government to want to put limits on weaponry, etc.
Needless to say, he’s a Truther, and executive produced the absurdist “loose change” video.
I have no idea if he truly believes the bat-shit crazy things he says, or he just does all of that to make money. Either way, he doesn’t deserve anyone’s “respect.”
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Yeah, i understand about the narrator, i had the same reaction.
And I almost always agree with the Turks, in general, and I think Alex
has things wrong as I’ve said before. (But the Alex Jones phenomenon is very interesting to me, as is the Trump phenomenon)But my primary gut takeaway from that vid was — no-one ever looks good when they are ranting, angry or doing the heated-bickering thing. It turns everyone off. I mean, I like the Turks and I just winced at all that hostility and venom.
Just my opinion, but for ‘me’ thats the exact reason i quit posting on the old Pol Board.
And…its why i dont read posts between you and bnw anymore. The animosity just turns me off. Not why i come here. Its separate from ‘who’s right’ or ‘who do i agree with’.
I want a board thats fun to read. The Pol board died because it was not fun.This is a very very very difficult thing we are trying here. A social experiment. Can we keep things informative, interesting, fun, quirky, insightful, surprising….while talking about science, humans, politics, religion…. Can that be done? Do we all have to ‘react’ to every post we disagree with?
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vwvParticipantwhat do you think of Hillary’s VP choice?
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vwvParticipant…If I’m President and one of my principal goals is to feed the poor and cloth and house the homeless and to do it I have to…(you get the point).
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And i would vote for that kind of robin-hood-‘corruption’ anyday.But that aint what they do. The money is getting funneled ‘up’
not ‘down’.Anyway, on a side note I was at my mom’s house today, and she has a TV
thats hooked up to cable, so i watched about 30 minutes of CNN covering
the Dem stuff. Good lord what a wasteland TV has become. Maybe it always was, i dunno.
Here’s an example of the news ‘coverage’ — CNN showed a clip of Donald making a speech before he invited his VP on stage. Then CNN showed a clip of Hillary and her VP walking out on the stage Together — and the discussion was all about which strategy was better.They analyzed that important issue until i couldnt take it anymore.
Not a single second was devoted to any ‘policy’ discussion in that 30 minutes or so, I watched.
Vast Wasteland, tv is. Vast.
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vwvParticipant“…As recently as May, the foundation donated $2,500 to help purchase a Labrador retriever dog for the St. Charles County Police Department’s cyber crime unit…”
Why would a cyber crime unit
need a Labrador Retriever?w
vwvParticipantBut unless Jesus was a rotifer or Komodo dragon then parthenogenesis wouldn’t explain the virgin birth. Besides, organisms that employ the XX, XY chromosome system (as humans do) and undergo parthenogenesis can only produce a clone of the mother because no Y chromosome is present. That means Jesus had to be a woman.
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I think Jesus was a bowler.
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vJuly 22, 2016 at 1:26 pm in reply to: Another day of the GOP convention, another night of terror #49133wvParticipantRonald Schmidt
The damage done to the country by a Trump presidency has already started. His campaign exhorted Americans to racial violence, rabid misogyny, and self-pitying xenophobia; his speech last night told his supporters that they are right to have embraced those messages because their lives and their nation are in danger … and then he offered a solution. Not the solution of American ideals, or of solidarity with each other, or even of faith (which are the solutions offered by the campaign speeches throughout our history that we still remember). The solution he offered was himself, that he will be our voice, that he will “fix it.” This radical, militant, fascism has already done damage to the nation and to the lives of real people; the general campaign will make it worse. The cost of his election would be far greater. “Trump is telling his followers their racist gut instincts are right — and are the only thing that can save them. Donald Trump went to great lengths tonight to tie together ‘mass immigration, mass lawlessness,” and crime. He said this to a supporter base that often, cognitively, conflates ‘illegal immigrants’ with ‘immigrants,’ and ‘immigrants’ with ‘Latinos.’ He said this to supporters who sometimes feel they “just know” when someone else waiting in line at the employment office is ‘illegal.’ He told them they were right to feel overwhelmed and they were right to be afraid, and that if they weren’t careful they could be killed. By the same token, he told his audience of mostly white Americans — mainly living in racially segregated, low-crime suburban neighborhoods — that they should be extremely worried about being victimized by crime. The danger posed by Trump supporters going about their business armed with weaponized white fear is more Renisha McBrides and more Tamir Rices. It has a cost in nonwhite bodies and lives.” http://www.vox.com/2016/7/22/12254212/trump-rnc-speech-racist?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
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Sigh. Yes, crooked-Donald is Frankenstein. And crooked-Hillary is Dracula.
And American doesnt have to vote for either one.
But Americans dont want to “waste their votes” so
they will vote for a monster.No-one is twisting their voting-arms.
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vwvParticipantBut that doesn’t counter the great amount of harm done by a very few hyper-religious people. Pence, Cruz, Santorum etc.
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Well, i dont agree that its a ‘very few’ hyper-religious humans.
There’s Billions of em. With a B.w
vwvParticipantSo, 85 or over, it is.
Against SF that was 12 for 21 for 191 yards, 1 TD.
(gurley had 133 yards )Against ariz that was 16 for 24, for 171 yards, 3 TDs.
(gurley had 146 yards)w
vwvParticipantAll of the above can be said of atheist communist dictators too of which I’m sure communist purges have done worse.
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Well, I would never argue that if you could eliminate fundamentalist-religions
the world’s problems would go away. I mean, you’d still have the great biosphere killing beast of Corporatism, for example.And yes, you can have genocidal-atheists, certainly.
The Talking Monkey have many flaws.
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vwvParticipantYeah, this has fascinated and appalled me about humans for many years.
I mean, here you have a Brain Surgeon. A rightwing brain surgeon. Who’s had all kinds of “formal education” — and he believes fervently and sincerely in the devil and jeezus and angels and demons and walking on water and the garden of eden and all the rest.
And millions and millions and millions of other Americans believe all that, too.
I keep raising this issue myself every so often, because i think its one of
the most salient aspects of modern-humans. I dont know quite what to ‘do’
with this point.Talking monkeys. Technological-wizard monkeys.
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vwvParticipantThe folks we should worry the most about doing that claim to love the flag
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True.
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wvParticipantMy questions are rhetorical.
1) Burning the flag: “I have a severe dislike of what the flag stands for”.
2) Goals: ” I need for people to know how I feel”.
No need for me to do an exhaustive research on the subject.
Simplicity is not evil/
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Nah, that seems Over-simplified to me. Because the way you phrase it
he is just “against” things. But i am sure he is also ‘for’ things.
What things?w
vJuly 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm in reply to: huddle board exclusive–we set up a board chat with the football gods #49041wvParticipantI would like to know who would win a football game
between the Lanasters and the Starks.w
vwvParticipantWell, there’s the substantive-content of a person’s views,
and then there’s the ‘strategy’ they decide to use to further their goals.I’d probly agree with a lot of that guy’s substantive-content,
but his strategy (flag burning) is probably counter-productive
at this time and place. I would think. I dunno.Maybe Trump paid him to do it 🙂
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vJuly 20, 2016 at 8:13 pm in reply to: Another day of the GOP convention, another night of terror #49036wvParticipantWV-Mom report. wv-mom said to me that she has
watched almost all of the Convention of Reps,
and this is her takeaway:Donald Trumps children are lovely.
Adorable. They ‘hit a home-run’ at the convention.Donald Trumps super-model wife speaks five languages
and she ‘hit a home-run’ at the convention.Hillary’s favorite author wrote a book, and the Author
dedicated the book to LUCIFER.Donald Trump is a good christian and MSNBC and CNN are vile, liberal,
friends of Hillary.If Hillary becomes President of the United States of America,
satan will celebrate and the Lord will abandon this country.Ok, this has been the wv-mom report on the Convention of Reps.
sigh
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vJuly 19, 2016 at 4:35 pm in reply to: All Seven Rounds Of Dallas Cowboys 2016 Draft Board Rankings Leaked #48994wvParticipantSnowden again.
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vJuly 19, 2016 at 3:11 pm in reply to: mayors speaking out about open carry, policing, blacklivesmatter, etc. #48993wvParticipantRawlings said. “But it’s got to start with our self-esteem as a police force and understand 99 percent of what they do is what we want and that we’re proud of them. Sometimes, people hear what they want to hear in those conversations.”
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no-one knows what ‘percent’ of what an entire police dept does
is good. I mean how would we know how much corruption goes on?w
vJuly 18, 2016 at 9:24 pm in reply to: audio: Marc Bulger on playing with such good WRs & taking over from Kurt #48965wvParticipantLucky for Marc he had such a great OLine
those last two yearsw
vI keep being surprised at how that issue gets overlooked.
The Rams had a string of OL injuries from 2007-9 that was like nothing any of us have seen. (The injury epidemic stopped in 2010 and then got going again in 2011, with a vengeance.)
And it’s obvious that the ineffective OLs took Bulger down with him. Not just in terms of injuries, but also in terms of his overall play.
And…no complaints from him.
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I’ve decided this will be on your tombstone:
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The Rams had a string of OL injuries from 2007-9 that was like nothing any of us have seen. (The injury epidemic stopped in 2010 and then got going again in 2011, with a vengeance.)
And it’s obvious that the ineffective OLs took Bulger down with him. Not just in terms of injuries, but also in terms of his overall play.
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vJuly 18, 2016 at 7:28 pm in reply to: audio: Marc Bulger on playing with such good WRs & taking over from Kurt #48957wvParticipantIts funny when fans think of the Toughest Rams,
they think of Youngblood, Hacksaw, Kevin Greene, Merlin, that sort of thing.But I would have to say, Marc Bulger was the toughest
Ram player i ever saw. I think. I mean who can really say…but…w
vHis last two seasons it seemed as if he was always playing with broken ribs.
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Yeah, and that does tend to affect one’s ability to
do the job of Quarterbacking in the NFL.Lucky for Marc he had such a great OLine
those last two years 🙂w
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