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wvParticipantWhat do u boyz think of this here? Yes? No?
“….An equal longer-term danger, however, is the likelihood that we will find ourselves with no critical politics other than a desiccated leftism capable only of counting, parsing, hand-wringing, administering, and making up “Just So” stories about dispossession and exploitation recast in the evocative but politically sterile language of disparity and diversity. This is neoliberalism’s version of a left. Radicalism now means only a very strong commitment to antidiscrimination, a point from which Democratic liberalism has not retreated. Rather, it’s the path Democrats have taken in retreating from a commitment to economic justice.
Confusion and critical paralysis prompted by the racial imagery of Obama’s election prevented even sophisticated intellectuals like Žižek from concluding that Obama was only another Clintonite Democrat — no more, no less. It is how Obama could be sold, even within the left, as a hybrid of Martin Luther King Jr. and Neo from The Matrix. The triumph of identity politics, condensed around the banal image of the civil rights insurgency and its legacy as a unitary “black liberation movement,” is what has enabled Obama successfully to present himself as the literal embodiment of an otherwise vaporous progressive politics. In this sense his election is most fundamentally an expression of the limits of the left in the United States — its decline, demoralization, and collapse….”
Adolph Reed
wvParticipantAn integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people.
There’s some truth to that…and also a lot of bs to that.
For his argument to work there have to be a lot of people with fixed, one-note political visions. So for example if you’re into LGBT issues you can’t notice class, or capitalist power structures.
Well I know so many people who defy that one-note idea that all I can do when I read statements like that is roll my eyes.
The problem isn’t “identity politics,” it’s what he thinks it is. The problem is his overly categorical perceptions. I routinely rub elbows with people who just don’t reduce to his simple categories. Really—I mean for me, that’s an everyday thing.
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Well, i have no doubt that what you rub-elbows-with is true.
But i can tell you that I rub elbows with the people he is describing all the time. Routinely. Very common here. Identity-politics-one-noters.
And why would that be surprising? Corporate-capitalism gets
poured into their heads from day one. Maybe Portland Maine is different than West Virginia.w
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wvParticipantYou know my take.
I don’t give us 50…And I got 4 kids, so that’s a particularly bleak outlook.
But as carbon approaches 500ppm and solar output begins to increase…yeah, it’s gonna really start to ramp up…and right quick.
Real estate prices are rebounding nicely here in FL and I’m actually thinking about moving.
I may wait a year or two if I can hold out that long, but beyond that? I dunno…
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Maybe Appalachia will be the new
Palm Beach ?I’ll save you an acre or two, Mack.
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wvParticipantWell, lets say Trump wins. Is there a silver lining?
Maybe, the Democraps wake up and see that the DNC crowd
has ruined the party and turned it into Republican-lite,
and maybe they realize they need to turn left — toward Bernie-type candidates.Yes? No?
My gut tells me Hillary wins, though. I simply do not think
the undecideds and tepid-middle-grounders will feel
safe with Trump. They know Hillary. They dont know Trump.
He’s too scary for them. Hillary just means more of the
same which is fine with them.I gotta go vote today. Today is WV’s primary.
My Bernie sign will be lit up all day today 🙂w
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wvParticipantJesus, Mackeyser, if you would post more, I wouldn’t have to spend time posting at all. That is exactly what I see in Hillary, and exactly how I see the gravity of the situation vis-a-vis Bernie.
Maybe it will be society’s epitaph: “At the last possible moment, they almost voted for a candidate who would do something about the crisis.”
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Requiem
When the last living thing
has died on account of us,
how poetical it would be
if Earth could say,
in a voice floating up
perhaps
from the floor
of the Grand Canyon,
“It is done.”
People did not like it here.Kurt Vonnegut
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wvParticipantI mean, ideologically, she’s more aligned with the Republicans of the late 80s than Democrats of 2016, but she’s now trying to pass herself off as a PROGRESSIVE…
How is that not a laughable notion???
She stood up in front of God and everybody and all, but endorsed John McCain for his “experience” over Obama because all he had was…a “speech”.
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But her rise as well as Trumps is more a function of our reduction into a retarded tribalism.—————-
When did she support McCain??I think she may very well think of herself as a ‘progressive’ Mack.
Coz nowadays, people think so much in terms of “identity politix” that if you support the right for people to go into a whatever
bathroom they want, you are considered ‘progressive.’“Class” discussions are off the table. Race, sex, and gender stuff now make you a ‘progressive’.
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vMay 10, 2016 at 10:05 am in reply to: Stan Kroenke’s memory may be a little foggy on Kurt Warner #43759
wvParticipantI have no way of knowing if Kroenke said some nice
things about Kurt back before DV made his decision.But it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if SK watched a little
of Kurt on tape or in person, and noted that he had good vision,
and mentioned it to DV, who then ignored it or forgot the
matter totally.I basically agree with zn on JT and SK and the
not making mountains out of mole-hills concerning
all the various human-flaws out there…I mean, i ‘note’ them
and sometimes comment on them, but i cant get
all worked up about them….etc.I mean, its football, not Nam.
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wvParticipantWho did he go up against? Just curious.
I mean, if it was mediocre pass-rushers
than it aint that impressive, right?w
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wvParticipanthttp://harpers.org/archive/2014/03/nothing-left-2/
“…Democrats’ left are infected with electoralitis. Each election now becomes a moment of life-or-death urgency that precludes dissent or even reflection. For liberals, there is only one option in an election year, and that is to elect, at whatever cost, whichever Democrat is running. This modus operandi has tethered what remains of the left to a Democratic Party that has long since renounced its commitment to any sort of redistributive vision and imposes a willed amnesia on political debate. True, the last Democrat was really unsatisfying, but this one is better; true, the last Republican didn’t bring destruction on the universe, but this one certainly will. And, of course, each of the “pivotal” Supreme Court justices is four years older than he or she was the last time.
Why does this tailing behind an increasingly right-of-center Democratic Party persist in the absence of any apparent payoff? ..”
wvParticipantMarx once wrote said that one of the principle products of capitalism was stupidity.
This afternoon as I was rushing to get ready to go out I was watching a David Suzuki show on TV. It was about how mining was impacting the indigenous people of Peru. The part that I saw was about how Hunt Oil, a company from Texas, wanted to go in and do exploratory drilling to investigate the feasibilty of setting up shop in the Amazon Rainforest. The environmental impact while hardly surprising was severe, but the part that I found most disturbing or disappointing was the social impact that Hunt Oil was having on the tribes people. According to the show, Hunt Oil focused on villages that were candidates for being influenced by he lure of money. It was described as a divide and conquer strategy. One village was offered $30 000. The villagers gathered to discuss hat to do with the money. One of the leaders pushed for using the money for medical purposes, but in the end the people decided to divide the money up equally among the families. The whole situation caused social problems that the indigenous people had never had to deal with before. It was an older episode, so I’m not sure what has happened since. Anyway, the stupidity part of the quote you cited above made me think about what I had watched.
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Yeah, that anecdote you wrote about is repeated a gazzilion times
a year in a gazillion places and contexts. Happens in WV prettymuch the same way, with fracking. The land-sellers make a few bucks, the corpse make a ton of money and the enivironment/biosphere bleeds more every year.It aint gettin better.
Kinda looks like the dinosaurs will have a longer run
than the humans. Who knows though.w
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wvParticipantTwo quotes from the race/class article above:
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“…We live under a regime now that is capable simultaneously of including black people and Latinos, even celebrating that inclusion as a fulfillment of democracy, while excluding poor people without a whimper of opposition. Of course, those most visible in the excluded class are disproportionately black and Latino, and that fact gives the lie to the celebration. Or does it really?…”
————-“… I remain curious why the “debate” over antiracism as a politics takes such indirect and evasive forms—like the analogizing and guilt by association, moralistic bombast in lieu of concrete argument—and why it persists in establishing, even often while denying the move, the terms of debate as race vs. class. I’m increasingly convinced that a likely reason is that the race line is itself a class line, one that is entirely consistent with the neoliberal redefinition of equality and democracy. It reflects the social position of those positioned to benefit from the view that the market is a just, effective, or even acceptable system for rewarding talent and virtue and punishing their opposites and that, therefore, removal of “artificial” impediments to its functioning like race and gender will make it even more efficient and just.
From this perspective even the “left” antiracist line that we must fight both economic inequality and racial inequality, which seems always in practice to give priority to “fighting racism” (often theorized as a necessary precondition for doing anything else), looks suspiciously like only another version of the evasive “we’ll come back for you” (after we do all the business-friendly stuff) politics that the Democrats have so successfully employed to avoid addressing economic injustice.”
wvParticipanthttp://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Antiracism.html
The limits of anti-racism by Adolph Reed Jr.
Antiracism is a favorite concept on the American left these days. Of course, all good sorts want to be against racism, but what does the word mean exactly?
The contemporary discourse of “antiracism” is focused much more on taxonomy than politics. It emphasizes the name by which we should call some strains of inequality—whether they should be broadly recognized as evidence of “racism”— over specifying the mechanisms that produce them or even the steps that can be taken to combat them. And, no, neither “overcoming racism” nor “rejecting whiteness” qualifies as such a step any more than does waiting for the “revolution” or urging God’s heavenly intervention. If organizing a rally against racism seems at present to be a more substantive political act than attending a prayer vigil for world peace, that’s only because contemporary antiracist activists understand themselves to be employing the same tactics and pursuing the same ends as their predecessors in the period of high insurgency in the struggle against racial segregation.
This view, however, is mistaken. The postwar activism that reached its crescendo in the South as the “civil rights movement” wasn’t a movement against a generic “racism;” it was specifically and explicitly directed toward full citizenship rights for black Americans and against the system of racial segregation that defined a specific regime of explicitly racial subordination in the South. The 1940s March on Washington Movement was also directed against specific targets, like employment discrimination in defense production. Black Power era and post-Black Power era struggles similarly focused on combating specific inequalities and pursuing specific goals like the effective exercise of voting rights and specific programs of redistribution.
Clarity lost
Whether or not one considers those goals correct or appropriate, they were clear and strategic in a way that “antiracism” simply is not. Sure, those earlier struggles relied on a discourse of racial justice, but their targets were concrete and strategic. It is only in a period of political demobilization that the historical specificities of those struggles have become smoothed out of sight in a romantic idealism that homogenizes them into timeless abstractions like “the black liberation movement”—an entity that, like Brigadoon, sporadically appears and returns impelled by its own logic.
Ironically, as the basis for a politics, antiracism seems to reflect, several generations downstream, the victory of the postwar psychologists in depoliticizing the critique of racial injustice by shifting its focus from the social structures that generate and reproduce racial inequality to an ultimately individual, and ahistorical, domain of “prejudice” or “intolerance.” (No doubt this shift was partly aided by political imperatives associated with the Cold War and domestic anticommunism.) Beryl Satter’s recent book on the racialized political economy of “contract buying” in Chicago in the 1950s and 1960s, Family Properties: Race, Real Estate, and the Exploitation of Black Urban America, is a good illustration of how these processes worked; Robert Self’s book on Oakland since the 1930s, American Babylon, is another. Both make abundantly clear the role of the real estate industry in creating and recreating housing segregation and ghettoization.
Tasty bunny
All too often, “racism” is the subject of sentences that imply intentional activity or is characterized as an autonomous “force.” In this kind of formulation, “racism,” a conceptual abstraction, is imagined as a material entity. Abstractions can be useful, but they shouldn’t be given independent life.
I can appreciate such formulations as transient political rhetoric; hyperbolic claims made in order to draw attention and galvanize opinion against some particular injustice. But as the basis for social interpretation, and particularly interpretation directed toward strategic political action, they are useless. Their principal function is to feel good and tastily righteous in the mouths of those who propound them. People do things that reproduce patterns of racialized inequality, sometimes with self-consciously bigoted motives, sometimes not. Properly speaking, however, “racism” itself doesn’t do anything more than the Easter Bunny does.
Yes, racism exists, as a conceptual condensation of practices and ideas that reproduce, or seek to reproduce, hierarchy along lines defined by race. Apostles of antiracism frequently can’t hear this sort of statement, because in their exceedingly simplistic version of the nexus of race and injustice there can be only the Manichean dichotomy of those who admit racism’s existence and those who deny it. There can be only Todd Gitlin (the sociologist and former SDS leader who has become, both fairly and as caricature, the symbol of a “class-first” line) and their own heroic, truth-telling selves, and whoever is not the latter must be the former. Thus the logic of straining to assign guilt by association substitutes for argument.
My position is—and I can’t count the number of times I’ve said this bluntly, yet to no avail, in response to those in blissful thrall of the comforting Manicheanism—that of course racism persists, in all the disparate, often unrelated kinds of social relations and “attitudes” that are characteristically lumped together under that rubric, but from the standpoint of trying to figure out how to combat even what most of us would agree is racial inequality and injustice, that acknowledgement and $2.25 will get me a ride on the subway. It doesn’t lend itself to any particular action except more taxonomic argument about what counts as racism.
Do what now?
And here’s a practical catch-22. In the logic of antiracism, exposure of the racial element of an instance of wrongdoing will lead to recognition of injustice, which in turn will lead to remedial action—though not much attention seems ever given to how this part is supposed to work. I suspect this is because the exposure part, which feels so righteously yet undemandingly good, is the real focus. But this exposure convinces only those who are already disposed to recognize.
Those who aren’t so disposed have multiple layers of obfuscating ideology, mainly forms of victim-blaming, through which to deny that a given disparity stems from racism or for that matter is even unjust. The Simi Valley jury’s reaction to the Rodney King tape, which saw King as perp and the cops as victims, is a classic illustration. So is “underclass” discourse. Victimization by subprime mortgage scams can be, and frequently is, dismissed as the fault of irresponsible poor folks aspiring beyond their means. And there is no shortage of black people in the public eye—Bill Cosby and Oprah Winfrey are two prime examples, as is Barack Obama—who embrace and recycle those narratives of poor black Americans’ wayward behavior and self-destructive habits.
And how does a simple narrative of “racism” account for the fact that so many black institutions, including churches and some racial advocacy organizations, and many, many black individuals actively promoted those risky mortgages as making the “American Dream of home ownership” possible for “us”? Sure, there are analogies available—black slave traders, slave snitches, “Uncle Toms” and various race traitors—but those analogies are moral judgments, not explanations. And to mention them only opens up another second-order debate about racial authenticity—about who “really” represents the black community. Even Clarence Thomas sees himself as a proud black man representing the race’s best interests.
My point is that it’s more effective politically to challenge the inequality and injustice directly and bypass the debate over whether it should be called “racism.”
I do recognize that, partly because of the terms on which the civil rights movement’s victories have been achieved, there is a strong practical imperative for stressing the racially invidious aspects of injustices: they have legal remedies. Race is one of the legal classes protected by anti-discrimination law; poverty, for instance, is not. But this makes identifying “racism” a technical requirement for pursuing certain grievances, not the basis of an overall political strategy for pursuit of racial justice, or, as I believe is a clearer left formulation, racial equality as an essential component of a program of social justice.
Anti-Marx
I’ve been struck by the level of visceral and vitriolic anti-Marxism I’ve seen from this strain of defenders of antiracism as a politics. It’s not clear to me what drives it because it takes the form of snide dismissals than direct arguments. Moreover, the dismissals typically include empty acknowledgment that “of course we should oppose capitalism,” whatever that might mean. In any event, the tenor of this anti-Marxism is reminiscent of those right-wing discourses, many of which masqueraded as liberal, in which only invoking the word “Marxism” was sufficient to dismiss an opposing argument or position.
This anti-Marxism has some curious effects. Leading professional antiracist Tim Wise came to the defense of Obama’s purged green jobs czar Van Jones by dismissing Jones’s “brief stint with a pseudo-Maoist group,” and pointing instead to “his more recent break with such groups and philosophies, in favor of a commitment to eco-friendly, sustainable capitalism.” In fact, Jones was a core member of a revolutionary organization, STORM, that took itself very seriously, almost comically so.
And are we to applaud his break with radical politics in favor of a style of capitalism that few actual capitalists embrace? This is the substance of Wise’s defense.
This sort of thing only deepens my suspicions about antiracism’s status within the comfort zone of neoliberalism’s discourses of “reform.” More to the point, I suspect as well that this vitriol toward radicalism is rooted partly in the conviction that a left politics based on class analysis and one focused on racial injustice are Manichean alternatives.
Devolutions
This is also a notion of fairly recent provenance, in part as well another artifact of the terms on which the civil rights victories were consolidated, including the emergence of a fully incorporated black political class in the 1970s and its subsequent evolution. By contrast, examining, for example, the contributions to historian and civil rights activist Rayford Logan’s 1944 volume What the Negro Wants, one sees quite a different picture. Nearly all the contributors—including nominal conservatives—to this collection of analyses from a broad cross section of black scholars and activists asserted in very concrete terms that the struggle for racial justice and the general struggle for social and industrial democracy were more than inseparable, that the victory of the former largely depended on the success of the latter. This was, at the time, barely even a matter for debate: rather, it was the frame of reference for any black mass politics and protest activity.
As I suggest above, various pressures of the postwar period—including carrots of success and sticks of intimidation and witch-hunting, as well as the articulation of class tensions within the Civil Rights movement itself—drove an evolution away from this perspective and toward reformulation of the movement’s goals along lines more consonant with postwar, post-New Deal, Cold War liberalism. Thus what the political scientist Preston Smith calls “racial democracy” came gradually to replace social democracy as a political goal—the redress of grievances that could be construed as specifically racial took precedence over the redistribution of wealth, and an individualized psychology replaced notions of reworking the material sphere. This dynamic intensified with the combination of popular demobilization in black politics and emergence of the post-segregation black political class in the 1970s and 1980s.
We live under a regime now that is capable simultaneously of including black people and Latinos, even celebrating that inclusion as a fulfillment of democracy, while excluding poor people without a whimper of opposition. Of course, those most visible in the excluded class are disproportionately black and Latino, and that fact gives the lie to the celebration. Or does it really? From the standpoint of a neoliberal ideal of equality, in which classification by race, gender, sexual orientation or any other recognized ascriptive status (that is, status based on what one allegedly is rather than what one does) does not impose explicit, intrinsic or necessary limitations on one’s participation and aspirations in the society, this celebration of inclusion of blacks, Latinos and others is warranted.
We’ll be back!
But this notion of democracy is inadequate, since it doesn’t begin to address the deep and deepening patterns of inequality and injustice embedded in the ostensibly “neutral” dynamics of American capitalism. What A. Philip Randolph and others—even anticommunists like Roy Wilkins—understood in the 1940s is that what racism meant was that, so long as such dynamics persisted without challenge, black people and other similarly stigmatized populations would be clustered on the bad side of the distribution of costs and benefits. To extrapolate anachronistically to the present, they would have understood that the struggle against racial health disparities, for example, has no real chance of success apart from a struggle to eliminate for-profit health care.
These seem really transparent points to me, but maybe that’s just me. I remain curious why the “debate” over antiracism as a politics takes such indirect and evasive forms—like the analogizing and guilt by association, moralistic bombast in lieu of concrete argument—and why it persists in establishing, even often while denying the move, the terms of debate as race vs. class. I’m increasingly convinced that a likely reason is that the race line is itself a class line, one that is entirely consistent with the neoliberal redefinition of equality and democracy. It reflects the social position of those positioned to benefit from the view that the market is a just, effective, or even acceptable system for rewarding talent and virtue and punishing their opposites and that, therefore, removal of “artificial” impediments to its functioning like race and gender will make it even more efficient and just.
From this perspective even the “left” antiracist line that we must fight both economic inequality and racial inequality, which seems always in practice to give priority to “fighting racism” (often theorized as a necessary precondition for doing anything else), looks suspiciously like only another version of the evasive “we’ll come back for you” (after we do all the business-friendly stuff) politics that the Democrats have so successfully employed to avoid addressing economic injustice.
Adolph Reed Jr. is a professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania.
wvParticipantPathetic tripe from a butt sore “senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations”. NAFTA, GATT, TPP loving economic traitor is so upset. I love it. I revel in his pain. Conservatives finally had outsider candidates from which to choose and they chose Trump because he spoke to the concerns of the vast majority of conservatives and isn’t beholden to the establishment. Total repudiation of the Bush brand. Same for Romney. When Trump wins Ryan needs to step down as Speaker or be voted out.
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Well I can’t tell the future, but my gut tells me,
the next Prez is Hillary. (barring an Indictment)I say that because, i think Trump (and maybe Sanders) have ‘ceilings’
that make it difficult for them to win over that critical ‘middle ground’ type voter. Ya know. A lot of them middle-ground types seem a bit
tepid to me. They dont like scary candidates. Given a choice between
a scary candidate and a calm non-scary candidate, i think they will go for the incrementalist — Hillary.Trump is gonna try real hard to reel in his ornery-ness
but i think its too late for him to get the skeerd voters.There’s a reason Obama never got all hot and fiery in eight
years. He knew the voters he had to reach and he knew
what ‘not’ to do. Trump’s mistake is thinking everyone
is as pissed off as his core supporters.I could be wrong of course, but thats how i see it.
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wvParticipantI have been waiting for Trump for a long long time.
The Destroyer.
The only thing that could give him the Presidency
is a pre-election Indictment of Clinton.w
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wvParticipantHow?
That’s waaaaay too big a question for my little brain to handle. I’m just up here being the change I want to see.
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🙂 Fair enough.
Before i go plant bulbs,
I leave you with a Marx quote i read the other day.w
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“…Marx once wrote said that one of the principle products of capitalism was stupidity. The shit that has regularly cascaded from New York in the last twenty years has performed admirably its task of keeping people stupid. What pride can be taken in a line which has given us Moral Fiction, Minimalism, the Literary Brat Pack and now Generation X? Commercial publishing has perhaps, not been as single-minded in this task as television, but books have offered no solace for, let alone an alternative to the egregious cretinism of mass culture.”
Curtis White
wvParticipantWell, I’d say that Connor Cook’s dad is not a rare bread among fathers of football players. Or among fathers of non-football players, for that matter.
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Woulda been interesting if Cook had had Goff’s perceived-talent.
Would a team have drafted him number one,
knowing that sooner or later the ‘face of the franchise’
would have…oh i dunno what to call it….’Billy Carter’ moments?Oh, and PS — how come we diehard internet fans didn’t know
about those dad-texts before the draft? The internet
was slacking, I’d say.w
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wvParticipantInteresting.
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wvParticipantGood stuff.
Ultimate mystery stuff.
I still think its accurate to say
everything in the Universe is made of the
“same stuff”. Yes? No?I mean it all ‘came’ from the ‘stuff’
in the teeny-tiny ‘thing’ that ‘inflated’ itself.w
vUnless what came from that was DIFFERENT stuff.
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Well, we know YOU are made of
Different stuff.w
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wvParticipantJust watched this documentary. It was released in 2011 so perhaps this is old news to many here. Anyway, it spoke to me.
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Well, i think about this kind of stuff a lot,
and I cant give that director many points cause
he’s basically just talking to the choir and preaching to the choir. He went to smart, compassionate, educated, privileged people
and he asked them questions and they said basically
“we are all connected and we need to be nice to each other”.Yes? No?
Well, HOW are we supposed to accomplish this world-wide love-in ?
How?
I’d have liked it better if he’d talked to Isis members, Aryan Brotherhood members, Christian Fundamentalists, Jinogists, Nationalists, Flat-Earthers, etc, and tried to have a dialogue with THEM.
Cause without them, there aint gonna be any love-in.
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wvParticipantGood stuff.
Ultimate mystery stuff.
I still think its accurate to say
everything in the Universe is made of the
“same stuff”. Yes? No?I mean it all ‘came’ from the ‘stuff’
in the teeny-tiny ‘thing’ that ‘inflated’ itself.w
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wvParticipantI can’t make a call on this one. Could be these players are right
and they discovered all kinds of insights at this camp that they
were never taught by their OLine coaches. Or it could be
they are whining and/or pimping for the Bentley camp. I dunno.Boudreau himself complains that the new CBA does not allow him enough time to coach linemen.
So there’s that, too.
The other aspect for me is that you don’t publicly complain about position coaches. It is not of the “that which is done.”
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Well its not ‘classy’ to complain about position coaches,
but I cant say whether the substance of their complaints is valid
or not valid.w
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wvParticipantWhy does Goff like 16 ?
Speaking of rookie numbers, what do yall predict
his rookie QB-rating is going to be?What are the numbers on the other top-three-type picks who were QBs?
What were their rookie QB ratings? What was Andrew Lucks
for instance? Mariotta? Winston?RG3 had a 102.4
Cam had a 84.5
Big Ben had a 98
Andrew Luck 74.9
J Winston 86.1
Mariotta 91.5w
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wvParticipantI can’t make a call on this one. Could be these players are right
and they discovered all kinds of insights at this camp that they
were never taught by their OLine coaches. Or it could be
they are whining and/or pimping for the Bentley camp. I dunno.I will have to live out the question.
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wvParticipantApparently Capn A has been around a long time, I guess. I heard a snippet about him on npr and they said he was written in a propaganda context
back in the Nazi days around WW II.w
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wvParticipant“… I would say Trump’s campaign thus far has been far more in line with Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaigns as well as Ross Perot.”
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Could be. I can definitely see a lot of Perot and Pat Buchanan people
supporting Trump.Thing is, Buchanan didnt get the numbers Trump is getting. So, why the change? Same question i have about Bernie. Why now?
Very interesting election.
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wvParticipantBtw, Bernie was asked about the Republican’s popularity among the poor people of McDowell County, WV:
http://wvpublic.org/post/sanders-winning-back-wva-working-class-you-gotta-make-stand
“…why he thought the GOP was gaining popularity in low-income areas such as McDowell County, where he is visiting today.
“Now, if I lived in McDowell County and the unemployment rate was sky-high, and I saw my kid get addicted to opiates and go to jail, there were no jobs, you know what? I would be looking at Washington and saying ‘what are you guys doing for me?’ And I’m going to look for an alternative,” Sanders said.
“The Democratic Party must make a stand, and the stand is that you cannot be on the side of Wall Street. You cannot be on the side of that pharmaceutical industry — which, by the way, charges our people the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs — you gotta make a stand. And the stand we gotta make is the stand with the people in McDowell County, W.Va., and poor people and working people all over this country…
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…..You know when we talk about poverty, Steve, we often think, well, it’s too bad somebody can’t afford a flat-screen TV, or go out to eat. But what poverty is really about is that we have millions of people who are living — who are dying at ages much, much younger than they should. In McDowell County, where we’re going tomorrow, the average life expectancy for men in that county is 64 years of age. Sixty-four years of age.And yet you go a six-hour drive to Fairfax County, Va. — six-hour drive — a man can expect to live until the age of 82 years of age, 18 years longer than men in McDowell County…”
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…The question is, why is somebody with Donald Trump’s perspective appealing to Democrats?That gets back to the question we talked about at the beginning of this conversation. Has the Democratic Party, has the leadership made the case that they are standing there, fighting for the poor people of McDowell County, or the working people of Indiana, or of New Mexico, or of California? Have they stood up and said that “maybe we gotta take on the billionaire class, maybe it’s wrong that the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, maybe we should not be getting significant sums of money from Wall Street or from the pharmaceutical industry that charge us the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs,” you know, “maybe we’ve gotta stand with the people who for the last 20 or 30 years have seen a decline in their standard of living”?
You know, those are the issues that the Democratic Party has got to ask itself. And I think when it does, and it makes it clear that they are prepared to take on the big-money interests, I think the Democratic Party will do just fine — and that’s kind of what this campaign is about.
INSKEEP: Sen. Sanders, thanks very much
SANDERS: Thank you very much Steve. Take care.
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wvParticipant“He’s got the personality to embrace the market,” Fisher said of Goff.
———————I was worried about that.
I dont think they’ve had a QB who could “embrace the market”
since Joe Namath left.w
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wvParticipant“….Republican strategist Steve Schmidt — senior advisor for Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential bid and campaign manager for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s 2006 reelection — articulated it during an MSNBC postmortem Tuesday night: “The tone is disgusting” on much of talk radio and some cable TV.
“This cancer has spread and the tone has infested the whole Republican Party,” Schmidt said. It has been echoing for years, he continued, and “you arrive at this moment.”…”
——————Well, i dunno if I’d agree that rightwing-radio has caused
an acceptance of uncivil talk and twitter has caused a shortening of attention span, and both have paved the way for Trump.I dunno what lead to Trump, but I know part of it is simply that the Rep Party has been holding some very different factions together for a long time. And now some of those factions are splitting apart. I suspect some of the rightwing supporters who liked Ross Perot, are the ones supporting Trump now.
Somebody interviewed on npr today mentioned that Trump is like a ‘white board’ in that people see in him whatever they want to see.
NPR talked about Hillary and Trump all morning, btw. No mention of Bernie at all. I went to his rally in Morgantown yesterday and there were a couple of thousand folks there. His speech was the best political speech I’ve ever heard in person.
Whats the best pol speech you ever heard ?
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wvParticipantPaglia sometimes reminds me of Gore Vidal — not in her political positions, but just in the way she can rip someone to pieces. Ya know. No prisoners. Search and Destroy.
Anyway, I agree with Paglia on this part:
“…The most pernicious aspect of this Democratic campaign is the way the field was cleared long in advance for Hillary, a flawed candidate from the get-go, while an entire generation of able Democratic politicians in their 40s was muscled aside, on pain of implied severance from future party support. It is glaringly obvious, given how well Bernie Sanders (my candidate) has done despite a near total media blackout for the past year, that Hillary would never have survived to the nomination had she had younger, more well-known, and centrist challengers. Hillary’s front-runner status has been achieved by DNC machinations and an army of undemocratic super-delegate insiders, whose pet projects will be blessed by the Clinton golden hoard…”
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wvParticipantI’m pretty sure with this schedule and a rookie starting game 1 and our initial gauntlet of 3 of 4 in the division and 3 of 4 on the road… we’re gonna start out in a hole.
Thus, probably end up with 6 or 7 at best.Well, it could take a while for the Rams OLine injuries to pile up.
Ya know. They have more depth and experience on the OLine this year.
So, they could be good for the first month or so.w
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