nittany ram wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/30/concealed-carrier-prevents-mass-shooting-at-south-carolina-nightclub/

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“…Some might validly argue that the suspect’s intent in the Lyman nightclub incident (and whether the event fit a given definition of “mass shooting”) is irrelevant; all that matters is that a legally armed citizen was able to intervene in a shooting in progress and thereby possibly prevented additional injury (or even loss of life). That may be true, but in the absence of additional details about the event, unequivocally stating that a “mass shooting” was prevented is problematic….”

Enh. I dont care whether it was defined as a ‘mass shooting’ or not.

It is a case of one gun-carrier stopping another gun-carrier.

People will, of course, interpret that scenario to mean different things….

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zn wrote:

Phase 2.b

Astilbe & hostas.

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I do not like Astilbes. I just want you to know that.

Now i dont want any trouble. I mean the last thing we need
is another deadly, rancorous, malignant Asbilbe thread.

But i do not like them.

I dont think the Comanches liked them either.

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Interesting.

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Jeffrey Amhurst wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_Amherst,_1st_Baron_Amherst

Biological warfare involving smallpox

One of the most infamous and well documented issues during Pontiac’s War was the use of biological warfare against the Native Americans. The suggestion was posed by Amherst himself in letters to Colonel Henry Bouquet.[20] Amherst, having learned that smallpox had broken out among the garrison at Fort Pitt, and after learning of the loss of his forts at Venango, Le Boeuf and Presqu’Isle, wrote to Colonel Bouquet:[21]

Could it not be contrived to send the small pox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.

Bouquet, who was already marching to relieve Fort Pitt, agreed with this suggestion in a postscript when he responded to Amherst just days later on 13 July 1763:[22]

P.S. I will try to inocculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard’s Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.

In response, also in a postscript, Amherst replied:[22]

P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.

Historians Elizabeth Fenn and Benedict Kiernan have shown, “Fort Pitt had anticipated these orders. Reporting on parleys with Delaware chiefs on June 24, a trader [William Trent] wrote: ‘[We] gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.’ The military hospital records confirm that two blankets and handkerchiefs were ‘taken from people in the Hospital to Convey the Smallpox to the Indians.’ The fort commander paid for these items, which he certified ‘were had for the uses above mentioned.’ Historian Elizabeth Fenn has documented ‘the eruption of epidemic smallpox’ among Delaware and Shawnee Indians nearby, about the time the blankets were distributed.”[23][21]
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Seven Years’ War in North America: The French and Indian War, St. Lawrence and Mohawk theater

Amherst was summoned home, ostensibly so that he could be consulted on future military plans in North America, and was replaced pro tem as Commander-in-Chief, North America by Thomas Gage. Amherst expected to be praised for his conquest of Canada, however, once in London, he was instead asked to account for the recent Native American rebellion.[24] He was forced to defend his conduct, and faced complaints made by William Johnson and George Croghan, who lobbied the Board of Trade for his removal and permanent replacement by Gage. He was also severely criticised by military subordinates on both sides of the Atlantic.[25] Nevertheless, Amherst was promoted to lieutenant-general on 26 March 1765,[26] and became colonel of the 3rd Regiment of Foot in November 1768.[27]
On 26 March 1767 Jeffrey Amherst married Elizabeth, daughter of General George Cary (Joshua Reynolds, 1767)
Jeffrey Amherst, 1st Baron Amherst

On 22 October 1772, Amherst was appointed Lieutenant-General of the Ordnance,[28] and he soon gained the confidence of George III, who had initially hoped the position would go to a member of the Royal Family.[29] On 6 November 1772, he became a member of the Privy Council.[30]

American Revolutionary War
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Ozoneranger wrote:

You know, politics and religion are not conducive to polite society.

Wait, we don’t live in a polite society anymore. Intolerant hugs and cretins from both sides dominate the floor.

So, the question begs…Are you ready for some football?

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Ready for football? Oh yeah. Though I have no idea what the won/lost record is gonna look like this year. Goff is a rookie-mystery.

Btw, I assume that was a typo “Intolerant hugs”. But i liked it. I like that sentence:

“Intolerant hugs,
and Cretins, from both sides,
dominate the floor.”

There’s just something weird and salvadore-dali-ish about
the image that sentence creates in my brain.
I would have liked to have seen a Dali painting of the US Congress.
Or maybe Bosch.

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Well, it will be interesting to observe the ‘reactions’ to the new President.
What will be the reaction/results of four years of Trump, or Hillary?
Will they galvanize a new opposition force?
And which one will ‘get the most done’ whatever that may be…?

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Zooey wrote:

Yes, Trump is tempting on trade.

And he has zero chance of building a wall or deporting 11 million humans.

But I cannot have him appointing justices. He has already said he would appoint justices who would restrict liberties. He has said he will appoint justices who are anti-abortion. And he could appoint up to 3 more justices, and roll in right wing authoritarianism for a generation. Trump is no libertarian. He’s an authoritarian.

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You swinging back to voting for Hillary, Z ?

The Supreme Court and Federal Judge appointments ‘are’ the
one reason I feel the pull to vote for the lesser-of-two-very-Evils…but
…then I start thinkin about Hillary and…I’m just done with the NeoLib-NeoCons.

Just cant do it. I dont even know if I’m being ‘rational’ but
for the rest of my life I’m voting Green Party (or once in a blue-moon, for a Bernie type who happens to be in one of the corporate-parties.)

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Billy_T wrote:

I hear ya, WV, about his being alone.

I’ve been there, done that, too.

Just saying, I don’t like being called a liar. And I think it’s important to say so. Prior to that, I was trying to go the ignore route. It didn’t work so well.

And, ZN,

I understand what you’re saying as well, and will adhere to board policies. I also would understand if you thought my comments were over the line — Maginot or otherwise — and deserved a board time out. I wouldn’t argue against that, and it’s perhaps even “deserved,” given their content.

You guys decide, and I’ll abide. Btw, whatever happened to the poster with “the Dude” as his avatar?

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Thing is BT, its been obvious it was heading in this direction. Neutral observers could have called this one easily, a few days ago. So, picking out one ‘liar post’ ignores all the ‘build-up posts’. People feel all those build-up-posts and they lead to…what we have now. So, i dont think its fair to just point to a ‘breaking point post’. It loses the ugly-context thats been going on and on and on.

You and i share exactly the same politics. You and i are probably closer in pol-views than any two people on here — but i dont get into ugly fights with bnw. I have exactly the same views as you — and he knows it — but bnw and i dont get ugly. And i post all the same leftist stuff you do. So i dont ‘hold back’ my thots. So…..this isnt about politics. Its about personalities, i think.

Anyway, I’m done lecturing. Do what thou-est will.

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First off, i didnt even know Pat Buchannon was still alive 🙂

Second, i think this ‘free trade / globalization’ issue or cluster of issues is one of the most important topics of our times here on Earth.

I would have loved to see Trump and Sanders have a conversation about it. I’d like to know where they agree and disagree on it.

I like the fact Trump is against the Nafta/WTO stuff. Its why he’s such a wild-card. I cant stand a lot of his ideas…but this Nafta thing is HUGE. It’s what makes me think about the surreal notion that i might prefer Trump to Hillary (which isn’t saying much, but still)

Thing is, i dont agree with his “patriotism” mentality. I dont wanna care more about one human being than another. An american life is not more valuable than a chinese life or a mexican life, or a north korean life or an Iranian life. …Cant we have policies that are good for all-lives ? Yes? No?

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“You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. ”
(1919) GB Shaw

bnw wrote:

waterfield wrote:

I’m turning into a curmudgeon. So I’m headed to the beach to count the bikinis.

I’m so jealous. Is this you?

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On that we agree, bnw. On that we agree.

Damn that Waterfield.

I am hoping wv becomes beachfront property
in the coming years.

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