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wvParticipantright to film:https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/a-major-victory-for-the-right-to-record-police/533031/
Americans have a constitutional right to film on-duty police officers in public, a federal appeals court in Philadelphia ruled Friday. The three-judge panel’s decision is not the first of its kind, but it marks a significant milestone: Half of U.S. states are now covered by rulings protecting the videotaping of law enforcement.
In its decision in Fields v. City of Philadelphia, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals panel said the First Amendment’s protections extended to two people who used their smartphones to record police interactions with a third party….
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….Despite the broader victory on First Amendment grounds, the panel handed Fields and Geraci a major defeat on the lawsuit itself. Two of the three judges agreed with the city that qualified immunity applied for the officers in both situations, effectively shielding them from legal liability for the incidents. That drew a partial dissent from Judge Richard Nygaard, who agreed with his colleagues on the First Amendment question but parted ways on the qualified-immunity ruling….see link-
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wvParticipantListen to the Idiot-question by the MSM-er here:
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wvParticipant“…In Maryland the political establishment suffered stinging defeats, with the Bernie Sanders-endorsed Ben Jealous winning a six-week governor’s race in Democratic primary. He defeated party pick Prince George’s Executive Rushern Baker, who was endorsed by the entire Democratic Party establishment. Jealous promises Medicare for All, taxing the rich, legalizing pot to pay for universal pre-K, and a program that would offer public sector jobs to people the private sector won’t hire. He’ll face a formidable opponent in incumbent Larry Hogan in November. Hogan has thus far outfundraised all of his Democratic opponents combined, and enjoys high favorability ratings, even among Democrats.
Mary Washington and Antonio Hayes defeated incumbent senators in Maryland’s 43rd and 40th districts, and Obama administration alum Nate Loewenthal lost his bid to win a seat in the House of Delegates in the 41 District, despite raising over $400000. Meanwhile, uber-establishment incumbent U.S. Senator Ben Cardin cruised to victory over former NSA whistleblower, prisoner, and trans activist challenger Chelsea Manning, who also ran on abolishing ICE, but did not run much of a campaign…”
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wvParticipantI have the cooking skills of a second-grader. I suppose maybe the best thing i can manage is spaghetti squash. I bake it and then smear it with spicy-black-bean-hummus and goat cheese and whatever else i have lying around.
I am also known for my baked books.
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wvParticipantI think Immigration is a winning issue for Trump because I think it will energize his base more than it will energize the “blue” base.
And here is where I believe we are in this country. I think we are at a Crossroad. Probably the biggest Crossroad since the Civil War, but certainly the biggest Crossroad since the Civil Rights Act. I think that the pundits got it all wrong when they said Trump was appealing to blue collar folks who lost their union jobs, although there is some truth to that. I think the issue that we are actually fighting over is the picture of what America is.
Demographics are changing in this country. Whites are becoming a smaller percentage of the country, and Christians are becoming a smaller percentage of the country. That is the trend.
The people who love the idea of America as God’s Favorite Country, and a country founded on enlightened principles (insert whatever subjective vision of enlightened you want here, even if it contradicts history), a country of do-it-yourselfers who persevered against all odds to tame the wilderness and innovate itself without cumbersome government, a star-spangled awesome fireworks display of WHITE European descendants…those people are pitted against a pluralistic America, one that includes the Chinese New Year parades on equal footing with hotdogs at the 4th of July picnic, an America that believes the “justice for all” portion of the Pledge include LGBQT, Muslims, blacks, and god-knows-what-else, and which is simply willing to let Mayberry go away as a defining vision of America. That is what I think we are fighting about at its core.
Trump is willing to destroy the constitution (and the entire world alliance) in order to preserve the former, and the Ayn Randian Kochs, Mercers, and Cato Institute types are happy to slipstream his ass because he’s now the lead blocker for a breakaway run for absolute power.
But at its core, this is a Civil War over America’s Identity. That is the key issue. And Trump supporters right now are willing to have everything taken away from them if it means that the multi-culturalists don’t win. So Immigration is Trump’s strongest play with those people, and I believe he has the upper hand in that debate in the sense that I think more of his base will come out in response to that issue than the multi-culturalist’s base, as I said earlier.
A couple of things work against Trump and the GOP, though. One is that a lot of “swing voters” are going to be put off by the WAY he is going about this, and the way he is going about everything, basically. He is going to fire up the Party Uber Alles types, but alienate the swingers. That’s one thing against him. The other thing is that Mueller hangs over him like Damocles’ sword. Although Mueller has been about as off-the-record as possible, it was said that he wants to conclude his investigation sooner rather than later because he doesn’t want it to come out and influence the election before people have had proper time to process the report.
No matter what is going on right now at the border, and in the courts, and in the Red Hen, the Mueller Report is going to blow all of that away and completely redefined the midterm elections. And there is Stormy Daniels’ lawsuit. That stuff is going to make the difference in the end as to who votes, and how they vote.
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Well, I dont know. There are so many factions on the right, and factions in the center and factions on the ‘left’, and progressives of various kinds — that i dont know how to articulate a grand-narrative about what any of this means.
Everyday i try to put together some sort of story or narrative, and none of them quite fits. Or all of them seem partly-true.
So, i dunno.
All i see at the moment is a great big, red-white-and-blue Salvadore Dali painting.
And i dont like Dali. Never have.
…PS. I got that “Adults in the Room” book u were posting about. Its damn good, so far.
PPS. The Immigration thing. I know in my gut the immigration issue is an ultra-powerful one for trump because (1) His smart-evil advisors have all said so, and (2) In my OWN progressive, far-leftist heart that immigration issue pulls even ME towards the dark side. That issue is like Sauron’s Ring. It poisons people. I mean, I have this deep-gut-instinct that sez “hell yes, we have too many people now, we dont need more…” Thats inside ME. I have to fight that INSTINCT with reason. Which of course takes mental-effort. So if the issue does that to a leftist like ME….
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Trump seems like he’s floundering to me..
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I dunno, last time i checked his numbers were up.
I also think anytime the focus is on immigration, trump and the reps win. Even if he goes too far like with the family separation thing, i still think overall, after the initial storm ebbs, the reps win as long as the debate is about immigration. Just a gut feeling.
I dont think the Dems have any single issue that compares to the Rep-Immigration issue. Though universal-health-care might be in the ballpark.
ratings:https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
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wvParticipantA quote by adam smith, fwiw.
“[H]e whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations … generally becomes as … ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become. The torpor of his mind renders him not only incapable of relishing or bearing a part in any rational conversation, but of conceiving any generous, noble, or tender sentiment, and consequently of forming any just judgment … But in every … society this is the state into which … the great body of the people must necessarily fall, unless government takes some pains to prevent it.” —Book 5. Ch. 1. Line 178.
link:https://truthout.org/articles/todays-capitalism-is-a-far-cry-from-what-it-was-intended-to-be/================
One wonders how Adam Smith would describe most American voters these days. One wonders what a modern-corporotacracy does to citizens. I’m not thinking of the working-class voters, I’m thinking of the wallstreeters and ‘professional’ classes that vote for corporate-dems. What has the corporotacracy done to them?w
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wvParticipantI notice some people assume Donald is asking for too much, and some people assume the Rams are offering too little. Right now though it’s all just assumptions either way.
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Homo Assumians, is what scientists should have named us.
All i know is, if i dont get to see Suh and Donald lined up next to each other for sixteen games, i want my money back.
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wvParticipantThere’s a good Maher and a bad Maher, as i think we all agree.
I think there’s also a good Hitchens and a bad Hitchens. This is the good Hitchens:
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wvParticipantFunny, I don’t remember ever hearing this one as a Sunday Gospel:
The Bible, a rich and sprawling book, offers another angle on these matters. At one point in the New Testament, Jesus calls a child over and says, “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me; but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
I’m struggling to redefine my moral compass as my mother lays on her death bed.
I was raised Catholic, and grew up in the fear of that vengeful god. Now I’m old and unafraid it is time for re-assessment:
Is the above quote really from the Bible? Doesn’t sound like something “my” Jesus would say.
Why does my 94 year old mother have to go through her life’s savings just to die a slow motion, almost scripted death (get me on the last train to Amsterdam when my time is near…).
Name that song:
We live for just these twenty years
Do we have to die for the fifty more?OK, it is Young Americans by David Bowie, who knew a thing or two about dying, and, in my opinion, did it well.
I have to go pick up a sister at the airport, and my daughter is taking the train from Boston. Hopefully they both get here in time.
I don’t know what to believe any more (and haven’t for a while). Definitely not the Catholic god; but is it just life and not life? Is there anything of us that makes it past the divide?
I can’t believe in the Catholic god. I’m hopeful there is a hereafter, but the scientist in me says that when you’re gone, you’re gone.
One constant in life: the cat that woke me up an hour ago wants back in…
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94?
My mom is 88. Sometimes i wonder what women that old must think about society today. So much change.
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wvParticipant…if nothing else skip to the 20 minute mark and listen to a few mins. He gets serious and talks about the fact ‘something is going on’ with the MSM.
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wvParticipantIts interesting that neither side is leaking anything. I mean we dont know anything about what the issues are.
Do we?
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wvParticipantSo can people eat fireflies ? Or lightning bugs as we call them around here.
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wvParticipantThat’s shocking.
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Well zooey, dont even get me started on salamanders.
The MSM is totally silent on the Salamander ban.
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America has the highest salamander biodiversity of any country in the world. But that incredible natural heritage is threatened by a killer fungus that has already decimated salamander populations in Europe. Now, a dozen scientists who study amphibians and conservation are calling for a total ban on amphibian imports into the United States in an effort to prevent a mass die-off of our nation’s salamanders…
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wvParticipantI watched about fifteen minutes of episode 8 and i had to turn it off.
I cant stomach the “Public Relations” aspect of the NFL. It makes me gag.
Sincerely,
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wvParticipantI have another complaint about amerika — our frogs are boring. Dull, green.
Other nations have some awesome-gorgeous frogs. Real progressive frogs.
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wvParticipantI used to think Trump was just a stupid oaf who appealed to a certain block of ignorant voters. And Trump is in many ways a stupid oaf. But he does understand his base. He gets that. He knows who he’s playing to. And he seems to have a strategy. .
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Yeah, he is a policy-idiot, but he’s far from a ‘ratings’ idiot.
He (with Bannon’s help) is a master at Politics-as-Pro-Wrestling. His Apprentice show got top ratings. Thats what politics is to him. He’s like a pro-wrestling show that gets a forty-percent share of the tv-watching-public. He knows his audience, indeed.
And it only works because the SYSTEM has dummed down a great percentage of the amerikan population. And by dummed-down i dont mean anything insulting. The system also dummed-down the college-educated-professional class in a different way. Its just as dum to be a Hillery-ite. Ya know.
The system brought the public Trump vs Hillary.
We iz living in a modern corporate dystopia. There’s still a progressive tribe out there in the desert but its not a large group.
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wvParticipantI agree with bannon that Immigration is Trump’s strongest issue.
Trump voters are convinced immigrants take Jobs. Not real complicated.
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wvParticipantWell but to me thats like saying Orcs should be more like elves. Ya know.
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The point being, the orcs were forced to be who and what they are. They had no choice.
Unlike the orcs, the dems have a choice – they just choose to be greedy.
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Well its true, I’d never heard of Melkor/Morgoth. Interesting story. Especially the song-creation part.
wvParticipantThat was very, very good. It’s exactly what the Dems should have been saying and doing for decades, and that particular candidate has “star” written all over her, in the best way. Not in the cynical way.
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Well but to me thats like saying Orcs should be more like elves. Ya know.
The Dems havent been doing and saying that because…they are dems. Wall-street loving, Corporate loving, Rep-Lites. Its who they are. Mostly.
But not totally.
Maybe another defeat at the hands of Trump is what they need, before there can be a Dem swamp-draining. I dunno.
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