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March 16, 2018 at 11:13 am in reply to: sources say the Rams are now intent on keeping Tavon Austin #84146
wvParticipantWell i agree with the McV aspect of that, and I expect to see a better marriage of McV’s skills and Tavons this year — i still doubt Tavon will improve his ball-security skills. And that drives me nutz.
So far I am not liking the Rams offense. No more Watkins. No deal at Center. An aging LT who kinda wore down last year. No free agent signing at WR.
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vOn the offense. Last year about this time we didn’t expect all of the things you say they’re losing through age and/or free agency attrition (and they gained a lot more than just that last year). So I think this eager group has a surprise or 2 in store. They do need OL though. For the future.
In terms of Tavon as a fumbler—He fumbled as a returner. Not as a rusher/receiver (ie. “OW” for “offensive weapon.”)
Tavon has 17 fumbles on 158 punt returns. 10.8%. Not good.
As a combined rusher/receiver, he has 5 fumbles on 378 rushes/receptions. 1.3%. That’s 5 in 5 years.
So, he’s just not the kind of dangerous, every play fumbler Bruce and Faulk were.
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There’s dropped passes too. I dont like his hands.
I think good, ball-hawking defenses WANT him on the field at this point.
But we shall see what happens. At least he didnt go and get himself all bulgerized or shot in the head.
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vMarch 16, 2018 at 8:28 am in reply to: sources say the Rams are now intent on keeping Tavon Austin #84110
wvParticipantYou know when I thought Tavon was leaving, I talked about how McVay just didn’t seem interested in using him in all the ways he can be used. I am doing a 180 on that. I think Tavon staying means that McVay is now willing to use him in all the ways he can be used (and not just some of the ways, like last year).
It’s a little tricky because there’s only so much you can expect from Tavon as a pure receiver. I don’t know how much he can refine his game, or run crisp routes, etc. (Though to be fair we have seen him break free on some outside deep plays before).
So it really is (IMO) a matter of McVay using Tavon the way Tavon can be used. (Though along with that Tavon getting better at the things he can do, too.)
He’s not a receiver. He’s not a running back. Not only does he have some limitations as a receiver, also no receiver has 184 rushes accounting for 48.7% of their touches. And you can tell he’s not a pure back either just by watching him run. He’s an offensive playmaker you can use on many kinds of runs and on some passing plays plus some gadgets.
Since Tavon doesn’t have some of the skills you associate with pure receivers you have to accommodate him and use him in the passing game the ways you CAN use him. You do that because you’re trying to set up explosive plays (and the threat of them). The trick there is adjusting the offense to incorporate the things he CAN do.
So now I am saying, Tavon staying probably means that McVay is now willing to incorporate a lot of the things Tavon can do into his offense. Stuff he left out last year but which we saw in 2015, Tavon’s best year.
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Well i agree with the McV aspect of that, and I expect to see a better marriage of McV’s skills and Tavons this year — i still doubt Tavon will improve his ball-security skills. And that drives me nutz.
So far I am not liking the Rams offense. No more Watkins. No deal at Center. An aging LT who kinda wore down last year. No free agent signing at WR.
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vMarch 15, 2018 at 10:12 pm in reply to: sources say the Rams are now intent on keeping Tavon Austin #84097
wvParticipantI aint a fan anymore. Too many muffs, too many drops, too many fumbles.
I think they will always outweigh the big plays.I aint a fan of Phar.Cooper either, btw.
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wvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I don’t have much faith in Pastoors as the contract/cap guy. I don’t expect anything to get done with Donald.</span>
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Well…shit. I dont wanna hear things like that.I wanna hear that Aaron Donald is signed for five more years.
And thats that.
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link:http://www.therams.com/team/staff/tony-pastoors/73ffa87c-270f-43ff-acaf-0f54016c24c2

Pastoors enters his seventh season with the Rams as senior assistant. He joined the Rams prior to the 2010 season.
In this role, Pastoors works directly with Executive Vice President of Football Operations & Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff on all aspects of Rams business and football operations. Pastoors assists Demoff, General Manager Les Snead, & Head Coach Sean McVay in the development and implementation of the club’s strategic plan for player signings and player acquisitions. As the club’s lead negotiator, Pastoors works alongside Demoff in salary cap management, contract negotia- tions, compliance with the NFL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement, as well the club’s financial and strategic planning. Pastoors also aids in all aspects of Rams business operations, including marketing and sales, finance, administration, communications, ticketing and community relations.
Born and raised in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Pastoors received his degree from Dartmouth College. Pastoors was also a three-time letter winner for Head Coach Buddy Teevens and the Dartmouth football program.
Pastoors resides in Los Angeles, Calif., with his wife, Emily.
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March 14, 2018 at 2:36 pm in reply to: How knowledge about different cultures is shaking the foundations of psychology #84020
wvParticipantThe issue of “power distance” and how it affects ‘self’ and notions….
wvParticipantWell, ya know, its the Patriots. They’ll probly plug in a cornerback at LT and be just fine.
I’m just glad they lost another super bowl. Gives me a warm glow.
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wvParticipantmax wrote:
I had a discussion with VinnyB [about Ogletree] and he told me that this was about Wade. Wade gave a frank assessment of personnel and obviously it wasn’t good for AO. Wade was banging the table for the CBs.
No surprise here, but it seems Wade wasn’t in on the decision to extend AO during the season. But he was instrumental in AO leaving.
Vinny said there was a lesson learned by the Rams on this.
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Is it fair to say the Rams LBs were the weak link on that D?
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wvParticipantWell think about how contorted and twisted the MSM will have to be in order to tell ‘their’ kind of story. I mean ‘their’ kind of story always has to play up the fact that the USA is ‘good’ and them other forces are ‘bad.’
So in this case the Dem-MSM is gonna wanna go after Haspel cause she’s Trumps gal. Well ok, how are they gonna talk about her pro-torture history? Are they gonna say it was only HER that was in charge of torturing? Are they gonna say she was a ‘rogue torturer’ ? 🙂
How are they gonna cover the torture story and give it context?
I mean she was working FOR the CIA, it wasnt like she was torturing people on her own. The CIA is implicated here. Not Haspel. But the Dem-MSM will ‘have’ to ‘see’ it the other way — they’ll act like it was Haspel who is the torturer, not the good ole American CIA.
I cant even discuss the CIA anymore without ranting inside my head, Billy 🙂
Corporate-capitalism is Sauron. And the CIA is the Ring.w
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wvParticipantWell…..for me…The CIA itself is a terrorist organization. With a long long long history of terror, torture, assassination, lying, stealing, framing people, interfering in elections, and drug-dealing.
So does it matter who runs a Terrorist Organization?
I suppose so. But in a better world the MSM would be discussing the Organization itself instead of the musical chairs part of it.
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wvParticipantI don’t see anybody panicking. The Rams would be better with Watkins than without him. How much difference it will make in Wins, nobody can say.
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Speak for yourself. I have my head in the Oven.
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wvParticipantWell at this moment, things will be harder for Woods and Kupp and Gurley.
There’s less pressure on the defenses facing the Rams.
Windows will be tighter for Goff.
One would think.
So at this moment one would think the Rams are maybe a bit better on Defense
and a maybe significantly worse on offense?w
vMarch 13, 2018 at 6:47 am in reply to: the part of me that is just a pure uncritical movie lover, loves this #83937
wvParticipantawesome
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wvParticipantJohn Mayall has an interesting history. Do you know it? It’s worth reading up on.
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No, dont know nuthin about him.
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wvParticipantNow that i have a turntable i can listen to vinyl. This was the first album i bought the other day.
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USA Union is a 1970 album by blues musician John Mayall, featuring Harvey Mandel on guitar, Larry Taylor on bass and Don “Sugarcane” Harris on violin. The album was recorded on July 27 & 28th, 1970 at Larrabee Studios in LA and released by Polydor later in the same year [1].
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wvParticipantFox cant believe marxists still exist:
wvParticipantI like Tim Black.
wvParticipantI sometimes listen to NPR in the car – 15 minute commute to work. But I find them somewhat tedious. I mean…I guess I’m glad that someone is peeling back the cover of the folk music and tamale festival in Austin…but I really don’t care. .
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wvParticipantLeague Adjusting to McVay?: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22701917
Stephen A. expects down year from Goff Stephen A. Smith still isn’t sold on the Rams after acquiring CB Aqib Talib, as teams will be better prepared for Sean McVay’s offensive attack.
Well that depends. Is McVay as flexible as Pederson, who can adjust to adjustments and see where his system can expand, or is he a dogmatist with a set way of doing things that can be figured out?
Though as you said a lot of it depends on how much Goff can grow in a year.
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Lots of factors as per usual. The DC’s will definitely have a lot of tape now, and try to adjust.
But on the plus-side, the Rams players will be playing in their second year in the system. One would think they would be a split-second quicker and be able to do more, etc.
And how often do we see an entire OLine coming back for a second year, these days.
Granted, we had our one healthy year, so the Rams are due for six or seven crippling injuries on the OLine. These things usually start with a basketball accident in the offseason. Or a bobsled incident. Thats what I’ll be watching for.
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wvParticipant“Some days it’s tough headaches. Some days it’s mild,” Shields said in January 2017. “It varies. I never know. I’m so used to it that it’s just normal. Like I said, each day it’s getting better. I’ll be back.”
it was over a year ago. still…
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Is it possible he’s being brought in to play safety at some point
if there’s injuries?Maybe he’ll be a mentor for the rookies. Ya know. Teach’em the proper way to roll joints, etc.
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wvParticipantI listen to NPR while I’m at work. That’s the only mainstream news I listen to. I’m not saying it’s measurably better than any other mainstream news outlet, but like Zooey, I listen to it to see what events the general public is being exposed to.
I get most of my news from just reading around the internet.
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No need for NPR or any other site.
Just read my posts, as if i were GOD, and always think to yourself, “here’s WV-Ram with THE NEWS.”
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wvParticipantYa know, this guy made the pro bowl not too long ago.
Yep he did. But what is he now? If he makes it, he’s a 3rd option and depth behind Taters and Pelib. Which I count as good.
Now that this is the George Allen Rams again.
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Yes, what is he now? We dunno, but its intriguing that he ‘has had’ the ability to be a pro-bowler and not that long ago.
So IF he’s focused and off the weed, and re-dedicated to football — he might just be pretty damn good, until the next concussion.
I really like the signing. The Future is Now.
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wvParticipantYa know, this guy made the pro bowl not too long ago.
wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Shields
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wvParticipantfrom the link:
“… MSNBC’s belated and subdued news interest was perhaps the most striking. As FAIR (3/2/18) has pointed out, the “liberal” cable network’s high-profile primetime hosts completely ignored the strike well into its second week…..”
wvParticipantThe Great West Virginia Wildcat is the single most important labor victory in the US since at least the early 1970s.
And from another thread:
At a town hall on Wednesday night, the survivors of the shooting in Parkland, Florida, made Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) squirm with a series of pointed questions about his support for the Second Amendment.
It’s things like that. That’s why I never say the dark side has won, that the fight is over, that hope has no chance, that there’s no point to the struggle, that it’s endgame and we lost.
There is always SOMETHING around the corner.
Sometimes it’s scattered and beset, but, something is always there, waiting to happen.
If you have an issue that most still seem blind to…well, give it time. Hang in there. Be patient and be of good cheer.
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I dunno.
I have some hope for Finland. Does that count? 🙂
…sometimes it just ‘feels good’ to get all disgusted and say america is ‘done’. Sometimes its a defense mechanism almost. Its a venting, a shaking of the fist at the Universe, a Howl.
And then other times its an honest, cold-blooded assessment of the facts as i see them. Mainly because of the trajectory of environmental degradation coupled with increased corporate-power.Sometimes its a mix of those two things.
Sometimes I work on continuing to be active and care, despite having no hope for humans/America. Call it…oh…Existential-Activism 🙂
I dunno.
The Problem of No-hope posting is that it can affect others. Its a downer for others. Thats probly not good. …maybe we need another board for No-Hope-Posts 🙂
Great book on keeping hope alive is Rebecca Solnit’s “Hope in the Dark” fwiw.
wvParticipantFAIR on the MSM’s ‘news’ on Syria, for one example:http://fair.org/home/media-erase-us-role-in-syrias-misery-call-for-us-to-inflict-more-misery/
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wvParticipantJacobin:https://jacobinmag.com/2018/03/west-virginia-wildcat-strike-militancy-peia
Eric Blanc is a doctoral student in the sociology department at New York University.
The Lessons of West Virginia
By Eric Blanc
The Great West Virginia Wildcat is the single most important labor victory in the US since at least the early 1970s. Though the 1997 UPS strike and the 2012 Chicago teachers’ strike also captured the country’s attention, there’s something different about West Virginia. This strike was statewide, it was illegal, it went wildcat, and it seems to be spreading.
West Virginia’s upsurge shares many similarities with the rank-and-file militancy of the late 1960s and early 1970s. But there are some critical differences. Whereas labor struggles four decades ago came in the wake of a postwar economic boom and the inspiring successes of the Civil Rights Movement, this labor upheaval erupted in a period of virtually uninterrupted working-class defeats and economic austerity. The Supreme Court’s impending decision to throw the whole public sector back into the open-shop era gives West Virginia’s strike an added degree of momentousness.
It’s too early to tell whether West Virginia will spark the revival of a fighting labor movement nationwide. Much depends on whether workers here can keep winning over the coming months — and whether a looming public education strike wave materializes in Oklahoma, New Jersey, Arizona, Kentucky, and beyond.
Understanding the reasons workers won this strike will be crucial for activists engaged in these upcoming battles — and for all those interested in reviving the US labor movement. At the same time, it’s important to identify the challenges that lie ahead for the struggle in West Virginia.
Class PowerWhen it comes to a successful strategy for labor, there’s no need to reinvent the wheel. West Virginia has once again clarified the continued relevance of simple political insights that were long ago abandoned by most union leaders, as well as much of the Left.
Class struggle gets the goods.Labor-management “cooperation” has led to concession after concession over the past decades. Nor has the prevailing form of what passes for “social justice unionism” been able to reverse organized labor’s decline. Instead of building workplace power and strikes, many progressive unions have focused on public relations campaigns, moral appeals to consumers, and lobbying Democratic politicians.
In contrast, the bottom-up militancy and strike action of West Virginia’s teachers and school employees has reinvigorated working-class organization and won a whole series of important concessions, not the least of which was a 5 percent raise for all public employees.
From day one, the active participation of rank-and-filers — and their remarkable ability at critical junctures to overcome the inertia or compromises of the top union leadership — has been the central motor driving West Virginia’s strike forward. Through the empowering dynamics of mass struggle, many individuals who only two weeks ago were politically inexperienced and unorganized have become respected leaders among their coworkers.
Winning labor battles often requires breaking the law.Though it is illegal for public employees in West Virginia to strike, they struck anyway. Highlighting the long tradition of taking illegal action to win a righteous cause, many strikers here made homemade signs saying, “Rosa Parks was not wrong.” The state initially threatened to file injunctions to end the strike, but it was forced to back down. At moments of mass struggle, in other words, legality becomes a question of a relationship of forces. If a strike has the strength, the momentum, and the support of the public at large, it is hard for the ruling elite to crack down.
A willingness to flout the law will be particularly crucial over the coming period. The constraints of the legal and institutional structure of US labor relations have already set up the union movement to fail. This will become even more the case if, as expected, the Supreme Court eliminates crucial labor rights in the public sector. But as the experience of West Virginia shows, it is possible to fight and win even in the face of the most draconian legal obstacles.
Workplaces remain our most powerful site of resistance against the ruling elite.The fact that the system depends on our labor gives us immense structural leverage. As the events of the past week and a half have demonstrated, this holds true for public employees — including categories of workers that are predominantly female, like teachers — no less than it does for the private sector. Fittingly, one of the most popular chants at the capitol over the past week and half was: “If they don’t fix it, shut it down!”
Unleashing and sustaining this potential power depends in large part on the independent initiatives of a “militant minority” of rank-and-file worker leaders.It’s unlikely the West Virginia strike would have happened — or succeeded — without the tireless efforts of a small group of deeply rooted, radical teachers. Many of these rank-and-file leaders first coalesced during the 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign. Others, particularly in the southern part of the state, like Mingo County, had already been politicized into a multigenerational tradition of militancy going back to the Mine Wars of the early twentieth century.
Rebuilding an analogous layer across the country is essential. Ever since the McCarthy-era expulsion of radicals from the unions in the 1950s, the labor and the socialist movements have both been fatally weakened by this imposed divorce. And leftists in the past few decades have been surprisingly uninterested in trying to root themselves in workplaces and working-class organizations. Hopefully, the inspiring example of West Virginia will encourage a new strategic emphasis on class struggle at the point of production.
Promoting the merger of socialism with the labor movement will necessarily require abandoning the ideological baggage and bad political habits accumulated over decades of marginalization.The ethos of the West Virginian strikers was the polar opposite of the sterile sectarianism, political insularity, and callout culture that prevails on so much of the Left. Radicals have much to learn from West Virginia’s model of unity in action. As Charleston high school teacher and union activist Emily Comer summed it up: “For a successful mass movement, people don’t have to agree on partisan politics, on religion, or anything else for that matter. But they do have come together and fight in solidarity around a shared issue.”
Focus on the big, burning demands that face working people.The struggle here revolved around material questions — pay and health insurance — that directly impacted the livelihoods of thousands of West Virginians. The growing momentum towards strike action across the country shows that the urgency of these issues isn’t confined to Appalachia.
Challenges AheadTuesday was a euphoric day for strikers across West Virginia. The celebration was well deserved. It was also well timed — many teachers were already teetering on the edge of physical exhaustion.
Unfortunately, there won’t be much time to rest. West Virginia’s governing elite suffered a major blow, but they’re far from defeated. Over the coming days and weeks, they will ramp up their efforts to undermine the important gains won on Tuesday. This will above all take the form of a concerted offensive to pit public employees against other layers of the working class by attempting to pay for the deal by cutting essential services, including Medicaid.
Whether the funding for the raise will come from the rich — as the strikers have demanded — or from the poor will largely depend on the ability of West Virginian educators and staff to continue mobilizing in the days to come, and whether or not other groups of workers, in both the public and private sectors, take to the streets.
Strikers deserve to celebrate their victory and get some rest. But there’s a real danger that Republican leaders will attempt to ram through a regressive bill while people are still recuperating. Funding the pay raise through cuts would be a major political setback. Not only would this would inflict serious harm on those who depend on these services, but it would set the stage for a successful right-wing campaign of divide and conquer. The struggle, in short, is far from over.
A similar dynamic will shape the fight to fix PEIA, the state public employee health insurance agency. This is a central demand, which played a pivotal role in uniting public sector employees with the rest of working class over the past months. On this front, the movement has a little more time since the current insurance rates are frozen up through 2019.
Yet the task force set up by the governor to find a solution is set to begin meeting on March 13. There is no reason to believe that the state government — which remains beholden to corporate interests — will voluntarily cede to the strikers’ widespread demand to fully fund PEIA by raising the severance tax on natural gas. Without a new upsurge in protest to make out-of-state corporations pay, a serious long-term fix for PEIA will likely remain a mirage.
While working-class West Virginians have gotten used to confronting and exposing the trickery of the Republicans, they will now face novel political challenges. In particular, though the forces of liberalism and official reformism are currently weak in West Virginia, this state of affairs will not last long.
Due to the institutional debility of organized labor, the union officialdom was neither able to prevent or control this strike. But we should expect national teachers’ union leaders to seek to re-cohere a solid apparatus as they try to seize the huge organizing opportunity opened up by the West Virginia victory. Much of this support should be welcomed. Financial and human resources are needed to rebuild a strong militant union movement. But there’s no such thing as a free lunch. With this support will come increased pressure toward returning West Virginia’s educators and staff to more traditional, less disruptive, forms of organization and action.
In addition, the militant minority will feel a strong pull to take union office. In many instances, this will likely make political sense. But without the democratic participation and organization of the rank and file at the school, county, and statewide levels — and without overcoming the debilitating divisions between the three statewide K-12 unions — electing even the best militants will be insufficient to revitalize West Virginia’s trade unions.
Relations with the Democratic Party will be even more difficult political terrain to navigate. Eighty years of rule by a corrupt West Virginia Democratic Party beholden to corporations has culminated in the implosion of the party’s political and institutional influence. West Virginia is now a so-called “Red State.” So while past labor battles in the state were typically directed against Democratic politicians, the political villains today are Republicans.
Whether out of conviction or electoral opportunism, the Democratic minority in the legislature consistently supported the strikers’ pay demands. Firebrand state senator Richard Ojeda in particular is widely regarded as a hero by West Virginia workers. One of the most common chants throughout the strike was, “We’ll remember in November.”
On the one hand, the strikers’ basic political intuition is correct. Protests aren’t enough. To systematically transform West Virginia’s priorities — and the country’s as a whole — requires political power. Given this fact, and the role played by local Democrats during the strike, it’s understandable that most teachers and staff will enthusiastically vote for Democrats in November.
The problem, however, is that neither the statewide nor national Democratic Party is a party of, or for, the working class. Democratic politicians have a long tradition of pro-business policies and broken promises. Today’s allies can quickly become tomorrow’s political turncoats. And not only have past attempts to “take back” the Democratic Party failed, but such efforts often played a critical role in demobilizing and defanging unions and social movements in the 1930s and 1960s. More recently, the powerful 2011 Wisconsin Uprising went down to defeat after protesters folded up shop in a misguided campaign to recall Republican governor Scott Walker.
Maintaining the political independence of the unions and the broader movement remains a burning question. West Virginia just demonstrated that mass struggle can win major gains no matter who is in power. Even if most workers vote for Democrats in November, the labor movement will be in a better position to defend the interests of working people if it mobilizes independently and resists absorption into the Democratic Party.
A New Labor MovementNo matter what happens over the coming period, this strike has etched its imprint onto the course of history. West Virginians have shown workers across the country that when you fight back, you can win.
We live in a particularly volatile historical juncture. After decades of neoliberalism, the liberal center is no longer holding. Conditions are more than ripe for socialists to begin fighting for the hearts and minds of the working-class majority. To quote Emily Comer:
If you have enough working people who are pushed to the breaking point, and who are angry about a specific grievance, then it’s the duty of activists to let them know that they deserve better — and that their lives can get better if they take action on that issue. If you lead the way, people will respond.
No one has any illusions that it will be easy to rebuild an influential left rooted in a fighting working-class movement. It will require patient organizing over many years. Our enemies are powerful — and we will certainly experience many defeats along the way. But after West Virginia, it’s clear that a new labor movement is not only necessary, but possible.
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