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wvParticipantSo, WV, what is to be done? I keep wavering about this. Give up on politics entirely, and in the limited time left me, listen to good music, spend time with friends and family, eat well, travel when I can . . . Or stay in the game to the extent possible. I do know the first option is the “healthy” one, and the second one is its opposite.
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Yeah. “What is to be done?”
We bin livin out that damn question since the day we were born.
Or since the big bang.I dunno.
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vJuly 13, 2018 at 11:47 am in reply to: One of the most comprehensive looks at Trump collusion, evah. #88084
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I throw in analogies, and they fall on deaf ears . . .
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Allz i know iz, this is important. This exchange about ‘socialism’, progressives are having with Lib-Capitalists and Rightwing-crazies.
I see the same exact pattern playing out over and over and over, whether its an MSM talker asking Bernie about socialism or Ocasio-cortez being asked about it on Fox, etc, etc, etc. And its been the same exact dynamic for many years.
The Capitalists/rightwingers are WINNING the tv-debates. (not among leftists but among joe and jane voter)
Leftists need to rethink their answers to the “its never worked” and “its killed a 100 million people”.
We need to study on it. We need better, quicker, sharper answers. To win the average propagandized voter. Keep an eye out to how others answer it. Maybe someone out there has figured out a good tv-answer.
Lefties win the ‘debate’ while righties are winning the ‘voter’ — if that makes any sense. …what do i know 🙂
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wvParticipantBut, to me, the hypocrisy levels are off the charts…
Only in America.
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Well we are talking about Replicants here. The hypocrisy levels are virtually always off the charts.
At least Dark Lord Sauron wasn’t a hypocrite. I’ll give him that. I mean he was all “I’m going to destroy the world, fuck you all.” Ya know.
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vJuly 13, 2018 at 10:38 am in reply to: One of the most comprehensive looks at Trump collusion, evah. #88080
wvParticipantWell you know i disagree on some of that, but we’ve hashed it out and no-one’s gonna change their mind at this point.
I hope Russia interferes on the side of Bernie this time.
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vThat’s bad, WV.
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On Sanders, etc. etc. I’m very hopeful about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She is a star. If the Dems had thousands just like her, I think America would be in a vastly better place.
Which brings me to a side-note and question:
Why do you think this is all too often the case? I’ve been having discussions on other boards, when I’m up to it, about “socialism” recently. When the term “democratic socialism” is mentioned, I try to remind people about some of the great thinkers, humanitarians, peace advocates, civil rights advocates, who carried that banner, but it always seems to just fall flat.
I remind them that the following held that philosophy: MLK, Gandhi, Einstein, Camus, Orwell, Helen Keller, Dorothy Day, Bertrand Russell, Alexander Dubcek and Andrei Sakharov, for starters . . . and it generally elicits crickets.
Any guesses why that doesn’t seem to change any minds regarding the idiocy of viewing that philosophy as scary or dangerous?
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If you want to practice your rhetorical skillz….watch FOX news. Watch how they handle the ‘socialism’ thing. They always, always, always go thru the same exact talking points. Which means — itz easy to prepare for them.
For starters Foxers always start with the same argument — “its never worked anywhere”, and then they move on to “Stalin, Soviet Union….its killed a hundred million people…”
So, if libs and leftists want to talk about socializms, they need to have sound-bitey, quick, sharp answers to that point.
…if yer gonna talk to amerikan-humans about politix, study, Fox-News. The evil-brilliance of Fox is in how they get right to the blunt-point. No hemming and hawing and qualifying and explaining — they hit you right in the face, with quick hard sound bytes. They are masters. Leftists are trying to do Chomsky and the Foxers are doing Mike Tyson. Er somethin. I dunno.
Libs use the same framework as Fox, so studying Fox works for dealing with libs too…
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wvParticipantI don’t really know why I put myself through it, but I watched a good deal of the hearings too.
Key takeaways for me:
1. The Republicans hounded Strzok for nine hours, repeatedly going back to the same exact aspects of the case, with the barest of deviations in language. I suppose they were trying to get him on a “gotcha” moment of inconsistency, but it was deeply frustrating to watch.
2. I didn’t realize this was fair game, but Republicans often handed off their allotted time to their more aggressive and determined peers, which generally meant the same two or three designated attack dogs. I didn’t see the Dems do this, though I didn’t watch the entire nine hours.
3. I don’t think there is any way around this fact, but it never fazed the Republicans, and the Dems appeared not to bring it up, at least while I was watching:
If the FBI can be accused of taking any actions to influence the election, it was all to the benefit of Trump and against Clinton. If Strzok had wanted to hurt Trump, he would have leaked that Trump was under federal investigation, but he didn’t. Comey did tell the country, twice before election, that Clinton was being investigated, but would not say that Trump was too. And we also know that FBI agents in the New York office leaked info regarding Clinton to Giuliani, which he promptly spilled on Fox News. That office was called “Trumpland” for its “bias.”
This follows a more general pattern for the GOP in their endless hearings about supposed “bias” against “conservatives” and now Trump. Don’t mention, don’t investigate the fact that government departments are filled with a wide array of differing political views, or that the Law Enforcement sphere has always been dominated by the right. Whether it’s the IRS or intel or DOJ, make sure not to look at “bias” in favor of Republicans, or bias against their opponents, etc. Just narrow the frame to work solely in their favor.
Wikileaks, of course, helped tremendously here, concentrating solely on the Dems.
4. It’s amazing to me that Congress chooses to have hearings on private texts between two adults, which included perhaps “mean things” about a president that both Republicans and Dems despised at the time . . . but won’t hold hearings on the Trump administration’s kidnapping of babies at the border, endless corruption within the Trump executive, the destruction of the environment, the selling off of millions of acres of formerly protected wilderness, and our endless wars — for starters.
Our politics have never been much to brag about, but I think they’ve reached new lows. This hearing was an example.
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Well I’m not disagreeing with your big-picture-points, Billy, but the FBI Agent handed them this stuff on a platter. Very unprofessional. You canNOT be texting private-negative things about someone you are investigating. Any lawyer would impeach a cop if he did that to a defendant.
Again, I’m not addressing the big-picture stuff. It just irks me that the agent was that stupid. Cuz…it…was…stupid. I’d have fired him just to send a message. Its a big big mistake. Not a little one.
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wvParticipantDid you read the whole article? Because i think its saying what you just said. The snippet is misleading in that regard, i think.
One reason I didn’t read the article initially was this:
This site can’t provide a secure connection
http://www.resilience.org uses an unsupported protocol.Chrome wouldn’t pull it up.
So I went around that and you’re right, the snippet is misleading and the article is not making the mistake I thought I found in the snippet. From the article:
The insight that identities of gender, class, race, sexuality, nationality, etc., are mutually determining gave rise to a new concept: intersectionality. Some feared that acknowledging interconnecting identities and forms of oppression would prove divisive, but what began as splintering gave birth to a new form of politics: solidarity politics. Solidarity politics can unite people across movements and within movements, and offers the foundational framework for any successful global citizens movement. Indeed, this dynamic already is engaging various social movements on the ground and inspiring the development of new, solidarity economy practices and institutions.
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Yeah, and i like the term “solidarity politics.” I think its the perfect term.
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wvParticipant“during the 16 month period Fox News and CNN mentioned the TPP during TWO broadcasts…”
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wvParticipant“…when we finally know we are dying, and all other sentient beings are dying with us, we start to have a burning, almost heartbreaking sense of the fragility and preciousness of each moment and each being, and from this can grow a deep, clear, limitless compassion for all beings.” Sogyal Rinpoche
wvParticipantTexts, emails, facebook messages etc — how many times have they come back to bite people in the butt.
No matter how many times it happens — people keep doin it.
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vJuly 12, 2018 at 3:06 pm in reply to: One of the most comprehensive looks at Trump collusion, evah. #88033
wvParticipantWell you know i disagree on some of that, but we’ve hashed it out and no-one’s gonna change their mind at this point.
I hope Russia interferes on the side of Bernie this time.
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wvParticipantDid you read the whole article? Because i think its saying what you just said. The snippet is misleading in that regard, i think.
btw, i was reading a book about the Combahee River Collective, and the book said that the CRC was the first group to use the term ‘identity politics’ and they were radical socialist feminists and they included ‘class’ in their ID politix. Just pointing out the obvious that all these terms are a bit fluid etc.
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wvParticipantGreat stuff.
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wvParticipant“…After 12 years of conservative decisions on the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, Kavanaugh has left little doubt as to how his rulings from the high court will fall. Of course he will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade if given the opportunity. Of course he will vote to limit gun control laws, because he already has. Of course he will vote in favor of polluters and against net neutrality. Of course he will be a great ally in the GOP’s ongoing war against the right to vote, having written his former court’s majority opinion upholding South Carolina’s scrofulous voter ID law.
Kavanaugh is far more conservative than Justice Kennedy ever was, and will be as reliably right-wing as Justices Gorsuch and Thomas. Add Justice Alito and Chief Justice Roberts to the dogpile, and you have a historically hot mess that will still be burning when my grandchildren are dodging automatic weapons fire before homeroom, because America.
Senate Democrats can try to string out the nomination fight until after the midterm elections, but that strategy depends entirely on retaking the Senate majority. Barring that, they can try to hold their caucus together and convince GOP Senators Collins and Murkowski to also vote “No,” but that is perilous on a pair of fronts: The two Joes — Manchin and Donnelly — along with Heidi Heitkamp are running for their lives in red states (Heitkamp already voted for Gorsuch), and as the tax cut bill vividly showed us, the senators from Maine and Alaska can also be bought if the price is right.
It will be close, but not really. Brett Kavanaugh will soon be an associate justice of the US Supreme Court…”
Trump Card: Brett Kavanaugh and the “Unitary Executive” Theory
wvParticipantThe more to the far left, progressive, whatever you call it, we go the more we insure we can’t get them back
I think the opposite is true.
That is what I was going to say. Those marginal Trump voters were attracted to Trump because of the economic populism aspect of his campaign rather than the racist, nationalistic, and anti-establishment aspects of his campaign. They aren’t very comfortable with the latter aspects of Trump, and that is what makes them “marginal supporters.”
The progressive wing of the Democrat party has more to offer those marginal supporters than the mainstream Democrats do. Economically, mainstream Democrats are conservative. They are not aggressive supporters of unions, increased wages, and universal healthcare. They are not offering identifiable solutions to the problems ordinary Americans are dealing with. Some of those marginal supporters of Trump may be skeptical of government solutions to social problems, but the pressure of those problems has been building for some time, and I think a lot of people are starting to take a look around. I believe a number of people are taking a second look at universal health care, among other issues, and it is the progressives who are talking about these solutions. I seriously do not believe mainstream Democrats have anything to offer those marginal Trumps supporters except “We aren’t Trump. Russia, Russia, Russia.” What message do they have for those supporters that is going to make them change their vote?
Also, I think there is a bigger key to this election than picking off Trump voters. It’s just increasing voter turnout all the way around. The more women and minorities that can be motivated to vote, the more power we can strip away from the Monster.
Meanwhile, I can’t conceal my anxiety about the next few months. If Trump and the GOP get away with appointing a radical judge, and retain control of Congress, it is Game, Set, and Match.
We would truly then be dependent 100% on Mueller, and that is not an avenue I’ve ever counted on. And I think that if they get a judge appointed, it may not matter what Mueller has anyway.
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Well they are ‘gonna’ get their judge. Thats a given. Maybe more than one, btw, before all is said and done. (thanku Dems for giving us Hillary)
But can they retain Congress. Damn. We’ll see.
So much of the despair is because of the corporate-media. How can progressive options be evaluated when everything is filtered through anti-progressive, corporate-media. Same ole, same ole…
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wvParticipantThe thing I will always remember is how he played with the cracked ribs, behind a lousy line. Never complained.
I wonder if things would have been different for the Rams if Martz had just been slighty better in the personnel-evaluation sphere. Especially Olinemen.
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wvParticipantGuaranteed Contracts seems Important to me. I’d also think they’d want to improve the health-care situation.
I dont see how the owners could refuse them two things, given the incredible money-making machine that the NFL is.
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wvParticipantWe likely have separate goals. Mine is to take back a Congress and Presidency that has done more harm and permanent damage to individual rights than any before-and in such a short time. It is my belief that the only way to do that is to get the marginal Trump voters over back to the democratic side. The more to the far left, progressive, whatever you call it, we go the more we insure we can’t get them back. However, if you don’t believe that the present majority in Congress and Trump are all that dangerous then fine-I can’t and won’t try and buy into a debate.
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Well yes, he’s beyond words. And he got there in large part, because of the Democrats. All those ‘centrist-dems’ who voted for NAFTA, etc.
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wvParticipantI can’t read the article but they already are centrist. They’ve been that way for quite awhile. Their republican-lite centrist policies helped create Trump.
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Well Billy would say the midpoint has been dragged so far to the right over the last thirty years that ‘centrists’ now are essentially ye-olde-republicans.
At any rate I’ve been watchin a lot of Fox-Newz Utubes lately. I wanted to see what the “Right” is up to. Its been quite an experience. I remember watching the original Planet of the Apes, and i remember the director did a good job of making the viewer feel trapped and surrounded by crazy-brutal-ignorant-superstitious powerful Apes. The Madhouse scene was the culmination of the pressure.
And thats prettymuch how I feel watching Fox-News. Just like that. Exactly like that.
The Dem-MSM (NPR, MSNBC, etc) is also a madhouse. Its hard for me to imagine the Dem-Madhouse moving to the left. I dont think Waterfield has anything to worry about.
But we’ll see. My guess is some progressives will get elected but for the most part the same ole sorry ass money-and-power will continue to aim the ship toward the iceburg.
Its a mad-ship-of-fools.
The evil-doers at Fox are better at what they do, btw, than the evil-doers on the Dem-MSM. They pound away at Immigration, Crime, Personal Responsibility, ‘COMMUNISM’, ‘Socialism’, Muslims, Terrorists, Deep-State, Guns, Police, the Flag, Apple Pie, Jesus, Iran, Venezuela, Clintons, Obama…
On MSNBC/NPR/PBS its…Trump…Russia.
We’ll see what happens.
I’ll be doing my part for Trump by voting Green again. 🙂w
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wvParticipantI have a feeling you would tell FDR he needed to move to the “center”.
…did you? 🙂
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DailyRadical History
@radicaldaily
Jun 30Jun 30 1960 – Congo gains independence from Belgium.
Pic: “Father stares at the hand and foot of his five-year-old, severed as a punishment for failing to make the daily rubber quota, Belgian Congo, 1904” https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian-congo-1904/ …
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wvParticipant“why are you a commie, pinko, bedwetter?”
wvParticipantRichard Wolff on Class. Nicely done.
wvParticipant“…To begin with, media coverage and debate about the Syrian war — in the East and West — have been largely colored with the propaganda interests of both Qatari and Saudi regimes. Both regimes control — directly or indirectly — almost all of the various media of the Arab world.
Beyond their media ownership, both regimes have been able to control or influence the narratives of Western journalists and pundits through heavy investments in the elite Washington foreign policy community, especially through think tanks and PR firms. Think tanks in Washington, such as the Brookings Institution, the Middle East Institute, and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, are notoriously awash in funding from Gulf regimes and thus, reflect their agenda……
… AIPAC would have fought to undermine the influence of these newer Gulf players to shape the discourse had their views on Syria not been congruent with Israel’s interests….”
==============Well see this is my mantra this year. The layers and layers and layers of lies upon lies upon lies upon lies. Otherwise known as propaganda. From Putin. From Trump. From the Deep State. From the Media. From Think-tanks. And on and on and on.
It makes it very very very hard to really know what to think about ______ (Fill in the blank)
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wvParticipantI guess he’ll be show’in up at Ram games maybe.
He’s a basketball player, right?
I say Willis Reed will shut him down.
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wvParticipantThe vid mentioned Blake Simons.
Yes, Black liberals commodify Black Lives Matter too and it’s a major problem
by StaffMay 12, 2017
By Blake Simons
The present day Movement for Black Lives, which I argue was revived by the people of Oakland after the murder of Oscar Grant, and came into fruition because of the rebellion that working class Black folks started in Ferguson after the murder of Mike Brown, has been co-opted by Black capitalistic neo-liberals.
Neo-liberalism is a type of politics that favors free market capitalism with little to no government interference. Furthermore, neo-liberalism brings “massive tax cuts for the rich, the crushing of trade unions, deregulation, privatisation, outsourcing and competition in public services.” Essentially, neo-liberalism is a branch stemming from the tree of capitalism.
Capitalism in America is an economic system that is rooted in the genocide of indigenous peoples and the enslavement of Afrikans. Thus, the country’s wealth was created at the expense of enslaved Afrikans who built this country for the white elite ruling class. Capitalism is inherently racialized, and it is most harmful to working-class Black people.
While it has been working-class Black folks who have laid the foundation of the Movement for Black Lives, Black neo-liberals are weaponizing their Blackness – through identity politics (usually single issue politics), which uses their Black identity as an “excuse” for exploitative capitalistic behaviors. It’s important that we critique Black neo-liberalism, a system which seeks to commodify Blackness, especially Black pain.
One of the major ways the Movement has been commodified is through the #BankBlack Movement. This Movement has been “spearheaded” by Kevin Cohee, who is the CEO of OneBank United, the nation’s largest Black bank. Kevin himself enjoys capitalistic lifestyle, which includes once living in a six-million-dollar oceanfront mansion that was paid for by OneBank United’s corporate account.
The #BankBlack Movement is dangerous because it suggests that Black capitalism is better than white capitalism. In fact, it poses Black capitalism as a solution to white supremacist racial terrorism. But, as revolutionary Black Panther Fred Hampton once said, “you don’t fight capitalism with capitalism.”
OneUnited Bank operates no differently than any other white owned bank. It is owned by one person and has the same corporate for-profit structure as other banks, like Wells Fargo, that have harmed our communities. This corporate structure is capitalism with a Black face, and it does not provide material benefits to Black communities across the country.
OneUnited recently partnered with Black Lives Matter and its network of chapters across the nation. According to a press release from OneUnited, “A historic partnership has been born between OneUnited Bank, the largest Black owned bank in the country, and #BlackLivesMatter to organize the $1.2 trillion in spending power of Black America and launch the “Amir” card during Black History Month”. It suggests that if we all #BankBlack and harness our “spending power” that somehow we won’t be shot dead by the racist right-wing police. If only Michael Brown had a OneUnited debit card before encountering Darren Wilson.
I have said previously that the idea of Black people having “spending power” under capitalism is a lie. The term “spending power” is a capitalistic idea that refers to how much a community spends on consumer goods. Wealth, on the other hand, is ownership that is passed down from generation to generation. In this case, “power” implies that you have ownership over the means of production. Black people do not control capitalism, white elites do. So how can “Black spending power” actually exist?
The #BankBlack Movement is not about the people though.Rather, it is making money off of the deaths of mostly Black working class people for capitalistic gain.
This Black conservative nationalist politic, which is a politic that uses racial separation as a means to practice Black capitalism, is not new. According to Guy Emerson Mount at AAIHS, “Cornel West identified this key paradox in black nationalist politics back in 1982 where he exposed black nationalists/capitalists as a petite bourgeoisie cynically profiting from racial segregation by promoting a very conservative brand of black capitalist self-help respectability politics.” We need to understand the Bank Black Movement for what it is: anti-revolutionary at its core.
We are also seeing the commodification of Black Lives Matter in the television and film industries. Netflix’s series “Dear White People” – and the previous movie of the same name – is a prime example, displaying Black student experiences at a historically white institution (HWI’s) in a TV show format directed towards the white gaze. The show profits from the racial terrorism that many Black students face at HWI’s. If Netflix was Black owned and owned by the workers, and the profits were being used to fund Black Student Unions, that would be another story.
While the show is employing Black people, the majority of this money is being made for Netflix, a white owned company that does little to help the Black community.
As a former Black student organizer, it pains me to see the Black student struggle commodified. Being an organizer on a hostile campus ain’t cute. It comes with a mental, social, physical, and academic tax. Simply put, “Dear White People” is the commodification of the racist experiences facing Black students across the country all buttoned up for white capital gain. And a Black liberal is the director of it all.
Another prime example of the commodification of Black Lives Matter by Black liberals is Van Jones. The ex-Obama appointee recently made headlines for signing with Roc Nation for “activism”. I, like many other organizers doing work in Black communities, didn’t realize you needed a management firm to do something meaningful for our people.
What makes this dangerous is that Van Jones has taken the spotlight in the Movement even though he isn’t in movement spaces. He has been appointed as the token Negro by white corporations such as CNN, which funds his hot takes on activism. This even includes him praising Donald Trump.
Van Jones has used the Black Lives Matter movement to propel his own career. He is using faux activism to make a name for himself and to collect a (presumably large) check. His signing with Roc Nation shows us that our own people will corporatize activism. If Roc Nation was a worker-owned company and if Van Jones actually had leftist politics, this might be a different story. But that simply isn’t the case.
It is our duty to call out the ways we see capitalism leeching off of radical movements. If it is not called out, it cannot be corrected.
I believe it is important to educate the masses on the harmful systems that are rooted in white supremacist heteropatriarchal capitalism. The goal of critiquing is to provide the people guidance, in order to build up our ideology. Though I am doing the critiquing, myself, and this piece are also not above critique.
There are solutions to the commodification of Black struggle, and the most immediate way to end it is by abolishing capitalism. Fred Hampton said we must fight capitalism with socialism. To add onto chairman Hampton’s words, we must fight white supremacist heteropatriarchal capitalism with an intersectional decolonial socialism. While the task ahead of us is daunting, there are a ways to work towards an intersectional socialist revolution.
There are many ways to show you are down with the Movement without participating in its commodification. In response to the #BankBlack movement, an anti-capitalist solution would be to begin creating not-for-profit people-owned credit unions. While this is still operating under the umbrella of American capitalism, it is an anti-capitalist effort which divests from major banks which historically have been an enemy to the Black community.
Another solution is Black worker-owned businesses. I’ve been to plenty of Black businesses that are owned by one Black person and don’t employ any other Black folks. This is not changing the system, it’s replicating it.
An example of a Black business that is anti-capitalist is Mandela Food Coop, which is a Black worker owned grocery store in West Oakland. Instead of one owner making the majority of the profit, the profit is equally distributed amongst the entire staff.
Likewise, the Dream Defenders, which is a social justice organization based in Florida, created Rebel Threads, a worker owned company that makes movement wear and helps fund the organization.
We must dream of a world without exploitation, and our dreams must be followed with anti-capitalist actions.
Blake Simons is an organizer, writer, and educator from the Bay Area. He also co-hosts a podcast dubbed Hella Black. You can follow and engage with Blake on Twitter here.
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