nittany ram wrote:

PA Ram wrote:

bnw wrote:

BS. Do the math. He didn’t grow up watching Everett. He would have watched Warner and Bulger.

He’s trying to be respectful and may have at least seen highlights or known of them–but Ferragamo in particular? He’d have had to research that.

Either way–I hope Everett told him to avoid “phantom” sacks.

That 9ers team was in Everett’s head.

Unfortunate how that one play tainted his career. Huge overreaction by the media. Never cared for Jim Rhome but I haven’t watched him since that contemptible and very obvious publicity stunt.

Say what you want about Everett–he was no Kurt Warner.

Jim Rhome is a moron–can’t stand to listen to 2 seconds of his show.

But as far as Everett is concerned he led the Rams during those frustrating 80s when they just could not get beyond the 9ers. He was a good quarterback, to be sure. But he just could not push the Rams over the top. He had good stats. He just didn’t have that “championship” thing that great QBs have. And it wasn’t just the “phantom” sack. He was rattled that game.

Still–if you were making a list of greatest Rams QBs he’d certainly be on it.

bnw wrote:

BS. Do the math. He didn’t grow up watching Everett. He would have watched Warner and Bulger.

He’s trying to be respectful and may have at least seen highlights or known of them–but Ferragamo in particular? He’d have had to research that.

Either way–I hope Everett told him to avoid “phantom” sacks.

That 9ers team was in Everett’s head.

What happened to Wes Welker? Did they let him go?

I could see how someone with his experience could be helpful for Goff.

In any case I think Quick could be in for a battle this time around. He needs to have a good camp and good pre-season or he could be gone. I don’t think he just has it handed to him this time.

Britt and Tavon are safe. Marquez should be okay.

Bailey’s health is an obvious question.

If I were a young receiver there isn’t a team I’d rather have a shot at than this one. There is real opportunity here.

I was watching Bill Maher last night–they had on Thomas Frank, author of a great book called, “Listen, Liberal”. He also wrote “What’s The Matter With Kansas” which was about the Republican Party. “Listen Liberal” is about the Democratic one–the story they tell, who they pretend to be and who they really represent. Anyway–it was amazing to watch. Thomas Frank tried to explain how the Democratic party has let the working class voters down–how the DLC basically abandoned labor for the “professional” class and how it is really a party for the best and the brightest and not so much the average working Joe. The book goes into great detail on this but the point about last night is how quickly Bill Maher and Rob Reiner(two famous liberals) were cutting him off if he strayed from the narrative they wanted to push.

Basically it was–hey–Clinton is still the good guy but what about Trump? Let’s talk about him.

At one point Rob Reiner screamed about how we have to be ready for the new jobs in a green economy because the old jobs aren’t coming back–nothing we could do about that. Had to have NAFTA, etc.

Frank tried to correct him but they wouldn’t let him speak. He tried to explain that NAFTA was not handed down by God. It was written and that his years of research show that these deals can be written to destroy any class. They did not have to be written the way they were. In fact NAFTA does have protections for the professional class. It doesn’t have to–but it does have them.

Many wealthy liberals have their own story about all of this and they don’t want to let that go. They feel comfortable with it. yes–by all means attack the Republicans–but not their own Democratic party–that’s out of bounds.

Sad to watch.

http://www.amazon.com/Listen-Liberal-Happened-Party-People/dp/1627795391

Here is a better review than I could have written:

“Betrayals of the highest order
By David Wineberg TOP 1000 REVIEWER on March 15, 2016
Format: Hardcover
There is one (horrifying) theme in Listen Liberal. It is that the Democratic Party has betrayed its natural constituency of labor, and is constantly trying (and succeeding) to outrun Republicans by doing more damage to the social structure than Republicans profess, thus stealing their thunder. “It has become Democratic thinking that the common people are at last being treated as they deserve to be.” They do it with “professionals”. Frank has filled this entire book with evidence of this one point.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats ain’t what it used to be, according to Frank. The Democrats have decided to put all their eggs in one basket: professionals. They staff their offices with them, just like the Republicans use only lawyers from the Federalist Society. Their backers are Wall Streeters, because the Democrats are at least as generous to Wall Street as the Republicans when in power. For the wealthy, it’s a win-win. Doesn’t matter who gets in. So while Republicans consider their base the uneducated, bootstrap entrepreneurs who create jobs, the Democrats consider their base the highly educated, networked professionals who create jobs. Two sides of the same coin. And neither one can be bothered with the rest of the population except when vote-gathering. Then, for a brief period, it’s all about inequality and jobs.

Frank focuses on the last two Democratic presidents, Clinton and Obama, and the upcoming contender – Hillary Clinton. He autopsies their administrations (and Hillary’s part in them) and finds them all the same – mouthing platitudes to gain votes from the electorate, then reverting to type and removing any and all support for them so they can to deliver on promises made to the rich. It was Bill Clinton who dismantled welfare and Glass-Steagle, not either Bush.

I particularly appreciated Frank’s discussion of glass ceilings – in terms of floors. While the Hillary Clintons of the world rail about glass ceilings, it was her Democrat husband president who removed the floor for mothers on welfare, creating extreme poverty where once there was a safety net. While Hillary grandly supports microloans for women (which do not work, other than to create more debtors and richer bankers), when in power, it’s all about supporting the rich at the expense of the poor. Garden variety hypocrisy, but coming from a Democrat, and about Democrats, it’s supposedly shocking.

Frank is overwhelmed by the Democrats’ adoption of professionals. Democrats think professionals can solve any problem, and every position is filled with one. Every event showcases them. Doesn’t matter that they have no real world experience; the fact they are professionals means they are highly educated creatives. That’s all that matters in a Democratic government. So to be disappointed in the Obama Administration is to show yourself as not being a professional.

It wasn’t always so. Frank shows that FDR’s Democratic cabinet had poorly educated secretaries who had street smarts, real life experience, and ideals. They could propose innovative programs that addressed real problems. And if they didn’t work, they had another idea waiting. His VP Harry Truman never went to college. Truman couldn’t even get an interview today. The Democrats’ solution to every problem is go back to school, preferably Harvard, Yale or Stanford, and every door will open for you. All you laborers – you’re fooling yourselves. Get an education and become professionals, because America doesn’t need or want anyone else.

Listen Liberal is a damning, upsetting polemic from a passionate, experienced insider. You might think it would make excellent fodder for a Republican. But it is actually a sad reflection of what has become of the country and its politics. Two sides of the same coin is not healthy. Someone needs to represent the 99%.”

Aaron RodgersVerified account
‏@AaronRodgers12
Congrats @JaredGoff16 on realizing your NFL dream. You made @CalFootball proud, enjoy LA! #RollOnYouBears

Tyler Higbee ‏@Ty_Higs19 18m18 minutes ago
Thanks Mr. Kroenke, @CoachJeffFisher, @kdemoff, Mr. Snead & the entire @RamsNFL organization for this opportunity! Cant wait to get to work!

Mayock says Cooper didn’t run fast but likes him. High school QB. Ideal slot receiver. Tape better than tested. Just makes plays. Lines up all over the place.

At least half my life as a Rams fan feels as though it has been a constant search for a quarterback.

I would LOVE 10 or 15 years from that position. One stable player.

Warner was 6 years.

Bulger was 9 years.

Everett was 8 years.

I can’t remember more stability than those three. Otherwise it has been an endless parade of failure.

Hopefully Goff changes that.

Manning played 13 years for the Colts.

Favre played 15 years for the Packers.

Montana played 13 for the 9ers.

I want that for the Rams.

Zooey wrote:

waterfield wrote:

Well I pretty much disagree with every thing you wrote-and I have no inclination to debate the issue point by point. So I give you that. However, following both her and her husband throughout their careers it is my belief that these issues have a far better chance of moving forward in a progressive manner with her than the lockstep republican naysayers based solely on ideology. IMO Sanders and Trump are from the same cloth-bluster w/o any sort of road map.

And for the life of my I truly do not understand one saying they can sleep well at night with either Trump or Cruz as president. Oh well-I’m done here-I do not do well in never-never land.

I don’t know what Clinton supporters are thinking of when you say she will move forward in a progressive manner. You mean she may support letting transgender people go pee in a public restroom?

She is a neo-con in foreign policy. She supported the assassination of Qadaffi, creating yet another vacuum for ISIS to fill, and she wants to keep spending trillions on dropping bombs all over the Middle East – which we have a good 13 years of recent evidence of proving does not result in anything good. And that is all money taken away from Universal Health Care which she says in unrealistic even though plenty of countries much poorer than ours can afford it.

This entire primary season has proven that she is all about consolidating her power, not about the principle of democracy. There is no reason to believe she will work to reform our decidedly undemocratic democracy which disenfranchises voters (even when it is working properly which it isn’t), or lift a finger to roll back the influence of big money in politics.

I could go on. I mean…name one issue she is progressive on.

And the argument that Sanders is all bluster without a plan is plan old crap. The man has a long, accomplished record of getting things done. A better record than Hillary.

Finally, the condescending attitude of Clinton to Sanders supporters – echoed in your classification of us as being children in “never-never land,” just goes to show how completely out of touch with Main Street she and her supporters within the establishment are.

I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. It is not acceptable to me to be limited by that choice any longer. For 36 years we have been told to be patient, and our turn will come. It’s obviously not going to come until the Democrat establishment is blown the hell up, and people take over the party, and insist on progressive policies.

As horrendous as the possibility of 4 Trump years is, the prospect of 8 years of Hillary is potentially worse for progressives because she won’t do anything, and the natural pendulum swing in the White House suggests Hillary’s successor will be a Republican. A vote for Hillary is a vote to punt with only a minute left in the game, and no timeouts left.

The seas are rising, the bombs keep falling, we have a worse child mortality rate than CUBA, and the corporations are not going to stop trying to strangle net neutrality precisely because the free net allowed Sanders to make as much headway as he did. Without a neutral net, the game will be over.

That’s a fantastic reply.

I don’t understand Clinton supporters. Why are they so in love with the status quo? Why do they accept all this money in politics with a wink and a nod? I just don’t get them at all.

This is an incredibly tough choice for me–and honestly–not 100 percent sure what I’ll do. If I vote for Clinton in the GE I just become another enabler of the whole thing. I can’t tell you how sick I am of that. My only motivation is fear of a Trump Presidency. I probably won’t know for certain which way I’ll go until I step in the voting booth in November. I won’t feel good either way when I come out.

I’ll have to check in from work when I can.

At least once the Rams pick I won’t have to worry about it until Saturday. I can watch that.

In the meantime I’m trying to come up with a good nickname for Goff.

The Goffmeister?

Fa Goff?

Goffdini The Amazing Escape Artist

Goffy The Kid?

Needs work.

Zooey wrote:

The Rams should trade the #1 pick for him.

Zooey you truly are evil.

wv wrote:

I don’t think i can vote for another Clinton.
Can’t do it. I hear what yer say’in, but I’m done
with the lesser-of-2-evils voting.

It’ll be Jill Stein, for me. And I’ll sleep
just fine if a Rep gets elected.

Bernie has done way better than i expected, btw.
I mean his policies are exactly the same as Naders.
So why did so many more support Bernie? I’ve been
wondering a lot about this.

w
v

I think as more people see how the machine works–as people watch their standard of living decline, they are searching more for answers and solutions and the usual stuff offered by the establishment just doesn’t sell as well anymore.

The internet helps with this–finding other sources beyond MSM is important. Peering outside the propaganda machine has opened some eyes.

But there is a long long way to go. And the wealthy owners of this society are always evolving to more tactics and finding ways around obstacles to get what they want.

The Democratic establishment party is a sham.

It doesn’t represent the working class anymore. They make very little pretense about that too–since they’ve been exposed. It’s more of an attitude of: this is how the world works children–what can we do? Or..YOU are too radical for this country–too far to the left.

I don’t know what will happen 2016 A.S. (After Sanders)but I truly hope the movement that he started can stay active in the face of this frustration. It is a movement that needs more apathetic voters involved(people who either have never cared about the process or have given up on it). If that happens there can be some serious changes. If it doesn’t it will continue to be marginalized and frustrated by the political machine in Washington.

The standard of living for the poor and middle class will continue to decline.

The gap between rich and poor will continue to widen.

And the wider it gets, the less that class will care.

I see Sam Farmer has become a Gofford Wife.

Remember “The Stepford Wives”? The REAL wives were replaced by robots who obeyed their husband’s every command.

That’s what’s happening to these columnists now. He is now a robot.

I have not been fooled by any of it. Even if they “announce” Goff as the pick on Thursday–don’t you believe it. It’s Wentz.

No offense bnw, but this is just another “think tank” guy promoting an agenda. In this case he works for “Ethic and Public Policy Center” which was founded by a minister and has been funded by some corporations(in this case Nestle)–the same way that the Kochs fund The Cato Institute and Heritage Foundation. They are tax write-offs masquerading as “charities” to push political agendas.

I don’t pay them much attention.

If you follow the thread of money in these cases you can usually find where the real interests are. They work primarily for political or corporate interests.