We survived Reagan…

I’d be happy to vote Jill Stein and let it all fall where it may.

I’m less worried about Trump putting boots on the ground in Libya or Syria or fomenting further coups as she did in Honduras as the BEGINNING to toppling the left and center-left regimes in Central and South America.

I have SERIOUS concerns that because of the massive backlash to stop loss programs and the inability to retain troops that Clinton will enter us into a “muscular” fight against the Islamic State such that we very well may have to reinstate the Draft. More boots on the ground can’t be accomplished without it.

Is Trump a buffoon? Of course. Is he a racist? Sure, but any more than Reagan? However, we still have a Congress and a Judiciary as well as individuals in the Executive who won’t want to go to jail and as such, won’t engage in unconstitutional behaviors (no more than usual, anyway…)

Doesn’t mean I’d vote for him, but I’m not SKEEEEERED of him the way I’m supposed to be according to Hillary and the oligarchy…DLC…er…DNC…er…whatever.

I’m just not going to do it. I may not know the crazy that Trump is (again, not voting for him), but I KNOW the crazy and wrong that she is and I WON’T support that.

I mean, if she takes office, who wants to start the pool for how soon we’re “boots on the ground in Libya”? or “Number of campaign promises broken or blamed on Republicans in first 100 days”?

You can’t do drinking games with her, because say, if you use the word “consistent”, you’d be dead of alcohol poisoning within an hour if the irony hadn’t killed you first…

You mean like Fisher’s adapted the offense to all the other QBs when Bradford went down?

Hmmmm.

I have a doubt.

I watched that Utah game, too.

He had moments. And… he showed that a defense that baits him can go underneath ALL DAY and eat his lunch.

He just didn’t face any other defenses that could either match up like that or defend like that.

EVERY defense in the NFL can do that to a rookie QB.

Ask Jameis Winston…

It’s not a Coryell.

It’s a quasi-WCO based on the vestiges of the Shotty hybrid Coryell/WCO system.

They moved it more toward a traditional WCO with Cignetti and Boras, but it’s still got parts of Schotty’s offense.

Thus, the quasi-WCO.

It has no coherent philosophy that it’s designed to create mismatches or attack certain zones of the field or stretch the defense horizontally or vertically…

It’s a mish mash. It’s got some plays. Part of the success Gurley had was running out of traditional WCO sets. Essentially stretch plays where he made a cut with a stacked box. Teams hadn’t adjusted and he was…gone.

Once teams adjusted, we didn’t see nearly as much of that. Fisher and Boras will have to adjust the run game or Gurley is going to seeing a LOT of 2 yard runs this season and writers are going to be arguing about a “sophomore slump” when it will be completely an issue of bad scheme.

Fisher had a chance to go Coryell and didn’t.

What I find striking is that Kroenke pays top dollar for coaches and Fisher had let the offensive coaches have basically free reign.

And yet, NONE of the top OCs wanted anything to do with the job…

Jim Bob Cooter after leaving Denver in 2013 was talked about inside league circles as a freaking phenom with the hick name.

Never gave the Rams a sniff…but he was fine going to DETROIT??? Sorry, there’s just no way I’m buying that he wouldn’t have taken an interview. Either he wasn’t interested or the Rams have no idea who the good OCs are…

Either way.

The direct answer is that no, we don’t run a Coryell variant, it’s a quasi-WCO or a “kinda” WCO. They went full WCO and it failed miserably because they didn’t have the personnel to run it. I’m convinced that Fisher thinks they can go with a more pure WCO with Goff.

Which leads me back to my original point…it’s never worked before… and there are reasons for that, schematically. Even Montana had to get out and move. Montana to Clark was on a rollout.

zn wrote:

Mackeyser wrote:

But into the vestiges of Shotty’s Coryell/WCO hybrid which is now more of a quasi-WCO?

Well, to put this in “informal poll” terms, my own personal view is that a mobile pocket passer with good pocket presence will thrive in the Rams offense. I basically see traits in Goff that remind me of Montana, Brady, Warner, and Manning. I am not predicting he will be their equal but I do think that’s his general territory, and I think he has a lot of the football virtues of those who belong in that territory. In fact one of the big things in this offense is setting up big plays (sometimes play action but not always play action and sometimes not even passes) and I expect that to continue. To me the only way all this doesn’t happen is if Goff just doesn’t turn out to be what he appears he is.

Goff is “pocket slippery”, but I wouldn’t classify him as mobile like Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton or QBs who can create when plays break down.

Peyton Manning was “pocket slippery” as is Brady, but both of them are in EP offenses, not WCOs and certainly those were and are very mature, successful offenses.

This broken craptastic offense isn’t remotely comparable to the Manning EP or the Brady EP even as a WCO. Not even close.

The Seattle WCO is kinda comparable in that it wasn’t successful until it had a Franchise QB, but they did have a defense and a power running game, but it needed a mobile, creator QB, not a pocket QB. There was SUCH a huge, obvious difference that Pete Carroll felt confident in benching the guy he traded for in Hasselbeck and paid big money and started the rookie he drafted in the 3rd round after TWO preseason games…

I’m curious why they went with 7.5.

I’m pretty sure with this schedule and a rookie starting game 1 and our initial gauntlet of 3 of 4 in the division and 3 of 4 on the road… we’re gonna start out in a hole.

Thus, probably end up with 6 or 7 at best.

Seems they’d get a bunch more action on the over going with 6.5…maybe too much…

Any team wanting Foles is probably looking at him as a post June 1st cut.

I’ve been saying that when they look at him in practice, though with a rookie QB, they may revisit that and go, “it may be worth having two vets as backups for a year.”

It’s not like they’ve spent any time or resources developing Mannion, anyway and they aren’t going to spend anything this year, so they won’t have ANY idea if Mannion CAN be the kind of backup that can step in an win games. Mannion has yet to play in any meaningful games or even take any meaningful snaps, even in preseason.

AND HE’S NOT GOING TO.

I said before the draft that we should trade Mannion on another forum and that went over like a fart in church. It’s logical.

Keep the two vets this year, then next year PAY Keenum who’s a solid backup vet and let Foles go and draft a guy to be the #3 late or UDFA like the Pats do.

But having Mannion on the roster this year? Why? If Goff and Keenum go down, what’s he going to do? Hand off and look pretty? They’ve spent no time developing him (even though he was the one who had to help Foles learn the offense as a Rookie. I like Mannion. I just think this Org has let him down…and badly).

great thread!!!

It’s fine to look at the positives.

However, it’s also a fact that no QB has come into a situation like THIS with THIS difficult a schedule and been successful.

I’ll root just as hard as everyone else.

I’m just not setting my expectations on an unrealistic deep playoff run when there’s just nothing to justify that.

Agamemnon wrote:

Mackeyser wrote:

Just not feelin’ it. Not anti-Goff, but not drinking the Kool-Aid and not believing the hype.

I’ve got a critical take that I think is well founded and grounded, but I dunno that there’s anywhere for it…

I really can’t stomach the unbridled faith in Fisher…

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to just take a sabbatical until it’s okay to be critical or what because no one seems to want to hear it right now…

I am with you on Wentz, Mac.

It’s not really so much Wentz as the reality that Fisher isn’t going to change.

Moreover, other than Brees and Sean Payton in NO, there’s been NO examples of a Franchise QB running a WCO who’s a pocket passer. I mean, other than a HoF QB outlier with a genius innovator of the WCO in Payton. There’s been some good to average guys, but no Franchise guys. All of the Franchise QBs running the WCO who were successful were guys who could create outside of the pocket.

Young, Favre, Elway, Wilson. Especially as the last few years have played out, the ONLY reason why Seattle’s WCO works is Wilson. Without him creating outside the pocket, this division slams the WCO. Moreover, even with a HoF QB, this division has been downright rude to New Orleans the last few years.

I liked Wentz because I knew Fisher wasn’t going to change and Wentz could do some of the things Wilson does. Goff is still a better pure passer.

That said, if Sean Payton were our HC tomorrow, I’d say that Goff was the better pick because he knows how to work with a pocket passer in a WCO.

I like Wentz for other reasons including his relentlessness. I think he’ll be a good one, but for the Rams, it was more a function of Fisher’s failings than the merits of either QB.

Sad, but true.

No doubt, week 1.

Just like Foles, he’s going to look lights out in practice and they go so Vanilla in pre-season that unless he just falls apart, which I don’t expect, then they’ll feel comfortable with him and using part/most of the playbook for the first game and they’ll tailor it to him and expand it as the season goes.

Keenum will get the majority of the backup reps and Foles will also get some.

Mannion will be Oliver Twist, asking “Please, Sir, may I have a rep?”

Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if they kept Keenum and Foles and simply waived Mannion or tried to trade him once pre-season got started…since it’s not like they’re gonna give him reps, anyway.

Watch…

zn wrote:

zn wrote:

The most encouraging recent example of an Air Raid transition to the NFL might actually be the guy who took Foles’ place, Case Keenum.

So yeah, Keenum DID make the transition. The numbers show this. Keenum, percentage of snaps in the shotgun:

2013: 75.5%
2014: 44.1%
2015: 45.6%

This may be one more reason the Rams are glad they have CK. He is not only a dedicated film junkie and student of the game, he’s an Air Raid to Play Action qb conversion.

He is going to have some value as a mentor, or so you would think.

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Yet another reason why it makes no sense that they have and are entertaining trade offers for Keenum.

And they’ve spent virtually no time developing Mannion who got aced in the whole Keenum v Davis backup QB battle and 3rd QBs get nothing during the season.

I didn’t realize mind reading was a thing…

Carry on…

I’ll start by saying that I’ll spend much more time and space tomorrow, but it essentially comes down to what we know about the offense, that we know its limitations, that we know Groh isn’t fundamentally changing the offense, that they are repeating the same “lack of competition” mistake they made with Foles and nothing done so far changes the underlying dynamics of why the offense so drastically performed so poorly.

The problems were systemic and still are.

Fisher wants to say they were a few plays from being 10-6. Okay, but they were also a few plays from being 4-12. Several of those wins came on close plays where the OTHER team could say the very same thing. He wants to play the “what if” game as if he could change a few plays and nothing else changes except the final result. Well Heisenberg’s Observer Principle and 3 Back to the Future movies ought to be proof enough that that’s not how it works!

I’ll be more specific later, but that’s a primer…