zn wrote:

NFL Rumors@nflrums

Los Angeles Rams Aaron Donald is the only DL since 1970 to make the Pro Bowl in each of his first 10 seasons.

i’m gonna venture a guess and say the last one was merlin olsen?

i have no way of verifying if this is true, but turner’s double team rate is higher than aaron donald’s??? one thing i can verify is eight of turner’s sacks have come in the last eight games. wow.

Kobie Turner moved into the top-20 in pass-rush win-rate this week.

Turner's 11% PRWR ranks 17th.

Also worth-noting, Turner has a double-team rate of 71%. Jalen Carter's double-team rate is just 59%. Turner also has a higher double-team rate than Aaron Donald (63%).

— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) January 2, 2024

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this is a test

https://x.com/BrandonJBranden/status/1742357372373180532?s=20

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i put this in another thread but it may be more appropriate here. compares kyren’s season to gurley’s 2018 season. i also want to note that 2018 was gurley’s age 24 season. this is kyren’s age 23 season.

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in this thread from the herd. don’t know how to upload just the pics here. but there’s two instances of turner getting double teamed while ad is getting single teamed. these are just two isolated instances. but i’m wondering if defenses are having to account for turner more. it’d be interesting to know.

just going along with wv’s question about how offensive coordinators view turner when they look at game film.

whatever the case he’s only 24. so i’m hoping there’s still a lot of potential left in him. not just so he can realize his potential. but also so that he hopefully can take some pressure off donald as he is starting to enter his post-prime years.

it’s also why i think they need to make a blue chip signing on defense. they can’t continue to expect donald to be prime donald. he needs help.

wv wrote:

I’d be curious how the various DC’s talk about him in the film room, though.   IF AD wasnt there, would Turner get double-teamed?   Is he that kind of wrecking-ball?   Or just a solid DT benefiting from AD?

my guess would be he is not an ad kind of wrecking ball. he won’t have game plans centered around trying to contain him. but i think he could be better than say a dante fowler who definitely benefitted from playing next to ad.

also. donald his rookie year played next to quinn and long. the same quinn who had 19 sacks the year before. and long who had two consecutive seasons of double digit sacks before donald came on board. again. i’m not trying to compare turner to prime donald. just rookie donald.

but yeah. you have to wonder how much of it is playing next to a guy who is in the legit conversation of greatest defensive player ever.

well.  i don’t think anyone could have predicted young, turner, and nacua would be THIS good THIS early.  maybe avila.  but certainly not the other three.  without those three this team is a losing team.  i don’t think caleb williams territory.  but certainly top 10.  not even mentioning dotson.  and not even mentioning kyren williams.  well.  some may have predicted kyren williams to be good.  i thought he could be decent.  but what he’s produced has been beyond my wildest dream.

i thought avila would be a decent starter right away.  i thought young and turner were a couple years down the road.  nacua i saw him in training camp and liked what i saw, but never did i think he’d be challenging a 70 year old record.

but they don’t have to reproduce that kind of an offseason.  i think they need a cornerback.  i agree with everyone who says that.  bring back most of their free agents.  i do think they need one big fa signing on defense.  maybe they can’t afford it.  i don’t know.  i think most of their needs they can accomplish through the draft.  and then of course.  the young players need to keep improving.  i don’t see them not doing that.  turner has donald as a mentor.  nacua has kupp.  i mean could you ask for better mentors?  seriously.  plus they just seem like the type of guys who are self-motivators anyway.  kyren williams too.  every time i hear that guy talk he just has this chip on his shoulder.  this feeling that he’s always trying to prove himself.  i don’t see success getting to these guys’ heads.  they won’t just follow the leaders on this team.  they are built to become leaders themselves.

i don’t know if he should win the defensive rookie of the year.  but he should definitely be in the conversation.  hoping he spends the offseason attached to donald’s hip.

byron young  as well.  what a season he’s had.

avila, young, turner, and nacua. we won’t know the true impact of this year’s draft class for another five years maybe. but wow. what a first year it’s been. wow. just wow.

also. congrats to kobie turner for tying donald’s record for nine sacks as a rookie!

and he’s got a chance to break it albeit with one more game than donald did.

i’d be interested to know how many pressures kobie generated vs donald his rookie year.

zn wrote:

Looks to me like a lot of this is not just the players but obviously the OL coach too, Wendell, who IMO has been just outstanding. This OL has the “Patriots feel” which doesn’t mean they play like the Patz exactly in terms of the scheme, but that the Patz, under the great OL coach Dante Scarnecchia, just had a real talent for playing together as a unit and for being aware of everything. Wendell played under Scarnecchia and then was an assistant OL coach for Aaron Kromer in Buffalo. That’s a good resume. It really looks like McV scored big with that coaching hire. An example of how that’s working out? IMO Havenstein has never played better. And it’s the personnel people too.

that’s kind of why i lean toward letting dotson go. not that he’s a jag. but i’m wondering if they can’t just find another diamond in the rough or two and coach them up. jackson i lean toward keeping because i think left tackles are hard to find and he’s also a restricted free agent so they have a little more control over the situation.

wv wrote:

Chris Long mentions the ‘drives’.   He’s right to talk about them.  You just have to see them.

i disagree slightly.  if this offense loses kyren, they will look very pedestrian.  gurley.  he’s more explosive.  he jumps out at you in a way kyren never will.  but he’s just as important.  the offense will sorely miss him if he can’t play.

Zooey wrote:

I do not look forward to Sean McVay’s inevitable move to the showbiz side of the game.

he seems to be reenergized this year. i guess winning will do that. but also the younger players developing and shining. hopefully he’s here for awhile. les snead too. he’s done a great job acquiring talent for the coaches to work with.

zn wrote:

Let’s say they trade down in 2024 and get 12 picks. 41% of that would be 4.9 or actually 5.

4 is the number i think they need to hit. you’re on the optimistic side. i’m a little more on the pessimistic side. so let’s say a range of 3-5.

plus of course they’ll need to hit on some other personnel moves. but it looks doable.