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InvaderRamModeratorI get a little bit of a sense there that you think I am arguing with you on this, a bit.
no, not at all. a lot of it is just thinking out loud. but it’s kind of interesting to me, that even though they struggled. they can get better.
i mean i find that a little bit exciting.
and the jags defense shut down roethlisberger and bell the previous week. held them to no touchdowns. and contrast that to goff and gurley – an extremely young backfield and how they did. so while i’m concerned that they didn’t do that well, i also realize it was against a defense that basically shut down a backfield consisting of a qb that’s won multiple superbowls and a running back with hall of fame potential. not even mentioning arguably the best wide receiver in the game.
so the fact that they i think they could actually do better than what they did has me excited.
October 16, 2017 at 7:23 pm in reply to: Los Angeles Rams vs Jacksonville Jaguars 15 Oct 2017 Replay Full Game #76195
InvaderRamModeratorcool. thanks, ag.
InvaderRamModeratori went to the niner game last year with my nephews. literally a sea of red. and the niners suck. and by the end of the game my nephews were cheering on the niners…
i told them i’m never taking them to a football game again.
InvaderRamModeratorIn some categories the Rams offense came in higher than the Jax defense has allowed on average. So on average, with Jax the opposing qb’s qb rating is 60; Goff’s against them was 86.2 . Their YPA allowed is 4.5; Goff got 5.9 (against anyone else that would be considered bad). Jax gets 1.7 Ints a game; Rams threw none.
i understand all that and yet i think goff and the passing game could have done better. and that’s not even putting them down. that’s all while understanding that the jags have maybe the best pass defense in the league. i mean they just shut down roethlisberger and le’veon bell. although i grant that goff was largely protected by mcvay unlike ben who got exposed big time by the game plan.
but goff and that cast have not had much time together. the oline 2/5 of which have new teammates have only had 6 games to really gel. goff has 6 games in this new system and 13 overall – 5 and 12 going into the game. his 3 best receivers weren’t even on the team last year. a rookie tight end and a second year tight end. how could i not think they could be better?
so that’s also exciting to me. this does not give the feeling to me of that linehan team that went 4-2. that had an offense whose main stars at receiver were holt and bruce who were at or near the end of their careers. bulger i think was a qb who had pretty much peaked at that point. jackson was the one young star with potential.
on defense pretty much the same deal. mostly a veteran defense without any blue chip talent. guys who were near the end of their careers or young guys without the potential i believe these rams have.
i’m feeling pretty good about this team, but mostly i’m excited by the prospect of watching goff and this young offense develop. just hope that goff can stay healthy and that they can adequately replace whitworth when the time comes which will be no easy task.
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InvaderRamModeratorand also to add to that the guys around him haven’t played in this system either. just getting that timing and chemistry i’d have to think is crucial especially when the defenders are elite. any hesitation can lead to a fraction of a second off which can be taken advantage of.
October 16, 2017 at 8:27 am in reply to: Los Angeles Rams vs Jacksonville Jaguars 15 Oct 2017 Replay Full Game #76147
InvaderRamModeratori’m trying to download the seattle and jacksonville games, but they’re being downloaded as a text file.
what am i doing wrong?
InvaderRamModeratorSo, how have defenses been able to slow down Goff?
Are they taking away his primary target and he’s having trouble getting through his progressions?
Is he locking on?
Or is it mostly a matter of playing really good defenses?
i don’t know. i’d guess it’s a combination of having his usual options taken away and just playing really good defenses.
i’m guessing going through his progressions will speed up with repetition. just seeing how a defense lines up pre-snap. and then post-snap. seeing how defenses are dropping into coverage and reacting to that. all of that should speed up with repetitions i’m assuming.
again. i don’t know. i’m no expert, but reading other people’s posts, it seems he’s doing a better job of not locking onto receivers. looking safeties off. but i’d have to think that his processing speed is still not where it should be. making him more inclined to lock onto receivers or cause just a millisecond of hesitation which elite defenders are more likely to take advantage of.
his sense of pressure and his internal clock also seem to be getting better. but again. i gotta think this will get better the more he plays.
and finally i remember ag talking about adding different things to his game and how it takes time to just fully incorporate that into one’s game. lots of things to think about for goff. maybe he’ll make a breakthrough sometime during the second half of the season. it’s only his sixth game in the mcvay offense. and he still hasn’t gone through a full offseason where he can just totally immerse himself in the offense. i think it’ll be different once he can go into an offseason having played a full 16 game schedule in the offense. then he’ll be better prepared to play against the elite defenses of the league.
InvaderRamModeratorfootball outsiders has the jags pass defense ranked first out of all 32 teams while seattle is ranked sixth.
so looking forward. and i’ll put the team rank in rush defense in parentheses.
ari – 24th (7th)
nyg – 22nd (28th)
hou – 11th (4th)
min – 21st (11th)
no – 16th (30th)
ari – 24th (7th)
phi – 15th (10th)
sea – 6th (23rd)
ten – 25th (17th)
sf – 26th (14th)definitely there will be opportunities for goff. jacksonville and seattle are the 2 toughest pass defenses goff will have to face this season with washington not too far behind at seventh.
InvaderRamModeratori’ll say this. if all of the parts around goff can figure out how to win games, then imagine what happens when it begins to click for goff.
the same was true for bradford. but he couldn’t stay healthy. let’s hope goff can stay healthy and on the field.
InvaderRamModeratoractually that last drive was more a credit to the oline and gurley. he did make a third down conversion there though.
Higbee keeps getting a fair share of targets as well.
yeah. i’m starting to think maybe he shouldn’t be getting targets. but with that secondary, maybe that’s what was available to goff.
InvaderRamModeratori’ll also say this. as bad as the offense played today, when they needed a long drive at the end to put the jags away, they grinded one out. i think they had a clutch third down conversion to kupp maybe?
anyway. that’s two times in a row goff finished a game with a strong drive. last week could have been a winning touchdown if kupp catches that ball. this week they ice the game with a field goal.
i don’t know exactly how to quantify that, but it showed me some composure from the now 23 year old.
InvaderRamModeratorsomeone correct me if i’m wrong, but it seems like woods is becoming goff’s favorite target which would make sense. he’s a smart savvy veteran wr.
InvaderRamModeratorWe have to be better on our run defense. Giving up a 75 yard run to Fournette early is not good.
Some positives is Gurley got another 100+ yard game. Defense only gave up 3 points after Jacksonville scored 14 early TDs. Those three points came in the second half.
I had a very good halftime pee as well. It felt good to unload it. Just saying.
to the rams’ credit they did limit fournette to 55 yards on 20 carries after that first run.
but yeah. it’d be nice to see them play well from start to finish once.
but they did finish the game off when they needed to.
InvaderRamModeratorgoff got through a really rough stretch of 2 games and looked… ok.
keep telling myself gotta be patient…
InvaderRamModeratori don’t think they need defensive backs anyway. line up in their 3-8 defense and dare the jags to pass.
InvaderRamModeratorLongterm, I got Everett, Kupp, Johnson, Ebukam, and Smart. So it could be 5. I don’t see Reynolds as a starter if they keep Watkins. Price and Rogers are role players.
i like ebukam too. if that were to happen. i mean holy hell.
InvaderRamModeratori gotta say it again. wow. what a draft class this could end up being. too early still, but 4 potential starters from a draft without a first rounder?
unbelievable.
InvaderRamModeratorright now i’m having nightmares of fournette running for 300 yards and knocking out rams defenders left and right.
InvaderRamModeratorlove jj. absolutely love this guy. he’s gonna be good.
if they can find a cornerback and a pass rusher in the draft next year this defense could be really good.
InvaderRamModeratortoday jared goff turns 23. he’s a pup. physically he still has a lot of maturing to do. you can see he’s already gotten bigger in just one offseason.
for a little perspective he’s younger than trubisky a rookie. in fact i think the only current starting qb younger than goff is watson.
InvaderRamModeratorI agree, and its not so much a knock on bradford as it is noticing that Goff has some special skills.
yeah. i think bradford was a good prospect and is a good player when healthy.
i think goff can be at least a notch above him. i don’t think his arm is quite as strong as bradford’s. but he’s got better pocket presence. it remains to be seen how good goff is at processing information as it’s happening on the football field. as far as being able to digest an nfl offense, i can’t really tell, but they both seem like smart guys.
This offense is gonna be so much fun to watch, when it grows up.
yeah. they’re all young and will be peaking at around the same time. the only thing i worry about is how they replace whitworth. sully too. but especially whitworth. i’m thinking they’re going to need one in 2019.
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InvaderRamModeratorI just wonder why his name never comes up when they talk about great linebackers around the league.
i don’t think he’s great. i think it’s more a matter of how you replace him.
cornerback is stronger in the draft and i think there are pass rushers will be available as well in the draft.
inside backers as versatile as ogletree aren’t. and by the time his contract runs out they can sign other guys.
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InvaderRamModeratori don’t know much about wentz really. haven’t seen him play, but goff’s pocket presence is light years ahead of bradford.
bradford was mobile. at least as mobile as goff, but it seemed he had no idea where the pressure was coming from.
InvaderRamModeratorThat leaves Donald, Watkins, and Joiner. imo
Of, the big names, I think Quinn will get cut next year, Tavon will get cut next year, and Johnson won’t be renewed.yeah i think quinn and austin get cut. and plenty of corners available in the draft next year. need to draft some pass rushers, but they got longacre and ebukam is a developmental guy.
InvaderRamModeratorsorry about the mix up.
so. for the cap experts here. seems like a pretty reasonable contract, no?
InvaderRamModeratorThe more year-to-year continuity that Goff, his line, and coach Sean McVay can have together, the more layers we’ll see with this offense that will make the Rams a dangerous unit.
this part i agree with. well i agree with a lot of it but especially this.
can’t help but feel mcvay is approaching this in stages.
once goff has mastered the first level of concepts mcvay will give him more things to absorb and incorporate into his game.
this next offseason will be huge.
InvaderRamModeratori know a lot of people here go to the herd. but for those who might not go over there. really good discussion talking about goff and missed opportunities.
http://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,591195,591195#msg-591195
InvaderRamModeratorit was a tough catch. i don’t fault him too much or at least not more than all the other mistakes that preceded it.
even if he did fumble it out of bounds as opposed to into the endzone, he’s still gotta keep both hands on it and if anything dive for the pylon. he decided to go flashy, and the wily old veteran thomas karate chopped his arm. just learn from it and move on i’d say.
InvaderRamModeratorI expected Kupp to make the catch, but I am not as positive that he should have made the catch as some. I say 7 or 8 out of 10 times he catches it.
i agree but would also add.
if goff had that throw over again, chances are he woulda made a more accurate throw. it was a good throw. maybe a great throw. but not perfect.
InvaderRamModeratori don’t fault mcvay for his use of tavon and todd. todd can’t get heavy doses every game. it’s just not practical. and tavon did do some good things out of the backfield. rams had chances. as mcvay said in the press conference, there was a pass to gerald which kam made a good play on. and then there was also the bootleg where goff tripped over gurley and took a sack. there were probably others, but those are the ones mcvay mentioned. goff throwing an interception on a dumpoff to gurley…
things happen. a lot of things went wrong that were out of mcvay’s control. could he have done better? there might have been things mcvay could have done. but it was largely an execution problem from where i stand. and also a veteran defense making clutch plays when it needed to. and some just plain old bad luck. and divisional games are always a little unpredictable to begin with. but the execution problems. this is a young offense. they will get better.
and given all that. they were still in it at the very end. just imagine when goff has another 27 games under his belt. when he’s got another couple offseasons under his belt. assuming health of course. he will be going into his 2019 season. and gurley should be in his prime years still (going into his fifth season). i’m not all that worried yet.
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