Bradford played his last game for the Rams in game 7 2013. Givens was leading the wrs. at that point with about 300 yds including a 100yd game He finished with 569 leading all wrs. Remember they started with the idea to spread it out that season and did the reboot pounding the rock with Stacy. 2014 Fisher brought in Britt, drafted Tre Mason , Britt mentored Quick who is also great at blocking in the run game. TA and Bailey were starting to roll and Givens was the odd man out.I disagree he fell apart long before Bradford left. Bradford left before the draft Givens was traded after the 3rd game that same year 2015. in regards to being under thrown I was talking about Clemmons , Davis and Hill he didn’t play enough with Foles or Keenum, although that preseason bomb from Keenum was quite a bit better than Quick has showed so far this year or last for that matter.

Britt and Givens are two very different wrs. Givens was a straight up burner and Britt’s game is power/redzone contested catches. Givens was a 4th round record setting rookie . Britt’s is a underwhelming 1st round pick. Givens went down hill quick and Britt has teased of a rebirth since coming to the Rams. Britt is 6’3″ Givens was 5’11” in boots. Britt 223lbs Givens 195lbs. With all due respect Zn what in the hell are you talking about ?

Where was this guy when Martz was run out of town ?

zn wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

zn wrote:

that is not true ER. numbers mean nothing in themselves you have to interpret them. you and I interpret the reasons for the record differently

I interpret the 65 games coached by Fisher as 65 games coached by Fisher. You can argue your interpretation and I am pulling for you and your happiness on this but the number 65 is not open to interpretation.

Yes things have to be interpreted. For example you have already done that. You have interpreted the record as being a direct result of Fisher’s coaching. I don’t.

I interpret the 1st 2 years as a result of rebuilding plus losing a starting qb.

I interpret the next 2 years as being an example of what happens when a team does not have a starting qb AND has issues with the OL.

Given how I see that, 7-9 in 2015 was actually quite an achievement. That is, it doesn’t matter who the coach is if all you have for 2 years is BOTH no qb (only #2 types plus a starter who fell apart and melted down) AND big issues with the OL (injuries, and then inexperience PLUS injuries). I cannot think of any team that won under those dual conditions.

So numbers are not real…they are always the products of interpretation.

YOu look at the numbers and say see, bad coach.

I look at the numbers and say see, what do you expect when they have that kind of double problem.

You think (it seems) it’s natural and inevitable that the coach is the final cause and source of blame for that.

I think it;s natural and inevitable that any coach would have problems if they faced that kind of double problem for 2 years running.

.

I hear you Zn but it’s not my argument . I am fully aware of your ability to talk me down of ledge year after year and I admire that quality. The sample size is not 1 game. I don’t deny injuries play their part and Fisher is not at fault for everything in every game every season and there have been some great games for which I give Fisher his due but sometimes it does come down to coaching. Last night he said he didn’t expect that out of them, the same thing he said after the vikes crushed us at home on the opener in 14′. If he doesn’t expect it why do I ?The roster has changed dramatically since those days but the team that showed up last night was the same team that showed up in 2014 and I do interpret that to be the coach.

zn wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

It’s not just one game it’s 65 games now.

I don’t look at it that way at all.

The “why not” is a longer response, and so will have to wait.

No explanation necessary Zn but the number is a fact and not a perception.You look at it differently because you can and it works for you.

It’s not just one game it’s 65 games now. I sure don’t need to see another game like that one
in my life time.The fact that they have rebounded after poor performance time after time makes it worse.This team is an undisciplined inconsistent mess. The only constant has been losses like this and coach Jeff Fisher. If you want to go to the home opener there are still seats available from $175.00 to $225.00.

10-4 good buddy. I went back and listened to the post game from the opener vs. viking from 2014 and I really wished I hadn’t .

I predict the Rams are shut out 28 to 0

His philosophy of keeping it close and somebody making a play to win it is a recipe for disaster . That and evaluating WRs .

I read the media’s versions first and then watched. Defense looked pretty damn good and is it just me or did Williams bring a little extra after Zimmer called him dirty last year on Joyner’s hit on Bridgewater ? Zimmer looked like he was crying on the sidelines after both his QB’s took that beating. Morgan Fox who I had never heard of looked unblockable. I didn’t think Goff was terrible. The int looked like a fluke to me and they didn’t give him too much to work with. That throw to Britt was freakish. Thomas might have just cut Quick who looked terrible again. Two muffed punts and KR TD special teams not looking well.

They let us take deer we hit here most of the time anyway. You hit a moose though and you’re lucky if you’re not seriously injured yourself.

I actually watched their preseason games and they look horrible. That of course means squat but Palmer looked much worse than his back up did and the OL was not good at all.

I don’t see anyone stopping this run game. The D doesn’t look right just yet. I watched live on Game Pass and had to listen to K.C announcers just awful . It was like they wouldn’t even mention a Rams player’s name and holding interviews during the game completely ignoring the Rams play.Worse than the infamous preseason Browns game a few years back.