My connection is terrible. Hope chat is back soon. Good luck Rams.

Ship of sadness.

Wide open kitty for the TD.

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

When I do my own sourcing, I try to stay with (roughly) centrist outlets, though I may stray every now and then. I think leftist sites offer better reporting in general, but if it’s a Dem/GOP food fight, I tend to stay with centrists to avoid charges of “partisan bias.”

Thanks for the laughs! BTW when truth is posted it doesn’t matter from where it is posted!

Trouble is, you never post the truth. You just post far-right wacko fringe nonsense, which no one outside the far-right bubble believes.

So says you but the facts prove otherwise. Tell me how does it feel to rely upon the lying MSM even to the point of defending them even after they have been proven to rig debates and polling data? And since news is time sensitive how does it feel to be so far behind the truth by YEARS as first reported by the “far-right wacko fringe”?

And who are you to call me a troll? There is no changing your mind or zn’s mind about this stuff. I get it. I really do. However there are lurkers here as I lurked before who might be interested, might actually agree. Might actually want to participate some day too. See its not about you.

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zn wrote:

bnw, do you imagine anyone here takes some rightie blogger seriously?

Meanwhile, this is the usual problem I see. People on the right who claim to be for rights and then just blow off the overwhelming evidence that the republicans have a voter disenfranchisement campaign going. Some republicans have even openly stated that’s what it is.

It is impossible to take someone’s views on this issue seriously if all they are is partisan bs.

If you’re not against voter disenfranchisement, which in principle ought to violate everything you believe in, then you are just a pure partisan and therefore nothing you say on this issue could possibly be taken seriously. And I don’t care if you’re just this victim of the partisan bloggers you echo. You still ought to see through it.

Watch the video. That is why I posted it.

Zooey wrote:

Comes up twice a year:

Who doesn’t hate the time change?

Why do we still do it?

I don’t hate the time change. We do it because it saves lives and energy.

Vote fraud is rampant wherever democrats get their hands on voting machines and illegal aliens. Even Obama agrees.

Criminal President Obama Encourages Illegal Aliens to Vote – Promises No Repercussions (VIDEO)

NewMexicoRam wrote:

bnw wrote:

NewMexicoRam wrote:

You all need to move to New Mexico or Maine.

That is why I asked you a question about living in NM a while back. I don’t remember you answering. I have considered that state to be populated by unfriendlies ever since. My emotional pain sustained almost had me put wv on retainer until I realized his heart is only into suing Coal Companies and the Girl Scouts of America..

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Sorry, I don’t remember the question.
This state is heavily Catholic Hispanic and then Caucasian (with a large portion of those transplants from elsewhere) then Native American with a scattering of other minorities (surprisingly more Vietnamese than African American here).
People are very surprised when they visit here how friendly everyone is. At least until nighttime when the border crossers come and the nightlife comes to life. A lot of night crime in Albuquerque.

Know anything about the Las Cruces area? Its a lot closer to the border so does that equate to more crime? I think the climate is more of a furnace there in summer than Albuquerque?

NewMexicoRam wrote:

You all need to move to New Mexico or Maine.

That is why I asked you a question about living in NM a while back. I don’t remember you answering. I have considered that state to be populated by unfriendlies ever since. My emotional pain sustained almost had me put wv on retainer until I realized his heart is only into suing Coal Companies and the Girl Scouts of America..

Some states allow electors to vote their conscience.

The rules for Electoral College voting by state law-
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

Zooey wrote:

bnw wrote:

The data alone disproves manmade global warming. The alarmists failed predictions disproves manmade global warming.

Yeah…no, it doesn’t.

And the fact that the United States of America is the ONLY country on earth where anybody even DEBATES this topic anymore ought to hint at something to you.

But…carry on.

If you are right, we will have spent a lot of effort making the planet a better place for nothing.

This isn’t a “hint”. Your “fact” is BS. Please do tell how your efforts make the planet “a better place”! Wow.

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Its always been from within the US government. Could be the FBI, CIA, NSA etc. Those agencies in which her treason puts employees and operatives in danger.

Billy_T wrote:

Another big factor when it comes to Americans’ seeming indifference to wealth inequality? Most Americans have no idea how bad it is.

A recent study demonstrated that brilliantly — and things have actually gotten more unequal since then.

http://www.rawstory.com/2010/09/poll-wealth-distribution-similar-sweden/

Link to the original study itself:

http://www.people.hbs.edu/mnorton/norton%20ariely%20in%20press.pdf

92 percent prefer Swedish model to US model when given a choice

Americans generally underestimate the degree of income inequality in the United States, and if given a choice, would distribute wealth in a similar way to the social democracies of Scandinavia, a new study finds.

For decades, polls have shown that a plurality of Americans — around 40 percent — consider themselves conservative, while only around 20 percent self-identify as liberals. But a new study from two noted economists casts doubt on what values lie beneath those political labels.

According to research (PDF) carried out by Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School and Dan Ariely of Duke University, and flagged by Paul Kedrosky at the Infectious Greed blog, 92 percent of Americans would choose to live in a society with far less income disparity than the US, choosing Sweden’s model over that of the US.

What’s more, the study’s authors say that this applies to people of all income levels and all political leanings: The poor and the rich, Democrats and Republicans are all equally likely to choose the Swedish model.

But the study also found that respondents preferred Sweden’s model over a model of perfect income equality for everyone, “suggesting that Americans prefer some inequality to perfect equality, but not to the degree currently present in the United States,” the authors state.

Recent analyses have shown that income inequality in the US has grown steadily for the past three decades and reached its highest level on record, exceeding even the large disparities seen in the 1920s, before the Great Depression. Norton and Ariely estimate that the one percent wealthiest Americans hold nearly 50 percent of the country’s wealth, while the richest 20 percent hold 84 percent of the wealth.

But in their study, the authors found Americans generally underestimate the income disparity. When asked to estimate, respondents on average estimated that the top 20 percent have 59 percent of the wealth (as opposed to the real number, 84 percent). And when asked to choose how much the top 20 percent should have, on average respondents said 32 percent — a number similar to the wealth distribution seen in Sweden.

“What is most striking” about the results, argue the authors, is that they show “more consensus than disagreement among … different demographic groups. All groups – even the wealthiest respondents – desired a more equal distribution of wealth than what they estimated the current United States level to be, while all groups also desired some inequality – even the poorest respondents.”

The authors suggest the reason that American voters have not made more of an issue of the growing income gap is that they may simply not be aware of it. “Second, just as people have erroneous beliefs about the actual level of wealth inequality, they may also hold overly optimistic beliefs about opportunities for social mobility in the United States, beliefs which in turn may drive support for unequal distributions of wealth,” they write.

The authors also note that, though there may be widespread agreement about income inequality, there is no agreement on what caused it or what should be done about it.

“Americans exhibit a general disconnect between their attitudes towards economic inequality and their self-interest and public policy preferences, suggesting that even given increased awareness of the gap between ideal and actual wealth distributions, Americans may remain unlikely to advocate for policies that would narrow this gap,” the authors argue.

Norton and Ariely’s survey was carried out on 5,522 respondents in 47 states in December of 2005. The results are to be published in the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science.

Great example. Sweden. They have self destructed since 2005.