Could Hillary win the election….and still LOSE?

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  • November 5, 2016 at 1:06 pm #56888
    NewMexicoRam
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    Washington state elector says he won’t vote for Clinton

    This is interesting. At the bottom of the article, the gentleman elector says he’s received supportive calls from other Democratic electors in other states? Could some secret Bernie supporters NOT vote for Hillary in December at the electoral college and take the process directly to the House of Representatives? And if it goes there, would the House GOP take this as an opportunity to vote in someone OTHER than the Donald?

    Sounds crazy and unlikely. But who ever thought we would have an election process this crazy?

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    November 5, 2016 at 1:51 pm #56891
    wv
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    If Hillary got herself elected
    and then she got herself impeached,
    would her VP then be president or would
    there be an election, or what? I forget how that works.

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    November 5, 2016 at 2:13 pm #56892
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    Some states allow electors to vote their conscience.

    The rules for Electoral College voting by state law-
    https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

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    November 5, 2016 at 2:15 pm #56893
    bnw
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    wv wrote:

    If Hillary got herself elected
    and then she got herself impeached,
    would her VP then be president or would
    there be an election, or what? I forget how that works.

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    The VP becomes president.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    November 5, 2016 at 2:28 pm #56897
    NewMexicoRam
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    Timing is everything, WV.

    She could be indicted anytime between now and inauguration but January is too soon to be able to get a conviction. But, the electoral college could vote for anyone it wants to, so if there’s an indictment before inauguration, the electoral college would rule (most likely vote for Kaine). Once she’s president, only impeachment and a 2/3rd’s Senate vote to convict would remove her. Obama could pardon her at anytime before he leaves office, in which case impeachment would be the only option for the GOP. If some crazy legal matter comes up before the inauguration and after the electoral college vote, and she feels the pressure to resign before becoming president, I believe the House would get to vote for president. So, I don’t think she would resign for any reason before inauguration. After inauguration, any removal or stepping down from office on her part would make Kaine president.

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    November 5, 2016 at 2:39 pm #56900
    Billy_T
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    Getting impeached wouldn’t change anything. Bill Clinton was impeached.

    They’d need to convict her. I’m guessing the GOP will impeach her if she gets elected, but I think they’ll fail to convict. And, right now, judging from the early voting returns and the surge in anti-Trump, Latino voting, Clinton should win the presidency. I have no idea how close it will be. But I suspect she’ll win a comfortable amount of EVs.

    Barring some major shocker or surprise, I think Clinton is the next president come next Tuesday. The GOP will then mobilize to block everything she tries to do, including naming Supreme Court justices.

    If the Dems win the Senate, however, that won’t matter, unless Schumer stupidly allows the GOP to filibuster everything.

    Regardless, the circus will go on.

    November 5, 2016 at 3:02 pm #56905
    wv
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    bnw wrote:
    wv wrote:

    If Hillary got herself elected
    and then she got herself impeached,
    would her VP then be president or would
    there be an election, or what? I forget how that works.

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    The VP becomes president.

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    Well, I’d rather have Hillary’s VP than Hillary,

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    November 5, 2016 at 3:09 pm #56906
    Billy_T
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    wv wrote:
    bnw wrote:
    wv wrote:

    If Hillary got herself elected
    and then she got herself impeached,
    would her VP then be president or would
    there be an election, or what? I forget how that works.

    w
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    The VP becomes president.

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    Well, I’d rather have Hillary’s VP than Hillary,

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    I would too. But he’s still too conservative to me. In his favor: He doesn’t have the Clinton’s baggage, at all.

    The Dem bench is almost as weak as the GOP’s. Not a lot to choose from. But, if it has to be someone from the duopoly, I wouldn’t mind Zephyr Teachout. I like what I’ve heard from her:

    From Wiki:

    Teachout is a tenured Associate Professor of Law at Fordham Law School and was previously a Visiting Professor of Law at Duke University and a lecturer at the University of Vermont.[9]

    Teachout served as the Director of Internet Organizing for the 2004 Howard Dean presidential campaign. In 2009, Teachout helped found the Antitrust League.[10] Teachout was also the first national director of the Sunlight Foundation, which promotes transparency and accountability in government.[11] She volunteered at Occupy Wall Street, where she encouraged the movement to focus on the importance of decentralized power, citing the ideas of James Madison.[12][13]

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