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AgamemnonParticipantGreg Zuerlein, whose questionable w/groin, makes trip to Cincy, but Rams have added K Zach Hocker to roster.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 29, 2015
Hocker began season w/New Orleans. To make room for Hocker, Rams cut TE Justice Cinningham.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 29, 2015
AgamemnonParticipantK Greg Zuerlein added to Rams injury report. He was listed as questionable with a right groin injury.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 27, 2015
I think Longacre has kicked. We will just go for everything or plan B, punt. 😉
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AgamemnonParticipantFisher gave a brief update on Stedman Bailey, said he remains in stable condition in ICU. Rams trainer Reggie Scott visited Bailey.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 27, 2015
QB Keenum (concussion), DE Quinn (hip/back), CB Johnson (thigh) all questionable for Cincy. Quinn and Johnson did not practice.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 27, 2015
https://twitter.com/jthom1/status/670335566999777280Officially, Donnal listed as out and Havenstein as questionable. But neither practiced all week, and neither will play Sunday vs. Bengals.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 27, 2015
AgamemnonParticipantAll of the above, plus the WRs and TEs, and the stupid refs. 😉
It all works together. The line will get healthier and older. The pass catchers can be improved in the draft. They need to get Foles fixed. We need a real passing game. The coaches will have to figure out something, pass or die. We will be ok next year. It is too much to fix this year. imo
Cut Cook. Give his targets to Quick. Quick can play better TE than Cook anyway.
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SUDFELD, Nate | Indiana | #7-A big, deceptively athletic quarterback with a strong arm. Sudfeld is a player who will pick up steam as the draft process unfolds. He’s flying under the radar a little bit and if he can find himself in a post-season all star game, his big arm and good looking frame will make his stock bubble up.
WENTZ, Carson | North Dakota State | #11
-An impressive athlete who proved to be a dangerous dual threat in 2014 and was on his way for similar success this year before a wrist injury ended his season. Wentz has already been invited to the Senior Bowl; he’s the kind of player who can dictate where he ends up getting picked if he has a strong showing during the week of practices in Mobile. He only has about 1.5 years of starter’s tape, so scouts will naturally be hesitant to give him a higher than day-three grade. He’s displayed plenty of arm strength and accuracy between last year and the start of ’15, but he’s an incomplete evaluation for me until the all star circuit gets going. I rarely let those events overwhelm my final grade, but in the case of Wentz, it will be critically important for him.
Another QB to look at. Just copied this from a previous post in this thread.
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AgamemnonParticipant2016 NFL Draft: Early Grades of the Wide Receiver Class
First Round Grades
http://draftbreakdown.com/2016-nfl-draft-early-grades-of-the-wide-receiver-class/
LaQuon Treadwell, Ole Miss (#7 on Big Board)
– Many draft pundits out there believe that there isn’t a true top ten receiver in what is a relatively good draft class at wide receiver; however, I believe a prospect named LaQuon Treadwell disputes that narrative. Standing at 6’3, 220 pounds, Treadwell possesses outstanding size for the position, and with that being said, he uses this size to his advantage to out-muscle smaller, less physical corners. The way that Treadwell attacks the ball with natural hands at its highest point is what draws comparisons to Alshon Jeffery, as he is nearly unstoppable in one on one jump ball situations. However, his best trait, in my opinion, is what he does after the catch. To me, he has that Julio Jones/Dez Bryant anger when he has the football in his hands, while still being able to make you miss in the open field. Not to mention, he is arguably the best, most physical blocking WR I have ever seen come out of college. Overall, he is a big, physical receiver with deep speed that can beat the cornerback in a number of ways, but like Dez Bryant coming out of Oklahoma State, Treadwell must refine his route running before he can realize this Pro Bowl ceiling of his.
Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh (#11 on Big Board)
– Tyler Boyd is a tall, smooth and fluid athlete at the wide receiver position that can essentially do it all. In my opinion, what he does before the catch is his greatest asset. He runs crisp routes as well as being able to generate a quick release, thus setting up his defenders for failure. Boyd doesn’t fight the ball like some young WR’s, but instead, he looks the ball in and consistently catches it with natural hands. Although he is more of a lankier receiver rather than a physical kind of guy like Treadwell, he can consistently go up and get the ball in traffic at its highest point. In addition, Tyler Boyd is also very hard to bring down when he has the ball in his hands in the open field, as I like to call him “slippery” after the catch. This RAC ability is not only on display on offense, but also in the return game as he is easily one of the most dangerous return men in the ACC. Although Boyd will struggle getting off of strong cornerbacks in press coverage, he is much more physical than what his frame foretells. Overall, I whole-heartedly believe, based on the tape I’ve seen both in 2014 and 2015, that Tyler Boyd is the complete package at receiver. He may not run a 4.3 forty, but by being the most natural route runner in this class as well as having some of the best set of hands, there isn’t necessarily a glaring weakness on his game. In fact, I see a Keenan Allen type of player with bits and pieces of DeAndre Hopkins mixed in. I’m sold that Tyler Boyd can be a primary option for an offense in the NFL as a WR1.
Josh Doctson, TCU (#16 on Big Board)
– A tall, yet lanky wide receiver at 6’3, 195 pounds, that attacks the ball in the air as good as anybody in the country. His high point skills and leaping ability are unparalleled, and I’d argue that he has the best set of hands in the entire WR class. Although he doesn’t have the long speed to burn you down the field, he creates separation on quick double moves and breaks in his route. I’d like to see him run a full route tree, but his knack to find the open area or “turkey zone” to some, eases that concern for me quite a bit. Overall, Josh Doctson is the best red zone wide receiver in the 2016 NFL Draft that could rise to WR1 status by April 28 if he heals in time to come back for All Star games and the Combine.
Corey Coleman, Baylor (#22 on Big Board)
– The controversy really does start here as I am not as high on Corey Coleman as some draft analysts out there who have him as a top 10 guy, but don’t be mistaken because I think that Coleman has as high an upside as any wide receiver in this class. In fact, I mentioned earlier in the year that he could have the potential to be an “Odell Beckham Jr.” like figure in an offense before and after the catch, but not with the one handed grabs. The explosiveness and rare lateral agility are what Coleman possesses athletically that lets him get open at will against any sort of coverage, but it is the reduced amount of routes that he runs now at Baylor that concerns me about his jump to the NFL. Coleman is going to have a steeper climb mentally in the NFL than other rookie receivers, but his sheer quickness in and out of his breaks is pretty remarkable, and some could make the case that because of this quickness, the concerns of his route running are a bit overstated. I feel like I’m stuck in the middle on Coleman in that I believe that his superior athletic ability will let him get by in terms of running routes, but I also do believe that, mentally, he is going to have to learn the wide receiver position all over again because of the offense they run at Baylor. Other than that, I think that Coleman’s aggressiveness after the catch is really underrated in that he has that Steve Smith mentality and competitive toughness. Although I would love to see Coleman catch the ball with his hands out instead of catching it close to the body, I don’t have a problem with it because he doesn’t fight the ball at all and rarely drops a pass. Size is going to be talked about with Coleman throughout the process, but I believe his aggressiveness and physicality makes up for that when he plays either on the outside or in the slot. All in all, I think Coleman is a special talent that can rise into the top 20 on my board when it is all said and done, but I do think the brakes need to pumped about him being a top 10 guy overall and the top receiver in this class.
Mike Williams, Clemson (#25 on Big Board)
– In my opinion, the most naturally gifted and awe-inspiring wide receiver in this draft class is Mike Williams of Clemson. Although there have been some wide receivers named Mike Williams that have failed to live up to their billing (USC and Syracuse), this Mike Williams of Clemson looks like he was born to play the position. The way he moves down the field is reminiscent to what we saw in Devante Parker last year in that he simply glides past defenders both before and after the catch. Catching the football is also relatively easy to him, and he can time the high point of the football very well. One of the main traits that sets Williams apart from the rest is that he puts himself in great position each time the ball is in the air, and has great body control when he hauls it in, which is relatively rare for a young receiver to have. Now, we all know that Mike Williams suffered a serious neck injury that has knocked him out of action for mostly all of 2015, but he would be my top wide receiver in this class if healthy.
*UPDATE*
– In his latest scouting notebook over at Bleacher Report, Matt Miller updated the draft community on the declaration status of Mike Williams for the 2016 NFL Draft. “Area scouts I spoke with tell me it’s unlikely Clemson wide receiver Mike Williams will enter the 2016 NFL Draft after suffering a neck fracture in Week 1. The plan, I’m told, is for Williams to return at 100 percent in 2016. If healthy, Williams will be my No. 1 wide receiver for the 2017 draft.”
Written by Jonah Tuls on November 20, 2015
Second Round Grades
Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma (#30 on Big Board)
– Of all the wide receivers in this group, there isn’t a player that is more underrated than Sterling Shepard. He is a smart, shifty receiver as he as bad a matchup for opposing cornerbacks than anybody in the country because of his ability to create gobs of separation in and out of his breaks with crisp, smooth routes, excellent foot quickness, and field vision. While you would believe that he would be excluded to the slot role at 5’10, he plays much taller than he actually is both at the high point of the ball in one and one situations. Shepard is also an easy catcher of the football and has excellent boundary awareness when catching the football on the sideline as well. He is a go-to guy in the open field for a quarterback, but also a legitimate red zone threat as well on fade and slant routes in man coverage. As I’ve said before, Sterling Shepard is probably the most reliable wide receiver in the country when the ball is in his hands, and I would be hard pressed to find another receiver that makes a bigger impact after the catch than him. One area where I would like to see Shepard improve in is his play strength at the LOS. To me, it seems as if he struggles to get off of press coverage because of his limitations in overall physicality and strength. Also, I don’t see the same explosiveness that Coleman has in terms of pure speed and burst, but is much quicker than he is fast. With a solid Combine outing, I could easily see teams fall in love with him, thus making him a strong choice to sneak in the latter part of the first round.
Corey Davis, Western Michigan (#39 on Big Board)
– The 6’3 junior wide receiver of Western Michigan, Corey Davis, is the prototypical player that has the size and creation ability in terms of separation that scouts drool over at the NFL level. Unlike most young, tall receivers entering the draft, Corey Davis is actually one of the best route runners in the entire draft because of his uncanny ability to set up defenders with his feet and eyes that fool them with his quick reactions. While he does have this quickness to create separation at the top of his route, he lacks the overall deep speed that you would expect out of a top-level wide receiver for the NFL Draft. Other than his marginal deep speed for the WR position, he is extremely physical at both the LOS and in jump ball situations as well as being able to adjust his body to a poorly thrown ball. He uses his large frame and catching radius to pluck the football from the air and transition into RAC mode seamlessly. Despite his relatively decent play strength; he is very unreliable as a blocker as I think it is more of a mental, ”want-to” issue more than a concern with his overall physicality with his body. In fact, if you read my CB breakdown last week, you would understand if I call Corey Davis the “Kevin Peterson” of the wide receiver class this year in that he is the complete package at wide receiver, but his limitations athletically are what is holding him back from being a first round pick.
Michael Thomas, Ohio State (#52 on Big Board)
– Thomas possesses a decent combination of size and speed as a wide receiver as well as proving time and time again that he is one of the better possession receivers eligible for the 2016 NFL Draft. What I love about Thomas is how he sets up cornerbacks before the catch with stutter steps and double moves. If you don’t agree, check him out vs. Virginia Tech in the season opener against Kendall Fuller where he absolutely toasted him on a go route with a simple stutter step. Along with this, Thomas has excellent field awareness and has a knack to find the open area to where he can catch the ball with reliable hands and a wide catching radius. However, Thomas fails to create separation at the top of his route on occasion because of stiffness in his change of direction skills. Although Thomas is a very crafty route runner as I mentioned above, he is not your stop/start athlete to where he can create separation at will. I have seen analysts that have him as high as their top receiver in the class, but to me, he is going to be nothing more than a solid complementary wide receiver for an offense as a possession guy. This may seem unpopular to some, but when I watch Michael Thomas, I think of solid, not special, which screams to me a second round pick.
Travin Dural, LSU (#60 on Big Board)
– On the surface, Travin Dural looks like he is the total package at wide receiver in terms of size, speed, and soft hands, but it is a bit more complicated than that. Although Dural has the necessary AA to have a quick release in and out of his breaks, he really does round off his routes or in my eyes “banana” the route. At least when I was a kid playing little league football, my 3rd grade coach would make us run around the goalpost if we rounded or “banana’d” our routes in drills, so I bet you could assume why that was taught out of me at an early age. So with that being said, Travin Dural could be much more lethal as a WR if he refines his route running so he can use his speed to his advantage to create further separation. I mentioned his soft hands earlier, but he does tend to “body catch” on occasion, which isn’t necessarily a problem, but it is instead something that I would coach out of him. The last thing I want to mention about Dural is his inconsistency. Maybe that is on the lackluster QB play at LSU, but I go into their games thinking about which Travin Dural that I’m going to get. Am I going to get “Monster Dural” to where he can get open at will and aggressively attack the ball then transition to his long strides after the catch, or am I going to get “Lethargic Dural” where I feel like I see a player that is rounding of routes and not using his AA to his advantage? But even with that said, whoever drafts him could get one of the steals of the draft with his high ceiling and low floor.
Rashard Higgins, Colorado State (#63 on Big Board)
– In terms of production, Rashard Higgins has the best resume of any wide receiver in this draft class in my opinion. With Garrett Grayson as his quarterback in 2014, he caught 96 passes for 1750 yards and 17 touchdowns. How does Higgins make this possible? Well, he is as crafty a route runner as anybody in this draft as well as having strong hands to pluck any football thrown his way with that 6’2, 185 pound frame of his. I don’t think Higgins will test out of the roof in February, but I sense a much faster player on tape than what he will test as in shorts. He plays fast because he picks up the game faster than most receivers his age, and subsequently, the cornerbacks going against him. He’s not as strong as Corey Davis, but like him, he also lacks the ability to consistently gain separation at the top of his route. As a player with the ball in his hands, he is a special prospect, but he must getter stronger at the POA to contest for jump balls and to fight off stronger CB’s in press coverage. A well-rounded player that is, in my opinion, a Day 2 lock if he declares and checks the boxes at the Combine and his Pro Day.
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AgamemnonParticipantHere is Rams statement on Bailey: “We are aware Stedman Bailey was involved in an incident this evening. We have spoken with Stedman. . .
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 25, 2015
". . ..and he is in the hospital in critical, but stable, condition. We are gathering facts about the situation and will provide updates. .
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 25, 2015
AgamemnonParticipantTeam source confirms that Bailey has been shot. Team thinks he's OK, but again, team is still collecting info.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 25, 2015
November 24, 2015 at 4:54 pm in reply to: Hochman: Rams' Fisher Should be on 'Hot Seat' – Podcast #34650
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AgamemnonParticipant“I still would have moved Garrett (Reynolds). And that’s kind of where we’re leaning this week with Garrett…..”
Fisher opted to move veteran Garrett Reynolds from left guard to right tackle, shift rookie Cody Wichmann from right to left guard and insert second-year pro Demetrius Rhaney at right guard.
Even if Battle were active, “I still would have moved Garrett,’’ Fisher said Monday. “And that’s kind of where we’re leaning this week with Garrett.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-notes-mason-battle-missed-team-bus-sat-out-game/article_2fcaa77b-9e9f-58fb-a104-e2baee54c6fe.htmlYou know, I sort of hate that. You strengthen one position, but you weaken two or three positions. I never liked that math.
Reynolds is best at guard. Robinson is best with a vet next to him. The guy moving into the spot that Reynolds left probably isn’t in his best position. Last game Battle was inactive and we all know why. Next game I want Battle playing RT, he played that one year in college. LEAVE everybody else alone and help Battle, if you have to. imo
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AgamemnonParticipantFisher said QB Nick Foles went to warm up on his own after seeing Keenum down on the field. Said that's normal procedure for backup QB.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) November 23, 2015
Fisher said that head trainer Reggie Scott talked to Keenum and Keenum told him he was OK. Sounded like Scott didn't get long to evaluate.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) November 23, 2015
NFL & NFLPA will conduct mandatory conference call Tues w all 32 head athletic trainers to discuss concussion protocol after Keenum incident
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) November 23, 2015
AgamemnonParticipantFisher said Andrew Donnal does not have an ACL but has pretty severe MCL knee injury. Non-surgical. Could miss several weeks.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 23, 2015
Fisher confirmed that Mason & Battle were suspended for missing team bus to St. Louis airport Saturday. Both arrived in time to make flight
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 23, 2015
AgamemnonParticipantFisher talked to Keenum on flight home. Said Keenum was doing better on Monday and if he passed concussion protocol would start vs. Cincy.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 23, 2015
Fisher said no one's to blame in this instance, but league, coaches, players union, medical officials have to work through and find solution
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) November 23, 2015
AgamemnonParticipantI would like to see some Mannion
in the last month of the season.I mean, why not? I’m not saying
they should get him all bulgerized
but let him play some — give it to Gurley,
throw quick passes, that sort of thing.
Get him some experience. Its too early
to do it now, cause they aint gonna admit
the season is over, but maybe in the
last month or so.w
vWhen we get 8 loses. That might only be two more games. And how healthy can it be for our QBs to play behind this injured line?
AgamemnonParticipantAnd once missing there is this.
Foles was fine until he melted down.
I agree with Nittany, that is bad analysis.
And on top of it, it’s like this repeat of the 2007 nightmare, and I mean this one. The OL loses 10 players to injuries, and what do a lot of people do? Blame Bulger.
This is a young and inexperienced OL that got injured on top of it.
What happens? I see people complaining that they benched Foles for Keenum.
A: “Why aren’t you serving lunch on time.”
B: “The restaurant is on fire.”
A: “Well hire a decent cook for a change, jeeesh.”I should have pointed out that I was just interested in that they said Fisher was the one that really pushed for the trade. I was for the trade.
AgamemnonParticipantAnd before anyone gives Fisher an out by saying he hasn’t had a decent quarterback, sources said he was the one who pushed the Nick Foles trade to completion back in the spring. When he got back from a competition-committee meeting and learned the trade has stalled, he leaned on his staff to get it done.
Also from the same story, I found this of interest.
AgamemnonParticipantDo you think
this team is “close”
to being a double-digit winner?w
vYes. With Mannion, the smartest QB in the room. One more year for Oline and a good draft. Even Fisher can get 10 wins. 😉
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AgamemnonParticipant2016 NFL Draft Prospect Preview: Laquon Treadwell
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016ltreadwell.php#O6zWQIfmUjmxZvp1.99Laquon Treadwell, 6-2/210
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Laquon Treadwell 2015 Preview
By Charlie CampbellCareer Recap: Ole Miss put together a tremendous 2013 recruiting class with some of the top talents in the nation. One of the stars of that class was Treadwell, who was ranked as one of the top players in the nation and among the best wide receivers. Treadwell stepped onto the field and contributed immediately as a freshman. He had 48 catches for 632 yards and five scores while serving as the No. 2 receiver to Donte Moncrief.
As a sophomore, Treadwell played well even though his quarterback Bo Wallace was extremely streaky and missed some opportunities for more completions to Treadwell. He recorded 48 receptions for 632 yards and five touchdowns across nine games.
The year ended on a sour note as Treadwell suffered a gruesome season-ending injury against Auburn. Late in the game with Ole Miss down by four points, Treadwell was about to cross the goal line with a critical touchdown when he was ripped down from behind by a defender. The awkward takedown bent Treadwell’s leg backward the wrong direction and caused a broken fibula and dislocated ankle. The tackle looked like it could have caused even more damage than that. To add insult to injury, Treadwell fumbled the ball just before falling over the goal line for a touchback to the Tigers. That play ended Treadwell’s season, but he still was an All-SEC Second-Team selection.
2015 Season Outlook: The 2015 schedule will provide some excellent tests for Treadwell. After a few warmups, he will go to Alabama and take on cornerback Eddie Jackson. That will be a better test before his first game in October, when Treadwell takes on the best cornerback in the nation: Florida’s Vernon Hargreaves III. If Treadwell gets the better of Hargreaves, that could sent a jolt into the receiver’s draft stock.
Late in November, Treadwell will have back-to-back tests to close out his junior year. LSU has a good cornerback tandem in juniors Tre’Davious White and Rashard Robinson. To end the regular season in the Egg Bowl, Treadwell will see the duo of Mississippi State’s Will Redmond and Taveze Calhoun. The Bulldog corners are big, and it will be interesting to see if Williams can gain separation going against them.
Skill-Set Summary: There is a lot to like about Treadwell. He is a smooth, polished receiver who does everything well. He runs good routes, has reliable hands, has good body control along the sideline, gets separation out of his breaks and uses his size well to shield defenders from the ball.
Treadwell had a nice burst with some run-after-the-catch skills as well. He can break some tackles while using speed to fire into openings and really looks good to pick up yards after the catch. As a sophomore, Treadwell was very good at picking up yards on bubble screens. He is skilled on the back-shoulder routes that are extremely popular with NFL offensive coordinator and quarterbacks.
Treadwell also looks like a team player. There are also plays where he is a beast as a blocker, and when his quarterback runs, he wasn’t becoming a fan.
In speaking with scouts, they said that Treadwell really impressed them and their comment on him was, “he’s the real deal.” However, that is based on his play before his broken leg and dislocated ankle. It wouldn’t be surprising if Treadwell has an injury hangover into the 2015 season.
2016 NFL Draft Expectations: Treadwell’s draft stock is tough to estimate because some players make quick recoveries from injuries while others seemed to have their play subdued for a year afterwards. He also will be breaking in a new quarterback in 2015. If Treadwell returns to his pre-injury form, he looks like a first-rounder. If the junior has a down year, he might be a second-day pick, but if his production and play are down, he could return to Ole Miss for his senior year.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016ltreadwell.php#O6zWQIfmUjmxZvp1.99I am jumping on the Treadwell bandwagon.
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