would they start 3 rookie OL

Steven baker is our third tackle? I think i’m gonna be sick.

wv wrote:

I am less concerned about Barksdale than most, i think.
I really dont care if they resign him — I think he’s pretty ordinary.
I actually wouldnt mind three stud-rookies starting. Or scrounging
for another vet-Olineman and going with two rookies and some other vet.

I know a lot of folks dont want three rookies but I
am more concerned about ‘quality’ than experience
at this point.

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I can see this viewpoint. He is not a special player at all.

But I guess I would stress the risk involved. We are sailing close to the damn wind on the OL. There have been very few decent OL vets available and we’re punting except for the one swing guy. The Rookie field looks like it’s deep. But, again, the risk. Rely on 3 rooks and you’d better have hit on all 3!

The other thing is the cap space. If we won’t use the cap space we got for Sam on a good OL, then I wonder why we made the trade.

I think the point ultimately is that, right now, we do not have even decent answers at 3 OL positions. The situation is dicey. As I’ve said before, they almost surely have a plan. But it’s a damn risky plan.

wv wrote:

rfl wrote:

The Rookie field looks like it’s deep.
But, again, the risk. Rely on 3 rooks and you’d better have hit on all 3!

Yup. They’d have to hit on all three.
And there’d be rookie-mistakes for sure.
But there might very well be worse
things than having 3 young, strong, healthy, stud
rookie OLinemen. Definitely not ‘ideal’
but there might be worse things.

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3 rookie OL would once again put us in a familiar position. Losing in the first part of the season, than coming on strong afterwords. And that’s if you hit on all three. Unless you have a Saffold situation in which case he played well right out of the gate. It’s not a good plan to rely on that to happen. I’m assuming they will put Saffold and Robinson on the same side.

I know what the play calls will be:

Run left
pass left
roll out left
play action right

wv wrote:

Herzog wrote:

Steven baker is our third tackle? I think i’m gonna be sick.

I am less concerned about Barksdale than most, i think.
I really dont care if they resign him — I think he’s pretty ordinary.
I actually wouldnt mind three stud-rookies starting. Or scrounging
for another vet-Olineman and going with two rookies and some other vet.

I know a lot of folks dont want three rookies but I
am more concerned about ‘quality’ than experience
at this point.

w
v

I want to feel secure nextyear. Like rfl stated, we would have tee rookies, add on top, that Robinson is going into his second year, and Robinson is technically a rookie since he did not start, if correct, until week 8? This team is a playoff caliber team, is a playoff caliber team, and I do not want to feel scared of not being able to protect the QB. Barksdale looked bad, because he had Davin Joseph and Scott Wells at RG and C. I’d rather draft a LG, and and have Saffold move back to RG, and run between the RT and RG positions.

wv wrote:

I wonder how many winning teams have started
three rookies on an Oline. I tried googling
it but i cant find anything.

w
v

I wonder how many teams have ever done that, winning or losing,

InvaderRam wrote:

well i doubt anyone could get 3 stud young olinemen in one draft. not sure that’s ever been done in the history of this league.
i do think they could draft 3 olinemen but i doubt they’d all be blue chip talent. at least one or two would need some development.

I haven’t been able to find a single instance
of a team starting 3 rookies on the Oline — so,
maybe its not a good idea 🙂

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v

I’m wondering if Blaylock would be a better signing than Barksdale at this point. If they are going to draft a Stud right tackle, and they have two candidates that could at least hold the fort at center, both being experienced in the system. It would be better for a rookie RT to have two guys next to him that know the system. Of course, this all depends on Blaylock not being Joseph 2.0.

Robinson, Saffold, rookie, rookie, rookie. And Robinson is still learning his position. That would be worse than last year. Won’t happen.

BTW: I expect Robinson to have a really good year this year.

The plan is three rookies? Kind a scary – poor Sammy, er I mean Nick. Have all other options failed?

Seems like there’s always room for a couple Davon Joseph types. But, hopefully the Davon Joseph type’s they sign this season play better than Joseph did. I’d say at this point since the Rams didn’t listen to anything I’ve said about the OL that all is lost. No, I’d actually say they’re gonna see what they can get in the draft and then sign the leftovers once again. Maybe Jake Long gets healthy and comes back as a backup guy? Maybe Richie Incognito wears out his welcome in Buffalo and Fisher decides to roll the dice on him. Maybe Rich Saul or Tom Mack come out of retirement and lead the Rams to a bruising win at Kezar stadium over the San Francisco 49ers.

Just somethin i read,
on the topic of starting rookie OLineman.
This is the only instance of two rookie 1st Rounders
starting, that i can think of. The two guys Singletary picked.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/49ers-rookie-starting-linemen-grinding-learning-3246493.php

49ers’ rookie starting linemen grinding, learning

David White, Chronicle Staff Writer Published 4:00 am, Friday, November 12, 2010

Mike Iupati’s personal odometer says he should be preparing for the Humanitarian Bowl. Anthony Davis’ body clock says it’s time to gear up for the St. Petersburg Bowl.

But then, 13-game seasons were so college ago. These rookie offensive linemen are in the NFL now, where 12 games played – four exhibition, eight regular season – means they still have eight games to go.

Welcome to the rookie wall, big boys, where bruised and beaten bodies are forced to play far beyond the confines of Pop Warner, high school and college scheduling demands.

“I can’t try to compare this to my college career,” Davis said. “Just got to keep going.”

Davis, the No. 11 overall draft pick from Rutgers, has started all eight regular-season games at right tackle. Iupati, the No. 17 overall pick from Idaho, has done the same at left guard.

“Just got to keep grinding and keep working,” Iupati said.

For 488 snaps, they have squatted their 300-pound-plus bodies at the line of scrimmage. On 488 snaps, their bodies have smashed into an equally big defensive lineman.

Any day now, their bodies are going to start wondering when does it all end.

“I think you’re so busy, you’re so involved, you don’t have time to notice you’re really tired,” said left tackle Joe Staley. “But there is a sense in your body that this season’s long. We’re only halfway done with our season and they’d be ready to be done with it by now.

“Every rookie goes through that process.”

If anything, playing right away has accelerated the maturation process for both players – even if the rest of the offense paid the price for the initial learning curve.

Davis has given up six quarterback sacks and committed six false starts, tying him for second-most in the NFL in both categories. No one will say who allowed the sack that left Alex Smith with a separated left shoulder at Carolina, but it came through Davis’ side.

“I’m not near where I want to be,” he said. “I’ve got to keep getting better.”

Iupati’s miscues are less visible because he’s tucked between a tackle and center, but when someone beat Staley inside, it was usually because Iupati didn’t slide over in protection.

Such mistakes were to be expected when coach Mike Singletary decided to throw two rookies into an offensive line that was so bad last year, the team felt the need to draft two linemen in the first round.

At least they’re grounded enough to admit they have been pretty bad at times. Both players realized as much when they recently watched film of their preseason game against the Raiders, making their progress since all the more evident.

“What was I thinking? What the heck was that?” Iupati said as he laughed. “When I first got here, it was bad. But it’s better now.”

And Davis?

“What was I doing?” Davis said as he shook his head. “I look at pictures from earlier in the season, it’s like night and day.”

Davis and Iupati say they now know better, and both coaches and teammates say it shows.

Consider Sunday’s game against St. Louis a good progress report. Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo is a defensive whiz who sends pressure from everywhere. Davis joked that the Rams “brought the coach one play.”

If Davis and Iupati can form a wall against the Rams, they may break through the rookie wall just yet.

“I’m just excited to come to work,” Iupati said. “It’s all a mind-set. Just have fun playing the sport you love and keep playing, keep learning.”

Tootie Robbins: 1982 / Round: 4 / Pick: 90
Luis Sharpe: 1982 / Round: 1 / Pick: 16

1982 St. Louis Cardinals

9/13/2009
Eugene Monroe has his hands full with Dwight Freeney, whose spin move is as quick as ever. No way to be entirely ready for that. David Garrard has really helped out the rookie tackle a couple of times, but Freeney also has a sack. With Eben Britton at right tackle, the Jaguars are the first team to start rookie tackles in the opener since the 1982 St. Louis Cardinals with Luis Sharp and Tootie Robbins.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/3222/halftime-observations-from-jaguars-colts

Nice article. See link.
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http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/1/16/2706759/2012-nfl-draft-what-level-of-performance-can-be-expected-from-rookie

“….Based on these numbers, here are a couple of thoughts:

When you draft a lineman in the first two rounds, you are drafting an immediate starter.

Of the 45 linemen in this analysis, 33 (73%) started the majority of games for their teams in their rookie season. Eight other players (denoted with a *) suffered either serious or season ending injuries in their first year. That leaves only four players who did not start the majority of games in their rookie season. In other words, barring injury, 90% of offensive linemen taken in the first two rounds are starters in their first year. That’s pretty encouraging for any team contemplating drafting an offensive lineman.

Rookie linemen have a steep learning curve.

Despite their high draft pick status, only eight of 45 (18%) linemen delivered an above average performance (marked in green in the table above) in their rookie season as graded by PFF. Keep in mind that a positive PFF grade means that a given player played better than the NFL average player at his specific position. A below average grade doesn’t mean that a rookie necessarily played badly. In fact, an argument could be made that some of these guys actually played quite well, for a rookie.

Most rookie linemen arrive in the NFL still needing to improve their technique, work on their strength & conditioning, learn new playbooks and much more while facing wily veterans who will prey on their inexperience. This takes time.

Popular opinion holds that you can expect monumental improvement from rookies in their second year in the NFL. That may be true for many positions, but does not seem to be true for linemen. The sum of the second-year PFF grades for players picked between 2008 and 2010 is identical to their first year grades. Sure, some improved, and some regressed. A look at the tables above shows no significant improvement in the grades for all players between year one and year two. And a look at this year’s Pro Bowl lineman presents a similar picture. The average Pro Bowl lineman is 28 years old and is in his sixth NFL season.

Offensive linemen are not plug-and-play solutions to your O-line troubles. And for most of them, their learning curve needs to be measured in years, not months.

Tyron Smith Rocks….

2009 NFL Draft

Projected as a first-to-second rounder by Sports Illustrated, Mack was the highest ranked center available in the 2009 NFL Draft.[6] He was drafted by the Cleveland Browns with the 21st overall selection. He was the first Golden Bears offensive lineman selected in the first round since Tarik Glenn in 1997.
Cleveland Browns

Mack signed a five-year contract with the Browns on July 25. During the 2009 NFL Season, Mack started on the Browns offensive line every game. After a shaky start, the Browns line, anchored by Joe Thomas, paved the way to three consecutive 100+ yard games by Jerome Harrison and one game in which Harrison ran for 286 yards, which stands at third all-time in one game. At the end of the regular season, Mack was selected as center on the All-Rookie team.[7] He started all 16 games, committed only 1 penalty and allowed just 1 sack.

During the 2010 NFL season Mack again started every game for the Browns. He was named to the 2011 Pro Bowl roster as a second alternate to replace Nick Mangold.[8] During week 5 of the 2011 NFL season, Mack played through appendicitis during a loss to the Tennessee Titans. Mack had an appendectomy during Cleveland’s bye week and came back and started against the Oakland Raiders the week after the bye week.

On December 27, 2013, Alex Mack was voted to his first Pro Bowl Selection, after having been added in 2011 to replace an injured player.

On April 9, 2014, it was announced that the Jacksonville Jaguars had offered Mack a five-year contract, worth reportedly $42 million.[9] The Browns had a maximum of five days to match Jacksonville’s offer, which they did on April 11.[10][11] Mack had been previously assigned the transition tag, nullifying his free agency unless a team signed Mack to an offer sheet. During Week 6 against the Pittsburgh Steelers on October 12, 2014, Mack was carted off the field due to a leg injury. X-rays tested positive that his leg had a broken fibula, forcing Mack out for the rest of the 2014 campaign. Prior to Mack’s injury, he had never missed a single snap in his professional career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Mack