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  • #36151
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    Blue and Gold

    Hero of game: Tim Barnes. Barnes saved our butts twice … huge

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    Score wasn’t that close. We stopped that offense pretty well, DLmen were tired, missed too many sacks. But, we hit hard, forced fumbles and actually recovered them. They had 39 yards rushing until that 21 yarder by Wilson where Sims knocked the crap out of him. We physically beat them . . . forced those fumbles, not by strips but mostly hits.

    If Rams could pass we win that 30-10

    Hayes: best game of his career. Our 3 DEs had 3.5 sacks, 2 FF. Hayes should be a contender for NFC DPOW.

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    Prime Time

    What Seahawks Fans Are Saying After The Game

    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/12/27/10671748/seahawks-rams-final-score-seattle-st-louis-nfl

    The Seahawks played extremely poorly against the Ram at home on Sunday, losing 23-17 to fall to 9-6 on the season. The win was the Rams’ first in Seattle in their last ten tries, and in losing, Seattle snaps a 70-game streak where they’d held a lead at some point. They also failed to rush for 100-plus yards for the first time in 25 games.

    All bad. Bad things. Bad job. Bad game.

    The Seahawks turned the ball over three times and failed to come up with two key St. Louis fumbles on the Rams’ early fourth-quarter scoring drive that ultimately put the game away. Russell Wilson struggled in the pocket behind a resurgently porous offensive line, and St. Louis’ physical tackling really took a toll on Seattle’s receivers, who had passes jolted out of their hands on a few key plays.

    With the loss, Seattle’s playoff seeding remains up in the air. They have already clinched a playoff berth but heading into the postseason as the #6 seed looks more possible. The #5 seed would play at Washington, while the #6 seed would play at the winner of the NFC North (either Minnesota or Green Bay). Right now, I’m not sure what Seahawks fans would rather have.

    Several Seahawks left the game with injuries, including Luke Willson, who suffered a concussion.

    A whole bunch of analysis to follow shortly.
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    I won’t lie, I’m mostly happy no one suffered (Willson pending) a long-term injury today.
    The Rams tried really hard to accomplish that.
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    I hate the Rams.
    They exist solely to injure the players on their division opponents’ rosters, and spoil their seasons. However, there is no evidence that they have a consistent ambition of their own, beyond the role of “relentless spoiler.”

    Hate ’em.
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    I hate em too.
    Fisher is washed up as a coach, and beats Seattle to keep his job, hanging by a thread for years. Hallmarks of his tenure are crappy quarterbacks, non creative offenses, headhunting defenses, and consistent losses to every average or better team except the Seahawks. freak him and his team, too. They are like the guys at the bar who are too ugly and lame to get laid and decide to pick a fight in the parking lot instead.
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    I haven’t wanted the Rams to win a game since that first super bowl against New England
    With the possible exception of regular season games against divisional opponents when a Ram win would massively benefit us. I definitely hated them more than the 9ers prior to 2012, and I think it’s time to go back to having them as my most hated team.
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    Gregg Williams’ game plan is to injure opposing players
    Was that way in New Orleans, is still the same coach in St Louis.
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    If I said how I really feel, I’d either be arrested, banned, or committed.
    The most disgusted I’ve been with a Pete Carroll Seahawks team. Absolutely freaking embarrassing game today. Not excited about next week. Not excited about the playoffs. freaking embarrassing losing to that pack of douchecanoes. Twice.

    Zero credit to the Rams other than to credit them with their inferior ability to wrestle away the loss. Days like today make me wish I never wasted my times on sports.
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    I think the lesson this week is that crap is tough in the NFL, no matter how good your team is or who you’re playing
    With the possible exceptions of the Titans and the Santa Clara dumpster fires.
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    Hard to be too disappointed.
    A fumble for a TD. A few bad snaps. 2 fumbles that we didn’t recover. Reffs leaning the other way.

    We just didn’t get the breaks. It happens.
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    Not really sure how much of this was PC’s fault. I felt he could’ve went for it on fourth down instead of taking the field goal…may not have made a differance.
    O-line was absolutely aweful. Russ didn’t trust em and Lewis couldn’t snap the ball worth a freak. Zero run game and defense played terribly without Kam…zero pass rush, no sacks, no turnovers, Sherman got burned badly….I mean what do ya do. Combine that with some real bad penalties and the ball bouncing for the rams literally every.single.time….This is a team loss. To be fair Russ played decently all things considered I think. And Baldwin set a record.
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    I agree except with your D didn’t play well.
    They weren’t awesome, but they caused some fumbles, (we didn’t recover, fumble luck) and really, the Rams did crap on offense in this game, had a short field once, and the D scored a TD. Other than that, FG on another short field.

    Basically, if they lose the fumbles they should have to average it out in the game, we probably win. While we didn’t play well, we literally held them the same as us outside the fumble recoveries. Their offense was as much crap as ours. Russ was pressured more, but also made a lot more plays than they did.
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    Best part of this game was seeing Chris Long talk crap to fans…
    Guy’s never made the playoffs in his career, this loss isn’t stopping Seattle from going to the playoffs, and it’s the FIRST TIME HIS TEAM HAS WON IN SEATTLE IN 8 TRIES… I couldn’t help but laugh when the camera showed him talking crap.
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    No crap!
    What a freaking C. Doesn’t care that they are a perpetual 8 – 8 dirty diaper of a football team every year…”I don’t give a freak” as he repeated over and over. Yee haw we beat the Seahawks. Maybe if he gave more of a freak he might be playing for more than moral victories at some point in his career. Don’t hold your breath. He can spend his off season watching us play meaningful football while he works on creative ways to apply his eye makeup for next seasons 8 – 8 campaign.
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    He just won his super bowl
    Let’s be happy for the guy.
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    That was a feces & vomit milkshake taking the form of a football game.
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    There we were, just cruising along…

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    Thoughts
    1. Our pass rush is just OK, nothing today, we have spent alot of draft capital on this
    2. OL horrible today, did not match the rams intensity, our whole team didnt
    3. It sure is nice to at least have the threat of a running game, invisile today
    4. Another subpar game for Russel in the rain
    5. Lots of fluky plays against us, we had some bad luck
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    We spent the first half trying to run. I was actually happy we bailed on the run in the second half.
    Had the Hawks not fumbled everything but their dicks we won that game.
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    Regardless of who they play in the wildcard;
    run game is extremely worrisome. Even if Marshawn comes back, doubt he’s 100%
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    Counterpoint: GB and Washington don’t have the d-line that STL has.
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    Nobody does.
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    Somehow the Rams have allowed fewest sacks in the league.
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    I thought Wilson actually played pretty well, all things considered
    Other than running into a couple sacks (which he more than made up for with successful scrambles) and fumbling late in the game when he should have run out of bounds, he didn’t have any glaring mistakes (the interception on 3rd and long was basically a punt). It’s not his fault Tukuafu fumbled, or Patrick Lewis killed 2 drives with errant snaps, or guys can’t hold onto a slick ball, or that no one can block Aaron Donald.
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    first half:
    Rams score 7 points from a fumble return TD, 3 points from a drive that started at the 50, 6 points from a drive that started at our 28.

    golfclap.gif. frustrating as hell, but whatever.

    they had ONE SCORING DRIVE in the second half. 11 plays, 62 yards. Story of the game is the Seahawks offense misfiring and unable to beat the defense.
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    Yeah, the bounces went their way
    It was just one of those games. It happens. Maybe we needed to lower our expectations a little. Still think this team can go far in the playoffs.
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    what drove me nearly delirious with rage in the first half
    was how Wilson kept trying to do his turn-around-and-loop-backwards half circle thing to avoid DL pressure, which DOESN’T WORK AGAINST THE RAMS DL AND HASN’T FOR FOURYEARS. until they replace the Rams’ DL with a pile of inert boulders, it’s clear and has been for years that they’re too athletic for Wilson to bank on running out of trouble. Get rid of the ball!
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    I can understand him bailing through the backdoor given Aaron Donald is waiting for him at the front door.
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    Yeah, pressure up the middle (on both run and pass plays) is the story of the game
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    That was the Ram’s Super Bowl
    Now it the Hawks turn to win the Super Bowl!
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    I hope RW doesn’t have a significant injury or we are screwed. 13 hits, jeez.
    I’m really upset that sherman gave that TD, all pro corner couldn’t cover Kenny freaking Britt, please.
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    He had a couple hits on his knees that looked freaked.
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    I especially loved the one where we got called for holding on the same play the defender lunged at Wilson’s knees.
    Sure, let’s not call the penalty we’re obviously staring at.
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    Not to mention the helmet to helmet on Wilson
    When he fumbled the ball away in the 4th. Regardless, he should have gone out of bounds.
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    I’d give Sherman a pass on any other route.
    Get beat on a double move? Fine. It happens.

    But a pure go route against Keenum and Britt? Unacceptable.
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    This was just the stupidest game.
    Is it terrible to say I expected something like this? Rams barely over 200 yards total offense, but their D-line beat the hell out of us and between stupid Ram-luck and some questionable calls they pull out the win.
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    Watched the game with in-laws and a kid, couldn’t even swear
    So I’ll say it here: freak the Rams. freak Jeff Fisher. Enjoy watching us rip through the playoffs from your damned couches.
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    Today the Rams were the better team again.
    Got to get Seahawk crap together and win 4 in a row. At least won’t have to play Rams in playoffs.
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    Rams had a putrid 207 yards of total offense, they got some late christmas gifts from seattle.
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    O-line took 50 steps backwards.
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    Dave Softy Mahler @Softykjr
    Patrick Lewis had tears in his eyes in locker room. Called his performance “unacceptable”
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    10 is St. Louis’ magic number.
    They won when Seattle won 10 overall in a row against them and they won when Seattle won 10 in a row at Seattle. And Fisher still can’t get them a winning record…
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    Please
    If 10 was their magic number, they’d win that many games in a season. At some point. Ever.
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    RW throwing the ball 41 times is never a good idea, 25/41 barely 60% completion. Running game nonexistent.
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    With the dumpster fire OL
    I am not sure what other option there was besides kneeling out the entire second half.
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    If you’re gonna drop a turd, I guess now’s the best time to do it.
    Offense wasted the 1st half with telegraphed runs and long developing passes.
    It was obvious Bevell switched it up in the 2nd half. We were moving the ball up and down the field for the most part.
    Fumbles lost us the game. Simple as that.
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    Fumble luck
    is a bitch.

    And for freak sake, why do the Rams get gifted a football that they didn’t even recover every time we play them?
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    yep
    We were 2-4? Now in the playoffs for 4 years in a row.

    We still had flashes of an awesome offense. Their d line was just too much.
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    I haven’t been this frustrated
    Since the last time we played the Rams.
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    I haven’t enjoyed a Seahawks vs Rams game
    Since the infamous Whitehurst game.
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    Next year we’ll be 14-2
    Our two losses will be to the 5-11 Rams.
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    Guys, look on the bright side!
    We’ll always have Johnny Hekker / Cliff Avril GIFs
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    Dave Softy Mahler @Softykjr
    Very weird vibe in the Hawks locker room. Feels almost like a playoff loss.
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    im baffled that this wasnt expected as a distinct possibility
    I get pretty down on losses, but very zen over this one. For those of us who didnt at least see this possibility – well, this is what happens with the rams.
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    OMG what a turd.
    I was afraid it would happen but this SPECTACULARLY…
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    It’s the Rams, no explanation. So much weird blue td, weird snaps, penalties, etc….just weird. The Rams never play great, we just play like crap.
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    THE RAMS WIN THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Oh wait, they’ll be watching the playoffs from home this year once again you say? Wow I would’ve never guessed with the overreaction the players had after winning. Did Jeff Fisher get a Gatorade bath by the way? Only took some 10 years and the sloppiest game of the year outside of maybe the Cowboys game to get it, but take it when you can I suppose. Did I mention the Rams will be watching the playoffs from home yet? Just checking.

    People are freaking out like the sky is falling but forget this is the Rams who the Hawks always struggle against. It was a sloppy ass game to boot so what could we possibly expect in the end? Hopefully this is just them getting it out of their system before the playoffs start.

    Also, did anyone notice an excessive amount of launching from the Rams, Gregg Williams led defensive players at Hawks players when trying to tackle? Oh I forgot Jeff Fisher is a member of the Competition Committee so there’s no way the Rams would ever do anything dirty like that to give themselves an edge in a game by potentially ending an opponents career.

    The O line was a porous joke but remember Alvin Bailey was starting today. The guy cries about not being a starter by tweeting “I wish I could be in 31 other places”. Well guess what Alvin, we have something in common because I wish you could too. If you ever wonder why you aren’t a starter just watch the freaking tape from the game today and you’ll realize why. Outside of jumbo package plays, Alvin is basically worthless.

    Every team has bad games everyone, just remember that. The sky isn’t falling. Stay optimistic, this team is still good. And when you’re feeling down, just be thankful you aren’t a Browns fan. GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    /pokes head in, sees overreaction, not surprised, clears throat for an attempt at being a Voice of Reason.
    Huh. I know we played like crap today, but when you look at how damned fortunate the Rams were for every single toss-up scenario and still managed to only win by one score, they’re still lucky they won at all.

    While 5th vs. 6th seeding may be important for tactical reasons, I personally don’t give a rat’s ass. We’re in the postseason and we’re going to have to play our guts out to get to the Super Bowl whether we play the Redskins first or the Packers. What I want is no injuries heading into the postseason, and the Rams sure tried to spoil that nonsense. I don’t know how Greg Williams continues to be allowed to coach football when the NFL professes player safety and health, but it is what it is and for a while there I was damned paranoid he’d succeeded to chalk up another scalp with Russell Wilson.

    Meh. Not sweating anything. We’re not any better or worse off than we were a week ago. 10-6 or 9-7 might not be as sexy as 11-5, but postseason is postseason. I don’t care how we get there.
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    This game wasn’t as bad as we think
    This will be controversial, so let me preface by saying that the offensive line was horseshit today (though that’s mitigated by the Rams having an absolutely dominant DL). And we certainly deserved to lose – the Hawks got outplayed.

    That said, I think we were actually a lot closer to winning this game than people think. I would contend that if Patrick Lewis doesn’t roll a bowling ball to Russ on a 3rd and short play in the 4th quarter, there’s actually a better than 50% shot that we win the game. The offense figured stuff out in the second half – it wasn’t pretty, but it was mostly working. We had a long first drive for a TD, one punt (that was a Lockett almost-catch away from continuing the drive), another nice drive derailed by a Lewis terrible snap on 3rd and 2 in St Louis territory,

    a long drive ended by Russ fumbling on a run inside the St Louis 10 (after taking a risk that he probably wouldn’t have taken had it not been a two score game), and a garbage time TD. That is to say, the Rams only actually stopped us with their defense once in the entire half (and even then, were a “who the freak understands what a catch is” non-catch away from letting us continue the drive).

    Anyway, if Lewis just gives Wilson a decent snap, the odds of a first down on that play are pretty high (and if not, it’s 4-down territory, so the odds of a first down on one of the next two plays is excellent). If that drive continues, the way things went most of the half, I think we score a TD, and then everything about the game changes – we’re down only one score with a fair amount of time left.

    Obviously none of that is guaranteed, but I think whole games can turn on single fluke plays more than we usually admit. If not the Lewis snap, then imagine if we recover one of the St Louis fumbles on their last TD drive. Again, it’s a one score game with a ton of time left, against a D that isn’t dominating us as thoroughly as they had in the first half.

    We outgained St Louis 313-207, but were killed by turnovers, bad snaps, and failure to recover fumbles. That’s the definition of a game in which fluky plays and luck played a major role in determining the outcome. I’m not going to say the Seahawks played well – if they had, they would have been able to overcome all the other crap, but it was far less of a beatdown than a lot of people seem to think, and just a couple of bounces going the other way (or even just one snap not bouncing) could easily have changed the result of the game.
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    Russell Wilson comes down to earth
    Passer rating of only 88 today. Last 6 games: 21 TDs, 1 INT.

    One TD pass next week and he’ll tie Dave Krieg’s team record of 32 TDs passing, set in 1984. Krieg had 24 INTs that year. Russell has 8.
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    I ain’t even mad.
    I only come back to Seattle for the holidays so this was the one game of the year I could go to, would’ve been nicer to win but still fun to see the team and fans in person.

    Unfortunate combination of bad luck, some awful officiating (not sure how things looked with the benefit of better replays at home, but at the game things were looking fairly comical by the 4th quarter [oh, big seahawks play? holding. fumble? gotta go to the rams. etc etc etc]), and poor play (oline and Lewis played terribly, which cascaded into some poor decision by Russ, receivers seemed to be hearing footsteps every time a StL DB got within 10 yards,

    and I guess Sherman decided to give his haters some ammunition for the season). The refs/luck could have been overcome with better play, and conversely had some of those bounces and calls gone our way this was a very winnable game. All teams have crappy games, all teams have games where the bounces don’t go their way.

    Ultimately this sucked but I’m not concerned about it in the long run. We are in the playoffs, we don’t have to deal with the StL Dline again this year, and the optimist in me thinks it’s unlikely we’ll have more games like this where essentially every call and bounce goes against us.
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    Man, all of the controversial shootings in the St. Louis area the last couple years and neither Gregg Williams nor Jeff Fisher are targeted once?
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    Boo, classless comment.
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    Can we quit singing the praises of the O-line now
    Our playoff success depends upon our offensive line. When the article appeared recently on FG praising the offensive line’s turn around, I thought “way too soon, wait until we see how they perform against a strong pass rush”. Yes, they had played better, but look at the competition.

    This is the first game since we started winning that we went up against a good defensive line, and look at the results. Unless something changes, we’re not going very far in the playoffs. Based solely on this matchup, we can beat the Redskins, Vikings, and possibly GB, but we don’t stand a chance against either Carolina or Arizona.
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    Worst game I’ve been too in three years as a season ticket holder

    #36160
    NERam
    Participant

    Man, reading some of these comments is almost as much fun as watching the “W”…

    #36162
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    Also, did anyone notice an excessive amount of launching from the Rams, Gregg Williams led defensive players at Hawks players when trying to tackle? Oh I forgot Jeff Fisher is a member of the Competition Committee so there’s no way the Rams would ever do anything dirty like that to give themselves an edge in a game by potentially ending an opponents career.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #36164
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    no way the Rams would ever do anything dirty like that to give themselves an edge in a game by potentially ending an opponents career.

    That reminds me. When was the last time we saw this many Rams leave the game with injuries? Granted some came back…but still.

    #36167
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    That reminds me. When was the last time we saw this many Rams leave the game with injuries? Granted some came back…but still.

    Couldn’t say, but you did call it in the chat. With all the players (from both teams) being examined in the locker rooms, this was dubbed the concussion bowl.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #36177
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    What happened to the Legion of Boom? LOL Didn’t we do today what Seattle always tries to do?

    Agamemnon

    #36193
    Dak
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    Wow. Hope the Seahawks play in Green Bay … they’ll have plenty of cheese to soak up that whine. 😉

    #36250
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    laram

    Benny Cunningham is the Rams Swiss Army knife and one of my favorite players on the team. The type of player every team needs. Nice North/South kick returner as well.

    Sherm tried to press Britt, but Britts strength forced a slight stumble by Sherm and that was all he needed to blow by him. The look on Sherms face was priceless. Its really to bad Britt cannot do that more often…or can he??

    Two years ago when Barnes faced Mebane he was castigated for it. Sunday demonstrated how far he has come as a pro, he was fantastic. I like him, he’s the perfect size for a center who needs to get out and move and get to the second level. As you point out he was downfield for the fumble recoveries because he hustles, he’s always second/third level looking for somebody else to block. He’s not a pro bowler but he’s a lunch pale guy that is an important cog in the success of a team.

    Against a team that was blowing people out on offense, I had no problems with Williams play-calls. Especially with as many players down as he had to deal with. I thought he mixed and matched well, all things considered.

    #36251
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    “douchecanoes” ?

    w
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    #36252
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    I like [Barnes], he’s the perfect size for a center who needs to get out and move and get to the second level.

    There’s something to that.

    Boudreau centers over the years…and in terms of their weight, they are all in “if that” territory:

    Barnes 6’4 297
    Wells 6’2 300
    McClure 6’1 286
    Romberg 6’3 293
    Meester 6’3 300
    Mitchell 6’4 300
    Ruddy 6’3 295
    Wohlabaugh 6’3 296
    Glover 6’2 278
    Hilgenberg 6’3 250

    There’s 3-4 pro bowl years mixed in there btw.

    If you look at PFF’s top 10 rated centers for 2015, there are some who have those dimensions, but there’s also a trend toward larger guys:

    Berger (Vikes) 6’5 303
    Frederick (‘boys) 6’3 311
    Tretter (Packers) 6’4 307
    Pouncey (Steelers) 6’5 303
    Zuttah (Ravens) 6’4 303
    Unger (Saints) 6’5 309

    #36253
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    Rams43

    Was a long time coming, huh?

    A record home crowd and in the rain.

    With a backup Ram QB.

    A beat up Ram D before the game even started, then shortly losing Barron, Fairley, Westbrooks, and TruJo (for a short time).

    Chris Long was even forced to take snaps at RDE for a while.

    A young and reshuffled OL that had only played together for a few consecutive weeks.

    Third game for the new OC.

    Did I mention the game was in Seattle? Where the home team almost always wins?

    Facing a red hot Seahawk team averaging 34 points a game.

    Seahawks winners of 7 of the previous 8 games, I believe?

    No sacks allowed.

    No false starts.

    Only 5 penalties accepted, I believe.

    Shut the “12th man” the heck up multiple times.

    Abused the Seahawk OL all game long that had been “looking good” for at least 6 weeks. ‘

    Embarrassing abuse on National TV. With no Quinn or Fairley, mind you.

    Frustrated one of the league’s best QB’s all game long.

    Double digit lead for much of the game until the final minute.

    No trick plays needed this time. The Rams just rose up and kicked butt.

    You know, I can’t remember when I’ve been so proud of this team. But it’s been quite a while, that’s for sure.

    #36258
    Dak
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    laram

    Benny Cunningham is the Rams Swiss Army knife and one of my favorite players on the team. The type of player every team needs. Nice North/South kick returner as well.

    Sherm tried to press Britt, but Britts strength forced a slight stumble by Sherm and that was all he needed to blow by him. The look on Sherms face was priceless. Its really to bad Britt cannot do that more often…or can he??

    Two years ago when Barnes faced Mebane he was castigated for it. Sunday demonstrated how far he has come as a pro, he was fantastic. I like him, he’s the perfect size for a center who needs to get out and move and get to the second level. As you point out he was downfield for the fumble recoveries because he hustles, he’s always second/third level looking for somebody else to block. He’s not a pro bowler but he’s a lunch pale guy that is an important cog in the success of a team.

    Against a team that was blowing people out on offense, I had no problems with Williams play-calls. Especially with as many players down as he had to deal with. I thought he mixed and matched well, all things considered.

    Those are all good thoughts. I also thought about the role of Bennie Cunningham … but, wasn’t he one of the fumblers who Barnes rescued? I really like him, too, but he’s a bit of a fumbler.

    I’ll also say that it’s time for Gurley to stop hurdling. He’s going to get hurt or cough up the ball and lose it in a big spot doing that stuff.

    #36259
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    I’ll also say that it’s time for Gurley to stop hurdling. He’s going to get hurt or cough up the ball and lose it in a big spot doing that stuff.

    I agree…he does not come down from his leaps with balance and power intact and so is a sitting duck for some bad stuff when he does that.

    #36328
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    Old Goat

    Just back from Widbey Island, WA where my oldest son is stationed. Haven’t seen my Granddaughters in over two years. First time all of my boys have been together in almost five. Was a wonderful trip. Just getting back to Houston today and really haven’t had the time to post, but here goes.

    I don’t usually revel in presents, but with a signed Dickerson Helmet, TGII jersey and tickets to the game Sunday, I have to say I was pretty overwhelmed. So, up at 6:00, I donned my jersey, rubbed the helmet for luck and hit the road with my boys.

    Now, my entire family, aside from son #3, is a fan of another team. Every TV in my house has a different game running, we have a family FF league, the whole nine yards. Needless to say, the conversation on the way to Seattle was pretty lively. “How many penalties that LT of yours gonna drop today?”.The first “Dad, you haven’t won here in ten years” I would hear that day started early.

    We get to Seattle and it’s 40 degrees and raining. I know a lot of ECers here laugh that off, but for this SoCali- Houston transplant, it was pretty darn cold. Got some breakfast and hit the field early, cause our seats were right at the visitor tunnel entrance and we wanted to get some pics and interaction.

    The stadium is a beauty. Very clean, the architecture flows and they market their product very well. The “#12” is everywhere- figuratively and literally. I stood out like a sore thumb in my TGII jersey. We find our spot and immediately notice “Our House”. That’s the moniker on this fan’s jersey and he was standing at the opposite end of the tunnel, spewing insults at every person sporting a Rams logo entering or leaving the tunnel. Man, woman, child, small animal, nothing was spared his wrath. Mostly, he was funny, but got out of hand when he yelled at a 10 yr old kid carrying water. I mean, really? “Our House” also had a stack of signs that read things like “Rams Players Play for a Paycheck” and “Fisher Ditching Your Season for Kroenke” and other such things that he waved constantly. I couldn’t figure out if this guy’s a Seattle fan or just has a genuine hatred for the Rams. Hekker comes up and starts signing autographs for the few of us there and “Our House” yells “Hey, awesome five game losing streak in November!”, “You haven’t won here in ten years!”. Hekker calmly turned around and shouted “We’re 1-0 against you this season!”. Even the Seattle fans around us went “Ohhhh”. Ya, our punter issuing shots early.

    Lots of prancing around and strutting by Seattle in pregame. Some a little childish. Sure, I”m biased, but a show-pony is a show-pony. Tavon was the first guy I noticed out of the gate. He is a ball of energy, constantly running around, dancing, pumping his guys up. Never sits still. Gave us a wave, but no sideline.

    Janoris was with Tru, and broke over and came up to the sidelines. Shook hands, gave autographs, looked up at “Our House” and smiled. Was a very classy guy, and it was a false assumption of mine to perceive him as a diva. He isn’t. My son says “Is that the Trumaine guy you’re always talking about? The guy nobody’s ever heard of”. Chuckles… Kendricks came up as well. Guy is built like a monster.

    Foles came in and out of the tunnel a few times during pregame. Jimmy Carter smiles and waves every time. Not a soul ever accompanied him.

    About fifteen minutes before the game, a women in a plastic coat is walking along the front row seats, blowing kisses and signing autographs. I ask my son “Who the heck is that” and a guy behind me goes “That’s Sherman’s mom”. Classless.

    Well, I won’t scrub the game too much, because it’s been hashed out over the past few days. I will tell you what stood out to me. Hayes was just a beast. There was much focus on Donald, but I would’t give all of that to his success. The man was just all over it. I’ve read a lot about our backfield, but I have to tell you, much of the success was on the line. Wilson missed open receivers all day long because he was running for his life. A little more time might have made for a very different day for Seattle. Their running game? What running game? I can’t remember when I’ve seen the Rams so dominant up front. The first turn over score for a TD, and you could feel the energy bleed from the stadium. Half time comes and my boy says “Hey, that Tru guy is all over the field.”

    Our O line. I have to tell you, it was so loud in Seattle. I heard 67000 screaming fans, and when we started drives where we did, it’s a place this squad usually comes to die. That day, they stood. I was damn proud of them. It was by no means a perfect blocking day, but they displayed discipline. I’ve been critical of Boo, but he and that line earned their money today. I’ll pile on what others have written because it’s true. Barnes was an absolute stud Sunday, and saved this teams bacon. Twice.

    Case: His poise from Pregame to how he handled the huddle was very telling to me. Not manic. You can tell he’s in command out there and has respect. You see it on the sideline. I was not a fan of bringing him back here, but I have to tell you, what I saw from him up close really made me ponder some things. His scrambling is improving. His drive to keep plays alive is there. Don’t want to make apologies for him, but the dropped balls today (Hello Kendricks and Cookie) killed some drives, and a taller receiver catches the ball in-bounds that Tavon had to go out to get. Just thinking about Case as our starting QB next year gives me the dumb-chills, but I have to tell you, he has the want, and he’s doing things that were not getting done in November.

    Gurley: My poor son. Has TGII in his fantasy. Whined all the first half. I get the feeling Fish sees no need to prove anything, and with the season winding down, put him in to close it in the second. I agree with that and I don’t even know if I would want to see him on the field next week. What I saw up close is he has burst and acceleration that is special. Mason certainly does not.

    Most of the #12 were pretty cool people, though I thought I was going to get lynched though after the multiple-fumble-reversal and by the end of the game the refs had to be escorted from the field. After the Russel fumble, many people began leaving and we waved them good-bye. After the game, the players just ran in the tunnel and threw some gloves, so we packed our stuff to go. My son looks and me and says “Damn pop, your right. That Tru guy is a badazz”.

    “Our House” stands on the corner of the deck, waving his signs as we exit the stadium.

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    Old Goat

    Just back from Widbey Island, WA where my oldest son is stationed.

    “Was at the game” post. Good one, must read.

    #36376
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    CoachO

    I think the people who are clamorimg for Fisher to hire an “offensive guru” should flash back to Spagnuolo’s desperation move and remember how the Josh McDaniel experiment panned out. A DEFENSE FIRST Head Coach turned the offense over to someone who was not ever going to fit his system to the personnel. IMO this is exactly where the Rams are now. To think they will ever be a dynamic “video game-like” offense is wishful thinking at best and actually kind of waste of time. This team just isn’t set up to have a balls to the wall wide open offense. No matter who they bring in the as the coordinator. And my point is, there are a lot of people who seem to think that anything less than that would be a failure.

    They have a backup at QB. They have backups playing both Guard positions. They have inexperienced Tackles. They have a rookie RB. A “gadget” player lining up as an every down WR.

    As fans, we tend to overlook how this can limit what they are able to do from a scheme and play calling standpoint. It comes across as a ultra-conservative “philosophy”, when in fact there’s only so much you ask them to do. It was very apparent when they were forced to a patchwork offensive line when Havenstein was out. Being forced to play guys like Donnal and Rhaney dramatically affected what they could do with a game plan and ultimately play calling.

    While Boras has “enjoyed” the continuity of having the same five guys on the OLINE for the past month, he has still been limited to a point with the personnel now at his disposal.

    I get frustrated when they sit on a lead, but I do understand the reasons why. Given the current personnel on offense (youth and number of backups), there is a guarded level of expectation of what they can handle.

    It’s one thing to go conservative and “protect a lead”. It’s another thing to risk making unnecessary mistakes which could put the lead in jeopardy. Until he has a proven cast on offense, the trust just isn’t there that they can consistently make the play when they have to. The struggles on 3rd down overall this season certainly enters into the thought process.

    As frustrating as it can be to watch him take the ball out of Keenum’s hands on a 3rd & 5 in the middle of the 3rd quarter, it’s ultimately better than having him force something which leads to a “pick six” (because we haven’t seen any of those the past few years) and the lead is squandered.

    Teams are more likely to bring pressure on 3rd down and we’ve seen more times than I can count where things aren’t picked up by young inexperienced linemen (Robinson, Wichmann). Pick sixes aren’t the only thing at risk. We’ve had our share of sack/fumbles.

    Again, I’m not saying i like it. But I understand it. Like it or not, with a weapon like Hekker, punting the ball can and has been an effective way to flip the field and win the field position game.

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    I think i agree with CoachO.

    The “personnel is limiting the game-plan” view
    seems the ‘most likely’ to me.

    I think if Fisher had A.Rogers and
    O’Dell Beckham and an experienced OLine,
    we’d see him open it up more.

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    #36382
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    I think if Fisher had A.Rogers and
    O’Dell Beckham and an experienced OLine,
    we’d see him open it up more.

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    Of course we would…we HAVE seen that, and it wasn’t even with those kinds of players.

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