well at this point, 11 days away

OK then I’ll expect an additional something. I expect durability.

Goff fumbles by year:
12 games, 10 fumbles
12 games, 9 fumbles
13 games, 4 fumbles

Wentz had 6 fumbles, and 3 fumbles.

I’m not seeing an important difference there.

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I’ve done a bit of reading and viewing, and I have come to a decision about the #1 pick.

I think they can’t go wrong no matter who it is.

I just think they get a somewhat different style of qb in each case. But it’s not as different as, say, choosing between Cam Newton and Tom Brady.

I have seen no convincing argument stating that either Goff or Wentz would be a BAD choice.

There’s also some things I don’t buy. I don’t buy for example that there’s a “Fisher style qb.” Nor is there such a thing as a qb who “better fits his offense.” To me a Fisher style qb is just a good qb. In terms of fitting his offense, either one can do it…they would just fit it differently. The offense will evolve to take best advantage of either qb going forward. It just will evolve somewhat differently depending on which one they pick. IMO it will work no matter which way it evolves.

If I am right and they are both worthy picks, what if one becomes more elite than the other, but they take the one that’s just good? Fine, no regrets on my part. I think when it comes to that both have qualities that might foreshadow being elite, but you don’t need elite. Just good. I base that on last year…they went 7-9 with a melted down qb and if they just got consistently decent qb play they would have won more. I think if you put either qb on last year’s team they would have been a playoff team.

To me a franchise qb is just a consistently good starter you’re not looking to replace, and I think either guy will fill the bill.

Which one do I prefer?

Right now I think…both.

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I am generally in agreement with every point you made.

I love both of these guys. I think that many of the assumptions of the national pundits and many fans too are a little off. For example, many believe that Wentz’ small school background will require a longer learning curve versus Goff’s Pac 12 background. I think this is less a factor when talking about a QB than other positions, but I also think that the pro-style offense that NDSU ran will more than make up for the jump in competition.

Also, while I marvel at some of the throws Goff made at Cal, and truly appreciate his timing and ability to throw guys open, I also wonder if those 50/50 balls he throws will work in the NFL. That said, I think he has shown toughness and a true skill at throwing the football, even if it is in a four wide, open passing attack.

I also agree with you that there is no “Fisher QB.” That is people trying hard to label Jeff Fisher. I think either fits with the type of offense that the Rams want to run, and both can be successful.

I think the Rams are due for a little QB luck. Yeah, there was Warner, but it has been a pretty dry period since. I think that with Gurley and a young but improving O-Line, our new QB is set up for success early if they can find another target for him in the draft.

Whoever they pick, you can be sure of one thing. No one on earth, including the Mel Kipers, the Daniel Jerimias, the Todd McShays, or any other entity will have invested more time and resources into this decision than the Rams. We are talking thousands of man-hours on this decision alone. This does not in any way guaranty that they make the right choice, but anyone who immediately claims that they blew it should at least concede that their opinion is based on far less information than the Rams had when they made the choice, including running both through the same workouts, asking them both the same questions in the meeting rooms, watching and dissecting every throw both of them have ever made in competition, and determining not which guy is the best passer or the best athlete, but which QB in the Rams’s system gives the Rams the best chance for a championship in the future.

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Even “most best” is a relative term, right?

I mean, Sean Payton may have Goff as the “most best” QB because what Goff does best is better suited to Payton’s offensive philosophy. Whereas Wentz could be “most best” in a Bruce Arians type offense, similar to Palmer and Big Ben.

To me, the question you have to ask if you are the Rams, and be honest with your evaluations, is this: “What were we not getting with Foles and Keenum that, if we had that trait or skill, would have led to more victories?” That question, more than which one of these guys is technically the more proficient passer of the football, is critical to the Rams’ future success. But I submit to you that most of the fans/columnists/pundits/draft experts, etc., are not asking that question. They are watching YouTube highlights and trying to determine who is the best thrower, and ergo the proper choice for the Rams. Throwing is very important, but not sole determining factor that should determine this pick.
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