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December 26, 2020 at 10:49 am #125976
ZooeyModeratorStrikes me as accurate.
Rams Wire
Kurt Warner perfectly explains the problem with the Rams’ offense and Jared Goff
Cameron DaSilva
Wed, December 23, 2020, 11:43 AM PST·2 min readAfter scoring 30 points in three of their first five games, the Rams have topped that mark only once in their last nine. The offense has been stuck in neutral lately, most recently scoring only 20 points against a terrible Jets team.
Jared Goff has only eight touchdown passes and eight interceptions in his last seven games after throwing 12 touchdown passes and only four interceptions in the first seven, proving to be a big reason for the Rams’ offensive struggles. He’s not alone, but any time an offense stalls the way L.A.’s has, the quarterback is going to be at the forefront of that problem.
Kurt Warner perfectly explained what’s gone wrong with the Rams offense during an appearance on NFL Network, pointing to their inability to succeed after defenses take away what they’re trying to do.
“I’m just concerned about this offense because they’re really good when they do what they want to do,” Warner said. “Again, that’s not a newsflash there – most teams are good when they do what they do best. When the Rams run the football and play-action, they’re really good, Jared Goff is really good in that type of scenario. When they fall behind and they have to drop-back throw, when they have to spread it out and he’s got to drop back and read the defense and pick a team apart, that is where this team and that is where Jared Goff struggles.”
Sean McVay said on Monday that he doesn’t have an answer to why the Rams have been so inconsistent, saying it’s something they obviously strive for. But according to Warner, their inability to succeed off-schedule and to adapt are the primary reasons for their troubles on offense.
“And so that’s why we see this tremendous inconsistency with this team,” he said. “Sometimes they come out and they look like world-beaters because they’re able to play within their scheme, and Jared Goff fits that scheme extremely well. But when teams take that away, now you get really concerned because you say to yourself, ‘Well, you can do that, any team can beat the Rams, as well.’
“I am concerned because you have to get more consistency away from your strength.”
Assuming the Rams make the playoffs, which could happen with a win on Sunday against Seattle, they’ll have to find new ways to succeed on offense. Teams have figured out how to slow down the Rams on that side of the ball, and McVay has yet to come up with a proper backup plan to counter what defenses do.
If the Rams can’t adapt, they’ll be bounced from the playoffs early on.
December 26, 2020 at 11:30 am #125978
znModeratorWhen they fall behind and they have to drop-back throw, when they have to spread it out and he’s got to drop back and read the defense and pick a team apart, that is where this team and that is where Jared Goff struggles.”
He hasn’t been watching the games. That’s the only explanation I have for a comment like that.
Examples. They couldn’t run against Tampa or Arizona and they won because Goff threw 51 times in one game and 47 in the other. His qb rating was 99.8 in one game and 104.9 in the other. His third down conversion percentage in both games combined was 57%, which across the whole season so far would be first in the league. Tampa is 7th on defense and Arizona while not great is 13th, which just is not that bad.
Like, did Kurt just watch the Jets game and then act like the only issue in that game was the qb? And then leap to conclusions about the entire season?
People are saying some seriously fact-lite things in qb discussion these days. Kurt’s comments quoted there included.
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December 26, 2020 at 12:45 pm #125982
InvaderRamModeratorLike, did Kurt just watch the Jets game and then act like the only issue in that game was the qb? And then leap to conclusions about the entire season?
i think when defenses are able to shut down the play action goff does tend to struggle.
but i also agree with you. i think this whole offense struggles. the oline. mcvay. it’s not just goff. the problem is then these get compounded by turnovers on top of that.
goff’s rating with play action. 102.0.
without play action. 87.9.
December 26, 2020 at 1:21 pm #125984znModeratori think when defenses are able to shut down the play action goff does tend to struggle.
but i also agree with you. i think this whole offense struggles. the oline. mcvay. it’s not just goff. the problem is then these get compounded by turnovers on top of that.
goff’s rating with play action. 102.0.
without play action. 87.9.
That is not what happened in the 2 games I listed. IMO the “without play action” stat gets tilted by the losing games where they are throwing to come from behind. The Tampa and Arizona games–my 2 recent examples–were not about play action.
Jets game is a perfect example of Goff struggling under bad circumstances but pushing through. Passing was their only chance to win in that game. OL struggled, the defense kept letting them back into the game and couldn’t shut them down as per reputation (top 3 defense v. 32nd ranked offense?) But Goff produced enough for a win in the 2nd half if the defense hadn’t just mailed it in.
The idea that they can’t just throw it without play action? IMO that’s hyperbole and belies things we’ve seen.
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December 26, 2020 at 5:50 pm #125991InvaderRamModeratorJets game is a perfect example of Goff struggling under bad circumstances but pushing through. Passing was their only chance to win in that game. OL struggled, the defense kept letting them back into the game and couldn’t shut them down as per reputation (top 3 defense v. 32nd ranked offense?) But Goff produced enough for a win in the 2nd half if the defense hadn’t just mailed it in.
i don’t think goff was very good last week against the jets. but i would also say that about the whole team.
December 26, 2020 at 6:39 pm #125993znModeratori don’t think goff was very good last week against the jets. but i would also say that about the whole team
He struggled in the first half, but then that was with an OL that was not doing its job. In the 2nd half he worked through it and played well overall, or they would never have been close in the first place. In the 2nd half, he was 10 of 14 (71.4%) for 8.36 per attempt, with 2 TDs, and a qb rating of 136.1.
People complain about the final 2 plays but I thought those were classic McVay bad calls. 😎
IMO, he played well enough to win in the 2nd half.
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