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November 16, 2015 at 9:41 am #34201znModerator
Rams need to consider struggling Nick Foles might not be the answer
Nick Wagoner
ST. LOUIS — Late in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s 37-13 loss to the Chicago Bears, St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher heard quarterback Nick Foles attempting to rally his teammates to prepare for a come-from-behind victory.
Apparently unshaken by his and the offense’s massive struggles after an opening-drive touchdown, Foles’ confidence didn’t waver.
“He thought with seven minutes left to go in the game that we were going to put two drives together and score,” Fisher said. “That’s how he is and that’s real. [There’s] some realness to it. It’s not just one of those things that you think how someone is supposed to act. I don’t think confidence is an issue with him.”
Perhaps, but if it’s not confidence, there are certainly plenty of other problems for Foles right now. He was at the forefront of yet another offensive offensive performance. He overthrew open receivers on multiple occasions, was caught staring down wideouts and then trying to force a throw into a small space, and occasionally bailed too soon on mostly clean pockets.
By the time it was all over, Foles was 17-of-36 for 200 yards with no touchdowns and an interception for a passer rating of 53.0. He has now thrown just one touchdown pass in his past four games and though he reached 200 passing yards against Chicago, it was only the second time he has done so this season — and he needed a garbage time catch-and-run to get there.
With the game out of hand late in the fourth quarter, Fisher finally, mercifully, pulled Foles in favor of backup Case Keenum. After the game, Fisher said he didn’t consider going to Keenum earlier. When Fisher was asked whether he would consider a change moving forward, he said no — the options this late in the season are limited — but he wasn’t exactly forceful about it.
“That’s my choice, but no,” Fisher said after his team fell to 4-5. “I’m just going to look at it. We have to play better around him. I’ll look and see how he played but he was prepared. He had great practice this week and he missed a couple throws and we had a couple of drops. We’ll look at it but at this point, no.”
It’s unlikely that further examination will show Fisher much to like. Even on that opening drive when the Rams moved 80 yards in seven plays in about three minutes, Foles missed an open Brian Quick deep down the middle. He also fired over open receiver Wes Welker’s head on a potential third-down conversion.
Those are just two examples of Foles’ misfires.
“I was just high on a few throws,” Foles said. “I just have got to be more accurate.”
A big part of accuracy is in the footwork. While it’s understandable that Foles would be quick to leave the pocket, given the state of his offensive line, he has developed a bad habit of running away even when it’s clean and then throwing off his back foot. One play before Todd Gurley’s 6-yard touchdown run, Foles didn’t see an open Lance Kendricks in the end zone until it was too late. By the time he did, he threw it while fading away. The ball sailed over Kendricks’ head.
“I feel comfortable dropping and reading,” Foles said of being in the pocket. “Sometimes things happen. Sometimes guys get in [the backfield], and that’s part of football. That’s stuff that we have just got to keep working on.”
Foles now ranks 29th in passer rating, 32nd in QBR and has a league-low 1,678 passing yards among players with at least the same number of starts. While the Rams don’t need Foles to be Kurt Warner incarnate, they do need him to land somewhere in the vicinity of average.
When Foles has a passer rating of 80 or better, the Rams are 4-0. When he’s below that number, they’re 0-5. In those five losses, his best passer rating was 76.3. Making matters worse, Foles doesn’t seem to be improving as the early season excuses of “new offense, new quarterback, new coordinator” are melting into the later weeks.
With Gurley already emerging as the focal point of the offense, the Rams need a quarterback capable of not turning the ball over and taking advantage when receivers run open. The latter hasn’t happened much this year: Foles was 0-of-12 on passes thrown 10-plus yards downfield Sunday. According to ESPN Stats & Information research, that’s the most attempts on such passes without a completion in the past 10 seasons.
The Rams signed Foles to a short-term contract extension in training camp. They are likely committed to him at least through next season but that doesn’t mean it’s too early to start considering a change in both the short and long term.
For what it’s worth, Foles seemingly has the support of the locker room.
“We ain’t turning our back on nobody on this team,” receiver Tavon Austin said. “I don’t care what happened. You don’t turn your back on nobody. You’re in a tough situation. You have to stick through it, you have to fight through it, your teammates have to bring each other up and that’s how you have to do it.”
Big picture, rookie Sean Mannion is a ways away from being ready to contribute and Keenum probably isn’t Mr. Right. But he could be Mr. Right Now. Perhaps it’s time to see why Foles wasn’t the only quarterback the Rams traded for in the offseason.
The Rams sure could use something, anything to lift the offense before it’s too late, even if that means providing a temporary spark, the way Austin Davis did last season in his first three starts while filling in for Shaun Hill.
“We’re not winning, so I’ve got to keep working to get better, working to make sure offensively we get rolling,” Foles said. “I feel good. Rhythm, I feel good dropping back, throwing, reading defenses, I feel good about it. But I have got to continue to play better. Part of being a quarterback is making the guys around you play better, I understand. We, as an offense, just have to keep improving.”
That improvement has to start with the quarterback position, whether it’s Foles or someone else.
November 16, 2015 at 9:42 am #34203znModeratorBench Foles? Sure, But That Won’t Solve the Problem
Bernie Miklasz
http://www.101sports.com/2015/11/15/bench-foles-sure-but-that-wont-solve-the-problem/
Bench Nick Foles?
Sure. He’s overwhelmed, overmatched, and seemingly gets worse by the throw.
A slight exaggeration, perhaps. But with rare exception, Foles’ performance has deteriorated since he threw three touchdown passes and sculpted a 126.9 passer rating in the Rams’ Oct. 4 upset win at Arizona.
Foles has mostly struggled over his last five games, completing 51.7 percent of his passes with two touchdowns and five interceptions and a 60.2 passer rating.
Foles Failure is certainly a primary factor in the Rams’ 2-3 showing after leaving Arizona with a potential season-changing win.
The most glaring failure is on third down. Over the last five games, Foles has completed 40 percent of this third-down throws with one touchdown, five interceptions and a passer rating of 34.2.
(That’s right: I said 34.2.)
Foles wasn’t the only reason for the Rams’ abhorrent 37-13 loss to the Chicago Bears on Sunday. Left offensive tackle Greg Robinson presented another Jason Smith tribute, getting flagged so many times that the team equipment staff should have put him in a yellow jersey. And as much as I have praised and admired the Rams’ defense this season, the gang was deconstructed by Bears quarterback Jay Cutler, running back Jeremy Langford and tight end Zach Miller.
The Bears hit the Rams defense for more big plays — more home runs if you will — than the Cubs in their NL division conquest of the St. Louis Cardinals. It was just a wreck of a game, with the disappointing Rams drooping to 4-5 on the season.
But Foles was a significant part of the collapse. He completed fewer than 50 percent of his passes (17 for 36), got picked for an interception, sailed passes over (or under) open receivers, and was generally exasperated while tabulating a gruesome 53.0 passer rating.
And as the caretaker of the Rams’ offense, Foles fizzled after the Rams’ authoritative opening drive that ambushed the Bears for a 7-0 lead. On that first march Foles had two completions for 60 yards to set up Todd Gurley’s touchdown run, but passed for only 140 yards the rest of the game.
After that first strike, the Rams and Foles went into a deep funk over their next eight possessions. The numbers are almost unbelievable: 28 offensive snaps, 36 total net yards, two first downs, 40 yards lost in penalties, six punts, and a lost fumble.
Foles was put in some unforgiving third-down situations because of the penalties and the missteps on first and second downs, but he couldn’t pull the Rams out of their inertia.
The Rams offense was so depressing after the first series, I wouldn’t have objected to a decision to yank Foles and go with the No. 2 quarterback Case Keenum. (I can’t believe what I just typed. More on that later.) The Rams required a shakeup, and the somewhat frantic Keenum can at least run around a little, and maybe get a defense scrambling out of position.
Of course Rams coach Jeff Fisher would have none of that.
When asked if he considered making a change, Fisher said: “No. That’s my choice, but no. I’m just going to look at it. We have to play better around him (Foles). I’ll look and see how he played, but he was prepared. He had a great practice this week and he missed a couple of throws and we had a couple of drops. We’ll look at it, but at this point, no.”
The door was left open a bit.
But I’d be surprised if he benched Foles.
Coach Fisher enthusiastically endorsed the trade that sent Sam Bradford and Sam’s left knee to Philadelphia for Foles and the Eagles’ fourth-round draft pick in 2015 and their second-round choice in 2016. And before Foles even played a regular-season game, the Rams gave him a contract extension that could keep him in place through 2017. The deal included $14 million guaranteed.
And Keenum’s own record as an NFL starter offers little stimulation. He has a 2-8 record, 11 touchdowns, eight INTs, three lost fumbles, a 55 percent completion rate and 76.8 passer rating. But a coach of a catatonic offense shouldn’t rule out making a switch for shock-therapy purposes. Keenum was fantastic in his first two NFL starts with Houston, with a passer rating of 118.0 back in 2013. But in his last eight starts, Keenum threw seven TDs and eight picks and had a passer rating of 67.8.
OK, but what if Foles keeps slumping? After leading the Rams to an exciting season-opening win over Seattle, Foles has lost confidence. He isn’t as decisive in his throws. He went into the game having absorbed more pass-rush hits among NFL quarterbacks. Too many dropped passes bring him down even more. The O-line penalties are a joke. Foles is being supervised by a first-year offensive coordinator, Frank Cignetti. So many moving parts. So many malfunctioning parts. There’s little creativity or cohesion.
It’s gotten ugly, and you wonder if it’s possible for Foles to overcome such quarterback-hostile conditions. Other than Gurley and wide receiver Tavon Austin, there’s no electricity in this offense. It starts with yawn-inducing coaching, a shaky offensive line, and (mostly) undependable targets. The Rams were so panicked to add a receiver, they’re trying to revive Wes Welker’s career.
That said, Foles doesn’t receive immunity from criticism. He has to make more impactful plays. There’s too much dinky stuff; Foles has averaged only 5.95 yards per passing attempt over his last five games. When a quarterback goes bad, it’s a sad thing to watch.
Fisher doesn’t see what we see.
“He’s a confident, competitive person,” Fisher said. “He thought, with seven minutes left to go in the game, we were going to put two drives together and score. That’s how he is and it’s real. It’s got some realness to it. It’s not one of those things that you think how someone is supposed to act. I don’t think confidence is an issue with him.”
As for Foles …
“Throughout my career,” he said, “games like this, situations like this, I look back at these moments like, ‘Hey, that was that moment that built character in me. That made me the person I am, that made me the teammate I am.’ Even with teams that have been on, there’s always that moment early on that you look at that moment like, ‘Hey, without that moment, we wouldn’t be the great team we are today.’ So, that’s how you look at moments like this is, ‘Hey, it’s just a character building moment.’ That’s all it is. Now, it’s how you handle these situations from here on if your character’s going to build or if you’ll diminish.”
The Rams have been engaged in sustained, seemingly endless “character building” since Fisher took charge of the program in 2012. But we’re watching the same scenes over and over again. Too many idiotic, undisciplined penalties. Too many draft choices that apparently require seven or eight seasons of developmental time. Drafting an offensive tackle No. 2 overall (Robinson) who is often a liability. And just a seeping, creeping dullness that the Rams can’t break.
The unpleasant truth?
The Rams offense isn’t a priority.
We know that for a couple of reasons, including Cignetti’s in-house promotion to coordinator.
When Fisher needed a new coordinator for his defense, he patched up his damaged relationship with Gregg Williams and rehired Williams before 2014. The Rams defense was off form and easily conquered on Sunday, but it’s still the strength of the team. And hiring Williams — one of the NFL’s best defensive coordinators over the last 15+ years — was attributable to Fisher’s desire for a great defense. It was a smart hire.
But when Brian Schottenheimer left as STL’s offensive coordinator last offseason to take the same post at the college level with Georgia, Fisher didn’t conduct an ambitious national search to recruit a top OC or an emerging creative mind. Fisher’s search began and ended several yards from his own office at Rams Park, when he knocked on the door of his quarterbacks coach and gave Cignetti the OC gig.
That tells us a lot about Fisher’s view of offense.
The other revealing part is Fisher’s lengthy record that isn’t open to interpretation.
The facts are clear.
Fisher’s Tennessee Titans last won a playoff game in 2003. In his last 11 seasons as a head coach (including 2015) his team’s best NFL ranking in most offensive points scored was No. 12, back in 2008. That was also the last time the Titans made the playoffs under Fisher; his offense has finished no better than No. 16 since then. In his first three seasons in St. Louis, the Fisher offense has ranked 28th, 22nd and 23rd. This year, through the first eight games, the Rams were ranked 30th in offensive points scored. Sunday’s 13-point output won’t move them up on the list.
As I wrote earlier, I’d welcome a change at quarterback if Foles continues riding on a downbound train. But we should remember two important things: (1) the alternative isn’t necessarily an upgrade; and (2) without question this is Jeff Fisher’s offense. We can make Foles the fall guy, but that doesn’t address the real problem. Jeff Fisher’s offense has been dragging for years. Pick a quarterback; any will do. That quarterback will be working for the same coach, functioning under the same philosophy, and operating the same system. That’s the reality.
November 16, 2015 at 11:08 am #34208PA RamParticipantIt will solve ONE problem.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 16, 2015 at 11:11 am #34209znModeratorNovember 16, 2015 at 2:03 pm #34217lyserParticipantI dunno – maybe Kase Keenumb needs a looksee
November 17, 2015 at 7:37 am #34272lyserParticipantI dunno – maybe Kase Keenumb needs a looksee
Fisher got my memo
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