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  • #45398
    Avatar photowv
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    He makes the lesser-of-two-evils argument.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/02/norman-solomon-vs-tom-hayden-sanders-vs-clinton

    In the article Norman Solomon makes a point about the VP decision:

    …but most crucially, I think, first are the next seven days. A lot of what is going to be possible at the convention will hinge on what kind of momentum the Bernie campaign has going into it. And whether Bernie can carry California on June 7th is tremendously important.

    And that’s where, again, I’m going to differ with Tom in that while he claimed to be descriptive of the math and the politics in this campaign, it’s actually a prescriptive position that he’s taking. He’s gotten behind Hillary Clinton even before the New York primary, and what we’ve got to do I think is carry California with as big as possible a margin for Bernie Sanders, so that the extremely hawkish politics of Hillary Clinton and her demonstrated affinity for Wall Street, for instance, her indifference to issues of poverty and universal health care in reality in terms of policies, and so many other things — that we can challenge that, not only in terms of platform, but, lest we forget, there’s this position called vice president of the United States, and it’s an open question about whether if Hillary Clinton is the nominee she’s going to select somebody from the traditional corporate wing of the Democratic Party hierarchy or whether we can push her, for whatever reasons she might come to fathom, to have a more progressive person on the ticket.

    Q: So the vice presidential pick, the party platform which gets determined at the Democratic National Convention — these are two things the Sanders campaign can influence without actually winning the nomination. What else?… see link
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    #45408
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    I saw something yesterday – I took as a trial balloon – that Warren is close to being named.

    I’d hate to lose her out of the senate.

    #45416
    Mackeyser
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    I think so too and it would be a shame.

    It would make Warren an apologist for Clinton’s neoliberal economics and we’d lose a very progressive Senator,one of the few willing to forcefully hold Wall Street to account.

    Who else will grill regulators and Wall Street CEOs on obvious corruption and weak tea oversight both internal and external?

    Warrens ONLY role will be to deliver enough Sanders voters to win the election, then they’ll send Warren off to the Hinterlands and make her so inconsequential that Joe Biden will look like he did something…

    It’ll be a vacation at least… From her principles if not from the hard work of the people in the Senate.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #45417
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    Well, I’d be tempted to vote for Clinton if she made Warren the VP.

    I dunno if i would do it, but I’d be tempted.

    Coz, ya know, she could be assassinated.

    …did i say that out loud?

    O dear.

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    #45425
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Well, I’d be tempted to vote for Clinton if she made Warren the VP.

    I dunno if i would do it, but I’d be tempted.

    Coz, ya know, she could be assassinated.

    …did i say that out loud?

    O dear.

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    I don’t want Warren relegated to the basement of the White House. I prefer her to be out front.

    And it is hard to imagine Hillary picking a VP who wouldn’t be preferable as P.

    #45590
    Mackeyser
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    She’ll probably pick one of the young Castro brothers, more likely Joaquin as he went to Stanford then Harvard Law and is a Congressman from Texas.

    His brother went to Stanford Law and is the current Secretary of HUD in the Obama Admin.

    Joaquin is more of a stump politician, tho both do it. Both are DLC Dems that will deliver the Dreamer vote.

    Nothing progressive about them, really. Perfect Hillary pick.

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