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  • #112285
    wv
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    Another man shamelessly in love with zooey-and-wv’s fiance.

    Addressing the Usual Leftist Electoral Issue — To support the Corporate-Dem, or Not to support the Corporate-Dem…That is the question. Obviously, there’s two schools of thot, or so.

    #112298
    wv
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    I hadnt seen this one before. This is classic. A centrist and a leftist, try to talk politics. This is how it almost always goes.

    #112320
    Mackeyser
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    I couldn’t get through all of that… fucking Bill Maher…

    As someone who’s VERY loud on twitter pushing the #NeverBiden and #BernieOrBust, I make it clear to every shitlib who makes the mistake of coming at me what’s up.

    And it’s all your guys’ fault asking me if my principles matched my politics all those years ago…

    Now I’m nearly a leftist… LOL

    but for real, tho… I won’t vote for any Dem again. Period. Not even AOC if she runs in 2024.

    That party needs to die in a fucking fire and the ONLY way that happens is if we stop acquiescing to this “lesser of two evils” nonsense… which it is because as we all know, it’s more accurate to say “the different of two evils”.

    If anything, Trump’s incompetence has led him to do LESS harmful shit than Obama did… no new wars and very few legislative achievements unlike Clinton who woulda worked with McConnell to give the Republicans not only everything they wanted, but cover because it happened under a Dem President.

    Nah, progressives and the left need a third party that actually represents what we want. Every time we vote for ANY Dem, we sabotage our own efforts and I won’t do it anymore.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #112325
    wv
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    I couldn’t get through all of that… fucking Bill Maher…

    As someone who’s VERY loud on twitter pushing the #NeverBiden and #BernieOrBust, I make it clear to every shitlib who makes the mistake of coming at me what’s up.

    And it’s all your guys’ fault asking me if my principles matched my politics all those years ago…

    Now I’m nearly a leftist… LOL

    but for real, tho… I won’t vote for any Dem again. Period. Not even AOC if she runs in 2024.

    That party needs to die in a fucking fire and the ONLY way that happens is if we stop acquiescing to this “lesser of two evils” nonsense… which it is because as we all know, it’s more accurate to say “the different of two evils”.

    If anything, Trump’s incompetence has led him to do LESS harmful shit than Obama did… no new wars and very few legislative achievements unlike Clinton who woulda worked with McConnell to give the Republicans not only everything they wanted, but cover because it happened under a Dem President.

    Nah, progressives and the left need a third party that actually represents what we want. Every time we vote for ANY Dem, we sabotage our own efforts and I won’t do it anymore.

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    Well…damn. I’ve missed YOU, comrad.

    I’m prettymuch in the same place as you, Mack, though, I am not exactly ‘at peace’ with where I’m at. I’m not ‘serene’ about it. I got here by thinking to myself…what do you do when every choice is a bad one, when every road leads to Hell? 🙂 My own answer to that was ‘vote yer conscience.’

    But i totally respect any leftists decision to vote for Hillary/Biden/Gore/Edwards/Clinton/Whoever

    Have you ever heard of Scott Nearing, btw? I’m reading a good book by him called Making Of A Radical

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    #112324
    wv
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    I couldn’t get through all of that… fucking Bill Maher…

    As someone who’s VERY loud on twitter pushing the #NeverBiden and #BernieOrBust, I make it clear to every shitlib who makes the mistake of coming at me what’s up.

    And it’s all your guys’ fault asking me if my principles matched my politics all those years ago…

    Now I’m nearly a leftist… LOL

    but for real, tho… I won’t vote for any Dem again. Period. Not even AOC if she runs in 2024.

    That party needs to die in a fucking fire and the ONLY way that happens is if we stop acquiescing to this “lesser of two evils” nonsense… which it is because as we all know, it’s more accurate to say “the different of two evils”.

    If anything, Trump’s incompetence has led him to do LESS harmful shit than Obama did… no new wars and very few legislative achievements unlike Clinton who woulda worked with McConnell to give the Republicans not only everything they wanted, but cover because it happened under a Dem President.

    Nah, progressives and the left need a third party that actually represents what we want. Every time we vote for ANY Dem, we sabotage our own efforts and I won’t do it anymore.

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    Well…damn. I’ve missed YOU, comrad.

    I’m prettymuch in the same place as you, Mack, though, I am not exactly ‘at peace’ with where I’m at. I’m not ‘serene’ about it. I got here by thinking to myself…what do you do when every choice is a bad one, when every road leads to Hell? 🙂 My own answer to that was ‘vote yer conscience.’

    But i totally respect any leftists decision to vote for Hillary/Biden/Gore/Edwards/Clinton/Whoever

    Have you ever heard of Scott Nearing, btw? I’m reading a good book by him called Making Of A Radical

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    Good book, I’m reading:https://www.amazon.com/Making-Radical-Political-Autobiography-Good-ebook/dp/B005VDX0B2
    Scott Nearing

    #112401
    wv
    Participant

    #112408
    joemad
    Participant

    Robert Reich

    Friends,Joe Biden is a perfect mouthpiece for wherever and whatever the conventional political wisdom is in the…

    Posted by Robert Reich on Monday, March 16, 2020

    Friends,

    Joe Biden is a perfect mouthpiece for wherever and whatever the conventional political wisdom is in the Democratic Party at any given time.

    Years ago, when Biden voted for the Iraq war, for trade deals, and for debt collection, they reflected the conventional Democratic wisdom. But now that conventional Democratic wisdom has shifted leftward – due largely to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren — Biden has shifted, too.

    He has shifted his position on free public college – from favoring tuition-free education only at two-year community colleges to supporting it at four-year public universities and colleges as well, for every student whose annual family income doesn’t exceed $125,000. (This was Bernie’s position several years ago.)

    Biden also decided to support Elizabeth Warren’s proposal for making bankruptcy far less onerous for middle-class Americans, including making it available for former students facing onerous student-debt burdens and for people facing major medical debts. This marked a major change from the bankruptcy legislation Biden helped turn into law in 2005.

    He has shifted slightly on Medicare for All — now calling for a public option (which had been on the Left of the Obama-era conventional wisdom). He hasn’t yet called for a Green New Deal, but I could imagine him doing so if he gets the nomination and if progressives pull the conventional Democratic wisdom to the Left.

    If he becomes president, Biden will not lead any progressive charge. He won’t be a Lyndon Johnson or an FDR or Teddy Roosevelt. But to the extent progressives lead the charge and are successful in changing conventional Democratic wisdom, Biden will reliably follow.

    RR

    #112431
    wv
    Participant

    Hedges on the shitshow.

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