time for a Mayfield thread

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Kurt Warner explain why Baker Mayfield’s career was just beginning as Rams beat Raiders on TNF game

 

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Two big-time throws, no turnover-worthy plays, a miraculous game-winning drive and a pretty passing chart

Game 1 of Baker Mayfield with the Rams https://t.co/tYgkhb1vdF

— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) December 11, 2022

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Baker Mayfield only got in 20 plays of practice before leading the Rams to a miraculous comeback win over the Raiders https://t.co/9v1Q8HL11g

— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 12, 2022

[joemad]

i really don’t remember much of Baker Mayfield in the NFL… never really followed him…

i do remember the game when he took the Rams down to the wire when Goff and the Rams faced the Browns in Cleveland a few seasons back… .Baker didn’t look bad at all.

 

 

 

 

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Blaine Grisak@bgrisakDTR

It should be known at this point that the Rams’ resources are limited. Using $6.5M-$10M on a backup QB instead of a guard seems like a bad use of resources…and it is an either/or situation. When you have a limited number of resources, you must get it right.

[Zooey]

zn wrote:

Blaine Grisak@bgrisakDTR

It should be known at this point that the Rams’ resources are limited. Using $6.5M-$10M on a backup QB instead of a guard seems like a bad use of resources…and it is an either/or situation. When you have a limited number of resources, you must get it right.

Yeah. If Stafford is returning, Baker is gone.

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Baker Mayfield had 3 of the 20 most improbable completions in the NFL in Week 14

Somehow, Van's TD was more improbable than Benny Sko mossing a dude https://t.co/JYeJ3F6QQc

— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) December 13, 2022

[Zooey]

“I’m just looking to be the best version of me possible.”

~ Baker Mayfield

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On Baker Mayfield's 1st 6 drives, he was 7/15 for 89 yards w/a -25.9% CPOE. Last 2 drives, 15/20 for 141 yards, TD and a +12.3% CPOE (per NextGen).

Which is why Rams coaching staff is seeking out what the mean with Mayfield looks like, not the outliers: https://t.co/L63ZfadvvQ

— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) December 14, 2022

[InvaderRam]

he’s a stopgap. i don’t understand why anyone would think he’s a long term solution.

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[wv]

InvaderRam wrote:

he’s a stopgap. i don’t understand why anyone would think he’s a long term solution.

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Yeah, Big-Media loves him.  Absolutely loves him.  He’s Elvis.

Gets the big ratings, for some reason.

 

He’s obviously got some real football-talent.   And if you give him protection and a running game, like most talented-QBs, he will win, and he’ll mix in some big-time passes.    And in some ways he’s a fun locker-room guy.  In some ways.  Enthusiastic, childlike, etc.

 

But he has not proved to be an  unselfish, good, Leader, over time.  And if you listen close to his interviews, you can see the hints of selfishness.  He said something about ‘showcasing his talent’ recently.   Thats not something i want my QB to think about.  Its not a team-first mentality.

 

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[Zooey]

wv wrote:

But he has not proved to be an  unselfish, good, Leader, over time.  And if you listen close to his interviews, you can see the hints of selfishness.  He said something about ‘showcasing his talent’ recently.   Thats not something i want my QB to think about.  Its not a team-first mentality.

There is reason to be wary. He’s more talented than most QBs, but he’s not proven he can do the homework, or lead a team. I think it was zn who compared him to Jeff George. Too selfish, and too reliant on raw talent and bravado.

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InvaderRam wrote:

he’s a stopgap. i don’t understand why anyone would think he’s a long term solution.

Zooey wrote:

wv wrote:

But he has not proved to be an unselfish, good, Leader, over time. And if you listen close to his interviews, you can see the hints of selfishness. He said something about ‘showcasing his talent’ recently. Thats not something i want my QB to think about. Its not a team-first mentality.

There is reason to be wary. He’s more talented than most QBs, but he’s not proven he can do the homework, or lead a team. I think it was zn who compared him to Jeff George. Too selfish, and too reliant on raw talent and bravado.

Yeah I agree with all that plus when he’s interviewed you can just see the entitled boy syndrome under the surface, even though he’s making an effort to come across well.

[Billy_T]

I really like the way Mayfield has handled himself with the Rams — so far. But as others have mentioned, he doesn’t have a history of maintaining that. The Rams, I’m guessing, need the “team-first” mentality more than most, or they won’t win consistently. It may be among the most important aspects of their team-building model, and gives them a competitive edge when their overall roster talent would suggest they can’t.

As in, they have a core of very talented athletes, but they’ve elected to surround that core with what amounts to journey-men types. Cap issues and lack of draft capital being the main culprits, but it may also be a “choice” in many cases. The team-first concept may or may not lift those (non-core) guys well above that type, but without it they’re JAGs. For example, I don’t think Hoecht gets a chance to play, much less play so well, with another team. The O-line has some guys like that too.

So, in one sense, Mayfield really fits that model. Cuz he’s a pretty tough QB, like Stafford, and, as WV mentions, can be a good locker room guy. “One of the dudes,” kinda QB. But that doesn’t seem to last long, and then he starts to freelance in public, etc.

Regardless, the Rams are going to need to find a couple of solid backups, cuz the trend in the NFL is for more injuries, at more positions, at a more severe level, so they just can’t count on Stafford playing most games. That’s not to mention his age, or his history of being battered. That’s just a given for every team now. Where is the Ram’s Brock Purdy, for instance?

[Billy_T]

Oh, and about Jeff George. My memory of him is that he had elite arm talent. Once in a generation-like. But he was a head case, consistently sabotaging his own talent and team. Ended up being locker-room cancer. IMO, Mayfield isn’t on his level as a passer — few QBs were/are — and isn’t as self-destructive.

But he has caused problems in the past. Could it be a matter of Mayfield just maturing? George never seemed to. He’s 27 now. Ramsey, remember, was supposed to be locker-room trouble too. With the Rams, he’s one of those “team-first” core guys, like Donald and Kupp.

The unicorns, of course, are the guys at the elite level as far as talent, athleticism, and team-first all the way. Rams have, arguably, four or five of them. IMO, Donald, Wagner, Ramsey, and Kupp are locks. Stafford is perhaps there too. Wagner may not be elite athletically any longer, but I think he makes up for that as a field general, mentor, and diehard player, etc. I’m guessing Donald retires before he senses he’s lost his elite athleticism.

It will be very interesting to see what the Rams do this offseason to get back into the race.

[JackPMiller]

I know it will be rally tough for him to do it, but if he can shockingly play well, and so how the Rams can beat the Chargers and Seahawks, I feel we won’t have the finances to sign him. I can see the Raiders and/Colts trying to sign him to a big money deal. With Raiders, I predict he’ll be in Washington next year, playing for the Commanders.

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