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May 23, 2020 at 11:57 am #115239InvaderRamModerator
i really like what they’re doing on defense.
secondary
jalen ramsey. sounds like he’s going through a renaissance. maybe it’s all just a part of maturing into an adult? but he seems to be saying the right things. arrogance has seemed to morph into wisdom and self reflection? am i reading too much into it? it also sounds like brandon is determined to get the most out of this guy. sounds like they’re going to move him around pretty much everywhere. even safety. i think this is a good move. i think it will force offenses to account for where he is at all times. sounds like staley is challenging him. and i’m guessing he steps up.but even as a whole this unit is so dynamic. jj, rapp, burgess. they all seem to be interchangeable. all able to play multiple roles. burgess is an unknown at this point. but i just trust the rams when they draft a defensive back.
then you got troy hill, darious williams, and david long. i really like david long. only 21 years old last year. did get some playing time. but very twitchy. very twitchy athlete. honestly. about as twitchy an athlete as there is in the nfl. but even if he doesn’t come good, hill and williams showed they’re capable of filling in at the other cornerback spot.
the secondary should be a strength this year.
linebackers
ok. a big fat question mark right? yeah. but there is a lot of potential there.on the inside i’m betting that troy reeder becomes a solid player. solid athlete. started 8 games last year. i don’t think he has to be spectacular. he just needs to do his job, and he should be fine. i think his competition will be kiser. he’s already going into his third year, and he hasn’t done much of anything. i’m not overly positive at this point about him. i don’t know who will man the other inside linebacker position. maybe kenny young? i hold out hope for johnston or rozeboom although i realize it’s a long shot. i’m not sure it will be the biggest deal. because i’m guessing we see a lot of the safeties with one of the inside backers coming out. not all the time. but a lot of the time.
outside linebacker is also a big fat ??? i mean you got ebukam, floyd, ogbo, polite. then you add lewis. williams is listed as a defensive end. but i would think that he’d be a 3-4 olb. it’s a big mess right now. lots to sort through. is it too much to expect lewis and williams to just grab the starting spots right off the bat? they certainly have insane upside.
defensive line
aaron donald… ok. moving on. michael brockers is back, and i think he’s solid enough. i like the addition of robinson. i don’t think he’ll be spectacular. but he should be solid. they have depth too with joseph-day and gaines. but really. donald is the best player in the nfl. maybe outside of mahomes. maybe. so this is a very good unit.and i gotta say again. i’m really intrigued by hoecht. just an unreal athlete. a beast. my only question is does he have the mentality to dominate in the nfl? if he does, could i see him as a richard seymour type player? if he has the mentality yeah. cuz his athleticism is off the charts. if he does, then this unit goes from very good to great.
so really in summary. 2 out of the 3 units should be there. and the one question mark. the linebacker corps. does have a high ceiling in my opinion.
lastly would be brandon staley. promising but unproven. he has a good pedigree. players are already saying positive things about him. correct me if i’m wrong but he plans on creating some confusion for opposing offenses. less direct than wade. more dynamic. i like that. seems like he relies more on creativity and smarts. rather than just trying to beat you physically.
i honestly haven’t felt this encouraged about the defense since they hired sonofbum. really. i’m that excited.
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May 23, 2020 at 1:26 pm #115242AgamemnonParticipantMay 23, 2020 at 2:02 pm #115243InvaderRamModeratorDo you mean Hoecht or Williams or both?
both. they are both physical specimens.
williams at outside linebacker.
hoecht i see as a 3-4 end.
ultimately. not now. i don’t expect hoecht to be a starter in year one. but eventually i’d like to see him take over brockers’ starting spot.
i salivate at the thought of donald and hoecht playing defensive end and williams and lewis as edge defenders. that’s some serious athleticism there.
it remains to be seen if lewis, williams, and hoecht can develop into what i think they could become. but that’s what i envision in the future.
May 23, 2020 at 2:04 pm #115244InvaderRamModeratori really think both those guys get drafted if there wasn’t the pandemic and teams could travel to pro days. get to see these guys in person. they are both legitimate freak athletes.
June 6, 2020 at 1:32 pm #115960znModeratorRams hope new defensive boss Brandon Staley is a quick fixer
It’s not a souffle or a roast duck. It’s football. The prep time is overrated.
When Brandon Staley was coaching at John Carroll, there was no spring practice. At Hutchinson Junior College at Kansas, players constantly rushed through the turnstile, none available for more than two years.
“When I got hired by the Bears, Khalil Mack showed up seven days before the first regular-season game,” Staley said. “And that was one of his best games. People wonder about it, but the competition starts when everything goes live.”
Stanley is the 37-year-old defensive coordinator of the Rams. He was Mack’s position coach in Chicago. When he followed Vic Fangio and Ed Donatell to Denver, Von Miller was in his linebackers’ room.
“I told him he could coach 20 years and not have two guys like that,” Donatell said.
Instead, Staley now works with Aaron Donald, who could be roused from a midnight snooze and still sack quarterbacks.
Donald says he wants to see Staley’s defensive alignments “out there on the grass,” not just on teleconferences. But with no live OTAs or mini-camps and maybe a truncated summer session, Staley will be operating under a running clock and a tight lens. They say trust is built slowly. Not here.
“The first thing he does with those guys is establish his knowledge,” said Donatell, who became Denver’s defensive coordinator when Fangio became the head man. “Then he connects with people. The great players are looking for somebody with credibility and it doesn’t matter who it is. That won’t be a problem for Brandon.
“He’s prepared. When he interviewed with us in Chicago, he showed he’d been following Vic not just for a couple of years but for 10. He can frame problems quickly, while everything is going on, and address them. I know (Rams’ coach) Sean McVay is unique, but Brandon will be a good match.”
“Aaron would play well with my wife Amy coaching him,” said Staley, who added that, as a schoolteacher, she often coaches him. When she heard him use the sloppy expression “aiiight” in too many remote conversations, she called him out.
Like McVay, Staley was a high school quarterback, in Perry, Ohio. He also quarterbacked at Dayton, not far from McVay’s Miami of Ohio.
Unlike McVay, Staley took the scenic route to the NFL. He was an assistant at Northern Illinois at 24, went to St. Thomas (MN) at 27, was at Hutchinson at 28, was a Tennessee graduate assistant at 30.
Then Staley ducked out of prime time and spent three of the next four years at John Carroll, with a pit stop at James Madison. He was ready to join his John Carroll coach, Tom Arth, at Tennessee-Chattanooga when the Bears called.
“Other than Jon Gruden, who played quarterback here, Brandon was the best at putting stuff on the greaseboard,” said ex-Dayton coach Mike Kelly, “although it was a chalkboard back then.”
Joe Novak, the Northern Illinois coach, made Staley a defensive backfield coach for the same reason, because Staley could see all the pieces moving.
“When a young kid wants to get into coaching,” Novak said. “I always ask them, ‘Can you live without it?’ Because if he can, he probably should. I don’t think Brandon can live without it, and he shouldn’t.”
“I’ve been able to coach all 22 positions,” Staley said. “But I just grew up fascinated with all of it. I was drinking coffee and reading the paper every morning in the first grade. What I’m going to show the players is that I’m out there competing as much as they are.”
Hidden in that curriculum vitae is a scrimmage against Hodgkin’s lymphoma when Staley was 24. He coached for NIU through it all. His dad Bruce, who was his high school coach, is also a cancer survivor. His mom Linda was not. She died three years before Brandon got sick.
Staley might be the new kid, but the block has changed. Only four of the 11 defensive Rams who started in the Super Bowl in 2019 are still here. You might ask what Wade Phillips did to lose his job, since the Rams were fourth in sacks and seventh in rush defense (per carry). But the bad games were really bad (Tampa Bay, Dallas, Baltimore, San Francisco) and the third down and red zone stats were below the NFL average.McVay surely remembered a back-alley night in Chicago, 2018, when the Bears picked Jared Goff four times and dealt him a 19.1 passer rating in a 15-6 win. Staley’s resume was built by association. This job could go any which way, but forget the prep time. He’s been in training camp all his life.
July 29, 2020 at 7:30 pm #118603wvParticipantI think any team that has to learn a new system, in this bizarre season-of-covid,
is going to suffer.I am expecting a bit of a drop-off.
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vAugust 6, 2020 at 1:22 am #118928znModeratorAaron Donald excited to put ‘own swag’ in Brandon Staley’s defense
https://www.nfl.com/news/aaron-donald-excited-to-put-own-swag-on-brandon-staley-s-defense
Since he kicked off a thus-far stupendous NFL career, Aaron Donald has excelled, as evident by six Pro Bowl selections in as many seasons.
Donald’s stellar six-season run has seen two defensive coordinators and now it’s going on its third.
It’s difficult to fathom any coaching change slowing down the former two-time AP Defensive Player of the Year, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be a least a couple growing pains getting used to the Rams’ newest defensive coordinator Brandon Staley. After those have subsided, the dynamic defensive tackle promises to put a little of his personal swagger on the Rams’ defensive scheme going forward.
“The first day, you’re out there, there’s different things that are kind of rocky, the next day you feel a lot more clean, a little bit more of an understanding of how I have to play things,” Donald said Wednesday, via team transcript. “I can put my own little twist to it, but not do it to the point where I’m messing up the defense. Each day is going to keep getting better. We’ve got good things going in that’s not just going to help me, but help a lot of guys around us. I’m definitely excited about it.”
Donald’s days in Los Angeles began with Gregg Williams as his defensive coordinator before Wade Phillips came along. With Phillips as DC from 2017-2019, Donald emerged as not just one of the finest defensive players in the league, but one of the best players in the NFL overall.
A key question for the Rams going forward will be how Donald and Co. adjust to playing beneath the Staley umbrella — and following a slew of personnel losses such as linebacker Cory Littleton and defensive end Dante Fowler, among others.
Thus far, Donald is pleased with the communication with Staley and the prospects of playing within and a little bit outside of the new DC’s scheme.
“Yeah we talked. We’ve talked a lot. Before we even got here, he called me multiple times and talked to me about certain things he wants to do to try to put me in good positions,” Donald said. ” I got excited about it. Just being here, being able to walk-thru the defense and actually be on the grass, getting a little feel for how it’s going to be and how I can play in it and put my own swag and own style to it, so I can be successful in the defense. “
August 16, 2020 at 10:28 am #119409znModeratorGreg Beacham@gregbeacham
Rams S John Johnson on what to expect from the new defense and new defensive coordinator: “Coach Staley came from Denver and Chicago. I think we have better guys than he did at those places, so just picture what he did (there), but with better guys.”==
Johnson may have a point.
The Rams feature the NFL’s best defensive player in Donald, no less than at least a minor upgrade to Mack along the defensive line. The Bears top corner in 2018 was Kyle Fuller, who had seven interceptions, but what can Staley expect to do with Jalen Ramsey as his top corner instead?
LA’s safety tandem of John Johnson and Taylor Rapp is no less than comparable to Chicago’s Eddie Jackson and Adrian Amos, at least as compared to what Jackson and Amos were known as prior to the 2018 season. Even today, Jackson and Johnson could be of equal value, and maybe Staley can develop Rapp in the same way that Bears coaches developed Amos, now a safety for the Packers.
If not, he also has third round safety Terrell Burgess to work with.
Mack, Jackson, and Fuller were first team all-pros in 2018, which we know is possible for Donald and Ramsey and could be possible with Johnson. A fourth Pro Bowl player on that defensive was defensive end Akiem Hicks, who at that point was going to the Pro Bowl for the first time at age 29. What could Staley do with 29-year-old Michael Brockers at this point in his career?
A first time Pro Bowl nod type season is hardly out of the question.
Thus far I am having a hard time finding the lie in what Johnson said. But Chicago did have rookie inside linebacker Roquan Smith in 2018 and he posted 121 tackles, five sacks, and one interception that year. Danny Trevathan and Floyd rounded out the group. Staley instead has Floyd, Samson Ebukam, Micah Kiser, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, and others battling it out for four positions at linebacker. If we account for the fact that Donald is making up for what the Rams don’t have with Mack at linebacker, that eases the difference somewhat.
I also believe that Kiser or Floyd or someone will be able to produce 100+ tackles and four or five sacks, just as Cory Littleton did the past two seasons.
Opposite of Ramsey is Troy Hill, a comparable number two corner to Prince Amukamara. The nickel position is a training camp battle and some of the questions won’t be answered until the season is over or much closer to it. Stars will emerge. Others won’t ever come to be. But not only does Staley likely have more talent as a defensive coordinator than what he had as an assistant with the Broncos last season (Miller, Justin Simmons, Chris Harris, Derek Wolfe as the standouts), he could potentially match the very talented number one defense (first in DVOA, first in pass defense DVOA, second in rush defense DVOA) of the 2018 Chicago Bears.
And if you don’t believe it, at least some of the players do
September 7, 2020 at 4:01 pm #120574znModeratorfrom PFF Rankings: Ranking all 32 defenses ahead of the 2020 NFL season
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rankings-ranking-all-32-defenses-ahead-of-the-2020-nfl-season%5DPFF
10. LOS ANGELES RAMS
The Rams’ pass-rush is subpar outside of Aaron Donald, but when you have a player as dominant as Donald, it really doesn’t matter. Disregarding positional value, Donald is perhaps the best player in the entire league. No interior defensive lineman even sniffs what he has done as a pass-rusher over the last five years. Donald had produced the highest pass-rush grade at the position in each of those years, totaling 437 pressures in that span — 92 more than second.
Depth at cornerback is a minor concern, but the Rams have a solid starting group spearheaded by Jalen Ramsey. Ramsey enters his first full year as a Ram as an easy top-five cornerback, as he is one of few who can shut down some of the league’s top wideouts. Ramsey has gone toe-to-toe with DeAndre Hopkins, T.Y. Hilton and Antonio Brown more than any receiver in his career and has still managed to allow just a 77.4 passer rating to those three while posting a ridiculous 24% forced incompletion rate. For perspective, only one cornerback produced a forced incompletion rate higher than 24% in 2019.
Opposite him is Troy Hill, one of the league’s most underrated corners entering the 2020 season. He came in clutch for L.A. after being thrown into the starting role in Week 6 of last year. From that point on, Hill finished eighth in PFF grade and fifth in catch rate allowed (45.1%).
It’s reasonable to say safety John Johnson III doesn’t get his fair share of respect, either. He’s looking for a bounce-back 2020 after being limited to only six games due to injury. Still, in his two years in the league before that, he posted the second-best coverage grade we have ever recorded by safety in their first two years in the NFL.
October 10, 2020 at 11:47 pm #122783znModeratorrampage666
Did a thorough watch of the first half defense vs the Giants.
Since it takes me a while to get through it I thought I’d post what I have so far. Just a half so small sample size.
Our coverages are difficult to decipher. We are very heavy in zone(75% in 1st half) use but that zone has some man principles to it as well. For example, zone typically covers and area while man covers a specific receiver. We play alot of 3Seam or Bronco coverage. In 3Seam, you have 3 deep defenders and 4 short defenders(like Cover 3) but with 3Seam depending on what route the slot receivers run the underneath zone defenders may switch to man coverage on them. Usually, the underneath defender in zone will switch to man if the slot receiver goes out or vertical while if the slot goes inside they will stay in their zone.
I’m not an expert by any stretch but I have a good feel for coverages but it is really hard to decipher exactly what the Rams defense is doing consistently. Some interesting things I’ve found out though:
1. We are not going to let people beat us deep. Almost always there is a very deep high safety–even when they play Quarters one safety will stay way deeper than the furthest receiver.
2. The outside CBs will frequently play man to man even in a zone. I think this is most likely when there is no other receiver on their side(or any obvious deep threat). This was problematic on a play vs the Giants where Hill had to run all the way across the field with Engram–almost an impossible coverage task given Hill began the play with outside leverage.
3. I don’t think we really care about pass rush. Sure it would be great but Staley doesnt invest anything into it. Obo is almost strictly a bull rusher, while Floyd runs past the Qb so often I wonder if he is targeting something else. When I watch Floyd, I see Quinn without the bend to turn the edge. When Quinn got the Tackle’s outside shoulder it was over–Quinn would bend at some obscene angle and instantly turn into the QB. Floyd just keeps running towards the other endzone. SBJ is getting a significant amount of reps in passing situations in the first half…The stunts are uncreative…
4. Our Edge players are men. Floyd, Samson, and Obo are physical. They stand their ground and shed. Really impressive. Floyd gave up the edge once but he was confused on where the ball was at. Cant wait to see Floyd and Kittle go at it. Really impressed with Floyd as a non passrusher. He’s just really stiff. Samson showed some some good pass rush early–more than I’ve seen from Floyd.
5. Rapp is like a missile on the field. Watching him on film you would never think he ran a 4.7. And then what he is known for–tackling–1v1 in the hole I’ll take him over any RB in the league. Would love to see him vs D Henry in the hole.
6. Kiser. He gets to the ball, disengages well, but gets removed fromt the play to often. He’s not physical. Uses his hands well. Good in pursuit, getting through people to get to the ball. I liked him in coverage–he and Young handle mesh concepts (route concept where the wrs run right past one another where the goal is to pick a db off to free one up) well. On that note, Young looked good in coverage as well. He looked much better than I had thought. Though he made some poor decisions in the run game.
7. Seemed the Rams really wanted to take Slayton out of the game. They doubled him some, especially in the red zone.
8. Hill and DWill are great. Hill can really put his feet in the ground and drive on the ball in zone. Really impressive. DWill is like a shadow–when he is covering a guy the separation is so minimal. Absolutley have a find a way to sign this two if the money is realistic.
9. Burgess plays as the deep safety in their dime package. No opinion of him after the first half.
We were playing a very conservative “bend but dont break” defense in that half. They definitely were prepared for the read option–taking away the b gaps early. Staley does an impressive job of disguising what he is doing in the secondary. It is complicated. I’m surprised we havent seen more mistakes. But it is definitely effective when played properly. Very difficult to know exactly how to attack his defense.
October 15, 2020 at 3:15 am #123030znModeratorRams hope ‘Aaron Donald effect,’ DL rotation can continue to unlock pass rush
Jourdan Rodrigue
Through five weeks, the Rams are tied for first in the NFL with 20 sacks, after a substantial boost from an eight-sack performance at Washington on Sunday.
“Any time that you come out with eight sacks,” head coach Sean McVay said Monday, “that was as dominant of a defensive performance (that) I’ve been a part of.”
What is more indicative of a pass-rush unit starting to find its groove, though, is the Rams’ 46 pressures (tied for fifth in the NFL) and their ability to bring this type of disruption while blitzing on only 20 percent of their defensive snaps, which ranks in the lower quarter of the league.
Much of the Rams’ pressure and disruption is coming from the interior defensive line, and statistically, the bulk is coming from Aaron Donald, who led the team Sunday with an extraordinary four-sack performance. Donald has 7.5 sacks and 15 pressures through five games, putting him on pace for 24 sacks and 48 pressures this season (his single-season career highs are 20.5 and 70, respectively).
But it’s important to recognize that Donald, and the way the Rams are scheming their interior defensive line this season, force a notable ripple effect. Aided by the supporting cast of Michael Brockers, Sebastian Joseph-Day, Morgan Fox and Greg Gaines, the pressure not only trickles into the second level, but it also contains elements that predict sustainability into the tough middle segment of this season.
Donald is playing approximately 85 percent of the Rams’ defensive snaps this season. While that is the most among his colleagues on the interior line by quite a large margin (the next-closest is Brockers at approximately 64 percent), it’s still clear that Donald is not excluded from an efficient rotational plan devised by defensive line coach Eric Henderson and defensive coordinator Brandon Staley.
“The more guys that you can play up front, I think, is an advantage,” Staley said. “We kind of look at the front like a basketball team. The more rotations that you can have, it’s going to allow new guys to come in. I think it’s stressful on the offensive line because you’re getting guys that are different speeds. You can get used to blocking the same guy the entire game. Sometimes when you have to block a different guy, that just changes the pace on an offensive lineman, but certainly the depth creates, I think, strength later in the game, more energy.
“Then I think the more depth you have, the more you can isolate matchups, kind of the game within the game, use the personnel groupings that you feel like are best in that game. So, we feel like that’s a strength of ours, and we’re going to continue to do it.”
A rotation, when operating correctly, helps players stay fresh, either in tight-game or late-game situations. In a too-close-for-comfort Week 4 win against the New York Giants, the Rams’ defense was stuck on the field for over 33 minutes. Staley and Henderson adjusted their scheme on the fly to increase the rotation, especially on the interior, in order to have a fresh front available in case of a crucial closeout opportunity.
“We want to be good in the fourth quarter, when it counts,” Staley said. “…That’s something that, as coaches, you constantly have to be communicating with your players and with one another, coach to coach, and we’re certainly searching for that right balance … and we certainly needed it the other day playing 33 minutes in that game. We needed all those guys fresh for the end.”
A rotation, as Staley mentioned, helps confuse an offensive line. It usually takes a series or two for a decent offensive lineman to begin to key on specific “tells” given by the player opposite him. But if the Rams keep changing those guys, it takes the offensive lineman much longer.
“Guys get a feel for the flow of the game,” McVay said, “and when you’re throwing a bunch of different guys that are lining over guards, over tackles, they don’t ever really get a feel for the different types of rushers that you’re going against. It’s very similar to where you can kind of be able to play three different (running) backs that all give you a little bit different element, and it’s a change of pace in a different way that you have to defend them.”
The Rams also at times increase the frequency of their rotation on the interior defensive line, in part because a player such as Fox, an inside-outside defensive lineman, is producing very well while only given about 35 to 40 percent of the Rams’ snaps.
Fox has two sacks, one of which forced a fumble, five pressures, 11 tackles and a batted pass through the first five games.
“With Morgan, I think this guy’s got real toughness. This guy is a tough sucker,” Staley said grinning. “He gives you a lot of quickness inside. Guards aren’t used to dealing with a guy with his type of quickness and, obviously, Aaron has that as well. Usually you’re dealing with maybe a bigger, stronger guy. Morgan has got really good quickness in there, and he’s got really good pass rush ability from the inside. So I think that that’s something that he does really well. He also knows how to play off people. You’ll hear me say that a lot. The guys that know how to figure it out on the field — cause it’s not perfect — he can fix problems up there in the front.”
Donald, as we know, especially draws extra blockers — more so, perhaps, than any other defensive player in the league — and so while a major point of Staley’s defense works to put Donald into isolated situations, it also attempts to turn his double-teams into advantages elsewhere.
Sunday was a great example. As the game advanced, the Rams played reserve linebacker Troy Reeder closer to the line of scrimmage, instead of forcing him deeper into the middle of the field and putting him at risk of facing coverage situations, where he is inconsistent. They were given more flexibility to do this because, at times, Reeder’s coverage assignment was drawn in for blocking support to help deal with Donald. With Donald usually facing multiple blockers, the rest of the Rams’ defensive linemen were able to lock up their matchups, thus creating natural “green dog” blitz opportunities for Reeder.
Reeder was able to wait a step behind the defensive line and, essentially, pause for a half-count as a rushing lane opened, and then he all but waltzed into the pocket for three sacks.
“In some ways, we’re clearing it up for him,” Brockers said after the game. “Taking on the double-teams where he doesn’t have to engage somebody right away. He can kind of pad his feet and then hit the hole whenever he needs to. He did a great job of green-dogging us on blitzes today, you know, where you go get two guys on (Donald) and everybody else is singled. If he blitzes, you know, he’s open. … Taking care of his opportunities, and he’s doing his job.”
Obviously, the attention Donald gets also means players such as Reeder can rack up a few sacks when the moments present themselves.
It means that other defensive linemen such as Fox get more opportunities to create pressure, too.
The Rams hope that this turns into symbiosis: As the season progresses, if Fox shows up enough on tape, that actually helps Donald because teams will become more hesitant to leave Fox in single-matchup situations.
“It (means I am) able to do my job,” Fox said. “When situations like that happen, when you have a player like Aaron or a player like Brock that people want to slide to, you have to be able to win on the back side, or win on the opposite side of them to make sure that a team is successful. You want to make sure you win your one-on-one and do your job.”
On a very basic level, it’s kind of analogous to having shutdown corner Jalen Ramsey on one side of the field. A quarterback will throw to the opposite cornerback more often to avoid the guy they know is the top threat. It’s the same with Fox. When Donald is getting doubled or even tripled, it’s his time to make something happen.
“Guys like Fox, as long as they keep making plays, I’m happy,” Donald said with a laugh. “As long as somebody is making a play, we’re getting the job done.
“Eventually I will get more opportunities because they’ve got to start paying attention to other guys. I’m going to just keep playing ball, and when plays present themselves to me, I’ve just got to take advantage of it.”
October 26, 2020 at 11:51 am #123406znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Rams and @TheAthleticNFL fans, you asked for it, so @FB_FilmAnalysis and I teamed up to deliver: A deep dive into Brandon Staley’s defense, featuring philosophy, position-by-position keys, unique variables/traits, how it all fits together and much more:Yep, the Rams do have to shore up the missed tackles. But before we get to the “how” of Staley’s new defense, overall numbers are striking considering the complexity of scheme install, & new practice habits (like pattern-matching) put into place with no offseason football:
As Ted and I got into Staley’s system, we did find the similarities to what Staley/Fangio did in Chicago (timely!) – but also where Staley puts his own unique stamp…and, crazily, where his defense actually at times (stay with me here) philosophically mirrors a McVay offense!
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Decoding Brandon Staley’s new Rams defense, and what we’ve learned about it
Jourdan Rodrigue and Ted Nguyen
Rams head coach Sean McVay joked this week that in 2018, when the Rams lost to Chicago 15-6, then-Bears outside linebackers coach Brandon Staley “basically ruined my night.”
“He’s really tough on himself,” Staley said, adding that the week preparing for McVay and his Rams offense was “stressful. … We knew we were up against it.”
McVay now has Staley on his side as his first-year defensive coordinator, and while Staley never goes out of his way to talk about that 2018 game, he does have some of that footage on his teaching tape.
“He’s pretty diplomatic,” McVay said, smiling. “He just has all of his teach-tapes and the cutups spliced with that game in there, so he brings it up in a subconscious way.”
The Rams — who play the Bears on Monday night at SoFi Stadium — say Staley’s defense does have some similarities to what the Bears do/have done. It’s technically a 3-4 base, with plenty of optionality and ability to be multiple. Plus, when it’s clicking, it has a formidable rush-coverage complement. It also brings over some concepts from Staley’s time with former Bears defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who is now the head coach of the Broncos. Last year, McVay notably mentioned Fangio’s defensive playbook as the one that gave him and the Rams the most trouble.
But Staley also has brought many elements from his time as the defensive coordinator/secondary coach at Division III John Carroll University (2013, 2015-16). Utilizing a nickel-hybrid position called the “Star” with star cornerback Jalen Ramsey is one example. Rookie starting safety Jordan Fuller playing a “center-field” role shows another element from the scheme he ran at John Carroll, which Staley hopes will translate to the NFL. And while middle linebacker Roquan Smith is the Bears’ signal-caller (and Danny Trevathan before him), Staley’s signal-caller in Los Angeles is strong safety John Johnson.
This offseason, when the Rams parted ways with well-liked, veteran defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, organizational brass sat McVay down and told him to find his own “Sean McVay” to fill the role. That translated into a variety of philosophical similarities between McVay and Staley in the meeting rooms, like an ability to teach and push creative boundaries, and maintain functional conflict and competition. But, most interestingly, Staley’s scheme philosophically mirrors a big part of McVay’s offense. The defense wants to make the looks, from play to play, similar, and then switch late into design.
Under Staley this season, the Rams rank No. 4 in the NFL in total defense, allowing just 318.5 yards per game. Much more telling is their No. 6 overall ranking in drives that allow a score — Rams opponents have scored on just one-third of their drives. The Rams are allowing an average of only five yards per offensive play, even though they rank No. 18 in rushing yards allowed per attempt (4.4) and No. 11 in rushing yards allowed per game. Against the pass, though, the Rams are allowing just 5.4 net yards per attempt — first in the NFL — and while their defense faces the 20th-most pass attempts in the league, they’re allowing just 209.5 passing yards per game (No. 4 overall). The Rams also allow only 19 points per game (No. 5) and, remarkably, an average of just 4.3 points in the second half (No. 1).
Missed tackles and inconsistent pressure, on the other hand, at times seem to be holding back the defense from reaching its full potential. The defense has missed 43 tackles through its first six games and has not been able to attain consistent pressure off the edge, though the Rams have 21 sacks (No. 5 in the league).
Here’s what we know so far about Staley’s scheme, from its emphasis on key players such as Ramsey and All-Pro defensive tackle Aaron Donald to its fluidity in the secondary to its use of inside linebackers.
Aaron Donald and the defensive line
Staley and the Rams entered the 2020 season with the understanding that Donald would be, as he was in 2019, one of the most double-teamed players in the league. Staley even notably said in the spring, as he worked to install his defense via online meetings, that he wanted Donald to be able to “express himself” within the Rams’ new system. Yet realistically, Staley knew that would take a combination of scheme and production from others along the defensive line. Donald would be doubled no matter what, so how could the Rams turn the attention on him into something positive?
In theory, as single-blocked Rams players capitalize on Donald’s occupation by multiple blockers, they draw some attention away from him, and then he can better operate. But it’s not that simple, because smart teams would rather risk it with the Rams’ other linemen, because they aren’t exactly jumping off the stats page consistently, despite an increased rotation over the last few weeks. Of the team’s 20 sacks and 54 pressures, Donald has 7.5 and 19, respectively — and the next-closest teammate is outside linebacker Leonard Floyd, with two sacks and 10 pressures. On the interior, Michael Brockers and Morgan Fox each have two sacks.
A team’s highest sack numbers usually don’t come from interior linemen (other than Donald, of course), but the Rams’ aren’t getting a lot from the outside, either. The Rams’ rotation has noticeably increased in recent weeks as Staley tries to manufacture more pocket disruption while also keeping players fresh.
What might help the Rams achieve more balance and all-around consistency is the imminent return of nose tackle A’Shawn Robinson, who has returned to practice and should be back in early November at the latest. The Rams would like to see Robinson work into their rotation to help against the run, but also to eat up blockers on passing snaps and bend the front of the pocket inward to force the quarterback to move into a higher-risk area. Robinson can move up and down the line on all three downs, Staley and McVay said, and can do everything from playing defensive end in the 3-4 base to playing three-technique when the Rams are in a four-man front.
Meanwhile, it’s tough to see a certain solution for edge pressure already on the roster, unless rookie outside linebacker Terrell Lewis progresses as his snaps increase, or Obo Okoronkwo returns from his elbow surgery on the same rising track he was on before his injury.
Ted’s Take: Without a true edge rusher, it’s hard to consistently pressure the quarterback, even with Donald wreaking havoc on the inside. Floyd is a good speed rusher but he’s not going to dominate the edge consistently. Unless either Lewis or Okoronkwo have a breakout season, it’s going to continue to be a struggle when Donald gets doubled. Donald has the versatility to play inside and outside, and the Rams have moved him around to make him tougher to double and to take advantage of certain matchups, but right now, there doesn’t seem to be another pass rusher who is able to take advantage of the one-on-one opportunities that Donald creates.
According to Pro Football Focus, the Rams are 17th in the NFL in blitz rate, so they are just barely in the bottom half. They blitz with a variety of players and that can help create one-on-ones, but because they play so much soft coverage, quarterbacks can find quick underneath outlets, which is fine but they have to tackle better to keep gains at a minimum against better competition (teams other than NFC East).
What is asked of inside linebackers?
The Rams don’t blitz a lot — only once every 26 dropbacks, on average — and are led by a wide margin by Floyd, who has blitzed 32 times. Interestingly, the players sent on blitzes the second- and third-most often are inside linebackers Micah Kiser (13) and Kenny Young (11). Even inside linebacker Troy Reeder, who really has played only one full game, was sent on eight blitzes, just one less than outside linebacker Samson Ebukam, who has nine in five starts.
In fact, Young plays only about 55 percent of defensive snaps, in part because the Rams like to play Johnson in more of a hybrid role and add defensive backs, as opposed to playing a straight-up “front seven.”
Overall, there are clues that point to inside linebacker being the least “valuable” position on the field for the Rams. They waived seventh-round pick Clay Johnston, their only drafted inside linebacker. Even after losing likely starter Travin Howard to a knee injury in training camp, the Rams kept only three inside linebackers on their season-opening roster. They also didn’t promote anybody from the practice squad, even when Kiser was out in Week 5. Much of this methodology lies in the fact that Staley believes strong safeties should be played more as linebackers in his ideal scheme (Johnson has played 100 percent of the defensive snaps so far this season).
Teams have found a weakness in the Rams’ linebackers when they are stretched more horizontally on passes behind the line of scrimmage, as was the case last week against San Francisco.
But when Staley gets matchups along the defensive line that he likes, linebackers factor in much more importantly. In Week 5, a Rams win at Washington, Kiser was absent with a groin injury and Reeder took his place. Reeder is not consistent in coverage, so Staley played him closer to the line of scrimmage (and added extra defensive backs to complement). He was able to do this because the Washington player who often would be Reeder’s responsibility had to move inside to help stave off Donald and the defensive line, which ultimately recorded eight sacks. Reeder then was able to sit back a half-step while the lines locked up, then slip through the consequently available gaps for three of those sacks.
Ted’s Take: The Rams play a lot of cover 4 or cover 6, which are coverages with pattern match principles. This means that the Rams’ linebackers are asked to process how pass combinations develop before matching up. In most of their pattern match coverages, the inside linebackers have to have “final 3” or the final number three (furthest inside receiver to their side) after the pattern distribution.
Week 6, 7:56 left in the third quarter, third-and-11
Here is an example of a cover 4 variation commonly called “special.” In “special,” the corner has the number one receiver (farthest outside). The nickel has number two (middle receiver) on any vertical route, and the inside linebacker and free safety will essentially double the number three receiver (farthest inside).
The assignments are obvious before the snap when the receivers are stationary, but when the ball is snapped and they cross each other, their number designation changes.
As the ball was snapped, the number two receiver, Golden Tate, crossed underneath of the number two, so he became the new number two receiver. The inside linebacker’s job is to take the “final three” receiver underneath after the pattern distribution, so he had to match up with Tate..
It can be difficult to get all the communication correct and do this effectively, and there have been examples of the Rams not effectively pattern matching, but they haven’t been punished for it. And like in the example above, there will be times when linebackers are matched up with receivers but theoretically, they should have a leverage advantage and have help over the top. Young looks to be the most effective inside linebacker the Rams have at pattern matching.
The ‘Star’ and the secondary
The most notable philosophical traits with Staley’s secondary lie with the safeties, as noted above, and also with the use of the “Star” position.
Staley brought the Star role with him from John Carroll University, after he went back through Ramsey’s high school and college tape. Staley knew the league was shifting more and more toward three-receiver sets on offense, and moving top receivers around. While the Rams technically say the 3-4 is their “base,” it’s much more accurate to say that the nickel/Star is their actual base because they rarely move out of it no matter how the front changes.
The role itself is difficult, though the concept of it is simple: Get one of your best players involved on much of the snap-to-snap action, instead of simply leaving him on the outside (where he isn’t getting targeted by quarterbacks). The Star is a larger nickel who has more freedom within the defense to move with the larger receivers and tight ends when they catch passes out of the interior receiving spots. Ramsey is also used in run support — he is one of the surest tacklers on the team — and is sent on blitzes more often than in any other year of his career.
“I see him like (how) LeBron James is used in the basketball court, where he’s a positionless player,” Staley said. “You’re a little bit of a corner, you’re a little bit of a safety, a little bit of a linebacker — inside linebacker and outside linebacker, because you’re kind of a rusher, too. It’s a spot that you have to possess all those qualities of those four positions. You’ve got to be able to process, because things happen quickly inside. You need a guy that can see and a guy that can think and operate quickly. … Those are things that he does well.”
Ramsey won’t always be in the Star. When teams run groupings with a true No. 1 receiver who largely stays on the outside, Ramsey will match with that player, particularly if he is a bigger, more physical player such as Tampa Bay’s Mike Evans. The Rams also play a more traditional nickel with Troy Hill, who shifts to the outside when Ramsey is in the Star. When that occurs, Hill and outside cornerback Darious Williams have to be, as they say, “on their screws” because the quarterback tries to avoid Ramsey.
Ted’s Take: Again, the Rams are playing a lot of pattern match coverage, so the Star might be playing man on the slot vertical or he could be dropping to the flats, depending on his read on any given play. He has to be able to process quickly and switch gears to playing man-to-man on some lightning-quick athletes inside. He’s also part of the run fit, so on some plays he might be reading an offensive linemen or tight end initially.
Ramsey is playing well despite learning the position. He played some safety in college, so that experience is definitely helping with the transition. Ramsey could still be a little quicker with his reads, however, he’s still making plays with his all-world athleticism.
Week 6, 7:56 left in the third quarter, third-and-11
Here, the Rams are in cover 6, which is a combo coverage. To the field (bottom of image), they played cover 4 and to the boundary (top of the image), they played cover 2. Ramsey was in the slot, playing the star position. In cover 2, he has the “hook” area.
Ramsey is so big and long that the receiver had to go around him, which disrupted the timing of the play. After the receiver cleared, Ramsey saw the ball go to the flat, so he rallied and made a good tackle.
Ramsey’s physicality is utilized much more when he plays inside, rather than just staying outside for the entire game.
Staley’s defense looks a lot like Fangio’s in that they both show cover 4 shells pre-snap before rotating into different coverages after the snap. They do a good job of eliminating pre-snap tells for quarterbacks.
Week 6, 0:57 left in the third quarter, third-and-4
Here, the defense shows four deep with Ramsey playing inside.
After the snap, one of the safeties rotates down and plays robber. The defense ended up playing cover 1 cross (man to man with one deep safety) out of a four-deep look. How a quarterback goes through his progression against cover 1 or cover 4 could be very different, so having this type of uncertainty can really slow down his processing.
Also, if Ramsey only played outside and a quarterback saw him inside to guard a player like George Kittle, it would be an obvious tell that the defense was in cover 1, but with Ramsey playing Star, he could match up against star tight ends without giving away the coverage.
Further proof of the parallel philosophies between McVay and Staley? The Rams have Cooper Kupp, who is one of their best offensive players, play inside because it allows him to use his versatility blocking, catching, and even running the ball sometimes. Now, they are doing the same with Ramsey, who is much more involved in the action as the Star. He can still bump outside when the matchup dictates it. He’s still just scratching the surface of the impact he could make there.
October 28, 2020 at 6:36 pm #123546znModeratorfrom How Brandon Staley and the Los Angeles Rams have created the league’s most unique defense
Seth Galina
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-los-angeles-rams-created-the-leagues-most-unique-defense-jalen-ramsey
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The Los Angeles Rams defense went back to school this offseason. They took graduate-level classes on fronts and coverages, received their diploma and have now taken the league by storm with a modern, almost collegiate, approach to defense.
Brandon Staley, who served as a college defensive coordinator as recently as 2016, was brought in during the offseason to replace the veteran Wade Phillips, and the results have been stunning so far. They have suffocated offenses en route to a 5-2 record and are the NFL’s third-ranked defense in expected points added (EPA) allowed per play.
The Rams defense was never bad under Phillips. It ranked 10th and 15th, respectively, the last two seasons in EPA per play, but McVay wanted something fresh. He’s now got that with Staley.
The 37-year-old was formerly the defensive coordinator for Division III John Carroll University before being hired by Vic Fangio to coach outside linebackers in Chicago in 2017. Staley then moved with Fangio to Denver to take up the same role in 2019. Now, with the influence of Fangio, and with Staley’s mind untethered to the common practices of NFL defenses, the Rams look like they’ve once again struck gold with the hiring of a young coach.
October 29, 2020 at 9:10 pm #123579InvaderRamModeratori’m not yet convinced this is a top 5 defense. they’re 6th in yards allowed and 2nd in points allowed.
i’m still somehow not convinced though. i think they’re a good defense. i don’t know that they are a top 5 defense.
i hope i’m wrong. and i do think they have the potential to get better still.
November 2, 2020 at 7:54 pm #123761InvaderRamModeratori’m not yet convinced this is a top 5 defense. they’re 6th in yards allowed and 2nd in points allowed.
i’m still somehow not convinced though. i think they’re a good defense. i don’t know that they are a top 5 defense.
i hope i’m wrong. and i do think they have the potential to get better still.
hmmm… i may have to rethink my stance.
also. if the giants put up 297 yards of total offense on the bucs tonight, the rams become the number one defense in the nfl.
now… that’s a tall order to ask of the giants. they’re horrible. they only average 282 yards of total offense…
November 2, 2020 at 11:28 pm #123768InvaderRamModeratorwell. at least for one week. the rams’ defense is number one in total yards.
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