the "who are the coaches McVay is hiring" thread

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Source tells @sn_nfl that former @Saints defensive line coach Bill Johnson taking same position under @sonofbum with @RamsNFL

— Alex Marvez (@alexmarvez) January 14, 2017

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BIO: http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches/bill-johnson/2686246a-7d31-4c7a-a051-fddc46dfc846

[nittany ram]

I’m interested in who the OC will be. Bill Callahan?

[sanbagger]

nittany ram wrote:

I’m interested in who the OC will be. Bill Callahan?

I think the Redskins could block that if they choose.

[InvaderRam]

i don’t know if the fit is there, but i want musgrave. i don’t know what kind of offense he ran, but he did a good job with carr, and the raiders had a good running game.

• This reply was modified 7 years, 10 months ago by InvaderRam.
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[InvaderRam]

nevermind. denver signed him.

[zn]

No source given for this.

Former Redskins defensive coordinator Joe Barry will be McVay’s assistant head coach and linebacker coach, Good Morning Football’s Peter Schrager reports

[wv]

Hmmmm. The “R” word is going to pop up a lot now.

It vexes me.

I shant use it.

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[sanbagger]

Norv Turner is still lookin for work. Not sure his type of O would mesh with McVays, but I’m confident they could put their heads together and work a system out.

I also like that Norv is focused on balance in the O while I think McVay may be more of a pass oriented type of O guy. This team is gonna need Gurley as they transition to the new O and beyond IMO.

[InvaderRam]

sanbagger wrote:

Norv Turner is still lookin for work. Not sure his type of O would mesh with McVays, but I’m confident they could put their heads together and work a system out.

I also like that Norv is focused on balance in the O while I think McVay may be more of a pass oriented type of O guy. This team is gonna need Gurley as they transition to the new O and beyond IMO.

i agree with you about bringing in someone who is more balanced. i just don’t know that turner is that guy.

first i think that he is a coryell guy while mcvay is more of a west coast offense.

second i would think turner would want playcalling duties so unless he’s willing to give that up, it doesn’t look like a match.

i’m thinking a guy like callahan would work. don’t know that washington would be willing to give him up.

[nittany ram]

InvaderRam wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

Norv Turner is still lookin for work. Not sure his type of O would mesh with McVays, but I’m confident they could put their heads together and work a system out.

I also like that Norv is focused on balance in the O while I think McVay may be more of a pass oriented type of O guy. This team is gonna need Gurley as they transition to the new O and beyond IMO.

i agree with you about bringing in someone who is more balanced. i just don’t know that turner is that guy.

first i think that he is a coryell guy while mcvay is more of a west coast offense.

second i would think turner would want playcalling duties so unless he’s willing to give that up, it doesn’t look like a match.

i’m thinking a guy like callahan would work. don’t know that washington would be willing to give him up.

Not wanting to give up play calling duties is why Turner left Minn. That, and as you say, him being a Coryell guy, makes me think he wouldn’t be a good fit. I do love him as an OC though.

[PA Ram]

The most important thing is for McVay to hire someone he trusts–someone who gets HIS offense and can be another set of eyes on the field and give him good feedback. My guess is it’s someone he either has had some association with in the past or someone he truly beleives fills that particular role. He doesn’t need any sort of established guy with his own system or even someone who has been an OC in the past. It’s more about a particular type of working chemistry that’s important here, IMO.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
Hearing the Rams have some interest in former Bears/Saints assistant Aaron Kroemer for vacant OC job. Other options have been blocked

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zn wrote:

Hearing the Rams have some interest in former Bears/Saints assistant Aaron Kroemer

from the wiki:

Aaron Kromer

New Orleans Saints (2009–2012)
Offensive line coach

New Orleans Saints (2012)
Interim head coach

Chicago Bears (2013–2014)
Offensive coordinator

Buffalo Bills (2015–2016)
Offensive line coach

This is the third name associated with the Rams OC search where the guy was a former OL coach. The others were Callahan and Foerster.

So that’s a pattern.

My view is this.

Quite often the OL coaches are also the run game coordinators (Hanifan had that role with Martz).

So he is looking for a coordinator who has input into the running game.

[PA Ram]

I know one thing–his press conference really excited me. I have no idea how things will play out but I feel good about him as head coach. I feel good about whatever choices he makes.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

[Agamemnon]

Hearing the Rams have some interest in former Bears/Saints assistant Aaron Kroemer for vacant OC job. Other options have been blocked

— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 14, 2017

Skins very likely to promote QB coach Matt Cavanaugh to OC, w/HC Jay Gruden calling plays. Expected to lose assistant Wes Phillips to LAR…

— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 14, 2017

Wes Phillips is thought of highly by new Rams HC Sean McVay, worked closely in WSH. And Wes's dad Wade is D coordinator for McVay in LA

— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 14, 2017

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[Agamemnon]

zn wrote:

Quite often the OL coaches are also the run game coordinators (Hanifan had that role with Martz).

So he is looking for a coordinator who has input into the running game.

OC/Oline is next on my list:

1. McVay takes care of Goff. Takes care of the passing game.
The best guy to develope Goff’s potential.
2. Wade Phillips takes care of the Defense
Better than Williams.
3. Fassel takes care of Special Teams
Keeps Special Teams in the top 10.
4. Next: Offensive Line
????? Talent is OK. drop Robinson and Rhaney
5. Next: Running game
????? Talent is OK.

Agamemnon

[InvaderRam]

zn wrote:

Quite often the OL coaches are also the run game coordinators (Hanifan had that role with Martz).

So he is looking for a coordinator who has input into the running game.

that’s what i see too. and it’s smart.

[sanbagger]

zn wrote:

My view is this.

Quite often the OL coaches are also the run game coordinators (Hanifan had that role with Martz).

So he is looking for a coordinator who has input into the running game.

This makes sense. I thought kinda the same thing when I heard Lynns name mentioned then when he took the job with San Diego for some reason I didn’t think about it again.

[InvaderRam]

on aaron kromer.

i didn’t realize this until i read this bit over at the herd. as ol coach of the bills, the bills have ranked number one in rushing both years he’s been there. of course when he was in chicago as offensive coordinator, the bears ranked 27th and 16th in rushing. so mixed results.

also, he may have smacked some kid around and threatened him with death… sounds like a winner.

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Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl
And with Juan Castillo taking over as OL coach with #Bills, former OL coach Aaron Kromer was released from his contract.

[Agamemnon]

I did a search on Kromer. I got 3 or 4 pages of him being arrested and a bit on him getting into it with Cutler.

https://search.yahoo.com/search?n=10&ei=UTF-8&va_vt=any&vo_vt=any&ve_vt=any&vp_vt=any&vst=0&vf=all&vm=p&fl=0&fr=sfp&p=Aaron+Kromer&vs=

Agamemnon

[InvaderRam]

Agamemnon wrote:

I did a search on Kromer. I got 3 or 4 pages of him being arrested and a bit on him getting into it with Cutler.

https://search.yahoo.com/search?n=10&ei=UTF-8&va_vt=any&vo_vt=any&ve_vt=any&vp_vt=any&vst=0&vf=all&vm=p&fl=0&fr=sfp&p=Aaron+Kromer&vs=

i don’t like kromer. besides him being a guy who smacks children around. his track record is spotty at best.

and i think that devastating buffalo rushing attack had more to do with greg roman than kromer.

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[sanbagger]

Just saw Rams are gonna get Bill Johnson OL line coach from New Orleans

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InvaderRam wrote:

i think that devastating buffalo rushing attack had more to do with greg roman than kromer

Buffalo fired Roman, though. Anyway. Kromer at least worked with Roman, which could contribute to what the Rams can do, if they hire him.

I am willing to give Kromer a chance. There aren’t a lot of OL coaches who have already been coordinators out there, and the Rams have already been blocked from signing 2.

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[Agamemnon]

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/coach-741225-rams-defensive.html

Rams close to adding Joe Barry, Bill Johnson to coaching staff
By RICH HAMMOND
2017-01-14 17:13:29

Sean McVay’s top priority, as the Rams’ new coach, is to complete his staff of assistants, and that process already is taking shape with moves inside and outside the organization.

The Buffalo Bills announced Saturday that they hired Mike Waufle to be their defensive line coach. Waufle had filled that role for the Rams since the start of the 2012 season.

The Rams this week agreed to terms with Wade Phillips, who is set to become their defensive coordinator, and according to published reports, McVay intends to add a couple more defensive coaches who recently became available.

Sporting News reported that the Rams intend to hire Joe Barry as their linebackers coach and assistant head coach, while NFL.com reported that the Rams intend to hire Bill Johnson to replace Waufle as defensive line coach.

The Rams have not made any of those hires official, including that of Phillips. They have announced that special teams coach John Fassel will be retained.

Barry played linebacker at USC from 1991-93 and also worked for the Trojans as a graduate assistant (1991-93) and linebackers coach (2000). Barry primarily has been an NFL linebackers coach since 2001 but on Jan. 6 he was fired after two seasons as Washington’s defensive coordinator. McVay was Washington’s offensive coordinator during that time.

Johnson has been a line coach since 1982, first for 17 years in college and then during NFL stints with Atlanta (2001-06), Denver (2007-08) and New Orleans (2009-16). The Saints announced this month that Johnson would not be retained for the 2017 season.

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[InvaderRam]

on bill johnson

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/08/new_orleans_saints_defensive_l_1.html

Eliot Kamenitz/The Times-PicayuneNew Orleans Saints defensive ends coach Bill Johnson twice was a target hire of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. This season, Sean Payton beat him to the punch, hiring Johnson five days before Williams.
If there is a silver lining to the Saints losing starting defensive ends Charles Grant and Will Smith for four games at the start of the season, it’s that team officials have had months to prepare for their drug-related suspensions.

That involves stocking a roster with short-term and long-term replacements and hiring a defensive line coach to deftly handle the change in culture that Coach Sean Payton demands under new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Enter Bill Johnson, an affable, tough-minded, good ol’ boy whose coaching glass is always half-full.

“To me, it’s an opportunity for somebody else to show that they can play,” Johnson said between practices Wednesday. “Then, when they come back, it’s an opportunity for us to be stronger in the fifth week of the season. It’s an opportunity for us to be stronger in the 16th, 17th, 18th week, because we have somebody else better.”

Listening to Payton and Williams talk, the Saints’ organization hired the ideal defensive line coach for this season and beyond, because of his passion for the game, his reputation for getting the most out of his players and his knowledge of the pass rush.

“He has got a good ol’ boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol’ boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,” Williams said. “The players love him, and they love being around him. He coaches them hard, but they have a good time because they laugh and joke, too.”

The pairing of Williams with Johnson has been a work in progress. Williams first tried to hire Johnson in Buffalo in 2001 and again at Washington in 2004, each time to no avail.

Payton actually beat Williams to the punch, hiring Johnson five days before Williams signed in mid-January.

“I’ve tracked Bill for a long time,” Williams said. “I was tracking him when he was in college football. I’m really pleased that we finally have a chance to get our contracts matched up, and we get to work together.”

That opportunity presented itself when Denver Broncos owner Pat Bowlen fired Mike Shanahan and his coaching staff, enabling Johnson to pursue coaching opportunities in Seattle, Green Bay and New Orleans.

Johnson, 54, reportedly turned down a job offer at Green Bay and signed with the Saints.

“It was harder to hire a staff in ’06 than it is in ’09,” Payton said. “Obviously, I’m biased, but we changed the culture, and how we’re perceived in this league nationally is much different. We were able in ’09 to hire a Gregg Williams and a Bill Johnson, when I don’t know in ’06 those same opportunities would have presented themselves.”

So who is Bill Johnson and why all the fuss? A native of Monroe and former standout at Neville High School and Northwestern Louisiana, he is entering his 30th year of coaching in the college and professional ranks, the last eight with Atlanta (2001-2006) and Denver (2007-08).

While with the Falcons, he helped the club post the seventh-highest sack total in the NFL (third in the NFC) with 242.

“There was a four-year stretch when he was in Atlanta when they led the league in sacks with a four-man rush,” Williams said. “If we’re going to be any good here, we’ve got to do a better job rushing the passer out of a four-man rush.”

Saints defensive tackle Rod Coleman said he benefited from Johnson’s coaching when they were together in Atlanta from 2004 through ’07. Coleman signed with the Saints in March after being released by the Falcons in February 2008 and sitting out the ’08 season.

Coleman registered 28 sacks under Johnson from 2004-06 — the most of any NFL defensive tackle during that period — and went to the Pro Bowl after the 2005 season.

“Bill is intense,” Coleman said. “He makes you dig deeper than you thought you could. It has helped me that I was with him in Atlanta, so I know his mentality and his methods of madness. He’s basically going to grind you, grind you and push you to your limits.

“He’s still tweaking his vision, but as long as you’re working hard for him, he’s going to take care of you. He’ll go to bat for you as long as he knows you’re out there busting your butt for him out there between those white lines.”

What happens on the field is what matters most to Johnson, whose desire to coach a 4-3 defense means more to him than being back in his home state.

“People say I’m here because I had to come back to Louisiana,” Johnson said. “I promise you, if the things I was looking for as a coach would have been in Canada, I would have gone to Canada to coach. I was looking for an element of what I am as a coach and an opportunity to do that with a group that I could rally together and bond with.

“My passion is coaching defense the way I know how to coach defense. I wanted a four-man front, and this is where it was.”

Brian Allee-Walsh can be reached at ballee-walsh@timespicayune.com or 504.826.3805.

[Agamemnon]

It appears that there are plenty of good coaches still out there. Although the Rams might not get their first choice. I have to believe that they can get somebody competent. It would be nice to kill the offensive line coach and the running game.

Agamemnon

[InvaderRam]

Agamemnon wrote:

It appears that there are plenty of good coaches still out there. Although the Rams might not get their first choice. I have to believe that they can get somebody competent. It would be nice to kill the offensive line coach and the running game.

that’s the one i’m waiting on. running backs coach too. but i’m really wanting to find out who the oline coach will be.

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[Agamemnon]

InvaderRam wrote:

“My passion is coaching defense the way I know how to coach defense. I wanted a four-man front, and this is where it was.”

This line, from Bill Johnson, is interesting, since Wade is a 34 guy.

Agamemnon

[InvaderRam]

Agamemnon wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

“My passion is coaching defense the way I know how to coach defense. I wanted a four-man front, and this is where it was.”

This line, from Bill Johnson, is interesting, since Wade is a 34 guy.

bill johnson and phillips coached together in atlanta from 2002-3. i believe they ran a 3-4 during phillips’ time there. the first season was ok. the second season everything fell apart. but i think everything fell apart at that point. i think reeves was fired at some point in the season, and wade took over as interim head coach. johnson remained part of the coaching staff after phillips was let go. they probably went to a 4-3 after that.

there must be something there as phillips decided to work with him again. maybe with this 3-4 one gap scheme it’ll be more similar to what johnson likes to coach.

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