"The Trade" — Yes, or No

Yes.

Foles IS good enough to win, considering how this team is built and what it wants to do.

Also–no one will tell you that, QBs aside, the Rams got the short end of the deal in regards to draft picks. They did great in that regard.

The fact that they were able to free cap room, that I won’t be holding my breath every time Sam takes a snap, that they were able to improve some draft position this year and next year are all reasons I think they did a good job.

True–a year or two from now, if we watch Bradford leading them to the Superbowl we could be kicking ourselves, but I’m not going to blame Snead then either. Considering the position they were in–I didn’t want to go through another season like that and certainly did not want to commit the money for Bradford. I was ready to move on and I think they did it in a very smart way.

The 2cd round choice next year made the deal and moving from round 5 to round 4 this year might be a big deal too. imo

I still wanna see what they do with the cap space. And I will need somebody to explain to me what cap usage can actually be ascribed to this trade.

zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:
what cap usage can actually be ascribed to this trade.

Depends on what you mean by that. They gained 13 M. Actually more like 11+ M because they also took on Foles’s cap hit. Is it possible to figure out which specific players they got or will get with that money? I doubt that’s possible. But in the end, when you tally it all up, they will have had 11 M more in cap space than if he had stayed. Is that decisive? I doubt it. Because along with taking on Foles’s 1+ M contract, they also took on his upcoming free agency. Right now starting qbs up for their 2nd contract get around 19 M. So either they don’t like Foles or that, more or less, is what they will have to pay to keep him.

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I understand there is really no way to figure this out.

But I can keep the whole matter under investigation in the media, various congressional sub-committees, and in the courts for a year or two. In the mean time, I can avoid taking a stand on the trade until the time at which I can judge it in hindsight while claiming I was right all along.

yes. i think all this talk about how they could have gotten a first rounder for bradford is just speculation. i know that chip kelly claimed this is what happened, but i have my doubts. i think they got the best deal they could have possibly gotten.

did i want to see bradford go? no. a healthy bradford clearly would be the preference. i don’t think it’s even close. but would i have been willing to gamble another season and that much money to see if bradford can stay healthy? no. and then worse. you end up with nothing in the end. now. they have foles (who has his own injury concerns albeit not as bad) and another second rounder next year. they hedged their bet. i see the logic. and i would have done the same thing. now bradford could stay healthy for another year and help the eagles reach the playoffs. as long as foles has a solid season, i think i can live with that. and even if all that happens, i have doubts that bradford can continue to stay healthy after that.

but the important thing is that foles has a solid year. and they use that second rounder next year wisely.

Zooey wrote:

In the mean time, I can avoid taking a stand on the trade until the time at which I can judge it in hindsight while claiming I was right all along.

You should post on message boards. Sounds like you are just right for them.

zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:
In the mean time, I can avoid taking a stand on the trade until the time at which I can judge it in hindsight while claiming I was right all along.

You should post on message boards. Sounds like you are just right for them.

I’m thinking about doing just that.

Man, I think I could dominate.

Yeah I’m good with it.

Absolutely, yes. Speaking right here and now.

Zooey wrote:

I still wanna see what they do with the cap space. And I will need somebody to explain to me what cap usage can actually be ascribed to this trade.

Zooey points out the primary caveat. What do they do with the money. But then, that is the point. They’re getting build-the-roster cap space. Yes, they have to use it well. But, the point is that they have a good chance to sign a coupla FAs.

The other major gain is a better bet on a healthy QB for the year. Of course, any QB can get hurt. But I like the odds with Foles a lot better than with Sam. So at QB we get a lower ceiling, but a higher chance of a pretty high floor.

This was the right trade to make.

Now, what do they do with the assets?

rfl wrote:

PS. About getting a #1 …

You get a #1 … OR …

You get a proven, starting QB.

You don’t get both!

Exactly. A number 1 draft pick and no proven starter equals a guaranteed bad season.

Good trade in my opinion because of Bradford’s injury history. We were giving him too much to take the chance on him if we could come away with a decent alternative. With this trade, we have a decent alternative.

rfl wrote:

PS. About getting a #1 …

You get a #1 … OR …

You get a proven, starting QB.

You don’t get both!

yeah. you and zooey both make excellent points. i guess for now i’ll say yes. but i think ultimately it comes down to how far the rams can go with foles as the starting qb. now obviously that’s not solely on foles. it will depend on the offensive line. the running game. the defense. and the front office. they’ve given themselves cap room and some extra picks to go along with nick. let’s hope they can make it all work.