the Seattle approach–what is the relative value of a great 2ndary v. a great DL

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July 26, 2015 at 4:49 pm #27603

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Great Defensive lines vs Great Secondaries: is having a great secondary more important to a great defense than having a great Dline?

1st seattle isn’t an example…seattle has fielded much more than just a solid secondary on defense, they’ve also fielded a very capable defensive line, and of course they have an all-pro, pro bowl mlb patrolling the field

here’s a look at at how defenses ranked in offensive points allowed (pts) last season – also included is how their secondaries ranked and how their defensive lines ranked (according to pff).

check out the browns, colts and broncos, highlighted in blue – their defenses ranked 16th, 17th, and 18th in offensive points allowed, nothing great, middle of the pack or worse, despite boasting secondaries that ranked 4th, 6th and 8th overall. so what’s the deal there if a top secondary is what is required to have defensive success in the “new nfl”?

well all you have to do is look at their defensive lines.

July 26, 2015 at 5:21 pm #27604

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Seahawks have Wilson at QB and Lynch at RB to extend drives. Their defense is incapable of winning without a well functioning offense.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

July 26, 2015 at 5:45 pm #27605

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bnw wrote:

Seahawks have Wilson at QB and Lynch at RB to extend drives. Their defense is incapable of winning without a well functioning offense.

Fwiw we just differ on that. To me, it’s that Wilson has Lynch and that defense.

July 26, 2015 at 6:26 pm #27606

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Seahawks have a special advantage at home,
for starters. That place is worth more
points than any other NFL venue, I’d say.

Seahawks have a top seven DLine.
And its no.3 in passrush, according to those Stats.
A solid 11th against the Run.

And of course we all know about the secondary.

Its one of the best defenses in History.
Especially given how the rules have tilted
things toward the offense. Its up there
with the Ravens and Bucs in the post-2000-era.

I am looking forward to seeing Foles
throw 7 TD’s against them in game one.

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July 26, 2015 at 6:47 pm #27607

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zn wrote:

bnw wrote:

Seahawks have Wilson at QB and Lynch at RB to extend drives. Their defense is incapable of winning without a well functioning offense.

Fwiw we just differ on that. To me, it’s that Wilson has Lynch and that defense.

Wilson keeps those drives alive more so than Lynch. That defense without Wilson leading the offense does not win the NFC.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

July 26, 2015 at 7:21 pm #27608

zn
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bnw wrote:

zn wrote:

bnw wrote:

Seahawks have Wilson at QB and Lynch at RB to extend drives. Their defense is incapable of winning without a well functioning offense.

Fwiw we just differ on that. To me, it’s that Wilson has Lynch and that defense.

Wilson keeps those drives alive more so than Lynch. That defense without Wilson leading the offense does not win the NFC.

Well in terms of third down conversions passing, Wilson/Seattle is actually 26th in the league, so I don’t know about that. (That’s conversion percentages.)

In terms of third down conversions rushing, Wilson is 31st in the league (again, percentages).

In terms of his comebacks, if you look at them, most of the time Seattle’s score leaves time on the clock for the other team to take the win back, but the D holds.

Just looking at 2014…blue = Wilson is a major factor, red = defense is the major factor in preserving a win.
Against Denver, it was overtime. Denver ties it in the 4th, and Seattle got the ball first in overtime. Lynch scores.
Good short passing game helps get them down the field.

Against Carolina, close game and Carolina had the ball last with 0.42 to go. But this one is on Wilson.

]Against the Giants, it was tied at the end of the 3rd. In the 4th, the first Seattle score in the 4th leading to a blowout comes after an INT. Michael/Turbin/Lynch dominate running on the go-ahead drive, Wilson is 0 for 1 on the drive but has one run for 11. End result, Seattle 38-17.Seattle scores three times and the Giants can do nothing.

Against St. Louis, same thing. Tied at the end of the third. Seattle scores twice, Rams do nothing against that defense. In the go-ahead drive at the top of the 4th, Wilson sets up a score hitting Norwood for 31. Cunningham fumbles one drive, Rams INT for 6 on another, Rams turn it over on downs on another.

Green Bay. Playoffs. Green Bay ties it, after several aborted efforts. Seattle gets the ball first in overtime. Wilson throws the 35 yarder to Kearse.

That’s just 2014. It’s clear from that Wilson contributes a lot to a team that is built to dominate in the 4th, but in 3 of the games the defense aggressively defends those leads, which are not late 4th quarter type comeback wins.

July 26, 2015 at 10:59 pm #27615

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Cherry pick comeback wins if you like but that doesn’t change what I’ve watched over the last two years. Seattle defense without Wilson at QB doesn’t win the NFC.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

July 26, 2015 at 11:20 pm #27617

zn
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bnw wrote:

Cherry pick comeback wins if you like but that doesn’t change what I’ve watched over the last two years. Seattle defense without Wilson at QB doesn’t win the NFC.

But I think there are more than a dozen qbs who would have the same results in Phil. Maybe even better. By way of comparison, Warner has fewer crucial comeback wins in his career because he sometimes had defenses that could not keep the other team from counter-scoring. Wilson does have that.
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