the election

“…The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively…”  Forbes

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The David Brooks piece in the NY Times is getting a lot of attention.

The problem with that entire argument is that it acts like the racism and sexism and transphobia etc of the Trump voter is just this superficial thing and they’re voting for their economic interests.

It’s bs. They’re voting AGAINST their economic interests.

They’re voting FOR their race, gender, cis, straight, anti-immigrant prejudices. That’s how they’re conned into voting against their economic interests.

It’s just another weak version of the “class is everything” argument claiming there is a working-class wisdom to the Trump vote. Well, no, and puke. If there;s any group of people who vote most blindly against their own economic interests it’s Trump voters.

The whole “class is everything” approach is invariably done wrong. Plus it has the added drawback of dividing the left. To me an actual, real class analysis of this election would focus on the ways in which Trump voters routinely vote directly against their own class interests.

Well, I am a doomer in part because i think a large amount of the working class will not and can not relate to a leftist economic argument.

For example, i have never forgotten the fact that Bernie was winning the Dem Primary — because the opposing forces were divided. But as soon as it got down to one — Biden — the voters picked Biden. For lots of reasons but the choice was stark. A lot of people like to talk about that election like the DNC cheated Bernie, but the voters knew what the diff was between Bernie and Biden. No-one twisted dem arms to get them to pick Biden.

I could go on about why, i agree a class analysis just bounces off DEMS, let alone Reps.

This is a long subject. Way too much for me to type.

I think the Left is fucked. And thus, so is the planet.

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zn wrote:

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This is a long subject. Way too much for me to type.

Yeah I hear ya. But this time it was kind of frustrating. Harris wasn’t even offering Bernie’s watered down social democracy stuff, she was offering solid, ordinary demand-side proposals (for example she knows that you create jobs by encouraging small businesses not big business). Not leftist stuff, just solid, ordinary centrist stuff. It’s not that people turned that down, per se, they never even heard about it. All they know is that with Harris, criminal Mongol invasion level woke immigrants hordes would be taking their guns so they could force “regular” people’s kids to turn trans.

Its hard for me to talk about this election because two (among others) things get conflated.
One — is Why did Kamala lose to Trump.
Two — why is the world ending.

They both interest me, but they both have their…nuances.

Generally, I’d guess Kamala lost because
1 there’s a slice of Racists on the Right.
2 there’s a slice of Misogynists on the Right.
3 Prices were high. I mean food costs are bad.
4 Personal Charisma. Trump has a ton. Kamala has negative 100.

Now. As to why and how the capitalist duopoly is ending the world…..

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3 Prices were high. I mean food costs are bad.

To be honest, for me, that’s the main one. Biden didn’t have charisma either and the millions of racists and sexists among Magas were the same in 2020, but Trump had a bad economy in 2020 so there was turnout for Biden.

As for the world ending, I have actual, real, and authoritative divine assurances that that won’t happen till after the Rams next super bowl win. So, things are fine.

I think high prices were the main one, too. Not the only one, but the main one.
Every Kamala ad on my internet leading up to the election was about that issue. But I suspect she was not believable. Biden seemed more believable. (I’m not saying “I” believed him)

Maybe Covid helped Biden, too, and hurt Trump. All the chaos.

If the Dems can win the House back in two years, maybe the world wont end quite as quickly.
I mean how much damage can the Reps do in two years 🙂

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Fwiw, I heard a blurb on a vid: “those making 50,000 dollars or less supported Trump. Those making 100,000 or more supported Kamala”

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