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  • #162080
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    It would also be nice if a boatload of Seahawk players demanded more money, now.

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    #162082
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    Seattle Seahawks vs. New England Patriots | 2025 Super Bowl LX

    #162083
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    The Riley Mills sack. At about the 1:40 mark of the vid.

    It was Aaron Donald-like.

    Or else the Pats Oline is horrendous.

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    #162084
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    The Riley Mills sack. At about the 1:40 mark of the vid.

    It was Aaron Donald-like.

    Or else the Pats Oline is horrendous.

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    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    Just watched all the Seattle defensive pressures against New England. Just a masterclass by the Seattle defense.
    New England had zero answers for anything. No hot adjustments. Maye looked lost. Even when he was able to avoid it his throws were poor. There was nothing easy in the pass game when NE was able to block up 4.
    One thing that stands out clearly is the speed of their defense. Even when rushing 4 the Seahawks defense played much faster and with more confidence. They’re more physical and forceful.
    Seattle was also showing man by running across with motions and then playing zone which confused the offense.

    #162086
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    Seattle’s defense looks absurdly-fast. They hit hard, but its mainly the speed that stands out when you watch them. And they are always in the right spot. Each player the perfect distance from his team-mates. Playing like one organism.

    And Stafford, McVay and the Rams offense torches them regularly.

    The NFC Championship in Seattle, really was the ‘super bowl.’

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    #162087
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    Rodrigue and Rosenthal

    #162090
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    17:10 mark of the Rodrigue vid above. Jourdan Rodrigue “costs the Rams the Super Bowl”.

    She did a show and Mike MacDonald ‘took notes’ on it and learned stuff…

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    #162091
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    Random things said on the internet
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    Calling Drake Maye “The Schedule” is some of the best slander I’ve heard in a minute
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    Worst Super Bowl for a guy named Drake since last year
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    The Seahawks are the first Super Bowl champion to go their entire postseason run without committing a turnover

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    Kyle Shanahan on NBC, asked about what makes the Seahawks so difficult: “I know you guys want my expert opinion, but I haven’t scored a TD on these guys the last two times I’ve seen them.”
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    Sam Darnold won a Super Bowl before Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, Baker Mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Brock Purdy and Joe Burrow.
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    Mike Tirico: “Cris, all of a sudden, there’s a rhythm to the New England offense…”

    Cris Collinsworth: “[Drake Maye] is reading the defense now… a couple of the best plays that he’s had so far…”

    *Interception*

    Collinsworth: “Ummmm, I’ve got nothing for you here.”
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    #162092
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    The impressive thing about the Seahawk defense this year (and the Eagles last year) is it was done in this era where the rule changes all favor the offense. I mean this is not the era of Doomsday Defenses or Steel Curtains or Fearsome Foursomes or Purple Gangs or Gang-Greens.

    Last year the Chiefs Oline looked overmatched. Pats Oline looked overmatched this year.

    Maybe the Oline is important in foot ball.

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    #162093
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    Adam Schefter pointed out, “Russell Wilson helped Seattle win their first Super Bowl, and he helped them win this one”

    The Wilson trade got Seattle:
    1st Rd pick: LT Charles Cross
    2nd Rd pick: OLB B. Mofe
    1st Rd pick: CB Devin Witherspoon
    2nd Rd pick: OLB D.Hall

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    #162094
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    Maybe the Oline is important in foot ball.

    After all these years, I am slowly and reluctantly–against bitter internal opposition–coming to see it that way.

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    The 33rd Team@The33rdTeamFB
    The Patriots allowed a sack on 14.8% of their dropbacks in the postseason

    Among 181 teams to play multiple games in a single postseason since 2000, that sack rate ranked 179th

    #162098
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    Jalen Hurtz and Sam Darnold have won the last two Rings. The PFF boys were noting that you dont need a Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow to win a Super Bowl. You need a complete team.

    The Rams are awfully close to being a complete team. A couple guys in the secondary. A reliable return guy on special teams.

    Seattle, LA, and the 49ers just might be the three most complete teams in the NFL next year.

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    #162102
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    The 33rd Team@The33rdTeamFB
    The Patriots allowed a sack on 14.8% of their dropbacks in the postseason

    Among 181 teams to play multiple games in a single postseason since 2000, that sack rate ranked 179th

    So Drake Maye should have won the MVP because of what he accomplished behind that line, is what I hear you saying.

    #162104
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    Barnwell’s post-super bowl article:
    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47871743/seahawks-win-super-bowl-patriots-2026-recap-barnwell-defense-walker-darnold

    Super Bowl LX: How the Seahawks shut down the Patriots

    NFL teams with young players in key positions dread the unexpected. With two weeks of preparation between the conference championship games and the Super Bowl, veteran coaching staffs like the one in New England are going to be able to break down tape and prepare second-year quarterback Drake Maye for everything the Seahawks have shown on film, especially from their past few weeks of football. I have no doubt that Maye and his offensive brain trust had answers for what they expected from the Seahawks on Sunday, but knowing what the Seahawks are going to do and beating it are two separate things.

    Just when Maye thought he had the answers, Seattle coach Mike Macdonald changed the questions. The Seahawks brought a devastating wrinkle into their defensive game plan. And while Seattle probably would have been good enough to win the game without it, the unexpected look saved for the biggest game of the year tormented the Patriots, producing chaotic moments for New England’s offense before topping things off with a defensive touchdown.

    A more experienced quarterback or one with better protection might have had the wherewithal and time to adapt quickly. Maye did not, and the Patriots were flummoxed by something the Seahawks hadn’t shown on tape in nearly two months. The end result: Seahawks 29, Patriots 13. Let’s make sense of what happened in Super Bowl LX.

    The Witherspoon pressure wrinkle

    I have no problems with Seattle running back Kenneth Walker III winning MVP in this game, but I would have been happier to see Devon Witherspoon take home the hardware for what he did on defense. The Seahawks cornerback was excellent in coverage and made a number of splash plays, including the one that helped create Seattle’s game-sealing defensive touchdown in the second half.

    To get there, Macdonald broke with an established tendency and showed the Patriots something they either weren’t expecting or severely underestimated. During the regular season, the Seahawks blitzed only 20.7% of the time, the fifth-lowest rate in the NFL. On Sunday, that number actually dropped to 15.1% — but it was heavily split by half. Macdonald blitzed Maye 33.3% of the time in the first half before dialing it back and sending extra rushers just 8% of the time after the break.

    What’s more important than the general blitz rate, though, is which player the Seahawks sent after the quarterback. Witherspoon is an excellent blitzer and physical force around the line of scrimmage, but Macdonald had held off on using him to get after the quarterback. The third-year pro had rushed the quarterback just 33 times across 12 regular-season games. More recently, Witherspoon hadn’t been sent on a single blitz in Seattle’s past four games, covering the final two regular-season contests and Seattle’s wins over the 49ers and Rams in the postseason.

    In the Super Bowl, though, Witherspoon rushed Maye seven times, with one being wiped out by an offside penalty on a teammate. His other six pass-rush snaps produced one sack and what was really a strip sack on a second, only for the ball to stay in the air as it flew into the hands of Uchenna Nwosu for what went down as a pick-six. Those pressures didn’t single-handedly win Seattle the game, but they created big plays and seemingly got into Maye’s head for the entirety of the contest.

    Let’s start with the first Witherspoon blitz of the game. The Patriots were facing a third-and-9 in the first quarter from the Seattle 44-yard line. Even a few yards here might put the Pats in position to attempt a long field goal. Macdonald was incentivized to produce a negative play or an outright stop to force a punt, and the Seattle coach dialed up one of the more exotic pressures the Seahawks have shown all season:… see link for rest of article

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    #162110
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    This guy is just-plain-likeable. I’m sorry.

    #162111
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    This guy is just-plain-likeable. I’m sorry.

    Right. And I suppose Mike Martz wasn’t?

    (Kidding. Martz wasn’t.)

    #162115
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    Barnwell, Golic

    #162117
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    The NFC Championship game should’ve been played in LA.

    I’m still bitter about that failed 2-point conversion that was overturned in Seattle.

    That play was blown dead, players were lining up for the ensuing kickoff and then the failed 2 point conversion was overturned by the league.

    You can’t award 2 points on a dead play like that.

    #162118
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    The NFC Championship game should’ve been played in LA.

    I’m still bitter about that failed 2-point conversion that was overturned in Seattle.

    That play was blown dead, players were lining up for the ensuing kickoff and then the failed 2 point conversion was overturned by the league.

    You can’t award 2 points on a dead play like that.

    Yeah, I think we would be celebrating a Rams SB Championship right now if not for that reversal.

    Of course, they also could have tackled Shaheed on the punt return, and they would have won the game. Etc.

    And referees and lucky bounces are all part of the game, etc. But I will remember this season as a “lost” championship, a missed opportunity, and I think that two-point play will stick with that memory over the long run. It’s hard to win, and when the Rams have the opportunity, I think it’s better if they cash in on it. They’ve fallen short by inches several times over the last 60 years. Add this season to the list.

    #162119
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    The NFC Championship game should’ve been played in LA.
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    Indeed.

    Rams and Seahawks are cofavorites to win the Ring next year.

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    #162120
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    Ernest called Puka a ‘goofy ass’ ?

    #162121
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    Ernest called Puka a ‘goofy ass’ ?

    in fairness to ernest, puka is a goofy ass….

    ernest was just being…. earnest.

    i like puka though. i just think this is something one has to deal with when dealing with puka.

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    #162124
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    ernest was just being…. earnest.

    Which is important.

    #162125
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    in fairness to ernest, puka is a goofy ass….

    ernest was just being…. earnest.

    i like puka though. i just think this is something one has to deal with
    when dealing with puka.

    Ya know, Invader, if we still had a Zine, I would insist that post be zeened.

    This may be the best post of the season.

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    #162127
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    Ya know, Invader, if we still had a Zine, I would insist that post be zeened.

    This may be the best post of the season.

    InvaderRam wrote:
    ernest was just being…. earnest.

    Which is important.

    i think zooey just stole my thunder.

    #162132
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    Adam Archuleta@AdamArchuleta
    I’ve rewatched the Super Bowl a few times now. One thing that stood out:

    – Seattle used a lot of different motions and formations that specifically clouded the keys, reads and responsibilities of the New England defense.
    – I had to watch some plays multiple times to make sure what the proper rules and keys needed to be to defend certain plays.
    – Several times I said to myself, “Man, that’s tough” because of the conflicts.
    – I didn’t see much of this from New England’s offense, with very few adjustments. I don’t see how you can expect to beat a defense as fast, physical, and instinctual as Seattle’s without attempting to change the picture and put them in conflicts.
    – Some offenses motion just to motion, but the good ones understand defensive rules and keys that are specific to that defense.
    – I don’t think you can be a mostly static offense and consistently beat good disciplined defense in todays game.
    – every time they tried to run it – the Seahawks ran the same weak side B gap blitz! They stuffed it before they even got started. Patriots didn’t start to counter with perimeter runs in 2nd Half – weird game.
    – On multiple Witherspoon blitzes, Patriots actually had it blocked up, but his time up, speed and athleticism beat the protection. One of the best blitzing days I’ve seen

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    Scott Kacsmar@ScottKacsmar
    Seattle absolutely did not throttle good teams all season.

    They beat up the 49ers at the end of the year and the Patriots in the SB.

    That’s it.

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