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  • #99715
    TSRF
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    I was tailgated this morning by a punk in a jeep with a big old ragged American Flag flying from the back. When we got up to the light, I was going right and he was going straight, so he passed me. Clean cut, 30-something wearing sunglasses and blasting headbanger music. Bunch of Trump bumper stickers, including a “Build that F’n Wall” one. To me, he just reeked of hate. Saw another of his ilk last week on I-95 in MA. Same deal; clean cut, sunglasses. Are these the 21st century version of the Brown Shirts?

    Then the story below… Seems to me that we’re headed for one big shit show if the baby in command gets voted out…

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/06/politics/ilhan-omar-new-york-threat/index.html

    New York man charged with threatening to assault and kill Rep. Ilhan Omar

    (CNN) — A New York man is in custody after having been arrested and charged with threatening to assault and murder Rep. Ilhan Omar, according to the US Attorney’s Office for the Western District of New York.

    Patrick W. Carlineo, Jr., 55, of Addison, New York, threatened to kill Omar because of her Muslim faith, according to a criminal complaint and accompanying affidavit.

    Omar, a Minnesota Democrat, is one of the first two Muslim women serving in Congress after being elected in the 2018 midterms.

    A call was placed to Omar’s Washington, DC, office on March 21, an FBI agent stated in the affidavit.

    During the call, an individual, who identified himself as Pat Carlineo, said to a staff member: “Do you work for the Muslim Brotherhood? Why are you working for her, she’s a (expletive) terrorist. I’ll put a bullet in her (expletive) skull.”

    Omar’s office referred the threat to the US Capitol Police, which began an investigation with the FBI.

    Carlineo sounded angry during the call but provided the spelling of his name and contact information, the affidavit said.

    He was later interviewed by authorities where he stated that he was a patriot, that he loves President Donald Trump, and “that he hates radical Muslims in our government,” the affidavit stated.

    He had initially claimed he had told Omar’s office, “If our forefathers were still alive, they’d put a bullet in her head.”

    When shown an email with the quote from the call regarding calling Omar a “terrorist” and threatening to kill her, Carlineo first replied that is not what he had said, according to the affidavit.

    He later admitted to authorities he may have said something like that but was unsure.

    Carlineo made an initial appearance Friday before a US magistrate judge and is being held pending a detention hearing next Wednesday, according to the Elmira Star Gazette newspaper.

    CNN has reached out to both a lawyer representing Carlineo and a friend for comment.

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) of New York suggested that the rhetoric of Trump has “emboldened bigots” to act.

    “The political environment, led by an Islamophobe in the White House, has normalized hate speech and emboldened bigots in their actions,” CAIR-NY executive director Afaf Nasher said in a statement Saturday. “The rising threat of Islamophobia and white supremacy must be taken seriously. We are thankful that law enforcement tracked this individual down before he could act on his hatred for Muslims.”

    Trump, in his first two years in office, implemented a travel ban, blocking Syrian refugees and restricting foreign nationals from a handful of majority Muslim countries from entering the US. He also retweeted in 2017 three inflammatory videos from a British far-right account rife with anti-Muslim content.

    Omar has drawn controversy for several of her comments since coming to Congress. After Omar said that support for Israel was motivated by donations from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, several House Democratic leaders called the comments anti-Semitic and offensive. She later apologized. She also drew criticism when she later said pro-Israel lobbyists pushed members of Congress to pledge “allegiance to a foreign country.”

    Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, another Muslim woman in Congress, came to Omar’s defense last month after the comments, suggesting that Islamophobia played a part in the Democratic condemnations of Omar’s comments.

    CORRECTION: This story has been updated to correct the state Omar represents.

    CNN’s Nick Neville, Polo Sandoval, Veronica Stracqualursi contributed to this report.

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    #99719
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    Well yeah, there’s all that kind of thing. The Maga crowd.

    But then its way worse than that. I wish that was the only problem.

    But there’s the other crowd. The folks who had no problem with Obama droning people to death and continuing the whole corporate-imperial death-project.

    Put them two groups together and you have 90 percent of the American voting public.

    I keep going back to the marx quote about Capitalism making people ignorant.

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    #99720
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    New York man charged with threatening to assault and kill Rep. Ilhan Omar

    Bunch of Trump bumper stickers, including a “Build that F’n Wall” one. To me, he just reeked of hate. Saw another of his ilk last week on I-95 in MA. Same deal; clean cut, sunglasses. Are these the 21st century version of the Brown Shirts?

    Yeah there’s lots of this kind of thing going around.

    It’s a symptom of the decade and all I can think of is, seek solace from allies and hang in there.

    #99727
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Yeah there’s lots of this kind of thing going around.

    It’s a symptom of the decade and all I can think of is, seek solace from allies and hang in there.

    The breadth of this kind of thinking is the most disturbing realization to me.

    I guess I assumed that most people are not “personally” racist beyond the indoctrination of racial stereotyping, but I am stunned by how wide racial resentment actually is, and how many people are now exposing themselves whereas before DJT, they politely kept quiet about it.

    I officially do not want to live in the USA anymore. I currently have no alternative, and I am also held back by the recognition that people suck everywhere because Americans aren’t any different genetically than anybody else. Our culture is fucked up, and it promotes some of the uglier aspects of humanity than cultures past and present that have benefited from the inculcation of collective values…the Other rather than the Self…but there are racist assholes everywhere you go.

    The human need to tribalize supersedes everything anyway. If it’s not race, it’s religion. If it’s not religion, it’s politics. If it’s not politics, it’s diet, or fashion, or musical preference, or football.

    There is just nowhere to go. People hate each other for no decent reason whatsoever.

    Just gotta hang in there, as you say, find allies, and build. There is no other decent response.

    #99735
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    I officially do not want to live in the USA anymore. I currently have no alternative….

    There is just nowhere to go. People hate each other for no decent reason whatsoever…

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    Well I say, we join Sauron.

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    #99737
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    It’s true. People with ugly hearts are everywhere. And though I’d leave in a second if I could afford it, I don’t have any illusions about unicorns and rainbows overseas, either. I know there is no perfect place or place in time.

    Psychologically, though, I think it would be healthier to live in a country that isn’t Hegemon. To live in a non-warmongering nation, where life is measured differently. Friendships, family, love, great food, intellectual pursuits, great art, etc. etc. That, as opposed to how much money we make, and how hard we work until we drop dead.

    Politically, the best location for me would likely be Scandinavia, though the Nordic countries have had their share of right-of-center governments too, and aren’t “socialist,” as I’d wish. But the cold!! Brrrrr!!

    So it’s probably the South of France for me. My tour of France in 2007 knocked me out. It’s a cultural candy store, and for that reason alone, it would be worth the move. No illusions about their war-filled, colonial past, and its remnants still. But compared to here, now? Would love to live in Nîmes, especially.

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