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June 15, 2016 at 6:29 am #46181bnwBlocked
the mentally disturbed Orlando mass murderer was on SSRI antidepressants?
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June 15, 2016 at 8:05 pm #46251MackeyserModeratorPossible, but unlikely.
The facts are becoming increasingly clear that he was either a closeted gay man or someone with strong gay inclinations due to actuating on gay impulses such as not only installing gay dating apps, but frequenting gay bars and communicating with gay men via the gay dating apps. We don’t know if he hooked up via these apps, but he had three different gay dating apps on his phone, Grindr, Adam4Adam and a third which I don’t recall.
So, the killer was very likely either a closeted gay man or someone with strong gay inclinations who suffered with massive homophobia. That isn’t uncommon for men who can’t accept their own sexuality and this wouldn’t be the first time an attack on LGBT persons has been because of a self-hating person who projects their hate onto others who are like themselves.
That old adage, “that which we hate in others, we hate most in ourselves” is most true. It’s most definitely been true in the past for perpetrators of hate crimes. That’s not to say that all perpetrators of hate crimes come from that group. Not remotely. However, it is true for some and it seems to be what happened in this instance.
How do we prevent this? We have to make inroads with Fundamentalists so that they understand that blanket intolerance foments this. This man who likely was gay had nowhere to turn in his community (or at least didn’t think he did), so he hated himself and everyone who was like him as he was told to.
No, I don’t think this will be about SSRI antidepressants.
I think this will be an indictment of any form of fundamentalism, especially religious fundamentalism. We’ve seen killings like this from Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim and even Buddhist fundamentalists. It’s not about any particular religion. It’s about the fundamentalists who create and foster intolerance.
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June 15, 2016 at 8:19 pm #46253wvParticipantFwiw, in the video the young lady-victim-witness, said he repeatedly said
he was killing people because the US Government was bombing his country.Fwiw.
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vJune 15, 2016 at 9:21 pm #46261MackeyserModeratorI know. And what he said was incoherent.
If he was a true jihadi, then the question of if the people were black or not wouldn’t have meant a damn thing considering they’ve bombed mosques before. There’s NO WAY that he’s sparing African Americans because “they’ve suffered enough” if he’s a true jihadi.
We just have too much data for this to fly.
Now, people who WANT to believe this will. He’s the right color and religion and he said the magic words, so GUILTY!!! LET’S GO TO WAR!!! LET’S GIVE UP MORE OF OUR RIGHTS!!!
It’s just not true is all.
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June 15, 2016 at 10:25 pm #46263znModeratorFwiw, in the video the young lady-victim-witness, said he repeatedly said
he was killing people because the US Government was bombing his country.Fwiw.
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vPoliticized mass shooters or bombers have an explicit history where they connect with others if the same ilk, read, talk, and so on. That;s true of the Boston bombers. You can do it with Roof–it was not hard to find his internet involvement with white supremacists, and his identification with the old Rhodesian flag, and so on. There’s nothing like this with this guy. He goes from hey I am in Hezbollah to hey I like ISIS because the USA is bombing Afghanistan (???) (with no mention of the Taliban) and etc. Yeah he said stuff during the shooting, but like…he has no history or record of involvement with these issues, but no he resents the USA in Afghanistan, you know the country of his father who moved to the USA (???), and…so he attacks an Orlando gay bar? (???) (???) (Yeah see I personally identify with the Comanche because Canada is too close to Greenland, and for that reason I am phoning the local laundromat 10 times a day and hanging up on them.)
Juan Cole summed it up nicely:
Unbalanced, disturbed young Christian Americans who want to act out power fantasies that end in murder-suicide tend to claim a KKK, neo-Nazi, Christian fundamentalist or other white-nationalist identity in a desperate bid to make their loser lives and loser behavior seem cosmically important…. Muslim American young men with similar power fantasies and violent impulses inflate their egos with reference to al-Qaeda, ISIL, whatever the far right fringe Muslim boogey man of the day is.
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Salafi Jihadis belong to a fringe interpretation of Sunni Islam and despise Shiites; they don’t typically claim to have an affiliation with a Shiite group such as Hizbullah, which is fighting ISIL in Syria. (Here “typically” means, like, “ever.”)
Top 7 ways to tell if Someone is lying about being a ‘Salafi Jihadi’
June 16, 2016 at 7:23 am #46275bnwBlockedI just head a report on the radio that said Mateen went on Facebook during the standoff and blamed the wicked ways of the west for his actions. Since queers are in every culture it is obvious AGAIN that he was a terrorist. I’ll bet his trips to Saudi Arabia were instrumental in his radicalization.
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June 17, 2016 at 2:52 am #46402MackeyserModeratorSports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
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