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October 5, 2021 at 12:15 pm #132794
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ParticipantSo is the defense just missing some pieces, some talent
and the DC is getting the most out of them
that can be got?Or is the new DC ( the one McVay hand-picked) just
ruining a squad stacked with talent?Is there such a thing as a good NFL-Defense
anymore?w
vOctober 5, 2021 at 12:28 pm #132796Zooey
ModeratorAll I know is that they never should have let Hacksaw Reynolds go.
October 5, 2021 at 3:07 pm #132799zn
ModeratorI think they need to trade Donald and Ramsey for some kind of elite, high end talent type of player.
October 5, 2021 at 4:35 pm #132803wv
ParticipantAre they blitzing less this year? Seems like they
are sitting back more, playing a softer,
bend-but-dont-break scheme. Yes? No?And if so, why?
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vOctober 5, 2021 at 5:03 pm #132804Zooey
ModeratorSeems to me that they are playing more zone this year, and that last year, they played more man-to-man, and they were better last year.
Seems to me that the safe bet is that both the scheme and the personnel are partly responsible. Clearly, Johnson is much better than Rapp. Hill is better than Long.
I dunno any more than that.
October 5, 2021 at 5:48 pm #132805zn
ModeratorAre they blitzing less this year? Seems like they
are sitting back more, playing a softer,
bend-but-dont-break scheme. Yes? No?And if so, why?
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vI think they are blitzing more this year.
October 5, 2021 at 7:02 pm #132807joemad
Participanti’m not sure what Raheem’s strategy is….
he seems to use blitzes as a tactic in panic mode… i see no real adjustments nor consistent approach on defense from the Rams………… Morris certainly didn’t do anything different in the 2nd half of the Cardinal game….defense seemed to get worse….
I’m worried about this DC… he’s certainly no Brandon Staley, that’s for damn sure.
October 5, 2021 at 8:15 pm #132808InvaderRam
ModeratorI’m worried about this DC… he’s certainly no Brandon Staley, that’s for damn sure.
well. i don’t know either. i was lurking over at the herd. and some posters were saying that staley would just sit back in coverage too… that’s what i seem to remember too.
the biggest difference in the defense i see is that the coverage isn’t as tight. short passes seem to turn into long gains. and the tackling is atrocious. i thought that burgess would claim one of the starting safety spots and instead the rams have rapp. that should have been a telling sign. if you’re going to play bend but don’t break, you better have solid tackling. that’s what they had last year. this year the tackling has been weak. once they catch the ball take them to the ground. instead it’s short catch and then a scamper for 10 yards.
October 5, 2021 at 8:44 pm #132809zn
ModeratorIMO? Morris doesn’t scheme for them and prep them the way Staley did. It’s partly that it’s not his defense. It may partly be that Morris has never had a strong defense where he was either the DC or the HC with a defensive orientation. It may be that Morris is McVay’s Marmie.
I also know that according to PFF stats, Donald had one of the worst games of his career the other day:
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Aaron Donald had a @PFF pass-rushing grade of 51.5 against the Cardinals, the lowest of his career.What else? Well among other things, Arizona knew how to pick on Long. The Rams run D in general is poor, which hurts everything else too (they’re 27th in yards per attempt allowed).
It could be that Morris isn’t moving too fast when facing the double whammy of both coaching a team he doesn;t know and that doesn’t know him, while also learning a scheme that is not his.
I will say this though–the Rams were disappointing all around on Sunday, and that’s an old pattern. They have sometimes underperformed the week after getting it up to beat either a tough opponent or a team they want to beat bad (like the Patz last year).
Here’s that pattern:
They beat Tampa on the road last year then lost to SF the following week.
They beat the Patz decisively last year then lost to the Jets the following week.
In 2019 they beat Chicago to make up for the 2018 loss to them, and then the following week were no-shows against Baltimore.Those are just some games that come to mind. It’s a pattern we’ve seen before and I don’t like it much.
October 5, 2021 at 9:32 pm #132810InvaderRam
ModeratorWhat else? Well among other things, Arizona knew how to pick on Long.
yeah. long got spanked.
October 6, 2021 at 12:38 am #132817zn
ModeratorDeadpool
this isn’t all on Morris
top defenses, for one reason or another, usually see a drop-off the next season. don’t believe me? here you go: [www.pff.com: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-regression-offense-los-angeles-rams-skeptical-2021 ]
So some of this was expected I guess.
The other issue that’s out of Morris’ hands is personnel change. JJ3 was incredible in this defense and Hill was so much better than Long. Fuller will be fine, but Rapp is a big nickel, not a split zone safety. I was really hoping Burgess would grab that other safety spot.
lastly, wth is up with Williams. last year he gave up 34 catches on 68 attempts. this year, he has already given up 20 receptions on 29 attempts. he’s on pace to see 4 times the amount of passes he saw last season.
it’s hard to say it’s Morris’ scheme messing with him when Ramsey is still the 5th ranked CB.
What I think Morris could get better at is disguising the coverage presnap. And he has to generate a pass rush somehow. these dbs cannot cover forever. And by that, I mean he is going to have to scheme a pass rush, given this team’s lack of pass rush talent.
Lastly, Kenny Young is not a starting ILB. But for whatever reason, this is the best the Rams can do. so the run defense will struggle with him in there. The answer? Right now there isn’t one. But I’m hoping Earnest Jones can win that job sooner than later.
So I’m in the camp of “it’s multiple issues, not just the coach or not just the players”.
1 thing I know for sure: Williams needs to step his game up or Morris needs to do a better job of putting Williams in a better position to play better. After that, I think the D will be ok.
October 6, 2021 at 12:39 pm #132822wv
ParticipantWell, the Seattle game will be interesting. If Russell Wilson
and the Hawks eviscerate them the way the Cards did,
its gonna be a disappointing year.The NFC doesnt have a super-team, so no team looks unbeatable.
Wouldnt surprise me if a team like Dallas gets hot at the end
of the year.w
vOctober 6, 2021 at 12:51 pm #132823Zooey
ModeratorWell, the Seattle game will be interesting. If Russell Wilson
and the Hawks eviscerate them the way the Cards did,
its gonna be a disappointing year.The NFC doesnt have a super-team, so no team looks unbeatable.
Wouldnt surprise me if a team like Dallas gets hot at the end
of the year.w
vWill you switch your allegiance from Seattle to Dallas if that happens?
October 6, 2021 at 1:42 pm #132825InvaderRam
ModeratorSo I’m in the camp of “it’s multiple issues, not just the coach or not just the players”.
that was a good post. thanks for that.
i hope the rams find a way to sign gilmore.
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October 6, 2021 at 3:18 pm #132830wv
ParticipantWill you switch your allegiance from Seattle to Dallas if that happens?
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Possibly, but Nittany and I are still on the
Vikings bandwagon at the moment.w
vOctober 7, 2021 at 6:05 pm #132843zn
ModeratorWe should find out some more about this defense tonight. We’ve seen games where the Rams D has handled Seattle, even in years with losing seasons, and we have seen games where they did not handle Seattle. I just have a feeling that tonight we get a snapshot of how the defense will be this year.
October 7, 2021 at 6:19 pm #132844wv
ParticipantWe should find out some more about this defense tonight. We’ve seen games where the Rams D has handled Seattle, even in years with losing seasons, and we have seen games where they did not handle Seattle. I just have a feeling that tonight we get a snapshot of how the defense will be this year.
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Yeah.
And if nothing else, win or lose, we need to see some Fire out of this team.
After a complete butt-kicking, one would think a top-tier team
would at least come out with a lot of fire against another division rival.Looks like every western division game is gonna be a war for
each team from here on out.w
vOctober 8, 2021 at 6:53 am #132871nittany ram
Moderator#Rams 2021 vs. 2020 defenses through five games pic.twitter.com/9gnNnbXedW
— JAKE ELLENBOGEN (@JKBOGEN) October 8, 2021
October 8, 2021 at 9:48 am #132876Zooey
ModeratorStatistically, the Rams were better on D last season through Week 5, clearly.
Their 4 wins, however, were all against the NFC East, the worst division in football, and they lost to the only team that had a winning record.
This season, their 4 victories are all against playoff teams from last season. Just on the basis of difficulty of schedule, you would expect the D to give up more in this stretch than they did last year.
And now a soft stretch for the Rams. Maybe we can invite Nittany back in 4 weeks to post again, once he’s finished serving his suspension.
October 8, 2021 at 2:02 pm #132901nittany ram
ModeratorStatistically, the Rams were better on D last season through Week 5, clearly.
Their 4 wins, however, were all against the NFC East, the worst division in football, and they lost to the only team that had a winning record.
This season, their 4 victories are all against playoff teams from last season. Just on the basis of difficulty of schedule, you would expect the D to give up more in this stretch than they did last year.
And now a soft stretch for the Rams. Maybe we can invite Nittany back in 4 weeks to post again, once he’s finished serving his suspension.
I wasn’t suspended. I’m a Covid inactive.
The biggest diff between this year and last year is the play of the secondary. I think they miss JJ and Hill. They also played a lot more man coverage last year. D Williams excelled at that. He hasn’t really distinguished himself in the soft zone approach they use now.
October 8, 2021 at 2:16 pm #132902nittany ram
ModeratorMaybe they should bring Bud Carson on board as a consultant.
October 9, 2021 at 10:09 am #132921zn
ModeratorMaybe they should bring Bud Carson on board as a consultant.
Is Morris Giunta? Or Marmie?
Inquiring analogy addicts want to know.
October 9, 2021 at 10:16 am #132922nittany ram
ModeratorMaybe they should bring Bud Carson on board as a consultant.
Is Morris Giunta? Or Marmie?
Inquiring analogy addicts want to know.
He’s a little bit of both. He’s Giumie.
October 9, 2021 at 5:24 pm #132936Herzog
ParticipantFuck this soft zone
October 9, 2021 at 5:46 pm #132937Zooey
ModeratorFuck this soft zone
‘Zine it.
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