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December 18, 2023 at 8:35 am #147618znModerator
The Rams are 4-point favorites over the Saints in this Thursday's pivotal matchup https://t.co/k4xrxTb7Ta
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) December 18, 2023
December 18, 2023 at 5:05 pm #147631wvParticipantBiggest game since the super bowl, i guess.
Lets hope the refs dont make any mistakes that cost the saints the game 🙂
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December 18, 2023 at 8:34 pm #147641ZooeyModeratorBiggest game since the super bowl, i guess. Lets hope the refs dont make any mistakes that cost the saints the game 🙂 w v
December 19, 2023 at 10:27 am #147643ZooeyModeratorThis isn’t great.
December 19, 2023 at 11:01 am #147644wvParticipantWell, they’ve been in this position before haven’t they — 6-6, huge game against Ravens in Baltimore.
Now, 7-7, huge game against New Orleans. This one certainly seems more do-able but, i guess we shall see.
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tidbits on the saints, fwiw.
“The defensive backs, even without Marshon Lattimore, are the class of the team. We have come to expect high quality play from Paulson Adebo in this breakout season, but Isaac Yiadom has also stepped up immensely. Jordan Howden had another quality game, as did Tyrann Mathieu. The amount of talent in that room is endless. — Jeremy Trottier
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“This was another big game for Alvin Kamara, who made plays on the ground and through the air; he led the team in yardage both as a rusher (66) and as a receiver (44). His efforts put him over 1,000 scrimmage yards this season for the seventh time in his pro career, which set a new Saints franchise record. He’s a critically important part of the offense. — John Sigler
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“..Both receiver Michael Thomas and defensive back Marshon Lattimore are eligible to return off injured reserve this week against the Los Angeles Rams, but it doesn’t sound like either of the New Orleans Saints stars will be available.
“They’re both in the rehab process … I can’t tell you exactly where they’re at,” Saints coach Dennis Allen said. “I don’t expect the practice window to open, so we’ll just keep going through the rehab process and see how it goes.”
Asked whether either would be able to return at some point during the Saints’ final three regular-season games, Allen said, “I’m hopeful, but I really don’t know the answer to that right now.”
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“…The Rams have had a surprisingly lackluster pass rush, getting opposing quarterbacks on the ground just 2.2 times per game. While the Saints offensive line was bad early in the year, they’ve somehow made their way to 8th in the league in sacks allowed per game,..”
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“While the Rams defensive numbers are middle of the pack, they’re 11th in the league in red zone touchdown percentage allowed at 51.28%. On the flip side, the Saints are right at 50% in the red zone this season, but over their last three games, that number has jumped to an astonishing 90% (maybe they need to keep putting Jimmy Graham in when they get inside the 20).”
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December 19, 2023 at 11:31 am #147645nittany ramModeratorThis isn’t great.
What a surprise, Noteboom is hurt.
McVay has already said that Havenstein, Tutu, and Witherspoon will play against the Saints.
December 19, 2023 at 12:41 pm #147646ZooeyModeratorMcVay has already said that Havenstein, Tutu, and Witherspoon will play against the Saints.
He didn’t say anything to me about it.
December 19, 2023 at 4:53 pm #147656nittany ramModeratorMcVay has already said that Havenstein, Tutu, and Witherspoon will play against the Saints.
He didn’t say anything to me about it.
Apparently you’re not part of McVay’s ‘circle of trust’ like some of us.
December 20, 2023 at 9:43 pm #147703znModeratorAre the @Saints destined to land atop the NFC South? 🤔 pic.twitter.com/MnvfQgVg4A
— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) December 21, 2023
December 20, 2023 at 9:52 pm #147705znModeratorJAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENThe best 5 QBs the Saints have played against have been Trevor Lawrence, CJ Stroud, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield and Jordan Love. The Saints lost all 5 of those games. Here are the QBs they beat:
Ryan Tannehill
Bryce Young x2
Mac Jones
Gardner Minshew
Tyson Bagent
Tommy DeVitoDecember 20, 2023 at 10:59 pm #147706znModeratorRams O: 8th in yards, 9th in points, 10th in YPA passing, 8th in YPC running
Rams D: 18th in yards, 19th in points, 14th in YPA passing, 15th in YPC running, 29th in pressure %
Saints O: 14th in yards, 12th in points, 17th in YPA passing, 29th in YPC running
Saints D: 11th in yards, 6th in points, 5th in YPA passing, 27th in YPC running, 20th in pressure %
Saints can neither run very well nor stop the run very well.
To give some perspective, since the bye Rams have put up 30+ points each on these 2 defenses:
Browns: 1st in yards, 11th in points, 2nd in YPA passing, 12th in YPC running, 5th in pressure %
Ravens: 2nd in yards, 1st in points, 1st in YPA passing, 21st in YPC running, 26th in pressure %
December 20, 2023 at 11:07 pm #147708znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothersThe Saints are allowing 131.5 rushing yards per game, which is 26th overall. Kyren Williams just so happens to average 131 rushing yards per game in his last 5 startsDecember 21, 2023 at 9:12 am #147711znModerator2023 NFL season, Week 16: Four things to watch for in Saints-Rams on Prime Video
The Saints and Rams meet Thursday night at SoFi Stadium, with both teams playing pretty good football. The Rams have won four of five. The Saints have won two straight comfortably. As it currently stands, the Rams hold the seventh and final playoff spot, while the Saints are the second team out of the mix in the ninth overall position in the conference.
Through 15 weeks, both teams are all square at 7-7 and in desperate need of a victory to get firm up postseason positioning.
For the Rams, there might be slightly more on the line in this game. A loss won’t end their chances, but they can only get in as a wild card, with San Francisco sewing up the NFC West last week. As of Tuesday, Next Gen Stats gave the Rams a 52% chance of making the playoffs heading into the game. A win increases it to 73%, but a loss would knock them down to 15%.
New Orleans can still win its division. The Saints remain even with the Buccaneers, record-wise, in the quest of an NFC South title, although the Bucs currently hold the head-to-head tiebreaker prior to their Week 17 meeting in Tampa. Although the Saints currently have a lesser postseason chance (41%) than the Rams, this game carries less relative weight, with a win raising their likelihood to 70% and a loss dropping them to 24%.
Both teams know how fortunate they are to be in this position to fight for the playoffs. The Rams went into their bye at 3-6. The Saints had to win their past two just to have a chance. The winner receives a potentially huge head-to-head tiebreaker in the wild-card race, too.
Here are four things to watch for when the Saints visit the Rams on Thursday night on Prime Video:
1) Carr looks to attack vulnerable Rams secondary. Carr is coming off arguably his best game as a Saint and has played solid ball since midseason. He’s rarely had all of his weapons at his disposal this season, but the Saints are starting to put together a more complete group offensively, and, last week, Carr hit tight ends Juwan Johnson and Jimmy Graham for touchdowns, along with wideout Keith Kirkwood for his first TD in five years. Chris Olave, who missed last week, will return from an ankle injury and Rashid Shaheed is back to form, so the Saints should be able to attack all parts of the field. The Rams have only eight interceptions this season, but half of those have come in the past five games. Cornerback Ahkello Witherspoon has been excellent this season, and though he left last week’s game with a groin injury, he has no injury designation. The bigger worry might be at the other outside CB spot. Derion Kendrick was flagged twice late and allowed six catches on seven targets for a career-high 134 yards and a touchdown against Washington last week, struggling in man coverage. The Rams’ pass rush can help alleviate some of that. Aaron Donald has generated at least four pressures in five consecutive games, and rookie Byron Young has been a pleasant surprise heating up on the edges. The Saints have had trouble pass blocking, but if Carr has time, he might have chances to hit some big plays.
2) Stafford heating up, but Saints’ strong secondary awaits. Don’t look now, but Stafford is turning back the clock with a strong season at age 35. Since returning from a thumb injury, he has played his best ball down the stretch, with a 12-1 TD-INT ratio in his past four games. The return of Cooper Kupp has been a big boon, as he’s logged consecutive 100-yard receiving games and has scored in three straight. Puka Nacua hasn’t faded, but he’s taken on more of a complementary role in recent games. Even still, this duo is cooking, and Demarcus Robinson has stepped up as a legitimate No. 3 option in recent weeks. That, plus the return of tight end Tyler Higbee and the breakout of fifth-round pick Davis Allen, and the Rams have myriad options in the passing game. The Saints are a heavy press-man defense, and the secondary by and large has done a good job this season. Corners Paulson Adebo, Alontae Taylor and Isaac Yiadom have held up well in coverage, and Tyrann Mathieu has been a playmaker. The Saints tend to generate more pressure than their 25th-best sack rate (6.56%) would suggest, but Stafford has been great versus pressure in the Rams’ 4-1 streak, with a league-high -0.03 EPA on pressured dropbacks in that span.
3) Alvin Kamara is Saints’ best weapon, but Rams will be ready. Kamara has zero 100-yard rushing or receiving games this season. Yet since his return from a three-game suspension to start the season, Kamara has been a model of consistency for a sometimes offensively starved Saints team, averaging 97.8 yards from scrimmage per game and leading all NFL backs in targets (78) and receptions (68) despite missing three games. He’s had only one game in 2023 with fewer than 70 total yards and hasn’t fumbled all season. The Saints have worked Jamaal Williams into the RB rotation since his return, but Kamara has been the workhorse. The Rams struggled to contain similar playmakers in Christian McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel against the 49ers in Week 2 and had some issues containing D’Andre Swift in Week 5, but by and large they’ve contained dual-threat backs pretty nicely this season. The Rams deploy a lot of five-man fronts, and linebacker Ernest Jones has been good in coverage underneath this season. The Saints also feature another multi-use tool in Taysom Hill, who can run, throw and catch. He was mostly a decoy against the Giants on Sunday but has four double-digit-touch games.
4) Kyren Williams has spurred Rams’ offense, but ball-security questions have arisen. Williams ran for a touchdown and 152 yards on Sunday, coming up seven yards shy of a career high. That raised his league-leading rushing average up to 95.3 yards per game, as Williams has caught fire since October — even while missing four games with a high ankle sprain. But Sunday also was a tough day for Williams early on, as he lost two fumbles in the first half, both deep in Washington territory. Sean McVay showed trust in Williams, who had only one fumble in his first 19 NFL games, by giving him 15 second-half carries. But the Rams can’t afford to cough up scoring opportunities in this key game like they did against the Commanders. This is actually a good matchup for Williams, as the Saints’ run defense has taken it on the chin at times, especially since midseason. The Saints have allowed the fourth-most yards to running backs before contact per carry (2.0) in the NFL this season, and Williams ranks third in the league in yards before contact per carry (2.0). The Saints’ run defenders just aren’t making enough disrupting plays in the backfield, and the Rams quietly have been an able run-blocking operation. McVay knows Williams is a difference maker, and his post-fumble trust in the second-year back suggests the coach viewed Sunday’s first-half errors as aberrations rather than a worrisome trend.
December 21, 2023 at 9:34 am #147715ZooeyModeratorRams lead all-time series 43-35.
I was surprised the margin isn’t wider. The Rams owned the Saints for a couple of decades, winning 14 of the first 17 matchups.
Since 1977, the Saints have the upper hand.
Fun fact: tonight’s game is the only one that matters right now.
December 21, 2023 at 10:20 am #147717nittany ramModeratorRams lead all-time series 43-35. I was surprised the margin isn’t wider. The Rams owned the Saints for a couple of decades, winning 14 of the first 17 matchups. Since 1977, the Saints have the upper hand. Fun fact: tonight’s game is the only one that matters right now.
The Rams used to own a lot of teams.
Then the 90s came…
December 21, 2023 at 10:57 am #147719znModeratorI was surprised the margin isn’t wider. The Rams owned the Saints for a couple of decades, winning 14 of the first 17 matchups. Since 1977, the Saints have the upper hand.
Yeah I remember when the great “king linebackers” Saints with Rickey Jackson were a big division rival of the Robinson Rams.
Then the Haslett Saints were a big division rival of the Martz Rams. Until they re-aligned the divisions in 2002.
December 21, 2023 at 11:04 am #147720InvaderRamModeratorSaints can neither run very well nor stop the run very well.
the rams should run the ball down the saints’ throats. now watch mcvay call 20 consecutive pass plays to start the game.
December 21, 2023 at 1:28 pm #147721wvParticipantI’m gonna go ahead and, Believe.
Rams 31
Saints 17
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December 21, 2023 at 2:37 pm #147722ZooeyModeratorThe best thing for me is the timing of this game.
My wife is not fine with sports happening on holidays and birthdays. Last year, the Rams played on Christmas, and fortunately I avoided conflict because the game mattered about as little as any game could, outside of preseason.
Sunday is Christmas Eve, and Monday, obviously….
Would not have been good domestically for the Rams to play this game on one of those days.
December 21, 2023 at 4:13 pm #147732znModeratorDecember 21, 2023 at 4:18 pm #147734znModeratorDecember 21, 2023 at 5:05 pm #147742JackPMillerParticipantI’ll have to watch the game on NFL.com, with the lines. That’s because I don’t have Amazon Prime.
December 21, 2023 at 6:21 pm #147743ZooeyModeratorI like Chris Simms.
It’s embarrassing to say so, for some reason, but I think he’s a better analyst than he was a football player. He’s just quiet and considerate and thoughtful, and I like listening to what he has to say.
Florio is good, too.
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