round 3, pick 99: safety Kamren Kinchens

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    The Rams are picking Miami safety Kamren Kinchens at No. 99, Dane Brugler’s No. 79 overall prospect. Per Brugler, Kinchens has great spatial/positional understanding especially playing from depth/two high – something the Rams prioritize over more average speed testing.
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    Kamren Kinchens S/DB Miami

    STRENGTHS
    Kamren is your typical tackling heat-seeking missile, throwing his body around to make the big hit. He has excellent athletic talent and instincts to make the big tackle or play on the ball. He shows good hands to make the interception and the speed sideline to sideline, to be used as a single safety. Kamren can be used up close to the line of scrimmage because of his passionate tackling and speed to be used off the ball to blitz. He is quick to make tackles like an outside linebacker on sweeps and screens and can intimidate a player who is prone to fumbling in the open field. Kamren is a natural two-deep zone safety with the ability to be used close to the line of scrimmage as a zone defender in nickel situations. Kamren can be a big play defensive back for the team that selects him.

    CONCERNS
    There are concerns and 1st on the list is medical. Number two on the list is his style of tackling and how that style leads to injuries. He is not a sure tackler, going head first to tackle and looking for the big hit. When he comes from deep to make a tackle it’s impressive but it is also disturbing. I think he has the athletic talent to cover but his mental makeup to make the big play, will not allow him to stay with the receiver down the field long enough without leaving them to make a big play on another receiver. If I’m right, he will be taken advantage of if used as a cover safety unless he can learn that he is not the only player on the field.

    BOTTOM LINE: 2.17
    Kamren’s tackling style is a big concern. Anything else depends on how a team wants to use him in their defense. I don’t think you should expect him to be a great cover safety, and if that’s what you want in a safety then there are others in this draft that might be a better fit. If you want a safety who can be used as a robber or a natural 2 deep zone safety then Kamren should be the first one on your board. He has the talent to impact in that style of defense. I suspect his medicals, tackling style, and possible lack of coverage ability will affect his draft status for most teams unless he proves he does have the cover skills to impact in any style of defense.

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    Best player at a position of need that fits their scheme?

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    CONCERNS There are concerns and 1st on the list is medical. Number two on the list is his style of tackling and how that style leads to injuries. He is not a sure tackler, going head first to tackle and looking for the big hit. When he comes from deep to make a tackle it’s impressive but it is also disturbing. I think he has the athletic talent to cover but his mental makeup to make the big play, will not allow him to stay with the receiver down the field long enough without leaving them to make a big play on another receiver. If I’m right, he will be taken advantage of if used as a cover safety unless he can learn that he is not the only player on the field.

    Well, unless the guy has a IQ of 50, that’s coachable. All of it.

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    OURLADS

    8.97 Kinchens, Kamren |Miami| Miami, FL| Proj. Rd: 1-2.                         Height:5112|Weight:203|40:4.65|Arm:0934|Wingspan:7500

    Junior entry, two-year starter. First team all ACC in 2022 and 2023. He was consensus first-team all America in 2022. Has a solid frame for a safety and while he’s not the tallest his catch radius gets him to a lot of balls.  An instinctive and highly productive safety with remarkable range and ball skills. He’s been a force as a one high safety, but also has experience in two high looks and rolling to the outside box. A smooth mover with fluid Easy transitions he has solid change of directions skill and ability to accelerate out of a break. As a deep zone defender, he normally has eye discipline to see pattern, pressure and the quarterback delivery key. He’s sudden breaking on throws in front of him show sideline to sideline range and the ability to track the ball with flawless angles on deep outside throws. Has excellent hands for the interception with tremendous extension to the ball. He high points the ball and can take it away at the catch point. Has been used successfully to match and mirror inside receivers moving down in the box. Has the speed to stay in phase deep. In run support he triggers quickly against the run and gets downhill with solid angles to the ball. He has excellent range and pursuit and track ball carrier across the field. Show solid, fundamental tackling skill, accelerating and driving through tackles in space. There’s some inconsistency processing root combinations as he can get attracted to an intermediate route instead of balancing or staying deep. As a cover to safety at times doesn’t see and multiple receivers and gets out of position. Needs consistency processing. Has the tools of a solid NFL safety. 2023 stats: 59 T, 2.5 TFL, a lot of things1 sack, 5 PBU, 5 INT (1 TD). OSR: 20/20.

    ME: He is Ourlads 2nd ranked safety.

    Pat Kirwin, commented on his slow 40, but said somehow he is still all over the field.  He called him “a baiter,” in that he entices QB’s into throwing by appearing to be looking elsewhere.said that he studied Ed Reed

     

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    so. we could potentially have kam and kam as our two starting safeties.

     

    kam kam?

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    i really wanted luke mccaffrey. he went on the next pick.

     

    bummer.

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    HEIGHT
    5’ 11’’
    WEIGHT
    203 lbs
    ARM
    31 1/4’’
    HAND
    9 3/4’’
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    By Lance Zierlein
    Overview

    Safety prospect with the toughness, instincts and ball skills to handle NFL work, although his lack of speed could give teams pause. Kinchens is a willing run supporter near the box, hits with message-sending purpose over the middle and plays with outstanding range as a high safety. Despite the positive tape and attributes at his disposal, he made mistakes in run support and coverage that led to big plays and, in some cases, touchdowns. If he can eliminate the mental mistakes and take better angles to the ball as an open-field tackler, he will improve his consistency, but Kinchens’ poor speed testing at the NFL Scouting Combine could limit how teams will want to use him.

    Strengths

    • Scouts praise him for his toughness and intelligence.
    • Instincts and over-the-top range led to 11 takeaways over the last two seasons.
    • Attracts throws with a receiver’s timing and ball skills.
    • Shadows route breaks with adequate transition quickness.
    • Displays enforcer mentality when patrolling the hashes.
    • Capable add-on run defender as a big nickel near the line.
    • Productive tackler on coverage teams.

    Weaknesses

    • Lack of speed displayed at NFL Scouting Combine is a concern.
    • Needs to play with better eye balance between receiver and quarterback.
    • Plays with better anticipation from zone than man.
    • Zone coverage mix-ups led to two scores at North Carolina.
    • Average lateral agility and burst as an open-field tackler.
    • Needs to improve angles to the ball-carrier as a high safety.

    Sources Tell Us

    “He’s quiet but leads by example. He’s a tough guy, like most Miami safeties, and can really see the field when they play him in center field.” – AFC regional scout
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    from https://theathletic.com/5399690/2024/04/10/nfl-draft-2024-the-beast-dane-brugler/

    A three-year starter at Miami, Kinchens was a field/post safety in defensive coordinator Lance Guidry’s scheme (played more of a nickel role in 2022). A highly productive player, he led the ACC in interceptions as both a sophomore and junior. He also was the only player in college football with double-digit combined interceptions over the last two seasons (and the first Miami player to reach at least 10 career interceptions since Sean Taylor). Although he lacks explosive speed and his risk-taking tendencies are worrisome, Kinchens anticipates well from depth and has the range to play over the top and properly track the football. He can rotate down as the robber and be a factor in the run game, too. Overall, Kinchens doesn’t have top-tier athletic traits, but he has a well-balanced skill set with the playmaking awareness and ball skills to compete for a starting role in the NFL. He projects best as a split-field safety with range in the post who can drive topdown in two-deep shells.

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    from https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-grades-all-32-teams#LAR

    Kinchens — Kinchens’ 11 interceptions since 2022 are the most at the position. Kinchens is a well-rounded athlete with good awareness and instincts at the safety position. While he’s on the lighter and smaller side, Kinchens’ ball skills enable him to profile well to a deep free safety role in the NFL. His 90.0 grade in 2022 ranked fifth in all of college football.

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    i mean if he really is a future pro bowler then that could be quite the secondary. not necessarily the best but very capable. especially if white can find his previous form.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Miami safety Kamren Kinchens is Dane Brugler’s No. 79 overall prospect. Per Brugler, Kinchens has great spatial/positional understanding especially playing from depth/two high – something the Rams prioritize over more average speed testing.
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    from Louis Riddick’s favorite prospects, sleepers: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39935091/2024-nfl-draft-louis-riddick-favorite-prospects-class-sleeper-daniels-nabers-wiggins

    Kamren Kinchens, S, Miami

    Winning the turnover battle is the No. 1 priority for every defensive coordinator in the NFL, and Kinchens will help you do just that. No safety in this class has better instincts and anticipation as a deep-field player, whether that be as a single safety in the middle of the field or in a split-safety structure. He is consistently a step ahead of the quarterback with his understanding of route concepts and ability to read the passer’s eyes and shoulder leans. But Kinchens also shows the efficient transition mechanics and closing burst to get into position to make game-changing plays; he came down with 11 interceptions over 2022-23.

    And on top of the ball skills, the 5-foot-11, 203-pound safety can make the difficult open-field tackles in one-on-one situations (54 last season) and has shown disruptive blitz ability (26 pressures). His 4.65-second 40 time at the combine wasn’t ideal, but I’m not too concerned based on what I see on tape. Kinchens has the potential to be a star.

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